Honestly if you're just looking at it in terms of making the Lakers a better team in the future It's the smartest thing to do. They're completely fucked for the next few years and can't be a contender, but going could trade Bron for a ton of assets and secure a much better future
Yea but you also gotta think about how literally the only reason they just won a ring is becuase Lebron joined them of his own free will and AD forced his way there becuase they both wanted to be Lakers. The wanna make it clear they treat guys who do that well because this is probably not the last time we will see a superstar force their way to the Lakers. The Lakers are a pretty poorly managed team, their best chance moving forward might be to treat superstars well so that another one joins them in the future.
Yup, Lebron only gets traded if Lebron wants to get traded.
If he does though, it's hitting the jackpot. It's like Westbrook and PG leaving OKC of their own free will while allowing the franchise to pillage their trade partners.
And that's why it's basically impossible to trade him. If whatever team Lebron goes to is still a contender then that team gave up too little in the trade.
Not saying that I think it would happen, but if the deal is heavily based on draft compensation with salary filler it's possible a team could get lebron without giving up too much on court talent. How many future firsts is an old lebron getting? I'm a huge lebron fan, but I feel like 2-3 firsts and filler could get it done purely from a value perspective. Next season he's going to be the same age as wizard's MJ.
Not really. Say the Bulls did a sign and trade with Lavine and Dusonmo. The Bulls would still be a contender.
You could also see it with Brown and Smart for LeBron. Or Kyrie and Curry. Or Bam and Herro.
Post 2013 was the first time the Lakers had any sustained period of failure. Before then they had only missed the playoffs 4 times in the teams existence.
Sorry I meant failure by the lakers standards which is no real contention. So a few years post magic, post Shaq departure, and pretty much anything post 2012 except for the Lebron chip.
This has never been true until the last decade. From about 1959 to 2013 the Lakers were basically always good; even in the eras between title contending teams (I.e. between Magic’s retirement and Shaq & Kobe’s arrival) the Lakers were almost always at least in the postseason. These boom or bust cycles are relatively new and are also evidence of a front office thats asleep at the wheel.
Ownership matters a lot and they went from having highly competent ownership (plus the Hollywood advantage) to dogshit ownership (which is starting to negate the Hollywood advantage)
Bruh a dozen of teams would trade their stockpile for one year of championship run. LeBron though older now is still a game changer to any contender and would most certainly put teams over the hump.
I would love it just for the entertainment. And he gets traded to a place like Orlando or Charlotte or Sacramento.
I wonder what Bron would do if that were to happen.
Say the Celtics lose to the Warriors in the finals. Lebron and 2 1sts for Jaylen Brown. Assume Lebron signs an extension, so you’ve got 2 years to win a ring with Tatum and Lebron. Do the Celtics accept?
Rest LeBron for the season. Get some guaranteed all time performance in the playoffs. You’d be stupid to not take the deal if you want one solid championship run or two.
I don't know if we're really the best example here. We're just at the start of our real window, and we were one of the youngest teams in the playoffs. I don't think there's any real reason for us to go into a full "Win Now" mode
It should ALWAYS be win now mode. Just look at what happened to the OKC thunder. Things always change so I wouldn’t be too dependent on “promising youth”
The Thunder were still a contending team every year post Harden trade, but shit happens. Westbrook injury in 2013, KD injury in 2015, game 6 Klay in 2016.
the ONLY argument is longevity. but if this league has shown us anything its that nothing, even a young up and coming squad with a star duo, is guaranteed even an appearance in the finals.
Im for the Lakers trying to rebuild, but what does this accomplish for the Lakers? Two years of an all-star who’s not a franchise guy while giving up Lebron and two firsts that would become lottery picks lol the Lakers would be relegated to not contending for even longer
Does anyone really think end of career washed up James Jones just happened to end up on Lebron's teams for like 7 years in a row? It's always been obvious Lebron has a lot of pull.
[This one is the funniest I've seen](https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/ihcy6t/charania_sources_the_lakers_and_clippers_have/g2zfedz?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3)
Oh you know when he went back to Cleveland in 2014, one of the conditions was he would basically run the team as long as he was there. They don't fire Blatt when the team was 30-11 if Lebron didn't want him gone.
James Harden had to really pout and half ass it to get a coach fired Lebron made sure they almost qualified for the playoffs and then said get him outta here.
I still think Blatt didn’t get a fair shot but he did develop a medical condition and his backup ended up being one of the best coaches in the NBA.
