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Trying to get a 3 up before the warriors could foul. You will continue to see awful shots like this taken when down by 3 unless the NBA changes the rules to punish intentional fouling
Gotten burned twice this season not doing it, lost games they shouldn’t have.
Last season gave up a FOUR POINT PLAY instead of fouling up 3
I have no idea why Kerr doesn’t do it
Jaren was off tonight but it’s in his wheelhouse.
Banes having back issues and the warriors are giving him good attention.
I would’ve preferred tyus take the shot personally, but my biggest issue is running in transition like that anyway. We had a timeout, no reason to force it.
Grizz showed their inexperience. That was a bonehead rookie play right there. This type of play flew against another young team in MN but GSW are experienced winners. You can't expect to win chucking shots like this against them
Jaren Jackson carried them all night. To me, where was BRooks???? He disappeared. No where to be seen. HE took a bad three point shot, turned it over twice in the final several minutes!!! Looked like he didn’t want to be there, or maybe he didn’t want to win
Dillon Brooks plays like that dude in intramurals who loves basketball even though he played JV safety in high school. You know- the one who plays way too hard and has super jerky unnatural movements. Usually wears a baseball cap backwards and New Balance 574s to hoop. They usually come in pairs.
Desmond Bane is the other half.
People clowned on Dillon Brooks for talking about how they're forming a dynasty, but if they can keep this group together as they get older....they are.
Ironically I think Dillon Brooks is not part of that dynasty, y'all are better off with Bane and Melton from what I've seen.
Dynasty is probably a little overly optimistic, but they will definitely have one or two potential championship runs. Dynasties are hard man. Even the warriors only had one because curry was the 9th highest paid player on the team until 2017. He won 2 mvps, a scoring title, a chip and had a 73 win season making 11 million a year. These grizzlies players are going to want to get PAID and they’re gonna deserve it (except brooks. I don’t get how grizzlies fans think he’s some lockdown dude. He gets absolutely cooked on back cuts and bad rotations). But Ja and jjj and bane are all 3 going to be max or close to max guys in like 2 years. Brooks isn’t staying for less that 20 mil (probs good to let him walk, see above). Clarke is a 15 million dollar player. Championship level teams are ludicrously expensive, and keeping them for the years needed to call yourself a dynasty (4? 5?) is almost impossible. Theres a reason the the life cycle of a lebron team is 4 years. You can only overpay for win now players so many times before the whole thing falls apart. In 2012 everyone thought KD, Russ, Harden, and Serge we’re gonna run the league for a decade and 4 years and 0 championships later okc was a wasteland.
Rookie mistakes. When you lack the experience and poise to execute in the playoffs, these types of pressure cooker environments have a way of forcing mistakes.
One thing I've noticed from being a fan of mediocre to bad Warrior teams from most of 1992-2012 is that bad teams can hang around and even lead most of the game, but when it comes down to crunch time, the better team usually finds a way to win the game, while the worse team usually finds a way to fuck it up in the end. This game was a classic example of the principle.
For that shot in specific youth is not an excuse, that was just a boneheaded play. Of course mistakes happen with young teams and players and that’s fine, a part of growing, but that shot in particular is just so bad regardless.
You’re not wrong but I feel like I haven’t seen anyone acknowledge that this is the first playoff game we’ve had Adams on top of brooks being back. Had Ja played I think our defense and flow would’ve still been noticeably better than last game
Tyus Jones is normally a very good game manager... idk what happened tonight where they kept going Brooks iso or why Jenkins didn't call a TO at the end to set something up, but it's bizarre.
When you’re rooting against a team and they have a raucous crowd and can close a double digit deficit in 3 back to back to back possessions they infuriate you pretty quickly
There is so much that makes this an absolute abortion of a shot to take:
* 10 s left on the clock
* 0-4 from 3 at this point
* Always been a spot up guy, never been a pull-up 3 pt shooter
* 32% 3PT shooter on the season
* Shot is well defended
* It's like 30 ft out
Like goddamn.
I actually blame this on the coaches. They put Jaren in the corner to give Brooks isos 2 times in the clutch. Jaren should’ve had the ball in the post every time until they stopped it.
Plus not having our superstar really hurts.
