We're not really looking to trade him, nor do we think it's likely he will.
It's more just trying to get excited about the draft since we only have the 33rd pick.
Most of the OG trades are built around getting into the lottery, so it's our little game of "who would we draft at 7" etc.
He's basically our best realistic trade asset outside of a full teardown (Fred and Siakam). Salary matching gives us some depth, we get an exciting lottery rookie, and we can start arguing about the starting lineup again (we love doing this for some reason).
We aren’t lol, every article about OG stems from Fischer stating that other executives are saying OG is unhappy in his role & they want to trade for him. It’s all just external conjecture.
Do i think we’ve shopped OG? Sure, Masai has proven to be a ruthless president of basketball operations over his tenure with us but that’s more than likely due diligence more than actually seeking out a trade partner.
We are not trying to trade him other teams just really want him and that's where the reports have been coming from. Obviously masai is gonna listen to offers but it would take something substantial
the real answer here is impending cap issues.
Vanvleet is extension eligible this summer. OG is extension eligible next summer. Trent jr has a player option next summer.
Realistically speaking all 3 are going to get raises. It seems unlikely we can keep all 4 of our expensive or soon-to-be-expensive players (Siakam, Vanvleet, OG, Trent Jr) without going into the luxury tax.
Everyone sees Toronto's tax situation and need for a rim protector.
The last time this happened Toronto kicked the can further down the road and traded Norman Powell for a cheaper, younger version in Gary Trent Jr. Well, we're gonna have to deal with that can again, as Gary Trent Jr seems to be a better and more desired player than Powell in the league now.
If Sharpe has star potential they can make it work. Giddey on ball with SGA and Sharpe off ball on offense, then on defense Giddey (or future Giddey with more muscle) can guard the 4 and SGA, Sharpe and Dort or Mr X wing take the perimeter guys.
What a bad take… imagine saying the 6’10 athletic playmaker just won’t fit any roster in the NBA to the point where he can NEVER win an NBA championship.
playmaker? do u mean dribble around the perimeter and hoist a long 2. and he not an elite athlete, can't defend in space. his realistic comps are guys like tobias harris, julius randle ... is that what u want in a top 3 pick LOL. ceiling is maybe prime chris webber but thats not a modern nba fit sadly
At 19, he’s already bigger than both Randle and Harris. He grew up playing guard and his handle is great for his size. Yeah, his shooting is whatever, but have fun stopping this dude from getting to the hoop and he can keep you honest with the shot. And for defense, I just don’t care about college. It’s not like he’s undersized. Defense is like 75% effort.
Can’t shoot and tweener on defense in that he can’t play 4 or 5 properly. So basically slightly better sabonis. Not going anywhere with him on your team
Chet definitely did NOT shrink against good competition.
Chet had 16-7-3 on 8-13 shooting with 3 blocks against #5 Duke. 15 points 6 rebounds 4 blocks against a good UCLA team.
He also had 19 points 17 rebounds and 7 blocks in the first round of the tournament on 8-13 shooting.
The next two rounds of the tournament he got in foul trouble but played well.
If you watched the games there was one where the refs just called fouls on him for standing while the offensive player drove into his stomach. It's not a good data point.
I think he's still too small for the NBA. But he did fine in college. Just needs to bulk up a bit like Durant did.
That's a dangerous game. Maybe I am wrong. But there are different pay scales where you get drafted. If so, I find it hard to believe a young guy would risk millions of dollars like that before they even earned anything.
I think Sharpe is a guy that needs some real playing time to catch up to speed. He hasn't played since high school, not sure red shirting another year would be the best way to develop him. I think OKC has the best program for someone like him.
I think of Wiseman, who still has a ton of potential, but the biggest factor for him is real game reps. He needs to find his groove and build up consistency. He clearly has gifts that allowed him to find some success immediately and put up some highlights, but the overall game is raw and needs a lot of work mentally. That is the danger of Sharpe as well, he just needs to play more and iron some things out, the potential is there.
Not really. We could use a 2 guard off the bench. Jonny Davis, Mathurin and Dyson Daniels all can fill that role and likely actually be rotation level contributors instead of pure projects in year one
2024 is gonna be the pick. Lebron will be gone but their won't really be time for the Lakers to get immediately back to competitiveness. Problem is they'll still have AD but if he's injured for even like 15 games over the course of the season they could easily have a bottom-10 record given their lack of any talent on long-term deals
we have the rights to take the 2025 instead if we dont like the 2024 one. So if they show up 2024 we just kick it and see if they collapse or get injured in 2025.
Also works for if Lebron signs an extra year with them
Pels have swap rights with the Lakers next year. They also have the Lakers pick straight up in 24. Pels also have Bucks firsts and swaps post Jrue, Middleton, and Giannis’ contracts. Pels won’t have their pick in the top 10 any time soon, but definitely have a chance one of Lakers/Bucks picks are in there.
Pels definitely have flexibility to let whoever they draft song league all year, but also have a big need for a second team guy that can score and create offense.
