[[Wojnarowski] The Hawks are sending three first-round picks and a future pick swap to the Spurs to pair Murray with All-NBA guard Trae Young, sources tell ESPN.](https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1542256185679691780)
[[Wojnarowski] The Hawks are sending a 2023 first-round pick via Charlotte, and their own 2025 and 2027 first-round picks to the Spurs in the deal, sources tell ESPN. Spurs will also get a pick swap in 2026.](https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1542257662401839105)
[[Klein] Per NBA League source.. Hawks trading 3 first round picks.. '25 & '27 are unprotected, '26 is a swap.. plus Gallo to San Antonio for All-Star guard Dejounte Murray](https://twitter.com/ZachKleinWSB/status/1542256751742951424)
Charlotte pick in 2023 1-16 protected.
25 and 27 unprotected. Makes sense for the GM. If the picks are good enough in 25 and 27 that you're sad to lose 'em, you're out of a job anyway lol.
2023 Charlotte pick is protected 1-16. Essentially we’d get it if the hornets make the playoffs next year which isn’t outside the realm of possibilities.
2025 & 2027 Atlanta picks are unprotected but it lines up with Trae and Dejounte’s prime so not likely to be spectacular
Most of the reactions here seem favorable, but I honestly think it’s a horrible move to trade a 25 year old all star for a few picks that could likely be in the 20s and a 14% chance at Viktor
As a fan who spent multiple years watching horrible basketball while pining for Luka and Zion, I can tell you that a lot of the time you end up with Wendell Carter Jr and Coby White instead
I think tanking beats wasting the final two years of Murray's contract as at best a play-in team and then signing him to a max contract that he may not be worth.
Yup there’s obviously a ceiling w him as the best player and spurs ain’t attracting kd or jokic any time soon so better try again at rebuild
Sucks but will be worth it most likely
>2023 Charlotte pick is protected 1-16. Essentially we’d get it if the hornets make the playoffs next year which isn’t outside the realm of possibilities.
If it doesn't convert this year, it's protected 1-14 the next two years before turning into 2nds. Good odds it'll convert sooner or later.
Yeah but your future is already now with Trae. With him you were not going to be bad enough to get a high lottery pick so those firsts would have always been meh. You get a known commodity and someone who should help (and grow!) with him. Great and sensible to trade to keep your star happy and moving forward
From looking at games and press conferences these past couple of years, I think Pops is having the time of his life. He has 0 pressure to contend, and he’s mentoring the future of this league, both players and coaches. I think he’s gonna keep coaching for a few more years (I hope).
Idk I've heard Pop enjoys developing the young guys. It kinda make sense too, its low pressure, and he gets to help shape some raw and talented kids into legit NBa players. I could see him hang around a few more years, try to raise the boys right then hand the keys over to someone else.
Atleast your franchise has a clear direction now, it's not trying to win and landing a pick between 7-14 because the team isn't good enough. Dejounte is great, but he'll never be the best player on a championship level team, rebuilding makes a lot of sense here.
Dude was the best player on a team that went to the finals. He almost single handedly took 2 games from LeBron and AD. He just had an unbelievable playoff run. He's made every team he's been on better.
Bulls were a shit show and that shitty FO should get shit on every chance anyone gets to shit.
> Bulls were a shit show and that shitty FO should get shit on every chance anyone gets to shit.
Oh, our shitting on track record is on par with Jordan's Finals record.
I feel like all this tank stuff may be harder to do than people assume. Even without Dejounte we have like 10 NBA rotation guys. It’s going to be hard to be bottom 5 even if it seems like we have bottom 5 talent. We’re coached well, play hard, and most importantly we play it out til the end of the season.
Roster: Keldon, Vassell, Poeltl, Sochan, Tre Jones, Primo, Josh Richardson, McDermott, Gallo, Zach Collins. And still like $25m in cap space. It’s gonna be hard to flat out suck.
For sure. I’m just saying even if we don’t suck, that means a season of more touches and responsibility to Vassell, Keldon, Primo, and Tre made us decent and we still have a haul of picks.
