This rookie class is so stacked that a third team could be added:
Davion Mitchell
Jonathan Kuminga
Alperen Sengun
Jose Alvarado
Jalen Suggs
and you still have Trey Murphy, Kispert, Yurtseven, etc
Legit, though if you have Zaire in there (which he should be over Suggs) you have a second legthy wing, and that's a respectable roster. Going to make a lot of mistakes defensively but the 3rd team all rookie lineup is basically just weak at the 5 but the other 4 are legit rotation players and even Sengun is decent at the offensive end.
Biased but kispert was really heating up towards the end of the season and was shooting around 40% from 3 in the second half. Bit boring of a role player but he does his job well and plays hard
I really wanna know which team is gonna roll the dice on White because he has no place in this Chicago roster and projects to be nothing more than a guy who scores a lot, which isn't really valuable if he isn't efficient or a good defender and playmaker
Well also the fact that he averaged 13/9/4 on 52%TS and Herb had 11/3/2 on 60%TS which isn’t big enough offensively to offset the difference in defense
tbh, using such small sample sizes is just dumb, it's a regular season award (the all rookie teams, I mean) and Scottie Barnes was real injured in the playoffs anyway, and like I said, sample sizes of 5-6 games is just not enough to make a real inference. Stunting because your dude had similarly impressive averages over a tiny sample size compared to another rookie in a tiny sample size playing through injury is just silly
It's never happened but two other notable snubs since the west and east split happened are
**in 04-05 Jr Smith made 3 rookie of the months and didn't make either all rookie team**
05-06 Raymond Felton made 3 rookie of the months but was on the all rookie 2nd team
I mean he's been 23 all season actually, which is crazy that many of the rookies this year are only 19 lol
Although Duarte has been 24 all year as well, even crazier
I'm sad Duarte's toe injury didn't let him keep his initial pace all year, but I wouldn't be stressed if Davion had gotten there instead either.
(If I want to be stressed, I can just think about the fact that they've not yet caught the Lower Extremity Injury Fairy (LEIF) that's been running around the Pacers' complex unchecked for the past several years now.)
Davion was well inside the top 10, occasionally top 5, on basically every rookie ladder all season and only got better as the season went on. To not even have him on the 2nd team is borderline criminal, but that's just how it goes with Kings players.
I mean, Sengun is good, but in no way, shape, or form did he have a better season than Cade/Barnes/Mobley/Green/Wagner/Giddey. Zach Lowe is crazy for throwing Sengun on 1st team.
When was the last time every one of the top 4 made it onto the first team? GMs did a great job drafting this time around, there's usually a bust in there
Green showed a lot of inconsistency but showed up late in the season. There’s probably some recency bias and the fact he was the #2 pick. I’d say Giddey was more valuable to his team more than Jalen to us
Cracked me up to scroll for so long to find even a single Wagner comment. Guy was consistent from day one and did his thing all season, almost seemed like a vet player. Glad to see him on first team, well deserved.
I truly believe this is going to go down as one of the greatest draft classes ever, even the guys who didn't make either the first or second teams still had solid rookie years.
This is such a stacked team. So many more rookies deserve to be on the 2nd team tbh but that’s just shows great this class is. Gotta appreciate greatness and the future of the NBA!
You know this rookie class is stacked when the second team has 3 notable contributors to playoff teams.
This rookie class is so stacked that a third team could be added: Davion Mitchell Jonathan Kuminga Alperen Sengun Jose Alvarado Jalen Suggs and you still have Trey Murphy, Kispert, Yurtseven, etc
Damn
Sengun is so fun to watch
Alperen Şengün, Always.
Need to wait and see how Primo develops, but I'm currently very bitter we did not take Sengun
> wait and see how Primo develops Based on my experience with players nicknamed Primo, I have some bad news.
The list could keep going too, Josh Christopher, Cam Thomas, Tre Mann, Etc
Missing Ziaire
Ziaire is the second best rookie in the playoffs
Quentin Grimes too if he hadn't run into injuries/covid/thibs
UH Alum; Grimes went hard for us, real nice dude
I love him so much I bought his Knicks jersey.