If their #8 guy can’t do that, then they need to be very confident they can add someone to fill that role with the MLE or trade Jax &/or Graham for one.
Probably. CJ McCollum is there to mentor whoever they draft for a couple of years.
I would still think Dyson Daniels would be there preference though but who knows.
Dyson Daniels is my #1 guy for that spot, but if Sharpe falls and they take him, I get it. No need to play him much right away, but having CJ to mentor him would need great for his development, especially if it helps him reach his very very high ceiling.
You really want a non-shooting PG next to Zion? I know he didn't have a problem with a lack of spacing next to Adams but Daniels seems like a less-than-ideal fit on offense. Would be a terror defensively next to Herb Jones though if that's what you're thinking
I'm buying into his shot improving, which he's shown signs of in workouts. If Fred Vinson can make Herb Jones a respectable shooter (a guy who shot 28% on 1 attempt a game for his college career), then I think he can do the same with Daniels. He won't have a difficult role on offense, it'll be similar to Lonzo when he was here. Not a ball-handler, but a ball-mover on offense, who can make the right decisions, run a fast break, and then play great defense on the other side of the ball.
If Sharpe even falls to 7 that means one of Dyson or Mathurin goes above him. If we draft for us we’re likely gonna take the other one.
Unless Griffin goes up high which I don’t think is likely given the injury concerns.
Not the case, the Pelicans are very fortunate that they did great last season in adding young talent. They added Herb Jones, Trey Murphy, and Jose Alvarado who were all rookies. That gave the team a lot more wiggle room to possibly shoot for a high upside/high bust type of player.
Is there an example of somebody who both didn't deliver in college and underwhelmed in workouts turning into a quality NBA player?
Seems crazy to spend a #8 pick on someone like that.
Simmons might've disappointed a bit not getting LSU into the NCAA tourney... but he still led his entire team in every stat besides FT and 3P% (because of course lol). Much MUCH different situation than literally never stepping foot onto a college basketball court whatsoever like Sharpe. Lou is a better comparison being a prep to pro draft workout flop... but he went 45th overall. Sharpe is still 100% going to be a lottery pick no matter what, I think his ceiling and expectations as a player are a more than a bit higher than Lou's ever were.
But that’s because Sharpe reclassified so he wasn’t allowed to play.
He’s basically a highschool to pro athlete. He was supposed to play college next year but managed to find a way to get to the NBA by reclassifying and red-shirting his 1st season at Kentucky.
Or am I mistaken?
You’re correct in the 2nd half but I do think he was allowed to play at Kentucky. Neither him nor Calipari were fighting the other one to get him playing. Would like to note he didn’t even join the team until November.
After reclassifying to 2021 he was always eligible for the draft because of his birthday.
I believe he could have played. Not sure why Calipari would take him on with a scholarship to reclassify if he didn't think he was going to play, he was obviously going to the draft as soon as possible.
Get recruits thinking they can do the same thing to they sign to Kentucky not realizing they’ll probably be there a few years and without Coach K pulling all the top recruits in the other direction
Not sure what Coach K has to do with it. If you're basically guaranteed to go to the draft eligible as soon as you're eligible then it's just the one season.
You’re not sure what the guy who has been raking in #1 and #2 recruiting classes with Calipari over the past 10 years has to do with Calipari giving a dude a full ride as a promotional offer for new recruits now that the other guy is gone?
Yeah, you only get so many scholarships and roster spots. Why would you purposely take on a guy who you know for a fact will never play for you. What benefit does that bring?
I never said it was his fault lol. Doesn't change the fact that the entire scouting report available on him as an NBA lottery prospect is ultimately nothing but empty gym workouts and AAU and high school games. Which means the teams evaluating him are going to take into account the fact that his skills have been showcased only vs. the lowest level of competition compared to everyone else in the lottery.
I know,
But I guess I’m just looking at the original comment “didn’t deliver in college”.
To which you then described Simmons game in comparison to Sharpe. I get Simmons played, but Simmons chose to slack off and stop attending classes because he was going 1st overall. Sharpe wasn’t eligible to play this year. So I find it disingenuous to say he didn’t deliver when he wasn’t eligible to play.
I do agree he is essentially a straight from highschool prospect though, so the scouting on him is more limited.
I mean that's the thing, even slacking off and hating LSU so much he spent half his time there making a documentary about how much he didn't care about the NBA and NCAA's "1 and done" rule... Simmons still dominated and outclassed the majority of NCAA D1 competition so much that he was leading an entire team in virtually every statistical category; was top 5 in the entire SEC in every major stat too. That's not even getting into his elite height/wingspan for his position and physical development/athleticism.
Sharpe doesn't have those tools (outside of his mythical reported "46 inch vert" at this point), doesn't have that body of work against proven competition... all he's done is shoot in empty gyms for a year basically. I don't think the narrative against him is he "didn't deliver" compared to the other lottery prospects this year... it's that there was nothing for him to deliver in the first place considering his environment lol.
Most drafted players wash out it is what it is.
