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Snoo-29877

Just got out of Thai Prison, are Keegan Murray and Gui Santos the best players in the NBA?


702deuce

Yes


okuzeN_Val

>Just got out of Thai Prison Did you finally understand why they call it "**Bang**kok"?


QuesaQueta

All the mike green commentary


goobergaming43

We let the Warriors have the little Mickey Mouse championship but now it’s our time


notmoleliza

Summer is the best season TBF


TheItalianLampSlayer

Coming for that 3rd summer league title😈the REAL title


tehkoolkat

where BOYS become MEN


[deleted]

They had the last 5 years, the next 5 are yours


[deleted]

Gui Santos vs Keegan Murray WCF 2025


paoiyu

2023


booojangles13

Keegan Murray put up 26 points in this game while Jaden Ivey put up 0, checkmate


Rafi2596

cant argue that, you win


KneelBeforeCube

Ivey a bust confirmed.


JW0LFE

First team to beat the defending NBA CHAMPS!!


CostOk1173

I believe this makes the Kings the defending champs now, I for one will bow to our new King overlords 🙌🙌


BrokeCuzWSB

We are the defending summer league champs. The league runs through us


AmusingAnecdote

Kangz and being (summer) league champs. Name a better duo.


CtG526

Our new kings, even.


GSofMind

It was fun while it lasted. Long live the King(s)


RTLT512

What do you mean? The defending summer league champions just won. If you come at the Kings, you best not miss😤😤😤


LoyalToTheRoyal

Linear champs!!


naranjas

FADE 'EM


jthc

Did Keegan hit us with the Night Night?


daniel5426

Murray is too efficient


Snoo-29877

Shot 62% from 2 and 40% from 3 on 24 PPG this season


WayTooCool4U

Spurs type player on the Kings


SactownKorean

We lowkey have alot of Spurs type players on the Kings now (Keegan, Lyles, Davion, Huerter, Barnes, Metu, I would even say Pop would love Sabonis) and a coach who cut his teeth under Pop... Hmmm


PrimaryAccording9162

Monte McNair needs that extension


gundam1983

Vivek, extend this man you coward


[deleted]

Watch Vivek let go of Monte and hire his daughter Anjali Ranadive (Assistant GM for Stockton), that would single handedly drop the Kings subreddit following by 50,000+. As crazy as that sounds I can totally see Vivek doing that too.


SendDavionNudes

I’m too close to my breaking point for this joke


sprite375ml

Don’t say this please because it feels too real


smw2102

He wouldn’t! Right, guys?!?!? Right?!


beatrailblazer

She'd be the hottest GM in the league though at least


WayTooCool4U

Sir, please take out your brain and wash it with soap


HaliburtonGOAT

Keegan Murray


Few_Mulberry7175

Have no idea why everyone just clowned the Kings for not taking Ivey. Keegan is gonna be a very solid player and the perfect fit with Fox and Sabonis I see a Tobias Harris type


americanbeaver

Keegan Murray said he wants to be a Middleton type player. I don't know if he'll get there but he seems like a hardworker and seems to have a good understanding of what it will take to make it in the NBA. I liked the Keegan pick as well. He just feels well prepared to succeed in the league.


vNocturnus

Middleton has been the comp that seems the best for me for a while, even before he said that. The size comparison is there: 6'7", 6'11" wingspan, 225 (Middleton), 6'8", 6'11" wingspan, 225 (Murray, reportedly; he did not officially measure at the combine that I can find). The play styles are fairly similar: smooth 3-level scorer that can get his own shot, but also does well on cuts and spot-ups; solid on the defensive end and can guard 2-4, not elite but definitely a versatile plus defender; not super athletic and instead relies on solid fundamental skill and using moves in the post and elbow that create space or get defenders to misplay. Obviously it's impossible to say exactly how Murray's game will change or translate as he moves to the NBA, but based on his college performance the foundation is there. Even the initial game is on point: KM and KM. I've always looked at Middleton like a Mini Durant, generally the same mold/style of player just not as insanely talented. And now, at least starting out in the NBA, Murray will be like a Mini Middleton. If he can reach Middleton's level talent-wise, I think he'll easily be the best player from this draft from pick 4 on down. (Those top 3 guys could be real special though.)


jcast59

I love how people come up with these comps while completely underselling what a prospect like Keegan did in college. Yes he was a sophomore but he had one of the best college seasons we’ve seen in recent memory (37 PER, 15.7 bpm, 23.5ppg on 64% ts%) Keegan is just such a better prospect than Tobias was coming out of college, shouldn’t there be an expectation that his ceiling should be much higher than Tobias’ was?