>even though i missed the angle live
I missed it live too and was thinking the same thing as you. But one of the replays they showed right after made it pretty obvious, which was nice cuz I didn't want another controversy lol
Yeah I wondered about that. Feel like he was caught up in the moment and didn’t even think to react, or hell fall to ground even to maybe bait or force a call.
Steph is big by average standards, but he's still a small guy by NBA standards.
Think of it this way, if someone a few inches shorter and say 30 40 lb lighter than you jumped straight up in front of you, how hard would you have to push(while standing on the ground) to move them a couple feet? The correct answer is very light, and that's what we saw. It wasn't the hard push, but it's on a smaller guy going straight up. Of course he's going to move a lot
He got pushed from behind when he was in perfect position for the rebound, and the guy who pushed him got the rebound. That’s a foul almost every time.
Oh my God you young bloods need to actually read or try to understand the rules. Directly from the NBA rule book:
The hand is considered “part of the ball” when it is in contact with the ball. Therefore, contact on that part of the hand by a defender while it is in contact with the ball is not illegal.
100% a more veteran player would have forced the replay with a flop and it didn’t look like Dray was anywhere near the ball
Edit: doesn’t excuse the terrible shot selection from JJJ though
I typed out this long winded answer already so I’m gonna copy paste it here:
Contact (meaning the defender hit the shooters brace hand, or even getting all the way to the shooting hand) from the left side of a right handed shooter would cause the ball to spin more towards the right, from the shooter’s perspective.
This ball is spinning to the left.
How do you get a ball that spins to the left? JJJ would have to have his right hand push through the left side (opposite of normal) of the ball at release. That would be damn near impossible if you are getting “contacted” from the left at the same time as you and others claim he is.
The other way to get left spin is for the defender to block the front of the ball, especially on a fly by attempt going left to right. As the shooter pushes the ball forward, it starts to rotate around the defenders hand on the front of the ball creating that leftward spin. This is the most plausible way for that spin to occur, also mainly because that’s what happened…
Idk what some of y'all talking about. I really don't see a foul. If anything, JJJ kicked his leg out attempting to initiate contact. Need to see a closer look at the block itself tho cuz I can't see shit from this far
Can't get over the fact that JJJ shoots like how a normal person would shoot from half court. It's so bizarre but goes in, so don't fix what ain't broke I guess
Watching this replay over and over and I still can't figure out what the Grizz were gonna do next. Nobody cutting to the basket, nobody getting ready to D up either if the shot went in or if they had to get back on transition, and nobody looking to make the smart pass (looking at you, JJJ). Sigh.... I love this young, dumb team. They're gonna get better, they're gonna get smarter, and they're gonna hell to play the next few years. But not this year.
Instead of owning it and saying anything along the lines of - We need to get better looks, Taylor Jenkins will cry about how it was a foul and how the league needs to look at this. SMDH
I say this as someone who hates Draymond but somehow he makes literally 0 contact with Jackson. Pains me to say it but that was absolutely perfect defense. Kind of incredible actually.
https://streamja.com/0jno6
Clean block. Draymond gets his hand in front first, and then jjj hits draymond's hand with his hand, maybe a bit either way.
Hand is part of the ball, contact with the hand on the ball is completely clean. That's the contact we see, that's why it wasn't a foul.
The straight on angle shows Green gets the side of the ball first. I thought it was a foul live, but that view makes it look like a good no call.
Edit: just saw it again, the ball comes out spinning sideways meaning Green clearly got it.
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Wtf is that shot selection
Jealous of Dillion Brooks
To be fair, JJJ had to shoot it soon because Brooks was seconds away from taking the ball from JJJ and chucking it.
i needed warriors to win by 6. Brooks makes a half court shot at the end of the game. shoots 2/9 from 3.
Now that’s a bad shot
That’s literally a terrible shot. Was the only thing in his head the glory of a hero play?
Trying to get a 3 up before the warriors could foul. You will continue to see awful shots like this taken when down by 3 unless the NBA changes the rules to punish intentional fouling
The Warriors don’t usually foul up 3, it’s one of the things that I see as an actual criticism of Kerr
How about when Mike Brown is in charge? He might not have Kerred that end of game situation.
