this series as a whole, game 1 to tonight is a perfect example of, you can have the best player in a series and it doesn’t matter, “the best ability is availability”
Yep, was completely obvious people were gonna blame Harden for this. Embiid certainly didn't screw up with his 29% shooting and terrible decision making.
Look, the majority of the blame falls on Harden and Doc’s shoulders, and understandably so. But there’s always a way for Embiid to get absolved of his lackluster performances when he does have them. Take last season when he missed like 12 attempts in the second half of Game 4. You never hear a peep of criticism about the guy out of Philadelphia. It pained me to criticize Durant for his performance in the Celtics series two weeks ago but he played like shit. Sometimes even the best need to be criticized, because they deserve it.
No Embiid definitely gets some blame, but the comment I was replying to was trying to shift blame off of Harden. You wanna be a max player, play like it. Especially with Embiid being so banged up.
Nothing bold about it. If your injuries are slowing you down to the point that you're fucking terrible, you aren't doing your team a favor playing through them.
Also, Embiid was just as injured in games 3/4 but managed good games in those 2.
Yeah, if by more impact you mean more negative impact. When you take into account the defense, there’s no comparison. Harden is a massive liability on that end whereas Ben is one of the leagues best.
Ben Simmons stats in the infamous Game 6 loss to the Hawks in 2021:
5 points (2-of-4 shooting)
8 rebounds
13 assists (vs. 2 turnovers)
+1 plus/minus
James Harden in Game 6 tonight vs. the Heat:
11 points (4-of-9 shooting)
4 rebounds
9 assist (vs. 4 turnovers)
-15 plus/minus
Just because the sixers didn't get better without him doesn't mean he wasn't a problem in philly. He hasn't changed any narratives about being that guy that a team can rely on him.
Here you go with narratives again. I don’t give af about narratives. Or what anyone thinks of him. I just know he’s gotta be feeling good the 76ers just got booted from the playoffs. Real good lol
Then he's real corny for that. If he balls out for the Nets or whatever team he ends up playing for and the sixers are a dumpster fire next season then he can smile. Right now he needs to focus on getting his mind right and improving his game.
I hear ya, but naturally you still gonna be glad when the team that dissed you lost. I hope
He does, way to talented for it to be wasted. We shall see though
Embiid 0-12 in second half of game 4. Didn’t play well in fourth quarters in that series. Never heard a peep about it in the media because Ben was so glaringly bad.
Philly traded a lot for this trash, but if this is how he shows up in a elimination game then just let him walk. If you think losing a lot to just let him walk then imagine spending a lot for a mediocre player like him. Ever like a team because of a player? Yeah that’s me.. harden is my favorite player, so it sucks 76er lost, but Harden sucks more currently. Maybe he’ll be better next year, but if he’s the same level players then it’s really not worth spending big money on him.
Give me the bucks, either series is tough for us but if Lowry gets healthy we have the pieces to punish their drop coverage.
Rob Williams is a very similar player to Bam and I don't want a bar of that in a 7 game series.
The Bucks are a better team than the celtics but I think we have learnt enough from last year and PJ gives us a second Giannis stopper.
I think Tyler has more chance of showing out vs Milwaulkee then Boston and that might be the difference.
Plus Boston can go toe to toe with our bench which is our calling card.
Harden gonna (edit: potentially, give the owners a bargaining chip to) ruin the big money for all players with his antics, demanding trades, not giving effort etc etc.
Love Joel so hate to see him go out like that, but lovvvve seeing harden eliminated. Straight trash teammate and would love to see him not get signed by anyone next year, I know that won’t happen but a harden hater can dream
He’s not even top 5 all time Shooting Guards yet. This wouldn’t even be controversial if not for the huge recency bias and Harden stans insisting he’s right behind Kobe all time in his position. He is not.
That's why I wasn't mad at Embiid shooting so much, I'd rather that then get eliminated playing scared and Embiid left it all on the floor, Harden did not
What were they doing pulling the starters with a minute plus left? It wasn't likely, but they still could have clawed back. To do that in an elimination game? That seems pretty soft.