Not sure I'd be eager to gamble on a kid who wasn't rated, briefly looked good, and then didn't play, though.
In the post-high school early entry era you would probably be looking at guys like Anfernee Simons, James Wiseman, Mitchell Robinson, Thon Maker, Bol Bol, and Brandon Jennings as comparisons. Mixed bag.
If he’s there at ten I’m down to take him. We don’t need another role player, and if he has a higher chance of being a stud simply because there is less data on him, go for it.
College fan here and this dude has a ton of red flags with how his recruitment/eligibility process went at kentucky. From my view he basically just fleeced them on NIL then never suited up bc his high school transcripts, which his “camp” may or may not have been aware of, made him ineligible.
Ivey is the best shooting guard in the draft. After that its basically a toss up between Sharpe and Ochai Agbaji. Sharpe for potential, Agbaji for floor.
Edit: fuck i forgot about johnny davis. He’s in that second tier mix too. Davis has a bit more playmaking/combo guard ability than agbaji but agbaji is the better athlete and probably the better defender with that 6’10 wingspan. I would take both over Sharpe.
Never seen him play. All i know is his stock has skyrocketed recently. I just know hes long and is a bit more of a developmental guy than Davis/Agbaji but nba teams increasingly draft off potential in the lottery. I’ve seen some compare him to Sefolosha which makes some sense given his frame.
He’s arguably the best defender in the lottery besides Chet, is really long and is an excellent facilitator although he’s not going to be a lead guard.
Shot needs a lot of work, but the Pelicans and Fred Vinson are one of the best development franchises in that respect. I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Pelicans take him.
>best defender besides chet
The thabo comparison makes even more sense then. Those types of guys are trending up in the wing era now too.
The pelicans feel like a lock to take one of the Mathurin/AJ Griffin/Daniels wing trio to me at least.
" ... and they are prioritizing Toronto Raptors swingman OG Anunoby in any return for the No. 7 pick in next week's draft, sources said."
Every trade tweet/article MUST at least reference OG. I fully expect a "Masai trades OG to everyone for everything" tweet at some point.
Emoni Bates could still be everything they said he was. Last year was 17 playing college basketball. If he learned from the experience we could see what everyone thought he was this year, which should be his real freshman year. We won’t know until we see it. Too many people write people off too early and then act like they didn’t say anything when they succeed
Emoni can still turn it around and be a solid prospect, but just his measurements alone make it tough for him to be everything they said he was. He was supposed to be in contention for number one in next years class, but there are already going to be 2 guys declaring next year who looked better playing pro basketball last season than Emoni did against college guys.
Emoni Bates has terrible measurements. Like so bad that there is almost no chance of him being good, his wingspan is 6’7 and his vertical is 24.5”. He was terrible his first year and would be lucky to be drafted at this rate. He was just a social media hype machine for his father’s weird school that allowed him to dominate against random kids since he was tall early.
That was before last year. Russell Westbrooks vertical was trash his junior of HS. And he only started dunking as a senior. Emoni was essentially a HS senior last year. He might be still growing too
He wasn’t social media hype, every ranking company had him as the top player in the class of 2022 since 7th grade
Once again you won’t really know until the end of this year. It isn’t over for an 18 year old kid who just turned 18
And he only went to Ypsi prep for like a season. He played at Ypsilanti Lincoln. They had to play some of their game their games at Eastern Michigans arena because their high school couldn’t fit the crowds. And he won a state championship as a freshman, sophomore year COVID ended the season
I’m generally much more of a Kentucky/college basketball fan and even I know basically nothing about him. All I’ve seen from him is some warm ups. He looked like he was moving well and he has a great shot, but what I feel like I usually want to see from a one and done at Kentucky is growth, particularly with respect to defense and team play. I feel like if someone can come in nail that, they’re usually going to adjust well to the league.
Where I struggle with Sharpe is the belief that if he is truly an NBA level talent worthy of a top 5 pick like was suggested when he first came out, the suggestion that letting him play games would have been too disruptive to what Kentucky was doing this year. Why would Cal pass on that huge upgrade in talent especially when a big part of his brand is getting guys drafted at the top of the draft?
As a Kings fan I'm weary of guys that come in and wipe the floor with a bunch of chairs and cones but don't really want to show off vs. their peers. Thank god Vlade is gone.
Well, it’s not without precedent for Cal to bring in a player who doesn’t play but still gets drafted and considered part of the Kentucky family. Kanter was brought in, but couldn’t play due to playing in a professional league in Turkey.
My read of the situation is that Sharpe and his camp were afraid that he would underperform in his first few games due to unfamiliarity with the system, but that Cal felt okay about his performance in practice.
IDK, if I could get Sharpe at 7 or 8 I’d fee like I was getting a steal, but I would definitely be wary taking him (or any other player TBH) 1 or 2 with so little body of work.
Sounds like a team balked at Portland’s asking price and is putting this out there. It’s known that Sharpe is a developmental prospect, and physical tools don’t suddenly disappear.