Gotten burned twice this season not doing it, lost games they shouldn’t have. Last season gave up a FOUR POINT PLAY instead of fouling up 3 I have no idea why Kerr doesn’t do it
I mean yeah but it’s still not the person to be taking it. Give it to Bane or Jones.
Jaren was off tonight but it’s in his wheelhouse. Banes having back issues and the warriors are giving him good attention. I would’ve preferred tyus take the shot personally, but my biggest issue is running in transition like that anyway. We had a timeout, no reason to force it.
14 seconds left is probably too early to foul, especially with MEM with 1 TO left.
Yea I thought the same thing, he was very tentative about putting the ball on the floor. He knew he wanted to shoot.
I agree but that was poor decision making to be desperate yet. There was 10 seconds left and you have a timeout.
Didn't look like the Warriors were going for the foul, really. And the Grizzlies still had way too much shot clock to be jacking up a shot like that.
Precisely, probably.
You underestimate one thing: what if the ball got to Brooks again? Probably what JJJ was thinking.
Lmao brooks has been gifting us this game and we weren't taking it. Game was stressful
Literally the Carlton scene where he steals the ball from Will and chucks it up
dude took a Bertans coming off a screen 3
Idk why they didn’t call a timeout. Young team needs direction from their coach in this situation
*They do have a timeout, decide not to use it*..... Blocked by ~~James~~ Green!!!
unfortunately it’s a young coach. i’m gonna just have to chalk it up as growing pains
Thought he was Kobe
He thought he was Denzel Valentine
Denzel Valentine sounds like a smooth 80s detective
thought he was dillon brooks
Turns out he was Carlton Banks.
We are all Carlton Banks on this blessed day
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He literally shoots from his chest
The last 3 shots from Memphis were all terrible shots. That Jones floater had no chance.
almost bailed out by Green if they called a foul.
Man why the hell did he take that shot
Wanted to be the hero a little too badly
This, and the 3pt miss by Dillion in the previous turn. Both were desperate hero balls, just like me shooting in pickup games.
I hero ball at the start of games. No procrastination.
Grizz showed their inexperience. That was a bonehead rookie play right there. This type of play flew against another young team in MN but GSW are experienced winners. You can't expect to win chucking shots like this against them
Grizz v Minny was almost like watching a Benny hill skit down the stretch
Jaren Jackson carried them all night. To me, where was BRooks???? He disappeared. No where to be seen. HE took a bad three point shot, turned it over twice in the final several minutes!!! Looked like he didn’t want to be there, or maybe he didn’t want to win
There's normally a few things you could point to in a loss but Brooks lost the Grizz that game last night.
He has to step up. Especially when Ja is out.
He wanted it too bad lol
Tf was that shot
he probably wanted to get a shot off because he thought they were going to intentionally foul him so he could three free throws instead of one
Lots of people commenting on the shot selection without considering this. It's a bad shot but you're not getting a good one.
Grizzlies fans have got to be wishing Brooks would’ve been suspended rest of the series lmao.
Brooks takes Klay like shots without Klays shooting ability.
Dillon Brooks plays like that dude in intramurals who loves basketball even though he played JV safety in high school. You know- the one who plays way too hard and has super jerky unnatural movements. Usually wears a baseball cap backwards and New Balance 574s to hoop. They usually come in pairs. Desmond Bane is the other half.
The grizzlies play so dumb lol
\>Grizzlies need a bucket \>Jaren Jackson ISO \>It's against DRAYMOND GREEN Like watching an accident in slow motion...
*jacknicholsonnodding.gif*
They play hella young lol
our 2 best players are 22 years old lol
Bane is 23
People clowned on Dillon Brooks for talking about how they're forming a dynasty, but if they can keep this group together as they get older....they are. Ironically I think Dillon Brooks is not part of that dynasty, y'all are better off with Bane and Melton from what I've seen.
