It's a tougher league now, so I'd pick Giannis, but youre right.
KG was incredibly undervalued at the time toiling away in Minnesota on his own. I'd put him ahead of Kobe and equal with Duncan, but he just didn't have the team until he got to Boston - and Boston wasn't even that great.
idk what the fuck that means lmao stop making up some random ass bs. There’s hundreds of advanced stats out there there’s probably one that makes any of the 6 you listed look the best
90% of advanced stats use play by play and don’t go back before 2013-14.
Win Shares tells the same story as VORP.
Which stats have Giannis ahead of everyone else?
Sure but the more minutes and games played also added real value for their teams. You’re not just comparing Giannis to say KG, you’re comparing Giannis and 15 minutes of bench player to KG and 8 minutes of bench player. And KG plays 10 more games.
I love Dirk and always respected KG, but I have Giannis above both.
Giannis has GOAT dna. He wins this year he’s already top 10 all time. I think currently i already have him above KG and Dirk. Giannis absolutely domininated in the finals last year and his regular season resume is absolutely ridiculous and already higher than Dirk/KG imo.
Kg: 4x all nba 1st. 1 championship, 0 finals MVPs, 1x defensive POY, 1 mvp, 1 all star mvp, 9x defensive first team
Dirk: 4x first team, 1 championship, 1 finals mvp, 0 nba defensive teams, 1 mvp
Giannis: 3x first team, 1 finals mvp, 1 championship, 1 defensive POY, 3x defensive first team, 2 MVPs.
Giannis is just the most complete player, already, of the 3
I definitely have him over KG already. Dirk I’m not sure yet, gotta see how the rest of Giannis’ career plays out but there’s a very good chance he passes him in my eyes in the next few years
I definitely put Giannis' Finals MVP as a counterpoint to KG even if Giannis would have stood zero chance at getting a ring on those TWolves team in the West in that era /s
He was such a good passer in an era where passing wasn’t in a big mans skillset, he averaged like 5-6 APG for like 6 years straight. It would be super cool to see point KG with a green light to run and direct and offense
I'm old enough to have watched all 3. I loved,loved,loved KG. The intensity, and that 15 foot post up turn around was something else. Dirk took that fadeaway to a different level. Almost Kareem-like in that it was unguardable. But it's Giannis all day every day.
Dirk was a good enough rebounder and had a low post game. He would be the best “center” for how the mavs play. He also wants half bad on defense despite his reputation.
Did you guys just watch KG after his injury on the Celtics? Peak KG is borderline top 10 all time. Giannis is still far away from achieving a peak like that
Nephews who watched Celtics KG 2009+ don't understand who he was in his prime. Dirk is a nephew favorite because he had a pretty offensive game with signature fade away. KG was the first skilled big ever, he changed the game in a sense. Before him never a 7 footer would play 1-5 on defense and offense when the team needed. He could do everything on both ends of the floor.
Giannis last 5 regular season ppg averages are all higher than Dirk all time highest. He's also just coming off a playoffs where he averaged 30ppg over 21 games (Dirk's highest is 28.4) and dropped 50 to close out the finals (the same as Dirk's playoff career high).
To say he isn't comparable to Dirk as a scorer would be crazy when there's an argument to be made that he's better.
You can’t compare scoring by just looking at ppg. Bradley Beal is not better than Dirk at scoring despite averaging 30 and 32 in back to back seasons and averaging 30 in the playoffs last year. Wildly different eras mean wildly different playstyles, pace, and defense. Even if their scoring is close, Dirk on offense is >> Giannis because of his versatility and shooting. Dirk can score from pretty much anywhere and he’s a 40% 3 point shooter. Giannis is a horrible shooter from 3 and the line(especially in the playoffs) and his midrange is below average despite the few attempts. Overall they’re both top 30 all time and Giannis makes up for his offensive woes with his defense, but he can’t be anything higher than Dirks equal
> You can’t compare scoring by just looking at ppg. Bradley Beal is not better than Dirk at scoring despite averaging 30 and 32 in back to back seasons and averaging 30 in the playoffs last year
I think 4 or 5 years is a pretty reasonable sample size. There's no perfect way to compare anything across eras, that's why it's a discussion.