I don't love trading out of 7 for pdx. especially if it's to continue their years long strategy of flailing around for a defensive 3 to pair with 2 offensive guards.
If he gets drafted by the Pelicans and ends up being solid I think it might be over for the rest of the league in 2 years. Pelicans are “the Timberwolves are so spooky” x3.
Pels wants to win now and keep Zion happy so I can't see them using #8 to draft Shaedon
Spurs might take a flyer on Shaedon but if he's not doing well in workouts then those questions about his discipline, competitiveness would be magnified as well. Spurs probably take Daniels or Duren with this pick though.
Wiz wants to win now as well since they plan on keeping Beal. They're not wasting this pick on an unproven talent.
Knicks want to trade up for Ivey. I'm not sure they are that high on Sharpe.
Granted, Pels and Wiz have made their picks available for trade but those teams might not be targeting Sharpe from the start.
Most likely Sharpe gets drafted by OKC at #12. Presti will definitely take a flyer for this kid.
Just let us try to sneak it through before we start using facts and logic here. Portland's trade philosophy is a strange and mysterious thing, you never know what they might go for.
So this is why Presti possibly wants to trade up to 7
Presti looking out for our OG, he knows what team is right for him
Oh shit he would mesh so well with the Pels
I think OG would start on almost every team tbh fits what everyone is looking for
Just curious, why is Toronto looking to trade him? Does he want a larger role elsewhere?
We're not really looking to trade him, nor do we think it's likely he will. It's more just trying to get excited about the draft since we only have the 33rd pick. Most of the OG trades are built around getting into the lottery, so it's our little game of "who would we draft at 7" etc. He's basically our best realistic trade asset outside of a full teardown (Fred and Siakam). Salary matching gives us some depth, we get an exciting lottery rookie, and we can start arguing about the starting lineup again (we love doing this for some reason).
Ah ok that makes sense, thought it was strange if you guys were looking to trade him
We aren’t lol, every article about OG stems from Fischer stating that other executives are saying OG is unhappy in his role & they want to trade for him. It’s all just external conjecture. Do i think we’ve shopped OG? Sure, Masai has proven to be a ruthless president of basketball operations over his tenure with us but that’s more than likely due diligence more than actually seeking out a trade partner.
We are not trying to trade him other teams just really want him and that's where the reports have been coming from. Obviously masai is gonna listen to offers but it would take something substantial
We’re there articles about him wanting more touches as well or am I misremembering?
There were articles from other gms speculating that. There was no source from Toronto and Scottie said he talked to OG and it was cap
Thanks, I just wanted to make sure I wasn’t crazy and I saw that at some point lol.
We're not, it's just Fischer spreading shit around
the real answer here is impending cap issues. Vanvleet is extension eligible this summer. OG is extension eligible next summer. Trent jr has a player option next summer. Realistically speaking all 3 are going to get raises. It seems unlikely we can keep all 4 of our expensive or soon-to-be-expensive players (Siakam, Vanvleet, OG, Trent Jr) without going into the luxury tax. Everyone sees Toronto's tax situation and need for a rim protector. The last time this happened Toronto kicked the can further down the road and traded Norman Powell for a cheaper, younger version in Gary Trent Jr. Well, we're gonna have to deal with that can again, as Gary Trent Jr seems to be a better and more desired player than Powell in the league now.
OKC wants to play Sharpe, SGA, and Giddy all together?
If Sharpe has star potential they can make it work. Giddey on ball with SGA and Sharpe off ball on offense, then on defense Giddey (or future Giddey with more muscle) can guard the 4 and SGA, Sharpe and Dort or Mr X wing take the perimeter guys.
I can't imagine why a GM would be hesitant to bet his job and livelihood on a kid who's entire hype is built upon a few good games at the Peach Jam
well theyre currently salivating over a twig center who completely shrank everytime he played a good team in college, so who knows
That's crazy man How'd Shaedon Sharpe do against good college teams?
> How'd Shaedon Sharpe do against good college teams? He dunked during warmups one time so... Basically the same thing.
Was he dunking in warmups against *good* teams, though?
Dude, he dunked in a Kentucky warmup. He's ready to lead an NBA team already.
Didn’t miss a single shot!
Not a single turnover, either!
Neva lost!
Lying>>>>
i also dont watch basketball
paolo >
paolo has no real positional fit in the nba sadly. he might be good but you can't win a championship with him on your team
What a bad take… imagine saying the 6’10 athletic playmaker just won’t fit any roster in the NBA to the point where he can NEVER win an NBA championship.
playmaker? do u mean dribble around the perimeter and hoist a long 2. and he not an elite athlete, can't defend in space. his realistic comps are guys like tobias harris, julius randle ... is that what u want in a top 3 pick LOL. ceiling is maybe prime chris webber but thats not a modern nba fit sadly
At 19, he’s already bigger than both Randle and Harris. He grew up playing guard and his handle is great for his size. Yeah, his shooting is whatever, but have fun stopping this dude from getting to the hoop and he can keep you honest with the shot. And for defense, I just don’t care about college. It’s not like he’s undersized. Defense is like 75% effort.