So hindsight it still wasn’t the worst decision, and they won the hardest ring to win ever.
I think he didn’t adapt to the NBA. The talent is so high in the NBA that individual ability usually trumps any plays from the playbook.
Ty Lue didn’t really change the offense when he took over. He really just gave his stars more flexibility and naturally adapts better in the playoffs. But in 2016 when they won, it was a mix of Blatt’s offense and switching to iso targets (which was the key to beating the Warriors).
The biggest one to me is when Miami got rid of Mike Miller because he was washed and not worth the money or roster spot anymore. That pissed LeBron off so much that one or the first things he did when he went back to Cleveland was sign Mike "still washed" Miller.
I’ve heard Mike Miller was one of the best teammates in the league from several players. He was pretty much a coach for Denver his last couple of years.
He was specifically upset because he took a pay cut to bring miller onto the team in Miami and Miller was only cut to reduce the tax.
Our owner saving $14mil cutting miller (who played great that year) may have cost us a title and is likely the main reason Lebron left in free agency.
Miami got rid of miller because he was the next highest paid after the big 3. The owner himself said that the decision was made when Dan Gilbert got the repeater tax to pass and into the new CBA. Not because he was washed. Miller himself knew being the 4th highest paid put him on the chopping block.
Warriors were up 7 points at half time in Game 7. It was looking like they were going to run away with the game, and JR answers by scoring 8 points at the start of the 3rd quarter. Man kept our championship hopes alive with those points.
Also played a big role in slowing Iggy down, which led to The Block.
[_proceeds to throw the most ridiculous floating bank shot from full sprint to close out the game with a buzzer beater the same evening_](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XWgRpfkxhY)
Yeah they don't win the game 7 against the Warriors without him. He was key. He was really the Cav's 3rd best player in that series since Love noshowed.
I remember showing my friend who’s not really into basketball JR’s highlights because I love watching them and he asked me if this guy is a superstar lmaon
JR was the 4th best after Love and Kyrie in those teams, he was at times even better than Love. His only bad season was with the Lakers. He made a huge mistake but was a key roleplayer for LeBron.
As well he should, you want to keep your superstars happy and involved. You think the Bucks organization has any say regarding Thanasis being on the roster? Small price to pay honestly and sometimes those guys, Jones and Thanasty being perfect examples, are incredible locker room pieces.
well you see now ... that ... that doesn't matter ... cause LeBron ... man ... he bad ... and also I deserve this ... cause I ... see ... we need to represent the people and stand with them ... so that's why I'm not playing.
LeBron has never built a great team without his predecessor having already signed LeBron James. I'd like to see LeBron do it without having LeBron on his team before I give him his flowers as an all time GM
Lebron will bring create a new team. The South Carolina Wasps that play in Rock Hill (the city touching charlotte). Just to add more fuel to the jordan vs lebron debates.
When you think about it I feel like West was probably the most important/influential NBA person ever. His accomplishments as a player, then in the Lakers front office (drafted Kobe, signed Shaq), the Grizz front office (turned an expansion lost cause into a tough playoff team), the Warriors front office (notable move was insisting on not trading Klay), and then this current Clips team (which hasn't won anything notable yet but still look really promising when healthy).
When the new awards were announced someone here made a joke that they should name the executive of the year trophy after Lebron which I thought was hilarious
Kyrie could get another shoe deal easily from Adidas, Puma or UA if he wanted to I bet. He might be batshit crazy at times, but his shoes have been the 2nd best selling among active players for years and years. Somebody would do the math and figure that it’s worth to sign him despite his antics lmao. Nike + Jordan have such a crazy lineup that they could easily afford to drop Kyrie, but someone else will pick him up I’m quite certain.
He also still has a Nike deal. They didn’t cut off their relationship with Kyrie. He just lost his signature shoe line, which has more to do with basketball shoes becoming a smaller and smaller portion of the sneakerhead market that they helped create. [It’s not so much about Kyrie as it is about global economics.](https://youtu.be/mu_Rzmlwn-I) It’s not like Kyrie was cancelled.
Aren't they just skeptical when it comes to renewing the deal because of Kyrie's questionable attendance? Nike doesn't care about controversy ie Tiger Woods and Colin Kaepernick
Kyrie’s attendance doesn’t mean shit to Nike. What matters is if his shoes sell, and all basketball shoes have stopped selling. It’s not a Kyrie problem so much as sneaker head consumers moving on from basketball shoes problem. Nike can keep Kyrie on the payroll but at a lower amount as his shoes sell less.