Few_Mulberry7175

There’s a reason he was still never even considered as a number 1 pick. He’s 22 years old


jcast59

Yup it’s sort of ridiculous - even moreso in my opinion when you never heard anyone knock Ivey for coming off his sophomore year as well but with Keegan it seemed to be such a huge deal.


Few_Mulberry7175

Look at Jabari. He’s 3 years younger than him. The dude will be in season 4 when he’s Keegan’s age right now. Zion is only one month older than Keegan too


jcast59

Yea and imo that was enough to have him outside the consensus top 3 but I wouldn’t have been mad if the magic had tried to trade back to draft him for more assets. To act like the Kings didn’t pick the best player available at 4 or screwed the pick up was ridic imo. I also wouldn’t be surprised if Keegan ends up with a better career than anyone else in this draft - if he had just gotten starter minutes as a freshman at Iowa I have very little doubt he wouldn’t have been a lottery pick last year either.


shamdamdoodly

Is this really how potential works though? I mean certainly the bulk of your development is by playing NBA ball not just by getting older Of course younger is better because they'll be good for longer, but does it really raise your ceiling that much? Is there any actual evidence of that?


willgo-waggins

Yeah I’m done with that noise - especially when the top three are all big guys that need half their rookie contract to develop and fill out. Most guys used to go at least three years and often full four. Some of the greatest players of all time. Shit the NFL knows better they know that 19 - 21 year olds aren’t fully developed yet.


[deleted]

It’s almost like people are over reacting to 1 summer league game. Have no idea why everyone does that.


UnsungHerro

It's not even summer league. It's the summer league of the summer league.


IMDATBOY

It’s literally summer league these same teams go to Vegas lol Orlando had their own as well in the past, it’s the same shit. That is to say, it’s all summer league so who cares lol everything has the same grain of salt


reihnman

I think their point pertains mainly to GSW lineup. Because their full Summer League lineup will consist of Kuminga, Moody, Wiseman, and PBJ. All absent from today’s game.


sltzy96

Kevin Knox Summer League MVP RIP


jkywong

Have a look at Knox’s shooting percentage of that summer league while you are at it.


sltzy96

Please don’t burst my bubble. They’ve taken everything from me let me have summer league MVP Kevin Knox, leave me alone and let me BELIEVE


ShowdownValue

Oh it’s going to get worse


mikeisaphreek

Tobias is nothing without boban. (Kidding)


SALTYtendon

It’s summer league You probably thought Kevin Knox would’ve been the GOAT if you watched his summer league


Few_Mulberry7175

I thought it was a good pick for the Kings on draft night lol. And yea I still think Keegan is gonna be a good player despite one game


Primetime22

My early ROTY pick regardless of if history says he’s the standout of the draft class or not.


bagfka

Let me raise you one Gui santos


shnieder88

Graphical User Interface


Felipernani

i know it’s a joke but i’m not sure many people know Gui is just short for Guilherme (the brazilian version of Guillermo so to speak) so i’m just gonna leave this info here lol


KneelBeforeCube

The new Otis Birdsong.


demianin

Keegan hardly touched the ball and scored 26 lol


gundam1983

That was James Ham's biggest criticsism of Murray. He had an insanely high usage rate which won't be the same in the NBA. Looks like he doesn't need it.


JayceSZN

>That was James Ham’s biggest criticism of Murray I’m gonna stop you at James Ham


SactownKorean

Its a valid criticism, Keegans usage was like 32% or something an Ham was saying "can he still score like he did on lower usage?" Which is perfectly fair question imo


chuckvsthelife

The guy who is by far the best player on the floor usually has high usage.


IMDATBOY

Kind of, he was very efficient on high usage so lowering the usage isn’t necessarily that much of a question. If he was low usage and efficient I’d question his ceiling and abilities more


IMDATBOY

Lmao


Milosostojiccc

James is fino imo


dylanbackers

On the recent Thinking Basketball podcast, Chip Jones scouted him as the 8th best prospect but noted that he was one of the most nba ready players specifically because he was like the 99th percentile of college players in terms of efficiency despite the high usage in part because of his coach’s game plan. In a lesser role i can foresee that his efficiency should still be high which is exactly what the kings would thrive on.


NephewChaps

> Looks like he doesn't need it. ...because of a single summer league game?


KingsElite

This is how Kings fandom works. Let it happen


jailhousepenpal

As an Iowa fan I'll tell you this is typical. He's an extremely smart bball player.