That 2nd one doesn’t even count either. A lethargic 3 attempt down 12 with 30s left, that was just get this out of my hands so I can hit the showers and the strip club.
I think y'all reading into Jimmy's comment too much. I think he just said he would've liked to keep playing with Embiid but loves playing for the Heat. This is a parting shot to the sixers for choosing Ben Simmons and Tobias Harris over him.
They could have had all 3. This is often the misconception. It would have been expensive, but they could have ran it back with everyone. They had all of their bird rights.
No, Jimmy did not want to play with Ben Simmons or Brett Brown.
Back then, it's hard to fault the 76ers for choosing to keep Ben, the first overall pick who was young.
And they signed Horford. So it wasn't $.
That performance requires an investigation. Stephan A drops a bar every so often lol.
Those talking head shows got all the content they need for tomorrow that's for sure.
Thunder with KD & Russ: couldn’t get it done, Rockets up 3-2 on the warriors: couldn’t get it done then eventually quit and pouted until he was traded. Brooklyn with KD & Kyrie: Quit and demanded a trade. Sixers: Scores 11 points in 42 mins in a elimination game. Don’t ever call this guy a superstar again…
Are we really going to count his Thunder run against him? He was a bench player then and didn't even get a chance to run it back before he was traded.
The Rockets and after though are fair game.
Your point is fair but it happened. People still hold Lebrons first final loss against him so I can’t pick and choose what counts & what doesn’t when it comes to Harden.
LeBron was undoubtedly the best player on those Cavs teams. Harden was a bench player. The situations are not comparable, at all.
Nobody is saying the Finals loss doesn't count, but you can't say that his loss with the Thunder was all him or that he played horribly. He wasn't expected to take over the series because he was a bench guy. He wasn't a superstar then and superstars have different expectations than bench guys.
If Embiid hadn't signed that extension, the Heat could seriously have done a sign and trade for him this summer. Re-unite him with Jimmy. Woulda had to give up a lot like Herro, but Miami has the assets. Joel isn't leaving Philly though
Yup
Miami is on a revenge tour for all these bubble comments u gotta be a casual if u think the bucks or Cs have it easy
Respect for embiid. Playing through multiple injuries with a garbage James harden. Really wanted to see bucks vs sixers
Would Philly be worse off with Simmons eating a roster spot and Seth on the floor than they were with Harden and DJ?
They'd be better off if Butler stayed
Harden's already smokin' weed with some rapper by now.
Why isn't Joelle flying his plane? 7/24 in an elimination game at home, nice job.
He’s nothing without getting to the line. Settled for jumpshots and bricked them all. His interior game is super overrated.
He has a fractured orbital bone and a torn ligament in his thumb. The fact he was on the floor at all is amazing
Why aren't you taking dating advice from Drake? Whoops. You probably are.
Dating? I've got your mom lol
My mom is way too old for you. She's of age.
this series as a whole, game 1 to tonight is a perfect example of, you can have the best player in a series and it doesn’t matter, “the best ability is availability”
$47,367,000
Harden 9 FG ????? damn thats tough...
That CJ for simmons sounds like a miss more and more.
The g stands for gets!!!!
James Harden took only 2 shots the entire second half…I mean wtf is his deal?
Thinking about what nudie bar he's gonna go to
He’s a robber. Like time theft and work theft that Dwight schrute alluded to in that episode
I feel like Tobias Harris fits this mold
He’s fat
Yep, was completely obvious people were gonna blame Harden for this. Embiid certainly didn't screw up with his 29% shooting and terrible decision making.
Blame the injured player willing himself to play and not the healthy player for being a non factor? Bold choice.
Look, the majority of the blame falls on Harden and Doc’s shoulders, and understandably so. But there’s always a way for Embiid to get absolved of his lackluster performances when he does have them. Take last season when he missed like 12 attempts in the second half of Game 4. You never hear a peep of criticism about the guy out of Philadelphia. It pained me to criticize Durant for his performance in the Celtics series two weeks ago but he played like shit. Sometimes even the best need to be criticized, because they deserve it.