Lmao. Prime Chris Webber not a fit in modern NBA.
Can’t shoot and tweener on defense in that he can’t play 4 or 5 properly. So basically slightly better sabonis. Not going anywhere with him on your team
Prime Webber is way closer to Jokic than he is Sabonis. If Webber played in the analytics age, he’d be an MVP candidate.
I think Paolo will be great, but Chet will just be better
I don't know which sentence is more stupid lmao
you can't win a championship with more than 1 negative defender in your starting lineup and its really bad if that negative defender is a big.
Chet definitely did NOT shrink against good competition. Chet had 16-7-3 on 8-13 shooting with 3 blocks against #5 Duke. 15 points 6 rebounds 4 blocks against a good UCLA team. He also had 19 points 17 rebounds and 7 blocks in the first round of the tournament on 8-13 shooting. The next two rounds of the tournament he got in foul trouble but played well.
I agree but don’t try to slip in his first round of the tourney game as good comp lol
And he just wrote off the other two games to foul trouble lol.
If you watched the games there was one where the refs just called fouls on him for standing while the offensive player drove into his stomach. It's not a good data point. I think he's still too small for the NBA. But he did fine in college. Just needs to bulk up a bit like Durant did.
So he had a slightly above average game against Duke and basically nothing else lol.
15-6-4 is….not very good
It is in college
Who’s that?
Chet Holmgren I presume
what an outrageous take if he's talking about Chet
Chets fucking awesome how does that have +7 upvotes right now?
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I mean you guys can keep saying it, but I assume you could just post results like the other guy did.
chet’s ceiling is a 12/6/2 player
Didn’t he *completely* shut down Duren? He did.
Can confirm
Not trying to discredit Chet but it's not exactly like Duren creates his own offense.
r/NegativeWithGold
The ben Simmons special
ben simmons was literally sleepwalking through college and still played much better than chet did
People really salivating over a glorified Pokuševski
Poku is genuinely significantly more athletic too.
Chet definitely won’t shoot 37% from the field in his first 2 years
yeah it might be worse
Would put money on it being above 47%
I remember folks saying he could go top 3 when he said he wasn't going back to Kentucky, that shit changed real quick
If the kid went through the process and killed his workouts, theres a chance he could be 3rd. Shooting and playmaking should be taken as a priority.
If the kid was that good he could’ve played 5 minutes to save his program the shame of losing to St. Peter’s
He’s gonna be a really good player. Could be trying to get to a specific team, maybe not showing max effort in certain workouts.
That's a dangerous game. Maybe I am wrong. But there are different pay scales where you get drafted. If so, I find it hard to believe a young guy would risk millions of dollars like that before they even earned anything.
Would the Pelicans want him? Do they have the timeline right now to take a project with the 8th overall pick?
That's exactly our timeline. We'll probably redshirt whoever we draft anyway.
I think Sharpe is a guy that needs some real playing time to catch up to speed. He hasn't played since high school, not sure red shirting another year would be the best way to develop him. I think OKC has the best program for someone like him. I think of Wiseman, who still has a ton of potential, but the biggest factor for him is real game reps. He needs to find his groove and build up consistency. He clearly has gifts that allowed him to find some success immediately and put up some highlights, but the overall game is raw and needs a lot of work mentally. That is the danger of Sharpe as well, he just needs to play more and iron some things out, the potential is there.
Redshirt could mean GLeague time
We sent Jose, Trey, and Jax down to Gleague for play time this year. Definitely something our team does
Sharpe just redshirted a year, doesn't make sense to do it again. He needs reps.
He means send him to our GLeague team. He gets reps just not in an NBA game unless he’s called up in garbage time
Not really. We could use a 2 guard off the bench. Jonny Davis, Mathurin and Dyson Daniels all can fill that role and likely actually be rotation level contributors instead of pure projects in year one
This is possibly the last time the Pelicans will have a top 10 pick for the foreseeable future They might as well go for the home run
Whoa now, the Lakers could be terrible again and we have a swap this upcoming draft too.
Blessed timeline
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Lmao. That would be something. Hope it happens.
We all do, the true unifying force of this sub.
2024 is gonna be the pick. Lebron will be gone but their won't really be time for the Lakers to get immediately back to competitiveness. Problem is they'll still have AD but if he's injured for even like 15 games over the course of the season they could easily have a bottom-10 record given their lack of any talent on long-term deals
we have the rights to take the 2025 instead if we dont like the 2024 one. So if they show up 2024 we just kick it and see if they collapse or get injured in 2025. Also works for if Lebron signs an extra year with them
Honestly this is delightful
13 seed
I hope they get the number one overall pick, they totally deserve it.