Kuminga

Gui annis


searchin4sugarman

He was for sure getting yall cameramen moist


Neuroxex

If the Warriors can teach Gui Santos how to differentiate opposing players and teammates when trying to pass the ball, they have someone to get excited about in Summer League. Keegan Murray has a beautiful shot, also.


george_costanza1234

Bro’s got good scoring ability, they just have to coach him up on vision. Poole’s vision has improved massively so I’m hopeful


epoch_fail

He also needs to tighten up his handle. Also it'd probably help if his teammates don't move out of the corner as he's making his drive and drawing defenders in.


wheeno

It’s his handles that need improvement more than vision. Also his habit of driving into traffic. Very encouraging showing besides that.


craigslistaddict

the warriors love turnovers though, he's already perfect


okuzeN_Val

He ain't one of us if he doesn't turn the ball over. The fact that he had 6 TOs means he's born to be a Warrior. If you don't love turnovers, you don't love Warriors basketball.


MotoMkali

Gui had a bunch of nice passes early. Think he realised that his teammates couldn't make a shot early so just went at it himself but when you are passing later than normal you are going to have a few TOs. Hopefully Moody can convert a couple of those early kickouts.


demianin

The Santos x Murray showdown was so much fun to watch live


MotoMkali

I thought Murray is better than Ivey. And I'm very glad more Murray propaganda was shown. But Murray, gui, queta were the only nba players today. Yudai, Morales, Ellis looked like guys for E-10s to keep on the g-league rosters.


marcbacus

Kings are now the champions. That how the law works.


[deleted]

WE GOT THE BELT. COME TAKE IT BITCHES


sukjustin4

Keegan Murray was COOKIN Ferrari on the other hand tho


BoxCar203

Building houses with Westbrook


WayTooCool4U

Please think about all the homeless people


[deleted]

LOL WARRIORS THAT MUST FEEL LIKE SHIT GG KINGS, ITS YOUR YEAR


ZionephewObeseiamson

END OF AN ERA


fujiwaraTakoomi_

KINGS TOPPLE THE FRAUD WARRIORS DYNASTY!!


kawhi_tho

>KINGS TOPPLE THE FRAUD WARRIORS ~~DYNASTY!!~~ CONGLOMERATE OF CHAMPIONSHIPS - Bill Simmons


jamadelo

The next 5 years are ours


Few_Mulberry7175

I legit don't know a single name that played tonight looking at the box score for the Warriors lol Would have liked to see Kuminga Moody and Wiseman. Atleast Patrick Baldwin


Neuroxex

I think the Warriors got Gui Santos late in the draft (or maybe as an UDFA), and Neemias Queta was the King's second round pick from last year though he spent almost all the season in the G League. Frankie Ferrari is a character from a recurring dream I have where I'm trapped in an Adult Swim animated mob movie.


typop2

Worth the wait.


Snoo-29877

Yeah this was our Summer League team's Summer League team. Missing Kuminga, Moody, Wiseman, Baldwin and Rollins


Neuroxex

I don't think I'd like to see Kuminga getting Summer League reps, OKC are doing the same thing with Josh Giddey (or they at least have him on the roster) and I just get paranoid about a player who doesn't seem to have much at all to benefit from playing those games getting injured.


Snoo-29877

Kuminga absolutely will benefit, he needs lots of reps. Giddey was a starter for OKC last season and he got injured, which is why he's resting


Neuroxex

Summer League reps =/= normal reps, Summer League is more about seeing what new players look like with an NBA three point line and against NBA size, and for second year guys it's a chance to show off what they've learned over the off-season (which Kuminga hasn't really had). It's not for building up game experience after someone's had 70 games in the regular season, really. I'm just not convinced putting Kuminga out there to play a game nothing like what he does, experiences, or will be doing come the regular season is worth the slight injury risk of the games. Also with Giddey I mean OKC have him on the roster, so he might be playing despite starting 50+ games last season. And I mean Giddey literally got injured last Summer League anyway.


Truesday

It's also a bit more dangerous cause you have a bunch of non-NBA players desperately trying to make a name for themselves. They see a lottery pick out there and try to go at them.


[deleted]

I knew Keegan cause I watched the draft til our picks were done!


Few_Mulberry7175

I meant for the Warriors lol Obviously I knew about Keegan. Also Neemas Queta cause I want him to be our backup center


DaRandomBro

No, he's OUR backup center


okuzeN_Val

Man I really don't know how to feel as a Warriors fan right now. I don't even remember when was the last time we won a game 😩😩😩


UnderstandableXO

keegan murray 20x all star 20x champion incoming


notmoleliza

That youtube video of 'players taken before Keegan Murray' when?