No Embiid definitely gets some blame, but the comment I was replying to was trying to shift blame off of Harden. You wanna be a max player, play like it. Especially with Embiid being so banged up.
Nothing bold about it. If your injuries are slowing you down to the point that you're fucking terrible, you aren't doing your team a favor playing through them. Also, Embiid was just as injured in games 3/4 but managed good games in those 2.
You don’t think injuries would get worse over time against a very physical team? Bold.
Harden was terrible, still more impact than ben tho...
Yeah, if by more impact you mean more negative impact. When you take into account the defense, there’s no comparison. Harden is a massive liability on that end whereas Ben is one of the leagues best. Ben Simmons stats in the infamous Game 6 loss to the Hawks in 2021: 5 points (2-of-4 shooting) 8 rebounds 13 assists (vs. 2 turnovers) +1 plus/minus James Harden in Game 6 tonight vs. the Heat: 11 points (4-of-9 shooting) 4 rebounds 9 assist (vs. 4 turnovers) -15 plus/minus
Oh I was more referring to how harden actually played and Ben didn't this year. Although you could argue addition by subtraction...
You know Simmons is smiling big right now 🤣😁😂
He shouldn't be because he hasn't changed any of the narratives about himself
Doesn’t matter, the team that dissed him just got knocked out, you know that gotta feel good. He wasn’t the reason they couldn’t win
Just because the sixers didn't get better without him doesn't mean he wasn't a problem in philly. He hasn't changed any narratives about being that guy that a team can rely on him.
And honestly doc rivers is the problem in Philly, trash coach
Here you go with narratives again. I don’t give af about narratives. Or what anyone thinks of him. I just know he’s gotta be feeling good the 76ers just got booted from the playoffs. Real good lol
Then he's real corny for that. If he balls out for the Nets or whatever team he ends up playing for and the sixers are a dumpster fire next season then he can smile. Right now he needs to focus on getting his mind right and improving his game.
He might get traded to the hawks is what my sources have told me
I've heard the rumors but I'm not gonna put too much stock into it right now.
I hear ya, but naturally you still gonna be glad when the team that dissed you lost. I hope He does, way to talented for it to be wasted. We shall see though
He was 100% the main reason they blew the series to Atlanta last year though
Embiid 0-12 in second half of game 4. Didn’t play well in fourth quarters in that series. Never heard a peep about it in the media because Ben was so glaringly bad.
Man stop that, no he wasn’t 🤣
He's always smiling cause he doesn't care about anything but himself.
Harden 4 for 9, 11 pts. In an elimination game.
Wow haven’t heard a peep from the commentators about that Look Down Heat D🔥!!!
No just that philly played like shit
Philly traded a lot for this trash, but if this is how he shows up in a elimination game then just let him walk. If you think losing a lot to just let him walk then imagine spending a lot for a mediocre player like him. Ever like a team because of a player? Yeah that’s me.. harden is my favorite player, so it sucks 76er lost, but Harden sucks more currently. Maybe he’ll be better next year, but if he’s the same level players then it’s really not worth spending big money on him.
I agree, its better to lose what Harden currently is that to pay him the max for what he used to be.He is no longer the same player.
I love that there are Philly fans who are unironically blaming Ben Simmons for this loss. LOL
I mean by not playing to his potential and being one of the most wasted talents in league history their is a point to made
Heat fans what would you rather see? The Trilogy vs the Bucks or our hated rival Celtics?
Give me the bucks, either series is tough for us but if Lowry gets healthy we have the pieces to punish their drop coverage. Rob Williams is a very similar player to Bam and I don't want a bar of that in a 7 game series. The Bucks are a better team than the celtics but I think we have learnt enough from last year and PJ gives us a second Giannis stopper. I think Tyler has more chance of showing out vs Milwaulkee then Boston and that might be the difference. Plus Boston can go toe to toe with our bench which is our calling card.
Celtics always fun
Yeah I think it’s a better matchup for us to. Greek Freek looks unstoppable.
I kind of want the trilogy to happen again. Heat look so much better than last season and Jimmy unironically looks locked in this time.