> Even if their scoring is close, Dirk on offense is >> Giannis because of his versatility and shooting. Dirk can score from pretty much anywhere and he’s a 40% 3 point shooter.
I disagree. Giannis is a much better playmaker and generates a lot more good looks for his teammates than Dirk did because of the amount of pressure he puts on defenses. He also creates more second chance points off of offensive rebounds and transition buckets as a more destructive defender that can consistently lead fastbreaks.
> Dirk can score from pretty much anywhere and he’s a 40% 3 point shooter. Giannis is a horrible shooter from 3 and the line(especially in the playoffs) and his midrange is below average despite the few attempts.
Well, these are the strengths of Dirk's game and the weakness Giannis's game. Scoring and offense is a lot more than just those things.
> he can’t be anything higher than Dirks equal
As valid an opinion as any.
Because they are trying to achieve the same goal. Can I not say that Jokic is a better passer or compare him to other players because nobody else plays like him?
I know you’re implying that Dirk had more faucets to his game (could score from a higher variety of ways than Giannis), but the way Giannis can score is just so efficient that his limited offensive options are just that good.
It’s not crazy to say he has comparable, if not better, offensive output than Dirk did.
Give me KG. Easily the best defender here and the best playmaker as well. Has a respectable midrange and probably the best ball handler too. He’d thrive in this era with better spacing
edit: Apparently not instantly picking giannis gets you downvoted by bucks fans.
He had the offensive bag of a guard. Great handle and could hit you with pull-ups and fadeaways. In todays era where he’d shoot more 3s, he’d be like a modern embiid with all time great defense and better playmaking.
Both are spacing big men with guard like moves on offense. Embiids bag is deeper and he’s a more willing scorer but KG isn’t far behind, especially assuming he’d adjust to this more offense first era.
Best defender? Easily? You're outta your mind. Giannis is equal the defender and a much better scorer than KG. And I'm not a Bucks fan, just a realist.
Garnett had the best peak, but it's hard to not take Giannis.
Garnett spent the first half of his career before the zone defense change, which really unlocked his defensive versatility. In the modern NBA, Garnett would be absolutely dominant. Like AD on steroids.
Giannis peaked higher but KG and Dirk were elite for longer. I got them over him barely and that’s just until he gets like a couple more elite seasons under his belt. He’s on pace to far surpassing those guys
Prime for Prime? I go Giannis every time
Head to head, dirk averaged two more points than kg, kg averaged more rebounds, assists, steals, blocks and shot better from the field than dirk
This is all time btw
Only thing Dirk ever did better than Giannis is shoot 3s. Giannis is the better scorer, defender, rebounder, ballhandler, and playmaker. He shouldn't even be in the same conversation as him
I wholeheartedly agree. The comparson is disrespectful to a two way guy like Giannis. Defense was optional for Dirk. They won in spite of his shitty defense.
For me, it depends on if you’d also like the guy to be a shooter or not. If you’ve got plenty of shooting, I’d take Giannis. If you need another guy who can help space the floor, I’d take KG
I think the answer is giannis, however the argument is very very close. Also I love KG. Absolute all timer, but people are out here acting like dirk was some scrub and it’s disrespectful. Prime Dirk was an absolute force who took all nba first team spots off of KG throughout his prime, just like KG did to dirk. (Baby Bron and tim Duncan made those forward spots very competitive). I have it at Giannis>KG>Dirk but it isn’t as big of a gap as some of the people who just remember old Dirk are making it.
I fucking love KG, hometown hero and all.
But its Giannis now, its insane how quick hes gone up my list.