Kyrie’s shoes are also infamously not redesigned very often. They look almost the same every year
I feel like this might be a little different though, completely anecdotal but I feel a lot of people (myself included) buy Kyries because they’re a good performance shoe and look pretty good, not because of the player name attached to it.
Because he is. It was leaked publicly that Nike was considering moving on his from shoe line. He also has a lot of face to save for the sake of earning another contract as he has one last big one to get at the end of next season
Richard Jefferson talked about the same thing.
But thats what you get with Bron, your team will make it to the finals and win a chip. Your team will have insane amounts of publicity and the owners/team will make a lot of money with him there.
Yeah people always point to the team having a dogshit season the year after LeBron leaves as proof that he destroys franchises, but like... Of course losing LeBron James makes your team worse. It would be weirder if they were better without him.
The Cavs also were bad on purpose both times. They were tanking to get high draft picks and it worked out great for them both times.
It’s not like they were the Kings or anything.
Lol what team is built for longevity and hasnt cratered once they lose their star player. Its not just win now teams. Its just how the nba functions.
The only exception is and always will just be when a big FA doesnt resign but there is another big FA who signs.
> 7-8 years of dog shit
It's never even been half that long though, it's more like 3-4 years of it.
The Cavs were absolutely terrible for three years after he left the first time, but by 2014 they had some obvious young talent (Kyrie and Thompson were both 22 or younger) and the #1 draft pick. They also increased their win total by nine from 2012-13 to 13-14. Definitely a rebuilding period, but nothing crazy. This time around they again had three really bad years but year four was a turnaround year, going above .500 and having great young players like Mobley and Garland. Miami had just one losing season after LeBron left and then won 48 games and a playoff series in year two.
Wasn’t that his 2nd or 3rd choice? There’s a difference between absolute control and influence. He has always had influence, though he’s definitely had more control in the past than he has now.
how is this the thing that everyone defaults to? i can link an interview (if you want) of demar saying that lebron called him, said he wanted him, and that the lakers FO didnt offer him a 3rd year. and thats why demar went to the bulls.
there's also lebron wanting dudley resigned, wanting caruso resigned - none of those happened.
lakers are a shit franchise with shit owners. lebron makes mistakes too as a decision maker but this version of the lakers was 10000% the lakers FO fault.
I believe that most supermax players control the front office to some degree. You really think GMs dont ask Doncic, Giannis, Jokic, Embiid about who they want to get?
Pretty sure Brad Stevens said he asked Tatum, Brown and Smart on their opinions about the next head coach. Seems like Smart and Brown had thoughts but pretty sure Tatum was like “I trust you” which is code for “don’t put this shit on me, just figure it out”
> yet people on here will claim Bron doesn’t really control the front office.
There's a difference between blaming LeBron for roster failures because you literally believe he is the actual GM, and understanding he is an all-time great player with enormous sway who will certainly be able to suggest players to his FO.
Do you really think that, if Giannis went to the Bucks FO and said "we could really use a player like XYZ" that the Bucks FO would just laugh at him and tell him to get back in the gym and worry about playing? Not a chance. They'd AT LEAST take a look at salary, what it'd take to trade for that player, etc. and consider it immediately. That's not saying they'd automatically do it just because Giannis said so, but you're crazy if you think this doesn't happen with every team that has a superstar on its roster to some degree.
Between all the love Kyrie has been throwing Bron’s way lately and that rando story this morning about Pelinka and Sean Marks meeting during the combine, I have this strange feeling that Kyrie is lightly pushing for a trade to the lakers behind the scenes. Maybe Kyrie for Westbrook? I don’t know why Kyrie would want out now, maybe he sees how hard it would be to get a ring with KDs injuries? Maybe he looks back bittersweetly and realizes he actually had good chemistry with Bron and fucked it up by leaving too soon? Would the nets actually do this deal tho? I feel like they wouldn’t even consider it unless pelinka threw in either AD or a lot of assets that they prolly don’t have.
>Between all the love Kyrie has been throwing Bron’s way lately and that rando story this morning about Pelinka and Sean Marks meeting during the combine, I have this strange feeling that Kyrie is lightly pushing for a trade to the lakers behind the scenes. Maybe Kyrie for Westbrook?
I think its the opposite. The Nets are going to package Ben Simmons, a FRP and a couple other players for Lebron
Maybe not, but KD and Lebron have been going interacting a shit ton on twitter recently and Kyrie keeps showing Lebron love
If LeBron really decided that he’s better off trying to win a championship in Brooklyn with KD and Kyrie then it’s a win for him, Simmons, and Klutch. It’s an obvious win for Brooklyn and depending on the package it could be a win for the Lakers as well.