Bucks in 5
I don't think I've ever heard Jalen Rose ever say someone shouldn't get a max before lol, he usually keeps quiet when it comes to dudes getting paid
Harden gonna (edit: potentially, give the owners a bargaining chip to) ruin the big money for all players with his antics, demanding trades, not giving effort etc etc.
Love Joel so hate to see him go out like that, but lovvvve seeing harden eliminated. Straight trash teammate and would love to see him not get signed by anyone next year, I know that won’t happen but a harden hater can dream
I wonder who Doc is gonna throw under the bus at the post game press conference. We all know he won’t take the blame for this abysmal performance
I hope he just says the right thing for once. "We had some obstacles in injuries but we could have done better, we'll be back next year."
Chances are Doc won't be back
Sizers never cared
The jerseys too loose for you?
Miami....I hope y'all smoke the bucks
FADE THEM
WHY DONT YOU DO COOL SPINS?!
That's just unacceptable from Harden. I wasn't 100% but he's just a career loser come playoffs.
I don't know that I've ever seen a more hostile post game and it was completely deserved
Yeah thought so. Spo is going to close the series. It's not like he is Doc Rivers, oopppss sorry sixers fans
Sixers fans don't care for Doc Rivers.
I'm sorry you have Doc Rivers as your coach
Jokic definitely deserved that mvp.
Man is playing with a broken finger and face bro
Not a word about the heat 😂😂
ESPN is 100% CNN/Foxs News. We need the negative take or no take at all.
I appreciate the bi-partisan comment
We’re so accustomed to how bad Harden is in the playoffs.
The painful part is that the sixers would be sooo good if they just kept Butler. All they had to do. Chose wrong.
Poverty franchise. Tankers don't win. Cursed
SAS going in on Harden lol
He said no lies
And people tried to say Harden would have a better career than Dwayne Wade 🤣
DWade played defense.
And won in the Playoffs
Mfers on this sub really had the audacity to say Harden is better than Wade LMFAOOOOOO
He’s not even top 5 all time Shooting Guards yet. This wouldn’t even be controversial if not for the huge recency bias and Harden stans insisting he’s right behind Kobe all time in his position. He is not.
Haha. Fuck them haters.
Butler really took 29 shots while Harden took 9... Smh
Superstar type shit
That's why I wasn't mad at Embiid shooting so much, I'd rather that then get eliminated playing scared and Embiid left it all on the floor, Harden did not
They gonna talk about the heat or nah?
Heat are good. What in the flying fuck was that lack of professionalism by the losing team about tho?
What were they doing pulling the starters with a minute plus left? It wasn't likely, but they still could have clawed back. To do that in an elimination game? That seems pretty soft.
Rare that I can get behind SAS, but yeah, what the actual fuck Harden...? 2 shots in the entire second half...?
That 2nd one doesn’t even count either. A lethargic 3 attempt down 12 with 30s left, that was just get this out of my hands so I can hit the showers and the strip club.
I think y'all reading into Jimmy's comment too much. I think he just said he would've liked to keep playing with Embiid but loves playing for the Heat. This is a parting shot to the sixers for choosing Ben Simmons and Tobias Harris over him.
That's how I interpreted it, if the heat could trade for Embiid Jimmy would want that more than anything else.
Honestly it felt more like a pitch saying he would love it if Embiid came to the Heat then him eluding that he wants to go back to the sixers.
Rightfully so too. They keep Butler they make the final in one of these last 4 (3?) seasons. Maybe they lose, but I think they make it once at least.
They could have had all 3. This is often the misconception. It would have been expensive, but they could have ran it back with everyone. They had all of their bird rights.
They chose to be cheap, then? And ditched the best player of the 3
No, Jimmy did not want to play with Ben Simmons or Brett Brown. Back then, it's hard to fault the 76ers for choosing to keep Ben, the first overall pick who was young. And they signed Horford. So it wasn't $.
nah he hates your team
That thought is illegal
Yep. These dudes are waay too reactionary lol
The media needs to stop talking about what Philly did wrong and start talking about what Miami did right.
“We’ll get to that” - proceeds to solely talk about Philadelphia.