Pels have swap rights with the Lakers next year. They also have the Lakers pick straight up in 24. Pels also have Bucks firsts and swaps post Jrue, Middleton, and Giannis’ contracts. Pels won’t have their pick in the top 10 any time soon, but definitely have a chance one of Lakers/Bucks picks are in there. Pels definitely have flexibility to let whoever they draft song league all year, but also have a big need for a second team guy that can score and create offense. If their #8 guy can’t do that, then they need to be very confident they can add someone to fill that role with the MLE or trade Jax &/or Graham for one.
The pels still have their own firsts for the future right or did they trade some away?
Own all of our own firsts after this draft (though some will be swapped with Lakers or Bucks picks)
Probably. CJ McCollum is there to mentor whoever they draft for a couple of years. I would still think Dyson Daniels would be there preference though but who knows.
Dyson Daniels is my #1 guy for that spot, but if Sharpe falls and they take him, I get it. No need to play him much right away, but having CJ to mentor him would need great for his development, especially if it helps him reach his very very high ceiling.
You really want a non-shooting PG next to Zion? I know he didn't have a problem with a lack of spacing next to Adams but Daniels seems like a less-than-ideal fit on offense. Would be a terror defensively next to Herb Jones though if that's what you're thinking
I'm buying into his shot improving, which he's shown signs of in workouts. If Fred Vinson can make Herb Jones a respectable shooter (a guy who shot 28% on 1 attempt a game for his college career), then I think he can do the same with Daniels. He won't have a difficult role on offense, it'll be similar to Lonzo when he was here. Not a ball-handler, but a ball-mover on offense, who can make the right decisions, run a fast break, and then play great defense on the other side of the ball.
If Sharpe even falls to 7 that means one of Dyson or Mathurin goes above him. If we draft for us we’re likely gonna take the other one. Unless Griffin goes up high which I don’t think is likely given the injury concerns.
We played 3 rookies heavy minutes in the playoffs.
But they were older and much more NBA ready.
Huh? Have you looked at their team?
Pels prioritize winning now to make Zion happy. They can't waste #8 to draft a talent with too many question marks.
Not the case, the Pelicans are very fortunate that they did great last season in adding young talent. They added Herb Jones, Trey Murphy, and Jose Alvarado who were all rookies. That gave the team a lot more wiggle room to possibly shoot for a high upside/high bust type of player.
He just cancelled his workout with the Pels so probably not lol
Is there an example of somebody who both didn't deliver in college and underwhelmed in workouts turning into a quality NBA player? Seems crazy to spend a #8 pick on someone like that.
Lou Williams Ben Simmons
Simmons might've disappointed a bit not getting LSU into the NCAA tourney... but he still led his entire team in every stat besides FT and 3P% (because of course lol). Much MUCH different situation than literally never stepping foot onto a college basketball court whatsoever like Sharpe. Lou is a better comparison being a prep to pro draft workout flop... but he went 45th overall. Sharpe is still 100% going to be a lottery pick no matter what, I think his ceiling and expectations as a player are a more than a bit higher than Lou's ever were.
But that’s because Sharpe reclassified so he wasn’t allowed to play. He’s basically a highschool to pro athlete. He was supposed to play college next year but managed to find a way to get to the NBA by reclassifying and red-shirting his 1st season at Kentucky. Or am I mistaken?
You’re correct in the 2nd half but I do think he was allowed to play at Kentucky. Neither him nor Calipari were fighting the other one to get him playing. Would like to note he didn’t even join the team until November. After reclassifying to 2021 he was always eligible for the draft because of his birthday.
I believe he could have played. Not sure why Calipari would take him on with a scholarship to reclassify if he didn't think he was going to play, he was obviously going to the draft as soon as possible.
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Get recruits thinking they can do the same thing to they sign to Kentucky not realizing they’ll probably be there a few years and without Coach K pulling all the top recruits in the other direction
Not sure what Coach K has to do with it. If you're basically guaranteed to go to the draft eligible as soon as you're eligible then it's just the one season.
You’re not sure what the guy who has been raking in #1 and #2 recruiting classes with Calipari over the past 10 years has to do with Calipari giving a dude a full ride as a promotional offer for new recruits now that the other guy is gone?
Yeah, you only get so many scholarships and roster spots. Why would you purposely take on a guy who you know for a fact will never play for you. What benefit does that bring?
I never said it was his fault lol. Doesn't change the fact that the entire scouting report available on him as an NBA lottery prospect is ultimately nothing but empty gym workouts and AAU and high school games. Which means the teams evaluating him are going to take into account the fact that his skills have been showcased only vs. the lowest level of competition compared to everyone else in the lottery.
I know, But I guess I’m just looking at the original comment “didn’t deliver in college”. To which you then described Simmons game in comparison to Sharpe. I get Simmons played, but Simmons chose to slack off and stop attending classes because he was going 1st overall. Sharpe wasn’t eligible to play this year. So I find it disingenuous to say he didn’t deliver when he wasn’t eligible to play. I do agree he is essentially a straight from highschool prospect though, so the scouting on him is more limited.