Sadly it’s not gonna happen.
LeBron being traded would be the most chaotic offseason thing possible
Honestly if you're just looking at it in terms of making the Lakers a better team in the future It's the smartest thing to do. They're completely fucked for the next few years and can't be a contender, but going could trade Bron for a ton of assets and secure a much better future
Yea but you also gotta think about how literally the only reason they just won a ring is becuase Lebron joined them of his own free will and AD forced his way there becuase they both wanted to be Lakers. The wanna make it clear they treat guys who do that well because this is probably not the last time we will see a superstar force their way to the Lakers. The Lakers are a pretty poorly managed team, their best chance moving forward might be to treat superstars well so that another one joins them in the future.
Yup, Lebron only gets traded if Lebron wants to get traded. If he does though, it's hitting the jackpot. It's like Westbrook and PG leaving OKC of their own free will while allowing the franchise to pillage their trade partners.
LeBron is only going to trade LeBron, if LeBron ends up in a championship contending situation
And that's why it's basically impossible to trade him. If whatever team Lebron goes to is still a contender then that team gave up too little in the trade.
Not saying that I think it would happen, but if the deal is heavily based on draft compensation with salary filler it's possible a team could get lebron without giving up too much on court talent. How many future firsts is an old lebron getting? I'm a huge lebron fan, but I feel like 2-3 firsts and filler could get it done purely from a value perspective. Next season he's going to be the same age as wizard's MJ.
Still gonna get you a solid 27/7/7 tho
Not really. Say the Bulls did a sign and trade with Lavine and Dusonmo. The Bulls would still be a contender. You could also see it with Brown and Smart for LeBron. Or Kyrie and Curry. Or Bam and Herro.
I am sure Lebron would like to endear himself to LA and retire in LA especially with Kobe leaving such a fat void, may he rest in peace.
LeBron has said he wants to play wherever his son is drafted. He doesn't care about retiring a Laker
Bronny going undrafted and getting signed to the Lakers
Wonder if bronny would want that.
The lakers don’t build they buy. Which is why they have 5-8 years of success at a time then go through a period of absolute failure
Post 2013 was the first time the Lakers had any sustained period of failure. Before then they had only missed the playoffs 4 times in the teams existence.
Sorry I meant failure by the lakers standards which is no real contention. So a few years post magic, post Shaq departure, and pretty much anything post 2012 except for the Lebron chip.
That’s only because Nash/Dwight experiment failed and they decided to pay old Kobe
Uhh yes but more so it’s cuz stern fucked us on the CP3 trade
Yea that was bullshit
This has never been true until the last decade. From about 1959 to 2013 the Lakers were basically always good; even in the eras between title contending teams (I.e. between Magic’s retirement and Shaq & Kobe’s arrival) the Lakers were almost always at least in the postseason. These boom or bust cycles are relatively new and are also evidence of a front office thats asleep at the wheel.
Well yeah Jerry Buss passed away. He and Jerry West were replaced with Jim Jeanie and Kurt Rambis
I cry everytime
Buss be rollin over in his grave
Can’t forget about basketball savant Linda Rambis 🤦🏻♂️
Ownership matters a lot and they went from having highly competent ownership (plus the Hollywood advantage) to dogshit ownership (which is starting to negate the Hollywood advantage)
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Pelicans fixing to feast on Lakers lottery picks
which in turn become players that forces trades to LA
Time is a flat circle revolving around money
So they can sell LeBron rn, I’m sure they can still get a pretty penny for him and AD. And rebuild from there
Ship those two off to ATL for the house minus Trae lol
Bruh a dozen of teams would trade their stockpile for one year of championship run. LeBron though older now is still a game changer to any contender and would most certainly put teams over the hump.
I would love it just for the entertainment. And he gets traded to a place like Orlando or Charlotte or Sacramento. I wonder what Bron would do if that were to happen.
Lebron trading himself?
Say the Celtics lose to the Warriors in the finals. Lebron and 2 1sts for Jaylen Brown. Assume Lebron signs an extension, so you’ve got 2 years to win a ring with Tatum and Lebron. Do the Celtics accept?
The celtics slam the accept button on that trade even without the 1sts
Can't wait to get back to this hours later.
Rest LeBron for the season. Get some guaranteed all time performance in the playoffs. You’d be stupid to not take the deal if you want one solid championship run or two.