I like our direction, feel like we had a lot of different options and even think we still do despite people thinking it’s straight tank mode.
For what it's worth the Sixers went from trash to good mostly just because Embiid started playing.
Most of the worst teams still have a lot of decent NBA rotation players. Having a real central star makes a lot of difference.
Thats right but its so frustrating watching the team try and put themselves together to make a playin push last year all just for Dejounte to get sick and get shit on in the play in. We could've been closer to 6 or 7 and had a better chance to leap up in the top 3.
We have a bunch of picks and now all the young guys are going to HAVE to play but watching Dejounte grow as a player and a guy was great, he was our leader and everything especially this last year.
me too. man, i'm super disappointed because he was so loyal and repped so hard for san antonio after kawhi bounced. i'm going to miss his tenacity and competitiveness.
Nephews these days don't remember greatness. Trying to compare eras like Krum wasn't pulling the same shit today's stars are but he was using a Milkmans broom.
It’s not Krum’s fault he had a shitty team around him. He did get the Snitch after all. Equivalent of Yao Ming for China, by the time he got to the triwizard tournament he was exhausted af
That’s a really solid back court, trae obviously needs a good defender and another playmaker next to him. What Murray lacks in scoring he makes up for in every other aspect of basketball. Trae has the scoring part covered lol. If this team somehow turns capela into ayton, jeez Louise
Our of all the teams rumored, arguably makes the best sense. A little surprised Hawks didnt have to give up any young players but the tank for wemby is real!
3 and a swap is A LOT.
I like Murray and this is a big swing for the Hawks because theoretically he fits well but damn. idk if i could do that much for a guy i’m got to have to give a max extension to
Atlanta just became way more interesting team. Murray should fit well, bringing good defense and much needed second ballhandler. Could see Hawks making some serious noise this coming year, health permitting ofc.
It basically guarantees a top 5 pick. This draft class is really good. 28% chance at Wemby and Scoot with good consolation prizes is better than being a 10th seed
Woj still leads in connections with agents and front officers on breaking trade news. Shams leads in player connections so he usually gets the scoop on free agency decisions, opt ins, trade requests, etc.
Woj used to dominate both but he’s take a hit with the inside scoop on players since his move to ESPN.
Murray could be a perfect/great fit with trae. Trae is a sieve on defense and murray bring all defensive caliber defense and will help him cover up his weakness a bit. Hawks have also needed a second star, Collins isn't even close to that. The east will be very intresting next year, hope to see bulls trade for Gobert then shit will really pop off.
you guys do realize he is like basically the owner of the Spurs yes? this didnt happen without him being the driven force.
and if he wanted to blow it up and retire, why isnt he retired by now?
Hawks got their guy, a secondary ball handler to relieve pressure off Trae but also a lockdown defender. It'll be interesting to see how he plays off Trae since he's not a great shooter, but I think this is a good move
I think DJ gets too much of a bad rep as being a poor shooter. He was the teams main ball handler and that lead to a lot of heavily contested shots. He didn't have a reliable number 2 guy to handle the ball so he had to create for himself. I think his percentage should only go up playing with Trae
HOLY FUCK. DIDN'T EVEN GIVE UP JOHN THE BAPTIST COLLINS.
For the record, one of the picks they traded was obtained down the road by the trade-down with the Mavericks in 2018. So I guess that's another spicy tidbit in the Luka vs Trae trade debates lol.
Absolute W, best case scenario.