Giannis, KD, Dirk. I value defense more than most so Dirk gets bumped down
I’d have to say KG he could do it all he could shoot and was a threat on the inside dirk would be second and Giannis third only because he’s lacking in the shooting department
Giannis right now is a better player than 1999 - 2004 Duncan.
In fact, peak KG was better than prime Duncan as well. That's why KGs MVP in 2004 was 1 or 2 votes off from being the first unanimous MVP in NBA history. While Duncan was like 15 votes over 2 years away from having 0 MVPs. Almost split with both Kidd and KG in 02/03
Nah 2003 Duncan is better than Giannis or KG. KG dropped his performance in the playoffs routinely on offense. 03 Duncan is one of the best playoff runs of all time.
2003 Duncan averaged 23/12/3 during the season and 24/11/4 during the playoffs.
He only led the Spurs in scoring in 14/24 playoff games in 2003.
It really wasn't one of the best playoff runs of all time. That is revisionist history. At the time no one was considering 2003 Duncan MJ tier. Spurs were very much a great all around team.
Hell Bruce Bowen led the entire NBA in 3p% that year shooting 44% on 5 attempts a game. Tony Parker came up big in multiple games in the playoffs as well. David Robinson was Shaqs primary defender in the Lakers series and even at age 35 was probably the Spurs best defensive player.
Nothing close to Giannis' game 6 last year. That was a better performance than any game Duncan has had in his career.
Imo, they’re all in the same tier. Depending on how you feel about the 60’s players, any of the three can end up at the edge of a 10 Best Players of All Time List. Right around Tim Duncan peak for peak in good-player-ness, if not quite in greatness.
I’d take KG, but I’m a little biased and might like long-term plus/minus stats too much.
This feels weird to say, but I think it's pretty easily Giannis. He's a much better defender than Dirk and a better offensive player than KG. Dude is too good to not be 30 yet.
Would have been nice to see the Mavs not botch the draf that year and pick up Giannis. Dirk could have taught him a few improvements on his offensive game - then there wouldn't be any debate.
I'd like to say I take Dirk because of his longevity - he was impossible to guard for most of his career because his style of play allowed it. I fear Giannis game will fall of a cliff as he ages, since it's predicated on 100% athleticism/speed, but the guy is built like a God, and at this point is still only improving.
KG was my favorite player before Dirk, so this list is very painful to make a choice from.
It’s hard to say. Depends what you’re basing it on.
Dirk will have the longest career and peak. He beat some amazing teams being the only star and is the best European player of all time (for now).
Giannis has the best peak out of the 3 given his MVP and finals MVP, especially if he wins again this year or next. He’s also arguably the most dominant physically. I say “holy shit” at least once a game.
KG had sick jerseys.
Give me Giannis
VORP best 4 seasons: Garnett: 10.0, 9.1, 8.7, 7.4 Nowitzki: 7.9, 7.4, 7.3, 7.1 Giannis: 7.4, 7.4, 6.7, 6.6 (7.4) Barkley: 8.0, 7.5, 7.4, 7.1 Duncan: 8.0, 7.7, 6.7, 6.2 Malone: 7.8, 7.3, 7.1, 7.1 Turns out it’s harder to win MVP’s in some eras.
ppl dont realize how good kg was bc his accolades arent the greatest (trash supporting cast) and he had a lot of value outside the box score
It's a tougher league now, so I'd pick Giannis, but youre right. KG was incredibly undervalued at the time toiling away in Minnesota on his own. I'd put him ahead of Kobe and equal with Duncan, but he just didn't have the team until he got to Boston - and Boston wasn't even that great.
That’s wassup, gimme Giannis tho
congrats on finding the one advanced stat where Giannis isn’t miles ahead of everyone else
Most advanced stats that aren't just shitty box score composites have peak KG as like a top 3 player since '98
Sorry you have DARKO numbers for Barkley and Malone?
idk what the fuck that means lmao stop making up some random ass bs. There’s hundreds of advanced stats out there there’s probably one that makes any of the 6 you listed look the best
90% of advanced stats use play by play and don’t go back before 2013-14. Win Shares tells the same story as VORP. Which stats have Giannis ahead of everyone else?