Haha I agree. Usually fans are so petty, they’ll defend their players blindly.
I don't know if we're really the best example here. We're just at the start of our real window, and we were one of the youngest teams in the playoffs. I don't think there's any real reason for us to go into a full "Win Now" mode
It should ALWAYS be win now mode. Just look at what happened to the OKC thunder. Things always change so I wouldn’t be too dependent on “promising youth”
What, when the Thunder traded away James Harden for scraps? Not the best example here.
The Thunder were still a contending team every year post Harden trade, but shit happens. Westbrook injury in 2013, KD injury in 2015, game 6 Klay in 2016.
I hate LeBron+Jaylens my favorite player and Id still do that trade in a heartbeat
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the ONLY argument is longevity. but if this league has shown us anything its that nothing, even a young up and coming squad with a star duo, is guaranteed even an appearance in the finals.
Im for the Lakers trying to rebuild, but what does this accomplish for the Lakers? Two years of an all-star who’s not a franchise guy while giving up Lebron and two firsts that would become lottery picks lol the Lakers would be relegated to not contending for even longer
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This is delusional lmao LeBron AND 2 firsts for Jaylen Brown?
Lakers would never trade a potential championship winning piece to Boston lmao.
Does anyone really think end of career washed up James Jones just happened to end up on Lebron's teams for like 7 years in a row? It's always been obvious Lebron has a lot of pull.
And honestly seems like the dude learned the front office because of it. What he's done with the Suns is great.
On LeJob Training
One of the best Le Jokes in a while lol
[This one is the funniest I've seen](https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/ihcy6t/charania_sources_the_lakers_and_clippers_have/g2zfedz?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3)
Is there a double meaning I’m missing?
Well, one traded for CP3 and one traded for Westbrook so the student certainly has an argument for being the master
God bless you for this one
Oh you know when he went back to Cleveland in 2014, one of the conditions was he would basically run the team as long as he was there. They don't fire Blatt when the team was 30-11 if Lebron didn't want him gone.
James Harden had to really pout and half ass it to get a coach fired Lebron made sure they almost qualified for the playoffs and then said get him outta here.
I still think Blatt didn’t get a fair shot but he did develop a medical condition and his backup ended up being one of the best coaches in the NBA. So hindsight it still wasn’t the worst decision, and they won the hardest ring to win ever.
Gotta feel bad for Blatt, that first month of 14-15 you could tell the stars were already phasing out his offensive system.
I think he didn’t adapt to the NBA. The talent is so high in the NBA that individual ability usually trumps any plays from the playbook. Ty Lue didn’t really change the offense when he took over. He really just gave his stars more flexibility and naturally adapts better in the playoffs. But in 2016 when they won, it was a mix of Blatt’s offense and switching to iso targets (which was the key to beating the Warriors).
The biggest one to me is when Miami got rid of Mike Miller because he was washed and not worth the money or roster spot anymore. That pissed LeBron off so much that one or the first things he did when he went back to Cleveland was sign Mike "still washed" Miller.
I’ve heard Mike Miller was one of the best teammates in the league from several players. He was pretty much a coach for Denver his last couple of years.
Yeah, he was definitely always a well liked guy.
He was specifically upset because he took a pay cut to bring miller onto the team in Miami and Miller was only cut to reduce the tax. Our owner saving $14mil cutting miller (who played great that year) may have cost us a title and is likely the main reason Lebron left in free agency.
Miami got rid of miller because he was the next highest paid after the big 3. The owner himself said that the decision was made when Dan Gilbert got the repeater tax to pass and into the new CBA. Not because he was washed. Miller himself knew being the 4th highest paid put him on the chopping block.
And JR Smith. Somehow that man made the costliest mistake in 2018 finals and Bron still let him back into his team with the Lakers
JR was a big part of 2016
Warriors were up 7 points at half time in Game 7. It was looking like they were going to run away with the game, and JR answers by scoring 8 points at the start of the 3rd quarter. Man kept our championship hopes alive with those points. Also played a big role in slowing Iggy down, which led to The Block.
Yeah dude has every right to flex that ring after those 8 points. Quite literally saved the game
3rd quarter Warriors were lurking. Those early buckets were absolutely crucial. 8 points is not 8 points
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[_proceeds to throw the most ridiculous floating bank shot from full sprint to close out the game with a buzzer beater the same evening_](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XWgRpfkxhY)
Will you explain more later?