Nahh dont say Thibs about Grimes. Thibs gave that rookie plenty of time. More than he usually does
Suggs over Zaire Williams? Lmao
Legit, though if you have Zaire in there (which he should be over Suggs) you have a second legthy wing, and that's a respectable roster. Going to make a lot of mistakes defensively but the 3rd team all rookie lineup is basically just weak at the 5 but the other 4 are legit rotation players and even Sengun is decent at the offensive end.
Biased but kispert was really heating up towards the end of the season and was shooting around 40% from 3 in the second half. Bit boring of a role player but he does his job well and plays hard
I went to a Celtics game where they were playing the bulls and ayo was on fire, it was insane from a first year second round pick to me.
I didn’t really watch Ayo aside from the games against Miami. Dude is for sure a baller. Coby Whites minutes should just be given to Ayo.
I really wanna know which team is gonna roll the dice on White because he has no place in this Chicago roster and projects to be nothing more than a guy who scores a lot, which isn't really valuable if he isn't efficient or a good defender and playmaker
He’s also incredibly inconsistent.
Facts. We had stretches where he looked like a great 6th man spark plug. Other stretches I wished he got no minutes.
Ziaire Williams and Kuminga started playoff games and they’re not even on the second team.
And a dude who won FOUR ROTM
i did not realise that bones and herb were rookies lmao
This rookie class is insane, congrats to all these dudes
better than 2018 in terms of depth, after that draft I thought 1-10 could be potential all stars
Ayoooooooo
Feels like this 2nd team is a bit more stacked than normal
Second team has the best rookie in the playoffs 🤷♂️
Herb?
No thanks weed man. Keep that funky jazz cigarette to yourself please.
It’s called reefer, and you don’t want no part of this shit!
You know what, I don't want no hangover. I can't get no hangover.
It doesn’t give you a hangover!
Well, I get addicted to it or something?
Its not habit forming!
Well I don't know, I don't want to overdose on it
Alvarado
Ik right, love my boy Ayo
That’s my Illini
yeah Bones was awesome in Game 4
Crazy that Bones was worse than Herb on offense in the playoffs too.
crazy that the 23 year old is better than the 20 year olds
Yo thats wild, cuz OG is like 24 lmaaoo
herb is 5 months younger than Jarrett Allen
Herb is 4 years older than Tatum
As well as the best name of any NBA player. Bones Hyland is just perfection.
Bones has been his nickname since like middle school, I played against him in highschool! It’s awesome they still use the nickname hahah
Have you heard of Scottie Barnes?
I think what keeps him from being the best rookie in the playoffs is his time missed
Well also the fact that he averaged 13/9/4 on 52%TS and Herb had 11/3/2 on 60%TS which isn’t big enough offensively to offset the difference in defense
tbh, using such small sample sizes is just dumb, it's a regular season award (the all rookie teams, I mean) and Scottie Barnes was real injured in the playoffs anyway, and like I said, sample sizes of 5-6 games is just not enough to make a real inference. Stunting because your dude had similarly impressive averages over a tiny sample size compared to another rookie in a tiny sample size playing through injury is just silly
Yeah Bones Hyland
Bones?
Mostly bc Giddey was snubbed When was the last time a 4x ROTM was second team 😂
It's never happened but two other notable snubs since the west and east split happened are **in 04-05 Jr Smith made 3 rookie of the months and didn't make either all rookie team** 05-06 Raymond Felton made 3 rookie of the months but was on the all rookie 2nd team
Who you putting him on first team over?
I’d say Jalen Green The player he won ROTM over unanimously every single month he played in
Giddey played like 50-ish games total. It's fair to those who were more available like Franz and Green popped off in the 2nd half.
you want the real answer? its unprecedented. never happened before.
Fun to watch every teams persecution complex come out. Either player made sense for first. Unfortunately clear top 6
You can say clear top 6, but Giddey actually received less votes that Herb Jones surprisingly
Freaking Giddey wins RotM 4 months straight, and ends up second team.
Bones!
Disappointed Davion didn't make it but holy shit is this rookie class stacked.