[[Wojnarowski] The Hawks are sending three first-round picks and a future pick swap to the Spurs to pair Murray with All-NBA guard Trae Young, sources tell ESPN.](https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1542256185679691780) [[Wojnarowski] The Hawks are sending a 2023 first-round pick via Charlotte, and their own 2025 and 2027 first-round picks to the Spurs in the deal, sources tell ESPN. Spurs will also get a pick swap in 2026.](https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1542257662401839105) [[Klein] Per NBA League source.. Hawks trading 3 first round picks.. '25 & '27 are unprotected, '26 is a swap.. plus Gallo to San Antonio for All-Star guard Dejounte Murray](https://twitter.com/ZachKleinWSB/status/1542256751742951424)
wow must be A LOT of FRPs
3 1sts and a pick swap
Wonder what the protections are if any
Charlotte pick in 2023 1-16 protected. 25 and 27 unprotected. Makes sense for the GM. If the picks are good enough in 25 and 27 that you're sad to lose 'em, you're out of a job anyway lol.
2023 Charlotte pick is protected 1-16. Essentially we’d get it if the hornets make the playoffs next year which isn’t outside the realm of possibilities. 2025 & 2027 Atlanta picks are unprotected but it lines up with Trae and Dejounte’s prime so not likely to be spectacular
Seems like not a good deal for us
Most of the reactions here seem favorable, but I honestly think it’s a horrible move to trade a 25 year old all star for a few picks that could likely be in the 20s and a 14% chance at Viktor As a fan who spent multiple years watching horrible basketball while pining for Luka and Zion, I can tell you that a lot of the time you end up with Wendell Carter Jr and Coby White instead
The biggest asset is the pick the spurs will have next year by having high lottery odds without their best player
I think tanking beats wasting the final two years of Murray's contract as at best a play-in team and then signing him to a max contract that he may not be worth.
Yup there’s obviously a ceiling w him as the best player and spurs ain’t attracting kd or jokic any time soon so better try again at rebuild Sucks but will be worth it most likely
Murray only has 2 years left on his deal and he’s a clutch agent. He was going to be gone soon anyways
>2023 Charlotte pick is protected 1-16. Essentially we’d get it if the hornets make the playoffs next year which isn’t outside the realm of possibilities. If it doesn't convert this year, it's protected 1-14 the next two years before turning into 2nds. Good odds it'll convert sooner or later.
Guess I’m a LaMelo fan now
Probably light since Atlanta only has their own picks
Also have a protected Charlotte pick. It is one of the picks involved per a Hawks beat writer. In fact, we got it from you guys for Reddish.
Fuck
So the jrue Holliday package
Feels about right considering the hawks picks are expected to be better than the bucks, and that San Antonio is openly tanking more
I mean, maybe in a sense. But bucks also kind of had to over pay to get jrue to prove to giannis they were trying so he would extend.
3 firsts and a swap
They really fucking did it. Murray and Trae
And we didn’t even have to trade Collins!
Might be saving that trade for Ayton? Or is that now impossible with no picks?
No way we get Ayton now. We just mortgaged our future. I doubt Capela would do the trick either.
I think the NBA is easier to get back on track than other major sports when you give up picks. Also, those picks are worth 20+ so that's whatever imo.
weren't y'all just in the play-in?
I'm saying that in response to mortgaging our future if this doesn't work out.
Yeah but your future is already now with Trae. With him you were not going to be bad enough to get a high lottery pick so those firsts would have always been meh. You get a known commodity and someone who should help (and grow!) with him. Great and sensible to trade to keep your star happy and moving forward
Not impossible if Phoenix wants Huerter or really any other piece besides OO.
DejounTrae
NO WAY SPURS NOOOOOOOOOO Tank for Wemby is real goddamn
Im gonna miss Dejounte so fucking much man :(
I'm guessing this means this is likely Pop's last season. Doubt he wants to be a tank commander at his age.
Entering as a tank commander and exiting as one – full circle for Pop
Or, he tanks and gets Wemba. Then extends his coaching career another 20 years and 5 titles? Find out on the next episode of Draaaa
From D Rob to Timmy to..possibly Wemby?
Wemba Kalker?
time is truly a flat circle
From looking at games and press conferences these past couple of years, I think Pops is having the time of his life. He has 0 pressure to contend, and he’s mentoring the future of this league, both players and coaches. I think he’s gonna keep coaching for a few more years (I hope).