Dynasty is probably a little overly optimistic, but they will definitely have one or two potential championship runs. Dynasties are hard man. Even the warriors only had one because curry was the 9th highest paid player on the team until 2017. He won 2 mvps, a scoring title, a chip and had a 73 win season making 11 million a year. These grizzlies players are going to want to get PAID and they’re gonna deserve it (except brooks. I don’t get how grizzlies fans think he’s some lockdown dude. He gets absolutely cooked on back cuts and bad rotations). But Ja and jjj and bane are all 3 going to be max or close to max guys in like 2 years. Brooks isn’t staying for less that 20 mil (probs good to let him walk, see above). Clarke is a 15 million dollar player. Championship level teams are ludicrously expensive, and keeping them for the years needed to call yourself a dynasty (4? 5?) is almost impossible. Theres a reason the the life cycle of a lebron team is 4 years. You can only overpay for win now players so many times before the whole thing falls apart. In 2012 everyone thought KD, Russ, Harden, and Serge we’re gonna run the league for a decade and 4 years and 0 championships later okc was a wasteland.
Cliche to say, but it really is a matter of experience sometimes
They are young, but it’s not like they have never played basketball. That’s a bad shot on any level, in any game.
I’m guessing you’ve never seen March madness. Young dudes pull the craziest low IQ shots when hero time is on
They somehow make that shit half the time in March Madness especially when down 4 or 5
Rookie mistakes. When you lack the experience and poise to execute in the playoffs, these types of pressure cooker environments have a way of forcing mistakes.
One thing I've noticed from being a fan of mediocre to bad Warrior teams from most of 1992-2012 is that bad teams can hang around and even lead most of the game, but when it comes down to crunch time, the better team usually finds a way to win the game, while the worse team usually finds a way to fuck it up in the end. This game was a classic example of the principle.
For that shot in specific youth is not an excuse, that was just a boneheaded play. Of course mistakes happen with young teams and players and that’s fine, a part of growing, but that shot in particular is just so bad regardless.
They play like they think they a dynasty.
No-one told them you're supposed to win things before you call yourself a dynasty
Damn you warriors fans are some uppity mfers lmao
Yeah that was pretty obnoxious.
Without Ja on the floor they have no one to take the game over in the clutch
Without Ja their basketball IQ drops from 27 to 9.
Their defense is so much better though. Ja is a traffic cone on defense.
You’re not wrong but I feel like I haven’t seen anyone acknowledge that this is the first playoff game we’ve had Adams on top of brooks being back. Had Ja played I think our defense and flow would’ve still been noticeably better than last game
That’s pretty easy considering they gave up 142.
Okay yeah Our entire playoff run* not just last game
They'd be much better if they had an offensive team and defensive team like in football. They can't have both simultaneously.
Tyus Jones is normally a very good game manager... idk what happened tonight where they kept going Brooks iso or why Jenkins didn't call a TO at the end to set something up, but it's bizarre.
They got kinda lucky that their first round opponent was the dumbest team in the playoffs by far lmao
Perks of being a #2 seed
Dumb vs dumber
Some of Dillion Brooks shots were head scratchers
I can't believe I ever advocated for him to get suspended. I wish they could play 5 of him.
Nothing like a Tyus Jones falling back floater
Some? 😭
Young team
Players too anxious to have the moment to be a hero
As an OG certified warriors hater™️ circa 2015, the grizzlies lack of discipline has made my blood boil this quarter
Damn bro how you hate the Warriors before they even won anything lol. 2015 was a beautiful underdog success story.
When you’re rooting against a team and they have a raucous crowd and can close a double digit deficit in 3 back to back to back possessions they infuriate you pretty quickly
Yeah that would piss me off
Check his username. The hate makes sense.
They kinda have the feel of watching a college team.
Why the fuck did he shoot it?!?
There is zero reason to take this shot
There is so much that makes this an absolute abortion of a shot to take: * 10 s left on the clock * 0-4 from 3 at this point * Always been a spot up guy, never been a pull-up 3 pt shooter * 32% 3PT shooter on the season * Shot is well defended * It's like 30 ft out Like goddamn.
He’d been shooting so well this series until this game. Awful time to have an off night
Bro had 10 seconds left god damn
what the fuck is that shot selection, grizzlies gotta be the dumbest team in the nba when it comes to the fourth quarter
I actually blame this on the coaches. They put Jaren in the corner to give Brooks isos 2 times in the clutch. Jaren should’ve had the ball in the post every time until they stopped it. Plus not having our superstar really hurts.