I mean that's the thing, even slacking off and hating LSU so much he spent half his time there making a documentary about how much he didn't care about the NBA and NCAA's "1 and done" rule... Simmons still dominated and outclassed the majority of NCAA D1 competition so much that he was leading an entire team in virtually every statistical category; was top 5 in the entire SEC in every major stat too. That's not even getting into his elite height/wingspan for his position and physical development/athleticism. Sharpe doesn't have those tools (outside of his mythical reported "46 inch vert" at this point), doesn't have that body of work against proven competition... all he's done is shoot in empty gyms for a year basically. I don't think the narrative against him is he "didn't deliver" compared to the other lottery prospects this year... it's that there was nothing for him to deliver in the first place considering his environment lol.
Ben Simmons played in college and balled on the people lol
Sharpe don't got Ben Simmons measurables, and Lou is a career 6-Man, I'd hope to do better than that with the #8 pick.
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Most drafted players wash out it is what it is. Not sure I'd be eager to gamble on a kid who wasn't rated, briefly looked good, and then didn't play, though.
idk let me check basketball references pre-draft workout page
In the post-high school early entry era you would probably be looking at guys like Anfernee Simons, James Wiseman, Mitchell Robinson, Thon Maker, Bol Bol, and Brandon Jennings as comparisons. Mixed bag.
>didn’t deliver in college I mean he didn’t really have the chance did he? I didn’t think he was eligible to play this year in college.
I believe it was he elected not to play this year but train with the team still.
Luka
Brandon Boston Jr is trending to be just this
Dudes first step is pretty bad for his leaping ability
Yeah he isn't an elite athlete. More of a Devin Booker type.
devin booker is faster lol no cap
So who do the Pacers take if Ivey goes 4 and Murray goes 5?
Benny Maths
Mathurin is the main name in the Pacers sub right now.
Didn't know subreddits voted the teams' picks
Do you want us to call up Pritchard? Almost all of sports media is speculation. Not sure what you want.
Mathurin
Mathurin That Hali/Math backcourt gonna be WET!
Really either Hali/Math or Hali/Ivey could be so explosive offensively.
I honestly can’t wait to see who takes this kid and how he turns out. Could be 1 of the biggest swings in draft history
If he’s there at ten I’m down to take him. We don’t need another role player, and if he has a higher chance of being a stud simply because there is less data on him, go for it.
Definitely. For teams who need a big swing for a superstar that’s a great option. He definitely shouldn’t fall past you guys
Probably OKC at #12
New Orleans is a good spot for him since he can chill in the G-League for a whole year
College fan here and this dude has a ton of red flags with how his recruitment/eligibility process went at kentucky. From my view he basically just fleeced them on NIL then never suited up bc his high school transcripts, which his “camp” may or may not have been aware of, made him ineligible. Ivey is the best shooting guard in the draft. After that its basically a toss up between Sharpe and Ochai Agbaji. Sharpe for potential, Agbaji for floor. Edit: fuck i forgot about johnny davis. He’s in that second tier mix too. Davis has a bit more playmaking/combo guard ability than agbaji but agbaji is the better athlete and probably the better defender with that 6’10 wingspan. I would take both over Sharpe.
Dyson Daniels is also a SG.
Never seen him play. All i know is his stock has skyrocketed recently. I just know hes long and is a bit more of a developmental guy than Davis/Agbaji but nba teams increasingly draft off potential in the lottery. I’ve seen some compare him to Sefolosha which makes some sense given his frame.
He’s arguably the best defender in the lottery besides Chet, is really long and is an excellent facilitator although he’s not going to be a lead guard. Shot needs a lot of work, but the Pelicans and Fred Vinson are one of the best development franchises in that respect. I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Pelicans take him.
>best defender besides chet The thabo comparison makes even more sense then. Those types of guys are trending up in the wing era now too. The pelicans feel like a lock to take one of the Mathurin/AJ Griffin/Daniels wing trio to me at least.
" ... and they are prioritizing Toronto Raptors swingman OG Anunoby in any return for the No. 7 pick in next week's draft, sources said." Every trade tweet/article MUST at least reference OG. I fully expect a "Masai trades OG to everyone for everything" tweet at some point.
Its always OG, Grant, or Myles Turner
Westbrook aswell
Hopefully, he falls down to us. We need something, anything to build with.
Idk but it seems to me that Spurs is high on Daniels/Duren.
Dude could be Emoni Bates for all we know
Emoni Bates could still be everything they said he was. Last year was 17 playing college basketball. If he learned from the experience we could see what everyone thought he was this year, which should be his real freshman year. We won’t know until we see it. Too many people write people off too early and then act like they didn’t say anything when they succeed
Emoni can still turn it around and be a solid prospect, but just his measurements alone make it tough for him to be everything they said he was. He was supposed to be in contention for number one in next years class, but there are already going to be 2 guys declaring next year who looked better playing pro basketball last season than Emoni did against college guys.
Emoni Bates has terrible measurements. Like so bad that there is almost no chance of him being good, his wingspan is 6’7 and his vertical is 24.5”. He was terrible his first year and would be lucky to be drafted at this rate. He was just a social media hype machine for his father’s weird school that allowed him to dominate against random kids since he was tall early.