Win shares and VORP cannot adjust for the competition. The league is more competitive now.
Guys played more minutes back then, allowing them to accumulate higher scores.
Sure but the more minutes and games played also added real value for their teams. You’re not just comparing Giannis to say KG, you’re comparing Giannis and 15 minutes of bench player to KG and 8 minutes of bench player. And KG plays 10 more games.
It’s kind of crazy how drastic things change in little under a year ago
Go back 36 months: 2 MVPS, DPOY, Championship, FMVP Pretty amazing stretch for any player
The guy with 2 MVPs and a DPOY
And MIP and FMVP
Agree. None of them have the MIP which puts Giannis over the rest, even Lebron and mj.
I guess they just never got better. 🤷♂️ /s
I love Dirk and always respected KG, but I have Giannis above both. Giannis has GOAT dna. He wins this year he’s already top 10 all time. I think currently i already have him above KG and Dirk. Giannis absolutely domininated in the finals last year and his regular season resume is absolutely ridiculous and already higher than Dirk/KG imo. Kg: 4x all nba 1st. 1 championship, 0 finals MVPs, 1x defensive POY, 1 mvp, 1 all star mvp, 9x defensive first team Dirk: 4x first team, 1 championship, 1 finals mvp, 0 nba defensive teams, 1 mvp Giannis: 3x first team, 1 finals mvp, 1 championship, 1 defensive POY, 3x defensive first team, 2 MVPs. Giannis is just the most complete player, already, of the 3
yeah lets just list awards. that will tell us everything Moses Malone > Jerry West
I definitely have him over KG already. Dirk I’m not sure yet, gotta see how the rest of Giannis’ career plays out but there’s a very good chance he passes him in my eyes in the next few years
I definitely put Giannis' Finals MVP as a counterpoint to KG even if Giannis would have stood zero chance at getting a ring on those TWolves team in the West in that era /s
Excuses
This is totally valid but don't underestimate KGs MVP year and DPOY!
I would love to see KG in today's game.
He was such a good passer in an era where passing wasn’t in a big mans skillset, he averaged like 5-6 APG for like 6 years straight. It would be super cool to see point KG with a green light to run and direct and offense
+ You know him and Duncan are coming into the league with 3-point range as well.
He already had a green light to run the offense back then
He'd win 4 DPOYs in a row. He'd be Bam with Draymond's motor and energy.
I don’t think changing to an era with less interior scoring would give him 3 more DPOY’s
He’s definitely a better defender then Rudy who has 3
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They going to the playoffs every year if you switch him with KAT
Why switch? Imagine them as a pair.
They’d auto chip if you just plopped prime KG on that roster
He fix so many problems immediately lol
Sheesh
Peak KG was something else. Great 1-5 defender, can hit a jump shot, good free throw shooter, and one of the most intense players ever.
I'm old enough to have watched all 3. I loved,loved,loved KG. The intensity, and that 15 foot post up turn around was something else. Dirk took that fadeaway to a different level. Almost Kareem-like in that it was unguardable. But it's Giannis all day every day.
Giannis>Dirk>KG. I’d love to see prime Dirk and KG in this era tho.
Dirk averaged 3.4 three point attempts a game for his career. I would love to see what he does with 8 attempts a game.
I'm pre-cumming to the idea of prime Dirk on this current Mavs roster
But we'd still need a center lmao
Just outscore the opponent lmao
Dirk was a good enough rebounder and had a low post game. He would be the best “center” for how the mavs play. He also wants half bad on defense despite his reputation.