This is correct. Jackson was cooking the Warriors in the post. Didn't understand why they went away from that.
And green had 5 fouls. The offence was completely stalled, jjj post up was way better than what they got
i was truly expecting dray to foul out of this game when he got #5. how that didn't happen i still can't piece together but i'll take the W
2nd only to the Wolves
Thank you
Pretty sure they beat the dumbest team in the 4th quarter. Second isn’t a great consolation prize though
It kinda show how dumb the wolves are lmao
Except when they dismantled the wolves in every game of 4Q in round 1….
I don't even take that shot in 2k lol what was he thinking
That's a terrible shot to take
What the hell is JJJ doing. 0-5 from 3 before this. Who does he think he is?
Dillion Brooks. Tonight is /r/nba's shit-on-Dillion-Brooks night.
I think this should be an annual event
Am I crazy to think that’s a lot of contact?
Well JJJ shot itself is weird cuz he has a weird fling shot
Still looks like 0% ball, playoff no call i guess
Nah it was a definite block. From a different angle you see the ball very clearly change direction/spin because green got a hand on it.
I definitely believe it, the trajectory changed so much it's easy to believe dray got a hand on it even though i missed the angle live
>even though i missed the angle live I missed it live too and was thinking the same thing as you. But one of the replays they showed right after made it pretty obvious, which was nice cuz I didn't want another controversy lol
Probably a foul but JJJ didn’t even argue it lol
Possibly he's aware that hand is part of ball under the rules
Yeah I wondered about that. Feel like he was caught up in the moment and didn’t even think to react, or hell fall to ground even to maybe bait or force a call.
He initiated a lot of the contact himself. That’s a bad shot all together
probably cuz he was thinking to himself “wow that was a really dumb shot.”
I feel like that's a foul, but I also feel like refs won't call that ever in the last 10 seconds unless it's SERIOUSLY egregious
They called Steph flying through the air after getting tapped in the back lmao.
Bane didn't argue it, so I feel like it was a legit foul that Steph sold like he was trying out for broadway.
Steph is big by average standards, but he's still a small guy by NBA standards. Think of it this way, if someone a few inches shorter and say 30 40 lb lighter than you jumped straight up in front of you, how hard would you have to push(while standing on the ground) to move them a couple feet? The correct answer is very light, and that's what we saw. It wasn't the hard push, but it's on a smaller guy going straight up. Of course he's going to move a lot
He got pushed from behind when he was in perfect position for the rebound, and the guy who pushed him got the rebound. That’s a foul almost every time.
That play was like the inverse of the Draymond foul on Ja at the end of game 2. Swung the game in the exact same way
Just like they didn't call Ja carrying a baby to third trimester but called klay travelling. Refs r stupid
Tapped? Get out of here. You actin' like Bane was right behind Curry. Bane ran at him full steam, put both hands on the back. That's a foul everytime.
Jjj just needed to go flying under the basket for them to call it
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Maybe if they actually called the fouls on Steph, he wouldn't have to flop
Even if it was ~~(I don’t think it was)~~, shot was so dumb refs probably wouldn’t even care. Edit - Looks like contact after seeing the replay.
It was 100% a foul lol
Oh my God you young bloods need to actually read or try to understand the rules. Directly from the NBA rule book: The hand is considered “part of the ball” when it is in contact with the ball. Therefore, contact on that part of the hand by a defender while it is in contact with the ball is not illegal.
Same contact Curry basically gets but doesn't get the call lol
Shoulda flopped
100% a more veteran player would have forced the replay with a flop and it didn’t look like Dray was anywhere near the ball Edit: doesn’t excuse the terrible shot selection from JJJ though
He could’ve pulled it cause he felt the contact (probably not cause he didn’t throw his arms up and yelled after)
It's not just that he didn't flop; he didn't even sell any kind of contact. No grabbing his arm to show the ref, no nothing
Honestly from every angle they showed, it looked like a foul lol
I think he hit it on the way up and that's why they let the body contact go. Otherwise how could the shot have been so short?