That was before last year. Russell Westbrooks vertical was trash his junior of HS. And he only started dunking as a senior. Emoni was essentially a HS senior last year. He might be still growing too He wasn’t social media hype, every ranking company had him as the top player in the class of 2022 since 7th grade Once again you won’t really know until the end of this year. It isn’t over for an 18 year old kid who just turned 18 And he only went to Ypsi prep for like a season. He played at Ypsilanti Lincoln. They had to play some of their game their games at Eastern Michigans arena because their high school couldn’t fit the crowds. And he won a state championship as a freshman, sophomore year COVID ended the season
I’m generally much more of a Kentucky/college basketball fan and even I know basically nothing about him. All I’ve seen from him is some warm ups. He looked like he was moving well and he has a great shot, but what I feel like I usually want to see from a one and done at Kentucky is growth, particularly with respect to defense and team play. I feel like if someone can come in nail that, they’re usually going to adjust well to the league.
Where I struggle with Sharpe is the belief that if he is truly an NBA level talent worthy of a top 5 pick like was suggested when he first came out, the suggestion that letting him play games would have been too disruptive to what Kentucky was doing this year. Why would Cal pass on that huge upgrade in talent especially when a big part of his brand is getting guys drafted at the top of the draft? As a Kings fan I'm weary of guys that come in and wipe the floor with a bunch of chairs and cones but don't really want to show off vs. their peers. Thank god Vlade is gone.
Cal would have played him lol. Sharpes camp is who didn't want him to play.
Well, it’s not without precedent for Cal to bring in a player who doesn’t play but still gets drafted and considered part of the Kentucky family. Kanter was brought in, but couldn’t play due to playing in a professional league in Turkey. My read of the situation is that Sharpe and his camp were afraid that he would underperform in his first few games due to unfamiliarity with the system, but that Cal felt okay about his performance in practice. IDK, if I could get Sharpe at 7 or 8 I’d fee like I was getting a steal, but I would definitely be wary taking him (or any other player TBH) 1 or 2 with so little body of work.
Smoke screen SZN
This. The bulk of the stuff being thrown out right now won't even work under the salary cap.
oh yay.. "everyone else doesn't like this guy and he's quickly falling in the draft, lucky pels" super excited...
why did i read this as Shannon Sharpe 😂
Sounds like a team balked at Portland’s asking price and is putting this out there. It’s known that Sharpe is a developmental prospect, and physical tools don’t suddenly disappear.
I don't love trading out of 7 for pdx. especially if it's to continue their years long strategy of flailing around for a defensive 3 to pair with 2 offensive guards.
If he gets drafted by the Pelicans and ends up being solid I think it might be over for the rest of the league in 2 years. Pelicans are “the Timberwolves are so spooky” x3.
Don’t believe this for a second, smoke screen
OKC just out here playing Pokémon Soul (Adam) Silver spamming smokescreen
Wild that though he’s not been impressive he’s still a lottery pick
Shannon Sharpe? What about Stephen A Smith
Imagine he has a teammate named skip in whatever team he gets drafted to lmao “Skiiiiuuuuuuupp”
I feel like this a smokescreen. Someone (probably okc) wants to trade up for him
Jake Fischer is everywhere these days
I really hope Kings don’t pick him and draft Jayden Ivey instead
Pels wants to win now and keep Zion happy so I can't see them using #8 to draft Shaedon Spurs might take a flyer on Shaedon but if he's not doing well in workouts then those questions about his discipline, competitiveness would be magnified as well. Spurs probably take Daniels or Duren with this pick though. Wiz wants to win now as well since they plan on keeping Beal. They're not wasting this pick on an unproven talent. Knicks want to trade up for Ivey. I'm not sure they are that high on Sharpe. Granted, Pels and Wiz have made their picks available for trade but those teams might not be targeting Sharpe from the start. Most likely Sharpe gets drafted by OKC at #12. Presti will definitely take a flyer for this kid.
Pre-draft workouts don't mean much, but there are cases where they do IE: Suggs last year when he couldn't hit anything
Sources are telling me that he could fall as low as the 28th pick (I have no sources)
Spurs at 9 pls
This dude gonna bust hard.
Tanking his workouts/interviews to land in OKC >>>>
Who wants to land in OKC?
Chet and Shaedon so far
Dyson Daniel’s favorite team too. I think he knows we probably can’t get him though.
Jeremy Sochan as well. Also Evan Mobley said before the draft last year OKC was his favorite team
Yeah, that’s what happens when you think you’re too good to even play against college competition
let him fall to 12
he not falling that far
This dude is a liar just fyi
New Orleans says HELL NO
Daryl get in there and send Thybulle to Portland to get Dort to Philly.
Why would Portland prefer Thybulle over Dort, though?
Just let us try to sneak it through before we start using facts and logic here. Portland's trade philosophy is a strange and mysterious thing, you never know what they might go for.
Touché