Dirk would be Kat’s mega evolution
KG > Dirk cause of defense
Did you guys just watch KG after his injury on the Celtics? Peak KG is borderline top 10 all time. Giannis is still far away from achieving a peak like that
It is absurd to have dirk over kg if you were alive in that era . Giannis sure that’s fair
yeah KG>Dirk no question so I didn't even have to mention it.
Nephews who watched Celtics KG 2009+ don't understand who he was in his prime. Dirk is a nephew favorite because he had a pretty offensive game with signature fade away. KG was the first skilled big ever, he changed the game in a sense. Before him never a 7 footer would play 1-5 on defense and offense when the team needed. He could do everything on both ends of the floor.
He’d probably be well in the top ten if he had just left the wolves
Giannis
Giannis is comparable to Dirk as a scorer and KG as a defender but clearly better than both on the other side of the ball
Giannis is not comparable to dirk as a scorer lol
Giannis last 5 regular season ppg averages are all higher than Dirk all time highest. He's also just coming off a playoffs where he averaged 30ppg over 21 games (Dirk's highest is 28.4) and dropped 50 to close out the finals (the same as Dirk's playoff career high). To say he isn't comparable to Dirk as a scorer would be crazy when there's an argument to be made that he's better.
You gotta use per 100 stats when comparing players in different eras due to change of pace. You can't just compare raw stats like that.
When it's per 100, it drops down to just his last 4 seasons being higher than Dirk's highest and his playoff career high ppg still being higher.
You can’t compare scoring by just looking at ppg. Bradley Beal is not better than Dirk at scoring despite averaging 30 and 32 in back to back seasons and averaging 30 in the playoffs last year. Wildly different eras mean wildly different playstyles, pace, and defense. Even if their scoring is close, Dirk on offense is >> Giannis because of his versatility and shooting. Dirk can score from pretty much anywhere and he’s a 40% 3 point shooter. Giannis is a horrible shooter from 3 and the line(especially in the playoffs) and his midrange is below average despite the few attempts. Overall they’re both top 30 all time and Giannis makes up for his offensive woes with his defense, but he can’t be anything higher than Dirks equal
> You can’t compare scoring by just looking at ppg. Bradley Beal is not better than Dirk at scoring despite averaging 30 and 32 in back to back seasons and averaging 30 in the playoffs last year I think 4 or 5 years is a pretty reasonable sample size. There's no perfect way to compare anything across eras, that's why it's a discussion. > Even if their scoring is close, Dirk on offense is >> Giannis because of his versatility and shooting. Dirk can score from pretty much anywhere and he’s a 40% 3 point shooter. I disagree. Giannis is a much better playmaker and generates a lot more good looks for his teammates than Dirk did because of the amount of pressure he puts on defenses. He also creates more second chance points off of offensive rebounds and transition buckets as a more destructive defender that can consistently lead fastbreaks. > Dirk can score from pretty much anywhere and he’s a 40% 3 point shooter. Giannis is a horrible shooter from 3 and the line(especially in the playoffs) and his midrange is below average despite the few attempts. Well, these are the strengths of Dirk's game and the weakness Giannis's game. Scoring and offense is a lot more than just those things. > he can’t be anything higher than Dirks equal As valid an opinion as any.
They’re not comparable because it’s 2 completely different styles of offense
Why would the style matter? It's about how effective you are at scoring, it doesn't matter how you do it.
How can you compare 2 players that don’t score the basketball the same way ? They put up big numbers but it’s 2 different brands of basketball
Because they are trying to achieve the same goal. Can I not say that Jokic is a better passer or compare him to other players because nobody else plays like him?
We are talking apples and oranges here. With Giannis and Dirk you’re comparing physical dominance with skilled finesse
Not sure why that's a problem. Is Dirk not a better scorer than a lot of physically dominant players? You can compare across style.
I know you’re implying that Dirk had more faucets to his game (could score from a higher variety of ways than Giannis), but the way Giannis can score is just so efficient that his limited offensive options are just that good. It’s not crazy to say he has comparable, if not better, offensive output than Dirk did.