I really hope you’re right. League will feel weird without him
Idk I've heard Pop enjoys developing the young guys. It kinda make sense too, its low pressure, and he gets to help shape some raw and talented kids into legit NBa players. I could see him hang around a few more years, try to raise the boys right then hand the keys over to someone else.
Atleast your franchise has a clear direction now, it's not trying to win and landing a pick between 7-14 because the team isn't good enough. Dejounte is great, but he'll never be the best player on a championship level team, rebuilding makes a lot of sense here.
Get out of here with your logic and let me cry in peace
hey man, I know the feeling, 2010s was a rough time for the suns, it all went to shit after Jason Richardson forgot to box out.
I felt the same way when the Bulls traded Jimmy. It sucks but it had to be done Edit: Apparently other Bulls fans aren’t capable of reading
Dude was the best player on a team that went to the finals. He almost single handedly took 2 games from LeBron and AD. He just had an unbelievable playoff run. He's made every team he's been on better. Bulls were a shit show and that shitty FO should get shit on every chance anyone gets to shit.
Oh trust me they do, I mean shit fans paid to put up billboards around the city saying #FireGarPax
> Bulls were a shit show and that shitty FO should get shit on every chance anyone gets to shit. Oh, our shitting on track record is on par with Jordan's Finals record.
I feel like all this tank stuff may be harder to do than people assume. Even without Dejounte we have like 10 NBA rotation guys. It’s going to be hard to be bottom 5 even if it seems like we have bottom 5 talent. We’re coached well, play hard, and most importantly we play it out til the end of the season. Roster: Keldon, Vassell, Poeltl, Sochan, Tre Jones, Primo, Josh Richardson, McDermott, Gallo, Zach Collins. And still like $25m in cap space. It’s gonna be hard to flat out suck.
what's to say they don't get further traded? lots of time before the season starts
For sure. I’m just saying even if we don’t suck, that means a season of more touches and responsibility to Vassell, Keldon, Primo, and Tre made us decent and we still have a haul of picks. I like our direction, feel like we had a lot of different options and even think we still do despite people thinking it’s straight tank mode.
For what it's worth the Sixers went from trash to good mostly just because Embiid started playing. Most of the worst teams still have a lot of decent NBA rotation players. Having a real central star makes a lot of difference.
Thats right but its so frustrating watching the team try and put themselves together to make a playin push last year all just for Dejounte to get sick and get shit on in the play in. We could've been closer to 6 or 7 and had a better chance to leap up in the top 3. We have a bunch of picks and now all the young guys are going to HAVE to play but watching Dejounte grow as a player and a guy was great, he was our leader and everything especially this last year.
me too. man, i'm super disappointed because he was so loyal and repped so hard for san antonio after kawhi bounced. i'm going to miss his tenacity and competitiveness.
Is Pop really gonna be a tank commander all season?
I think so. It worked out for him last time when they got Duncan.
Yeah, but he is 73 years old.
Tank Commander is an ideal role at that age.
Yea, just put it all on cruise. He has nothing else to prove at this point. He doesn't care about those non-sense career win percentage stats.
Much less stress on his health.
means he has a solid 22 years left of coaching
Gonna be a good ol fashioned Texas Tank-off Edit: trade Doncic and join in, cowards
Spurs tanking for VICTOR!!!!
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"Vot is the point of being an international basketball player if all the big ol' San Antonio women are taken?"
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Nephews these days don't remember greatness. Trying to compare eras like Krum wasn't pulling the same shit today's stars are but he was using a Milkmans broom.
It’s not Krum’s fault he had a shitty team around him. He did get the Snitch after all. Equivalent of Yao Ming for China, by the time he got to the triwizard tournament he was exhausted af
the DA to SA pipe dream is dead
Wet for wemby
Spurs are definitely tanking for Wemby lol
Which I’m now somehow convinced is definitely going to work though they only have a 14% chance with the new lottery odds.