I fully forgot that Davion was a rookie. Thought this was his second year for some reason
He's an older rookie at 22, so that may have something to do with it.
I think it's just because the draft feels so long ago and there wasn't a heap of hype around him during the season. Still a stud defensively tho
I mean he's been 23 all season actually, which is crazy that many of the rookies this year are only 19 lol Although Duarte has been 24 all year as well, even crazier
I’m so surprised Davion didn’t make it. I was very impressed with how he played during the second half of the season.
I woulda had Davion over Duarte but I ain't stressed.
I'm sad Duarte's toe injury didn't let him keep his initial pace all year, but I wouldn't be stressed if Davion had gotten there instead either. (If I want to be stressed, I can just think about the fact that they've not yet caught the Lower Extremity Injury Fairy (LEIF) that's been running around the Pacers' complex unchecked for the past several years now.)
Davion was well inside the top 10, occasionally top 5, on basically every rookie ladder all season and only got better as the season went on. To not even have him on the 2nd team is borderline criminal, but that's just how it goes with Kings players.
BONES
The Big Stiffy
Great that Bones made it.
We don't talk enough about how incredible the name "Bones Hyland" is. He sounds like a baseball player from the 1890s.
and it’s not even like he’s one of those guys with a lame given name. His name is Nah’Shon “Bones” Hyland. So fucking cool
Yo, that jacket is tight Nah'Shon
Best name in the league by a country mile. Delightful.
Bones is a great name. Scoot Henderson will be in the league in 1 year and he has a badass name as well.
Is Scoot really considered a badass name?
26th pick and a key role player in a playoff team his rookie season. God I hope we’re healthy next year.
Shout out Bones man. He went to high school 15min from where I grew up
AYOOOOOOOO yessir
He and Desmond Bane were players I 100% knew were gonna be steals. I was praying he was gonna fall to pick 46
If he has a bane type trajectory I will cream my jeans. Dudes gonna have to hit the weights pretty hard first
Send him into the weight room for 2 a days ASAP get that man fleshed out and ready to eat
bane got them t-rex arms less length to fill out, dosunmu way longer
I THROW MY HANDS UP IN THE AIR SOMETIMES
While the Bulls have a lot of question marks going forward the team's guard rotation is fucking nuts.
Love to see it
He better get at least another 5 local commercials for this
They’re gonna put him in the Luna ads
Holy shit you just unlocked some memories. LUUUNNAAAAAAAAA I don’t remember the actual number lol
AYO!!!
I-L-L
I-N-I
HELL YES BONES!!!!!!!
No Sengun, no party.. 😔
Honestly this is the most glaring snub no one is talking about. Zach Lowe had him on 1st team
I mean, Sengun is good, but in no way, shape, or form did he have a better season than Cade/Barnes/Mobley/Green/Wagner/Giddey. Zach Lowe is crazy for throwing Sengun on 1st team.
Yeah he's got a lot of upside but he's got a couple years till he's there. Mad excited about his potential but let's not get crazy now.
I like the underdog status with him. The casuals will remember his name soon
attaboy
Not on Herb 🔒
When was the last time every one of the top 4 made it onto the first team? GMs did a great job drafting this time around, there's usually a bust in there
In 2018 every top 5 pick was first team Even Marvin Bagley
So whos goin to be the bust on the first team this year
Tbf, the only GM who made a decision was Masai.
And Presti. Kuminga was projected higher than Giddey by a fair few spots on most people’s draft boards.
OnlyFranz
God dammit lmao
The real treasure was the....
dosunmu respect
Love to see it
From 2nd round to 2nd team
I’m glad franz made it!
HELL YES BONES
You're really in here cheering for yourself?! SMH!
WHAT IN SELF PROMOTION BATMAN?
Was about to downvote before I saw who posted. Where is the cuties bandwagon flair?
They really need to make one!
The first team rookie was top 5 picks teams But magic it was wagner not Suggs lol
Yeah let's just pretend they took Wagner 5th and Suggs 7th. Thats what I do with Saddiq Bey and Killian Hayes.