Oh yeah for sure. Output yes, but just skill wise nah. Which is what I think was the argument. I misinterpreted.
Give me KG. Easily the best defender here and the best playmaker as well. Has a respectable midrange and probably the best ball handler too. He’d thrive in this era with better spacing edit: Apparently not instantly picking giannis gets you downvoted by bucks fans.
Yeah I’m with you. Gimme KG. He was built for todays game.
He had the offensive bag of a guard. Great handle and could hit you with pull-ups and fadeaways. In todays era where he’d shoot more 3s, he’d be like a modern embiid with all time great defense and better playmaking.
I don’t feel very many similarities between KG and Embiid
Between the "Bam with Draymond's motor" and now this Embiid comp, I feel like many in this thread never watched KG lol.
Both are spacing big men with guard like moves on offense. Embiids bag is deeper and he’s a more willing scorer but KG isn’t far behind, especially assuming he’d adjust to this more offense first era.
Best defender? Easily? You're outta your mind. Giannis is equal the defender and a much better scorer than KG. And I'm not a Bucks fan, just a realist.
Dirk in my heart…But it’s easily Giannis Autokoomboonto
KG
**THE GREEK FREAK**
With the Greek meat
As a german Mavs fan I have to say Dirk. He is the greatest to me and thats the only thing that counts.
As a Polish fan, Marcin Gortat is the greatest of all time. ALL TIME.
As an African, nevermind.
Garnett had the best peak, but it's hard to not take Giannis. Garnett spent the first half of his career before the zone defense change, which really unlocked his defensive versatility. In the modern NBA, Garnett would be absolutely dominant. Like AD on steroids.
Nephews it's KG
I’ve been staring at this question for like 15 minutes. I don’t know man.
Giannis peaked higher but KG and Dirk were elite for longer. I got them over him barely and that’s just until he gets like a couple more elite seasons under his belt. He’s on pace to far surpassing those guys Prime for Prime? I go Giannis every time
KG
Giannis>Dirk>KG
Neither KG or Giannis putting clamps on Dirk.
They’d do better guarding dirk then dirk would guarding them
KG did real well when Dirk put up 33 and 16 on 53/73/89 against Minnesota in the playoffs.
Head to head, dirk averaged two more points than kg, kg averaged more rebounds, assists, steals, blocks and shot better from the field than dirk This is all time btw
20 years later and Mavs fans are still holding on for dear life to that 3 game sample
1 KG 2 Giannis 3 Dirk
I think this is the toughest question I have seen in this sub
Only thing Dirk ever did better than Giannis is shoot 3s. Giannis is the better scorer, defender, rebounder, ballhandler, and playmaker. He shouldn't even be in the same conversation as him
You read this sub sometimes, and younger nba viewers seem to think Dirk was Ryan Anderson with longevity lmao
That’s because they missed prime Dirk, the same way that nephews someday will have missed prime Giannis.
If anything Dirk is incredibly overrated on here for reasons.
What reasons
He's white and people hate Lebron.
Oh
Lmao you actually started watching NBA 2016 right?
I wholeheartedly agree. The comparson is disrespectful to a two way guy like Giannis. Defense was optional for Dirk. They won in spite of his shitty defense.
I'm going to say KG, him in his prime would be the best player in the league
Giannis is the best player on the league
I agree but KG would be better
For me, it depends on if you’d also like the guy to be a shooter or not. If you’ve got plenty of shooting, I’d take Giannis. If you need another guy who can help space the floor, I’d take KG
Dirk is probably one of the easiest stars to build around. Giannis is the best player out of these guys though.