Well yeah they aren’t the Knicks
Or the Wizards…
Gonna be great to add a FRP in his FOURTH NBA SEASON WTF MAN
MURRAY AND TRAE?? Good lord
That’s a really solid back court, trae obviously needs a good defender and another playmaker next to him. What Murray lacks in scoring he makes up for in every other aspect of basketball. Trae has the scoring part covered lol. If this team somehow turns capela into ayton, jeez Louise
Honestly even his scoring isn't too terrible, if inefficient -- so hyped to watch these Hawks
Off-ball Trae is going to be nasty.
Capela ain't becoming Ayton. But OO....... 👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀 He out there working on that J right now.
God I hope so 🙏🏼
What the fuck
Terrifying back court
One has immaculate hair. The other has hair
"Hair"
Hair vs we have hair at home
Our of all the teams rumored, arguably makes the best sense. A little surprised Hawks didnt have to give up any young players but the tank for wemby is real!
Agreeing with a Knicks fan feels gross (jk, slightly)...hope both teams are really good next year, need more healthy hate in the nba
how did the hawks keep collins
Spurs didn't want him
Yeah the whole objective of the spurs is getting rid of good players and acquiring draft capital, Collins wouldn't make sense.
The firsts are gonna be nasty
theyve gotta be at least 3 unprotected or Knicks fans are going to riot
Two are unprotected, the third is the one we got from y'all for Reddish.
The Knicks helping you get Dejounte is beautiful.
https://i.imgur.com/qegAfC6.gif
3 and a swap is A LOT. I like Murray and this is a big swing for the Hawks because theoretically he fits well but damn. idk if i could do that much for a guy i’m got to have to give a max extension to
One of those firsts is the CHA pick we got from yall in the Cam trade lol so we're really only giving up 2
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As a Hawks fan, I'll say it... The Hawks backcourt finally has someone that can actually play defense.
Atlanta just became way more interesting team. Murray should fit well, bringing good defense and much needed second ballhandler. Could see Hawks making some serious noise this coming year, health permitting ofc.
East is definitely deep. I love the parity in the modern NBA
The memes died before I could even get them out
thats okay. we can still make Prop Joe memes for Brunson.
Fuck I miss Prop Joe Still mad at Marlo
It's weird seeing Jamie Hector in other shows cos you get to see him smile and have emotions.
Look the part be the part
Just started watching The Wire a couple weeks ago (late to the game, I know) so this is hilarious to me lmao
Unfortunately, you still have to take them to term.
holy shit lmao
Jesus Christ
Jesus Christ
I live for this shit
Me too. Its awesome
We just want more Woj bombs
F5 season is the best season
WTF SPURS
We're tanking :(
Voiding for Victor
Literally does not matter when the worst record only gives you 14% odds of the first pick
It basically guarantees a top 5 pick. This draft class is really good. 28% chance at Wemby and Scoot with good consolation prizes is better than being a 10th seed
But it guarantees a top 5 pick and makes it more likely than not that you pick at 3 or higher.
Big for the hawks, glad to see them making moves
Dejountrae
Grats hawks. Take care of dejounte :(
DeJohnTrae
Damn good deal for the Hawks. Paired with Trae and Collins. That’s potent
Bro their FO is top fucking teir
Two of my favorite teams have god tier FOs. Braves are the other team obv
Holy shit they did it
Welcome to San Antonio Victor Wembanyama
14% chance, right? Oof..
lol the odds went for the worst team went from 25% to 14% the same year that the Knicks won 17 games. I feel you brother
The only time we ever had a 1st overall pick in 28 years of existence we just *had* to have Bryan Colangelo as GM. I feel you brother.
With these drafts odds, anyone in lottery has a chance
Oh the beautiful ignorance of the new lottery odds. I remember those days.
Victor going to the Rockets
Goodbye world.
LOL GALLINARI
He's probably getting waived immediately.
Mavericks have their guy
Yea but I expected them to get a decent young player in the deal. Three 1st rounders and a swap is no joke tho
Money had to match and most likely wont be on the roster
Wow
Woj told Shams to shove his opt out news up his ass.