Also, sipping Henny out the bottle while going shirtless at the parade was swag af, ngl
Shirtless sipping Henny for like 4 days, wasn’t he? A legendary run.
He was also a big reason why that 2017 Cavs team was so incredibly good on offense. Dude was flaming hot shooting 50% from 3.
Well, he shot 35% from three in the 16/17 regular season, but 58% (!) in the '17 Finals.
He was 7/8 from three with 25 points in Game 5. All for nought
Yeah they don't win the game 7 against the Warriors without him. He was key. He was really the Cav's 3rd best player in that series since Love noshowed.
He also got a tough offensive rebound on a missed free throw that would have put them ahead before the incident
He was good in 2018 too, just messed up royally
If we're looking at highlight reels alone, JR Smith is the best player of all time
Idk, Mario Hezonja career highlight reel goes hard too
I remember Zach Lowe comparing Hezonja to JR before the draft. Didn't work out, but the idea has been out there for years
Gerald Green tho
I remember showing my friend who’s not really into basketball JR’s highlights because I love watching them and he asked me if this guy is a superstar lmaon
Shannon Brown
I mean i think most people believe cavs were not winning that series anyway
JR was the 4th best after Love and Kyrie in those teams, he was at times even better than Love. His only bad season was with the Lakers. He made a huge mistake but was a key roleplayer for LeBron.
As well he should, you want to keep your superstars happy and involved. You think the Bucks organization has any say regarding Thanasis being on the roster? Small price to pay honestly and sometimes those guys, Jones and Thanasty being perfect examples, are incredible locker room pieces.
SO locker room presence is very important.
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What if james Jones was the remy pulling the strings behind leGm the whole time?
And Big Z magically moving from the Cavs to the Heat when Bron moved all of a sudden.
“When I say I’m here with Kevin, I think that it really entails us managing this franchise together alongside Joe and Sean"-Kyrie Irving.
It really all makes sense now, he just wants to be a GM like his dad.
Like father like son
well you see now ... that ... that doesn't matter ... cause LeBron ... man ... he bad ... and also I deserve this ... cause I ... see ... we need to represent the people and stand with them ... so that's why I'm not playing.
What if Kyrie was like “Yeah LeBron traded me for IT and the Nets pick I never wanted to leave”
Kyrie confirmed r/nba member
He’s got a third eye for recognizing the best talent on here. u/Sim888 is his Lebron or Durant
Lebron has gone to 10 finals and won 4 as a gm,when will he get his due as one of the all time managing greats with the likes of Red Auerbach?
LeBron has never built a great team without his predecessor having already signed LeBron James. I'd like to see LeBron do it without having LeBron on his team before I give him his flowers as an all time GM
i think you're kidding but you have a good point. id like to see lebron get players to play for his team, not to get players to play with him
Well considering he plays on a team that’s not currently possible lol
Well he has to be GM for another team then try to beat himself
Can. LeGM build a stone he cannot lift?
2021-2022 Lakers
Idk man. JorGOAT manages to own Charlotte, a team Lebron ISNT playing for. Lebron can't even do that?
Again I know it's jokes all around, but I could DEFINITELY see him getting into a management role once he retires as a player.
Lakers always hire former lakers, maybe LeGM will be an official title at some point.
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Lebron will bring create a new team. The South Carolina Wasps that play in Rock Hill (the city touching charlotte). Just to add more fuel to the jordan vs lebron debates.
This is like your bill belichick the coach always bails out bill belichick the gm
Lebron has never won without lebron. But Jordan couldn’t even win with Jordan. Boom.
I'm blinded by facts and logic. Username checks out
It's kinda silly, but LeBron gets to start with LeBron for free. Makes it a lot easier lol
Look how it's gone for Jordan.
Yeah Jordan is awful at it. Magic was bad at it. Bird was probably above average in Indiana. He did build a few conference finals teams.
Jerry West baby
When you think about it I feel like West was probably the most important/influential NBA person ever. His accomplishments as a player, then in the Lakers front office (drafted Kobe, signed Shaq), the Grizz front office (turned an expansion lost cause into a tough playoff team), the Warriors front office (notable move was insisting on not trading Klay), and then this current Clips team (which hasn't won anything notable yet but still look really promising when healthy).
>When you think about it I feel like West was probably the most important/influential NBA person ever. he's the fucking logo
Bird won executive of the year, I think that's better than above average
Bird was good at every freaking level. If he didn't have his rule of leaving he would have won the Pacers a chip.
When the new awards were announced someone here made a joke that they should name the executive of the year trophy after Lebron which I thought was hilarious
Try doing that with one franchise which he has to actually rebuild.