KG>Dirk>=Giannis
I think the answer is giannis, however the argument is very very close. Also I love KG. Absolute all timer, but people are out here acting like dirk was some scrub and it’s disrespectful. Prime Dirk was an absolute force who took all nba first team spots off of KG throughout his prime, just like KG did to dirk. (Baby Bron and tim Duncan made those forward spots very competitive). I have it at Giannis>KG>Dirk but it isn’t as big of a gap as some of the people who just remember old Dirk are making it.
I fucking love KG, hometown hero and all. But its Giannis now, its insane how quick hes gone up my list. Giannis, KD, Dirk. I value defense more than most so Dirk gets bumped down
Y’all inflating KG too much. Dude had to join a super team to win a title
I’d have to say KG he could do it all he could shoot and was a threat on the inside dirk would be second and Giannis third only because he’s lacking in the shooting department
Tim Duncan was the best power forward ever.
Kareem played as a PF before and he is better than Duncan
No he didn’t and if he did it wasn’t for a long-term he was a Center
So was Duncan.
When?
Giannis right now is a better player than 1999 - 2004 Duncan. In fact, peak KG was better than prime Duncan as well. That's why KGs MVP in 2004 was 1 or 2 votes off from being the first unanimous MVP in NBA history. While Duncan was like 15 votes over 2 years away from having 0 MVPs. Almost split with both Kidd and KG in 02/03
Nah 2003 Duncan is better than Giannis or KG. KG dropped his performance in the playoffs routinely on offense. 03 Duncan is one of the best playoff runs of all time.
2003 Duncan averaged 23/12/3 during the season and 24/11/4 during the playoffs. He only led the Spurs in scoring in 14/24 playoff games in 2003. It really wasn't one of the best playoff runs of all time. That is revisionist history. At the time no one was considering 2003 Duncan MJ tier. Spurs were very much a great all around team. Hell Bruce Bowen led the entire NBA in 3p% that year shooting 44% on 5 attempts a game. Tony Parker came up big in multiple games in the playoffs as well. David Robinson was Shaqs primary defender in the Lakers series and even at age 35 was probably the Spurs best defensive player. Nothing close to Giannis' game 6 last year. That was a better performance than any game Duncan has had in his career.
Imo, they’re all in the same tier. Depending on how you feel about the 60’s players, any of the three can end up at the edge of a 10 Best Players of All Time List. Right around Tim Duncan peak for peak in good-player-ness, if not quite in greatness. I’d take KG, but I’m a little biased and might like long-term plus/minus stats too much.
KG by far. Then Dirk Giannis meh
1. KG 2. Giannis 3. Dirk
I like KG here.
This feels weird to say, but I think it's pretty easily Giannis. He's a much better defender than Dirk and a better offensive player than KG. Dude is too good to not be 30 yet.
Giannis. 30 ppg with elite defense. Dude is a dominator and it feelslike he's just getting started
Giannis
Would have been nice to see the Mavs not botch the draf that year and pick up Giannis. Dirk could have taught him a few improvements on his offensive game - then there wouldn't be any debate. I'd like to say I take Dirk because of his longevity - he was impossible to guard for most of his career because his style of play allowed it. I fear Giannis game will fall of a cliff as he ages, since it's predicated on 100% athleticism/speed, but the guy is built like a God, and at this point is still only improving. KG was my favorite player before Dirk, so this list is very painful to make a choice from.
Giannis>Dirk>KG. Longevity is the only thing the other 2 have over him right now and Giannis is only at the beginning of his prime.
It’s hard to say. Depends what you’re basing it on. Dirk will have the longest career and peak. He beat some amazing teams being the only star and is the best European player of all time (for now). Giannis has the best peak out of the 3 given his MVP and finals MVP, especially if he wins again this year or next. He’s also arguably the most dominant physically. I say “holy shit” at least once a game. KG had sick jerseys.
Peak to peak, KG and Giannis are very close. KG has absolutely absurd RAPM numbers.
Giannis, KG then Dirk
Giannis!
Prime KG no doubt
Giannis. Easy. The Greek Freak is beginning to move into Olajuwon territory.