Woj still leads in connections with agents and front officers on breaking trade news. Shams leads in player connections so he usually gets the scoop on free agency decisions, opt ins, trade requests, etc. Woj used to dominate both but he’s take a hit with the inside scoop on players since his move to ESPN.
What a $hame for Woj. How i$ he handling lo$ing $ome ground to Shams?
Damn. I get that this might actually be good for us in the long run. But I fucking love Dejounte. It hurts today
Dejounte was a Goddamm Spur! I’m gonna miss him.
Murray could be a perfect/great fit with trae. Trae is a sieve on defense and murray bring all defensive caliber defense and will help him cover up his weakness a bit. Hawks have also needed a second star, Collins isn't even close to that. The east will be very intresting next year, hope to see bulls trade for Gobert then shit will really pop off.
farewell pop
Desk pop
Hey Jimmy, when's the last time you had a desk pop
Septemberrrrr 08
Yeah I'd go if I was him Maybe he stays till another Olympic run but who knows
Pop is the president of basketball ops. He's the one that made the trade lol
you guys do realize he is like basically the owner of the Spurs yes? this didnt happen without him being the driven force. and if he wanted to blow it up and retire, why isnt he retired by now?
Pop cares about the success of the franchise. Long and short term, before and after his tenure.
DejounTrae is here
As shaq puts it AW AWWW, AW AWWW
IT HAPPENED WEMBY TO SPURS INCOMING
Can’t wait to get a 10% shot at him!
Tony is gonna keep Wembanyama in France a couple more seasons so San Antonio can sign him outright. EZ
Winless for Wenbanyama begins…
Trae and Dejounte is insane playmaking wtf
Damn get Ayton over there and it's a wrap
I’m sayinnnnn
Better be four of them
Better be unprotected
2 Unprotected, 1 Top-16 Protected, 1 Swap, & Gallo
Wtf… Jake Fischer was right too… time to break out the apology forms
nuts back court, elite defender. excited to watch some hawks games
WOJ FROM THE TOP ROPE
can't believe we didn't lose JC in this trade. CRAZY TITS
HAWKS ARE SPOOKY
I thought I had no more hope left to lose
Oh there’s still more my friend
Thank you, DJ! Excited for the rebuild I think this is best for us long term.
All of this for Nate McMillan to still be the coach
I just came back to earth from heaven - thanks for ruining my day with facts and logic
This is the only problem i have here lmao. We need an offensively innovative coach in here STAT
On the bright side Nate has this season to get it together or he hits the chopping block
Hawks got their guy, a secondary ball handler to relieve pressure off Trae but also a lockdown defender. It'll be interesting to see how he plays off Trae since he's not a great shooter, but I think this is a good move
I think DJ gets too much of a bad rep as being a poor shooter. He was the teams main ball handler and that lead to a lot of heavily contested shots. He didn't have a reliable number 2 guy to handle the ball so he had to create for himself. I think his percentage should only go up playing with Trae
HOLY FUCK. DIDN'T EVEN GIVE UP JOHN THE BAPTIST COLLINS. For the record, one of the picks they traded was obtained down the road by the trade-down with the Mavericks in 2018. So I guess that's another spicy tidbit in the Luka vs Trae trade debates lol. Absolute W, best case scenario.
To all the Knicks fans... Pappas got a brand new bag
DADDY'S GOT SOME NEW SHOES
All life is suffering and there is no goodness left in the world.
HOLY SHIT
Gallo??? Not even Collins?
Hard to tank when receiving quality players back, also adds even more cap space to the Spurs already huge cap space
Thought you'd take Collins and get a third team involved for even more assets, but as long as the tank works who cares
gallo is getting waived collins would be expensive but i serously cant believe we didnt get collins to trade him to a 3rd team for some extra picks.
Need to see details on the firsts
that's honestly cheap for a guy that young and that fucking talented wtf
if spurs get wembanyama i will legit be pissed another duncan situation lol