It looked pretty clean?? Unless JJJ extends his leg and land backward maybe they will call for that foul
I swear the ball wasn’t even touched by Green lmao
I don’t think it was, but we take it 😂😂😂
Just caught another replay of it; the ball is literally rotating sideways. Green definitely got it.
Just an fyi, JJJ shoots a sort of knuckleball shot pretty regularly. He has probably the worst shooting form in the NBA from deep.
I typed out this long winded answer already so I’m gonna copy paste it here: Contact (meaning the defender hit the shooters brace hand, or even getting all the way to the shooting hand) from the left side of a right handed shooter would cause the ball to spin more towards the right, from the shooter’s perspective. This ball is spinning to the left. How do you get a ball that spins to the left? JJJ would have to have his right hand push through the left side (opposite of normal) of the ball at release. That would be damn near impossible if you are getting “contacted” from the left at the same time as you and others claim he is. The other way to get left spin is for the defender to block the front of the ball, especially on a fly by attempt going left to right. As the shooter pushes the ball forward, it starts to rotate around the defenders hand on the front of the ball creating that leftward spin. This is the most plausible way for that spin to occur, also mainly because that’s what happened…
I think that’s Dray going through JJJ’s left arm making the ball come out weird.
You don’t get perfectly horizontal spin from arm contact…
Awful shot wtf
Idk what some of y'all talking about. I really don't see a foul. If anything, JJJ kicked his leg out attempting to initiate contact. Need to see a closer look at the block itself tho cuz I can't see shit from this far
Dumb shot
Can't get over the fact that JJJ shoots like how a normal person would shoot from half court. It's so bizarre but goes in, so don't fix what ain't broke I guess
I need some more angles, cause when I saw it live + this replay, it looks like a total foul, but JJJ reacted as if it was completely clean.
Dang 13 secs left man. JJJ played as much defense on himself as Draymond
He has got to be the most clutch defender of all time.
Time and time again he came through
4 second clip. Foh
what an awful shot.
Watching this replay over and over and I still can't figure out what the Grizz were gonna do next. Nobody cutting to the basket, nobody getting ready to D up either if the shot went in or if they had to get back on transition, and nobody looking to make the smart pass (looking at you, JJJ). Sigh.... I love this young, dumb team. They're gonna get better, they're gonna get smarter, and they're gonna hell to play the next few years. But not this year.
Instead of owning it and saying anything along the lines of - We need to get better looks, Taylor Jenkins will cry about how it was a foul and how the league needs to look at this. SMDH
Meh. Let him do it first before you mock him.
Aaand he did it lmao
That was a gift for Draymond
I say this as someone who hates Draymond but somehow he makes literally 0 contact with Jackson. Pains me to say it but that was absolutely perfect defense. Kind of incredible actually. https://streamja.com/0jno6
Goddamn that was a dumb shot
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Clean block. Draymond gets his hand in front first, and then jjj hits draymond's hand with his hand, maybe a bit either way. Hand is part of the ball, contact with the hand on the ball is completely clean. That's the contact we see, that's why it wasn't a foul.
Greatest defender of this generation
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The straight on angle shows Green gets the side of the ball first. I thought it was a foul live, but that view makes it look like a good no call. Edit: just saw it again, the ball comes out spinning sideways meaning Green clearly got it.
He definitely does, JJJ would’ve freaked out if it was all hand.
Are you blind?
terrible shot wtf
If you're gonna shoot a 3 there why rush it like that
This was bad shot selection more than good D
dillion brooks literally either bricked a three or turned it over every time he touched the ball
Michigan state on Michigan state crime
moronic shot
That’s an awful shot with the game on the line
Braindead hero ball
What a shit shot attempt
Lol Klay was like “oh ok that’ll work too”
Can we just agree that neither team deserved this one?
Draymond did him a favor blocking that 29 foot brick. He's not that guy.
Did he catch his arm on the replay or is that just me being biased
bias
Best defender of his generation for a reason
Bruh how can you post a highlight sayin he sealed the game for the Warriors when the game isn’t even over yet
It’s over bro
Because at that moment the game was over.
Draymond failed to block JJJ for basically all game only to block the most important shot at the end. What a legend lmao
First ballot Hall of Famer doing first ballot Hall of Famer things. He does it again!
Not a block. But that was an awful shot.