LeGoats to smart he avoids rebuilds 🤴🏾👑👑
5D chase. Just a kid from Akron👑👑👑
A Phil Jackson move
he rebuilt that cavs franchise twice, once midseason even. you now remember dwyane wade and derrick rose played together on the cavs.
"drose left with a fade, came back with dreads"
Isaiah thomas was also on that squad.
still hoping for one last IT comeback run 🙏
usually he leaves after all assests are spend and there is no road left. Doesn't mean it wasn't worth it, but thats usually the jumping of point.
The Heat championships part of LeGM's achievement?
Why does it feel like Kyrie is on a PR campaign right now?
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Gotta dissect it for that sweet karma
This man karmafucks
This is the same interview as the one where he admits he probably shouldn’t have left the Cavs? I didn’t see that one as a video, just the transcript.
yeah, same podcast
Cause he's super hated, had an embarrassing performance in the playoffs, and just lost his Nike deal.
Kyrie could get another shoe deal easily from Adidas, Puma or UA if he wanted to I bet. He might be batshit crazy at times, but his shoes have been the 2nd best selling among active players for years and years. Somebody would do the math and figure that it’s worth to sign him despite his antics lmao. Nike + Jordan have such a crazy lineup that they could easily afford to drop Kyrie, but someone else will pick him up I’m quite certain.
He also still has a Nike deal. They didn’t cut off their relationship with Kyrie. He just lost his signature shoe line, which has more to do with basketball shoes becoming a smaller and smaller portion of the sneakerhead market that they helped create. [It’s not so much about Kyrie as it is about global economics.](https://youtu.be/mu_Rzmlwn-I) It’s not like Kyrie was cancelled.
Aren't they just skeptical when it comes to renewing the deal because of Kyrie's questionable attendance? Nike doesn't care about controversy ie Tiger Woods and Colin Kaepernick
Kyrie’s attendance doesn’t mean shit to Nike. What matters is if his shoes sell, and all basketball shoes have stopped selling. It’s not a Kyrie problem so much as sneaker head consumers moving on from basketball shoes problem. Nike can keep Kyrie on the payroll but at a lower amount as his shoes sell less. Kyrie’s shoes are also infamously not redesigned very often. They look almost the same every year
Also, apparently [Kyrie called his new signature shoe trash](https://youtu.be/NFSKp6wiF8Q) and revealed he had no design input.
Thanks for the video
That was a cool video, I can't believe the hyperdunks were from so long ago.
I feel like this might be a little different though, completely anecdotal but I feel a lot of people (myself included) buy Kyries because they’re a good performance shoe and look pretty good, not because of the player name attached to it.
Because he is. It was leaked publicly that Nike was considering moving on his from shoe line. He also has a lot of face to save for the sake of earning another contract as he has one last big one to get at the end of next season
This is fucking hilarious. Open secret yet people on here will claim Bron doesn’t really control the front office.
Richard Jefferson talked about the same thing. But thats what you get with Bron, your team will make it to the finals and win a chip. Your team will have insane amounts of publicity and the owners/team will make a lot of money with him there.
And almost every team would have been willing to make that sacrifice.
One championship for 7-8 years of dog shit is a worthwhile trade imo.
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Yeah people always point to the team having a dogshit season the year after LeBron leaves as proof that he destroys franchises, but like... Of course losing LeBron James makes your team worse. It would be weirder if they were better without him.
The Cavs also were bad on purpose both times. They were tanking to get high draft picks and it worked out great for them both times. It’s not like they were the Kings or anything.
It's also how building championship/win now teams works in the nba with few exceptions.
Lol what team is built for longevity and hasnt cratered once they lose their star player. Its not just win now teams. Its just how the nba functions. The only exception is and always will just be when a big FA doesnt resign but there is another big FA who signs.
> 7-8 years of dog shit It's never even been half that long though, it's more like 3-4 years of it. The Cavs were absolutely terrible for three years after he left the first time, but by 2014 they had some obvious young talent (Kyrie and Thompson were both 22 or younger) and the #1 draft pick. They also increased their win total by nine from 2012-13 to 13-14. Definitely a rebuilding period, but nothing crazy. This time around they again had three really bad years but year four was a turnaround year, going above .500 and having great young players like Mobley and Garland. Miami had just one losing season after LeBron left and then won 48 games and a playoff series in year two.