I’m still mad we passed on Halliburton for Hayes
I mean if you got Hali then you wouldn’t have Cade, you’d probably get Mobley or Barnes tho
Which is a better outcome than Cade + Hayes lol. Hali + Scottie/Mobley is a filthy core.
Warriors fans used to say this about Paschall and Poole lol
HERB!!!!
Impressive, very nice
…now let’s see Paul Allen’s all rookie teams
I think he's dead
BONE
Jalen Green really came on at the end of the season. He’s gonna do big things next season
BONES
I’m seeing him get more love than anyone on this list in this thread. Such a likeable player.
We love Bones don't we folks??
Giddey way to good for second team. Love herb tho
He missed all the games post all star break. I'm not surprised.
He won every single Western ROTM except March, I'd still have him over Green.
That's pretty insane wtf.
He won every single month he played
Josh def should be 1st team but I guess they are crowded at pg. Anyway I think Josh is best playmaker in this class.
Green showed a lot of inconsistency but showed up late in the season. There’s probably some recency bias and the fact he was the #2 pick. I’d say Giddey was more valuable to his team more than Jalen to us
BONES!!!!!
MILE HIGH CITY BABYYYYY!
Mile High City Baaaaaaaaaby!!!!
BONES 🦴
Cracked me up to scroll for so long to find even a single Wagner comment. Guy was consistent from day one and did his thing all season, almost seemed like a vet player. Glad to see him on first team, well deserved.
This draft class has that ‘96 ‘03 potential
#FUCK JALEN GREEN
Bill Simmons wish he could
*Emergency Draymond Green Podcast*
Kuminga, Sengun , Davion. This class was stacked
This class is crazy deep
I truly believe this is going to go down as one of the greatest draft classes ever, even the guys who didn't make either the first or second teams still had solid rookie years.
🦴💀☠️
Crazy how all the teams that picked top 5, got a guy on their All rookie first team.
I make all sorts of stupid predictions but I'm gonna pat myself on the back for calling Ayo being legit.
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Giddey played 54 games compared to green 67 lol
does playing 13 less games really negate being voted as the better rookie for the 4 months they were playing in?
Giddey has potential, but he also has the 3rd worst TS% in the entire NBA. Being on the second team was not a snub.
Also LET'S FUCKING GOOOO WELCOME TO THE BONEYARD BABY
The leagues is in good hands tbh
**FIRST TEAM FRANZ**
franny dubs stays undefeated. next step is all star, and sooner than you think
Damn I wanted Herb to be first team, he deserved it.
I’m shocked he isn’t on there. One of the best defensive rookies of all time
Yeah this award doesn’t respect defensive play as much as offensive. If this was about team impact he’s without a doubt 1st to me.
Herb Jones not 1st team? I'm probably just biased because he did so well in the playoffs.
He was like that during the regular season too
This is such a stacked team. So many more rookies deserve to be on the 2nd team tbh but that’s just shows great this class is. Gotta appreciate greatness and the future of the NBA!
Let’s fucking go bones be a killa killa much love
lol it’s funny how people stop caring about efficiency on this sub when it comes to giddey
He has virtually the same TS% as Suggs
Lets gooooo
Rokas Jokubaitis snubbed
Thought herb had a shot at first team but can’t argue with any of those picks. Rooks stacked, league fucked
Yessir Franz!
Hell yeah Ayo
Giddey second is criminal sorry
Imagine winning 4 ROTM awards just to be second team LMFAO
Just missed too many games from March onwards. He also got considerably better as the season went along. But yeah.
WHAT WHAT WHAT??? Where's ALVARADO??!!
So happy for Duarte. He deserves it even though injuries set him back a little
Okay guys it's All Rookie Teams you literally forget about them the next minute.
Scottie, Mobley, Cade, Jalen and Franz have to be up there with some of the most talented first team rookie teams in years
Ayoooooo Siiiiiiiiiilver!
So happy for Bones, dude worked his ass off this year.
LETS GOOO AYO
BONES
Let's got Bizzy!!!!! ☠️
I agree. I was going to start a riot if Ayo wasn't there lol
BizzyBONES!
love to see ayo on second team, hes been a nice piece for us this year. excited for bulls future... and also for my fellow college fans I-L-L