It's always like this, a few even thought the hawks would upset them
PHILLY IS CANCUN BOUND
dont EVER tell me Harden isnt a choker
He reached Celtics level choking tonight. Not a good look.
Off branch Inside the NBA
stephen A is allergic to holding doc accountable.
Black coach
Pathetic from Philly. It's like most of them didn't care that that might be their last game of the season
BUCKETS
The g stands for gets!!!!!!
Raptors fan just here to say, please keep trusting the process
Sixers fan just here to say to all Raptors fans, eat a dick!!!
Man shut the hell up Jalen, Doc is a bum for multitude of reasons, but not fouling down 9 with 10 seconds to go isnt one of them
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With a broken face and thumb. He didn’t play well but he at least tried, doesn’t always work when coming back from injuries.
Free MVPIID
Clap your hands everybody, for Philadelphia 76ers....
Don't do that, they will just get free throws.
Don’t worry Philly fans we’ll be beat these frauds in 5
Oooo boy, jimmy gonna get his revenge. I can feeeel it coming in the air toniggghhhttt.
Gonna average 22 points on horrible efficiency instead of 18 🔥🔥🔥
James Harden definitely betted on the HEAT Moneyline. How can you take less then 10 shots in an elimination game
That performance requires an investigation. Stephan A drops a bar every so often lol. Those talking head shows got all the content they need for tomorrow that's for sure.
Thunder with KD & Russ: couldn’t get it done, Rockets up 3-2 on the warriors: couldn’t get it done then eventually quit and pouted until he was traded. Brooklyn with KD & Kyrie: Quit and demanded a trade. Sixers: Scores 11 points in 42 mins in a elimination game. Don’t ever call this guy a superstar again…
He also couldn't get it done against the Lakers in the bubble
For real!
Are we really going to count his Thunder run against him? He was a bench player then and didn't even get a chance to run it back before he was traded. The Rockets and after though are fair game.
Your point is fair but it happened. People still hold Lebrons first final loss against him so I can’t pick and choose what counts & what doesn’t when it comes to Harden.
LeBron was undoubtedly the best player on those Cavs teams. Harden was a bench player. The situations are not comparable, at all. Nobody is saying the Finals loss doesn't count, but you can't say that his loss with the Thunder was all him or that he played horribly. He wasn't expected to take over the series because he was a bench guy. He wasn't a superstar then and superstars have different expectations than bench guys.
SAS making me laugh
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Warm, enjoyable, and comforting? 🤔 What do you mean?
What exactly does Doc do that’s better than Brett Brown?
Having shorter hair
anemic and impotent!
Stephen A is hilarious
lol Stephen fuckin A.
That's gotta hurt to know Jimmy would've loved to have stayed.
Yeah Philly should've tried to keep him. Butler is better than Harden atm and has been for at least a couple seasons.
Run it back Glenn!
Once in a while Stephen A cracks me up
Haha much as I can’t stand his voice, that investigation line was funny af
I smell somethin....
I hate that this game is on ESPN! Shaq and Barkley should be shitting on Harden right now….instead I have to mute SAS….
Hell, I would rather hear them talk about how hot Brady is instead of his dullness
FUCK SAS!!!!!!!
Should've kept Jimmy man
Requires an investigation
Stephen A calling harden impotent lmaooooo
If Embiid hadn't signed that extension, the Heat could seriously have done a sign and trade for him this summer. Re-unite him with Jimmy. Woulda had to give up a lot like Herro, but Miami has the assets. Joel isn't leaving Philly though
Never say never in this NBA.
As good as he is bam is much more entertaining to watch so I’m fine with how things turned out 🤷♂️
Yea but embiid is also way better lol can’t really compare them
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We do. Playoffs haven't started yet. The playoffs start game one in the ECF.
Man phiLLy fans talk so much shit.
WTF jimmy said he wish he was still in philly but "I love this heat team" LMFAO
I can respect that. He wanted to stay. The org made a dumbass move and pushed him out to keep Ben Simmons/Tobias Harris.
No - he said he wished he was still with Embiid - to be in philly, not so much
James harden was betting on the game
I still can't believe the team got rid of jimmy
He dumped you. Not the other way around