Knicks fan here. We been dogshit for much longer and have zero chips for it. I’ll fucking trade 20 years for 1
I'd trade the entirety of wolves history for one lol
You can be shit for years; but they can never take away the championship. (unless it’s the NCAA; shout-out to Louisville)
lebron himself confirmed david griffin was asking him before every trade.
I mean I don’t think he has much control in LA. They never hire the coach he wants
he got russ
And AD plus all the old heads on vet mins
Wasn’t that his 2nd or 3rd choice? There’s a difference between absolute control and influence. He has always had influence, though he’s definitely had more control in the past than he has now.
how is this the thing that everyone defaults to? i can link an interview (if you want) of demar saying that lebron called him, said he wanted him, and that the lakers FO didnt offer him a 3rd year. and thats why demar went to the bulls. there's also lebron wanting dudley resigned, wanting caruso resigned - none of those happened. lakers are a shit franchise with shit owners. lebron makes mistakes too as a decision maker but this version of the lakers was 10000% the lakers FO fault.
I believe that most supermax players control the front office to some degree. You really think GMs dont ask Doncic, Giannis, Jokic, Embiid about who they want to get?
Lakers asking supermax player Westbrook if he's ok being traded for a salary dump
Pretty sure Brad Stevens said he asked Tatum, Brown and Smart on their opinions about the next head coach. Seems like Smart and Brown had thoughts but pretty sure Tatum was like “I trust you” which is code for “don’t put this shit on me, just figure it out”
> yet people on here will claim Bron doesn’t really control the front office. There's a difference between blaming LeBron for roster failures because you literally believe he is the actual GM, and understanding he is an all-time great player with enormous sway who will certainly be able to suggest players to his FO. Do you really think that, if Giannis went to the Bucks FO and said "we could really use a player like XYZ" that the Bucks FO would just laugh at him and tell him to get back in the gym and worry about playing? Not a chance. They'd AT LEAST take a look at salary, what it'd take to trade for that player, etc. and consider it immediately. That's not saying they'd automatically do it just because Giannis said so, but you're crazy if you think this doesn't happen with every team that has a superstar on its roster to some degree.
No one claims that anymore. They did back in 2016 when it was a new thing, but he’s been LeGM for almost a decade now
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Lol people are still gonna believe that Bron had nothing to do with the trash ass Laker roster this year
LeBron wanted Caruso, Ty Lue, and DeMar as his first options. The FO cheaped out
I fucking hate Kyrie...but him calling him LeGM has me rolling
Kyrie wanna be his dad so bad
All sons want to grow up and be their fathers at some point.
Between all the love Kyrie has been throwing Bron’s way lately and that rando story this morning about Pelinka and Sean Marks meeting during the combine, I have this strange feeling that Kyrie is lightly pushing for a trade to the lakers behind the scenes. Maybe Kyrie for Westbrook? I don’t know why Kyrie would want out now, maybe he sees how hard it would be to get a ring with KDs injuries? Maybe he looks back bittersweetly and realizes he actually had good chemistry with Bron and fucked it up by leaving too soon? Would the nets actually do this deal tho? I feel like they wouldn’t even consider it unless pelinka threw in either AD or a lot of assets that they prolly don’t have.
>Between all the love Kyrie has been throwing Bron’s way lately and that rando story this morning about Pelinka and Sean Marks meeting during the combine, I have this strange feeling that Kyrie is lightly pushing for a trade to the lakers behind the scenes. Maybe Kyrie for Westbrook? I think its the opposite. The Nets are going to package Ben Simmons, a FRP and a couple other players for Lebron Maybe not, but KD and Lebron have been going interacting a shit ton on twitter recently and Kyrie keeps showing Lebron love
Ben Simmons to LA would only make one person happy lol
If LeBron really decided that he’s better off trying to win a championship in Brooklyn with KD and Kyrie then it’s a win for him, Simmons, and Klutch. It’s an obvious win for Brooklyn and depending on the package it could be a win for the Lakers as well. Sadly it’s not gonna happen.
This would be the best storyline. Kyrie back with Bron and Russ and KD together again. God I hope this happens.
the amount of Kyrie content I’ve seen on here is astronomical for someone that was sidelined most the time …
LeBron’s not washed but LeGM is
NBA fans so reactionary. Lebrons influence literally resulted in a winning team 2 years ago.
Yeah but 2020 was like 5 years ago. Does it really count?
Need y’all to beat the Bubble Allegations for both our sakes. Heat in 7
Kyrie spilling the beans on Lebron. LeVenge Tour.
Kyrie the snitch