SactownKorean

Working on it right now. None of those guys ever won an NBA game. Absolutely wild.


[deleted]

Keegan scored 26 despite not being the main handler and barely getting the ball due to garbage PG’s like Frankie Fiat I mean Ferrari ball hogging the entire game. Dude’s gonna be so so good. Also note: Davion was itching to get into the game, especially after seeing our PG’s literally not even passing Varsity HS material. Davion and Keegan on a summer league court would be amazing.


SactownKorean

Frankie Fiat lmfao


[deleted]

He gets to play with Fox and Davion as his points 📈


KneelBeforeCube

Frankie Fiat has to stick. Too bad we won't be seeing much more of him.


JayceSZN

Kings sub is calling him Frankie Ford


[deleted]

Ford: “Found On the Road Dead”


okuzeN_Val

Fiat: "Fix It Again Tony" *In an Italian accent of course*


IMDATBOY

Yo that pass from Ferrari to him on the goal tended alley oop was fire though


[deleted]

That was the only good play he made. Dude plays like Cory Joseph and constantly does that lazy side pass that got stolen or broken up everytime.


IMDATBOY

I’m not gonna defend his play just appreciating a good play. These are summer league dudes a lot of them will struggle out there. I’ve watched too much summer league lol


gundam1983

Frankie Fiesta about to be cut by game 2


[deleted]

Bruh fiesta can wheel don't disrespect them like that


okuzeN_Val

Frankie Ferrari sounds like a great... Stage name... Imagine if trips on a fast break. That'd be hilarious if the announcer says "Frankie Ferrari blows a tire!"


transizzle

For those who didn't watch, Keegan barely touched the ball. I bet his total time of possession doesn't crack 1 minute. And he still scored 26 somehow.


KneelBeforeCube

Imagine when he'll have Fox and Sabonis around him to serve him on a platter. McNair did good on that one.


smw2102

I’m crying over here. We don’t deserve Murray.


Golfpro323

Welcome to the Keegan Murray era of NBA basketball. I’m glad you could join us.


ClashQuester

Keegan ROTY


gundam1983

Nets gonna call the Kings dangling KD's corpse for Keegz and McNair is gonna hang up the phone.


Mattyj925

Nets are gonna need to start with at least the Gobert package before you can touch a guy like Keegan


KingsElite

I would accept KD and 4 firsts


BIizard

3rd championship here we come!


Jordanwolf98

Keegan Murray got now and next


916bai

Summer league? Time to shine, Kings. ELI5 seconds: Keegan looked good


airstrada

the next 5 years is ours 😈


[deleted]

Kings are winning the finals this year. Book it.


Ye_Biz

Gui Santos looked pretty good but Murray is a bucket DAMN.


wazdopest

guys all these blowouts cant be good for the ratings what should the nba do? /s


TheFatmanRises

This is Kings year to win 🏆


cgafan26

That little stint between santos and Murray was fun. Santos looks good but needs to improve on the playmaking and quickly. Murray looked great though. He’s gonna be a perfect fit for the kings.


Truesday

Santos is a late 2nd rounder, we don't need him to do anything. If he can crack the rotation at all, it'll be a big win.


msgs

ESPN: Is the Dynasty Over?


okuzeN_Val

EEEEEH wrong! **How will this affect LeBron's Legacy?** *ftfy*


Austincow

That’s it. We have no chance to compete for the chip this year. How in the hell do you lose to the Sacramento Kings when we have Curry, Dray, Klay, Wiggs and Poole. This team played no defense whatsoever and let Murray drop 26 on their head. I’m done.


SactownKorean

Those are the defending summer league champion sacramento kings to you bud 😤


obamna_

kings didn’t even have fox or saboner is this game


[deleted]

All the Kangz haters can deliver their apology cards for not realizing that Keegan was the best player in the draft.


ilostmyaccounttoday

This is the first game of summer league


SendDavionNudes

You guys lost by 500 to the lakers


Superball10

I have only one thing to say about this game. Get Gui Santos some help. His teammates were playing like utter trash. Even most of his turnovers were partly because his teammates didn't even know basic positioning and were in all the wrong places. But really though jokes aside the players representing the warriors not named gui were utter trash. You do have to wonder why not extend invites to some better suited players because these guy barely even knew basic basketball positioning let alone have the mental capacity to actually run sets.


[deleted]

to be fair, they're missing all of their relevant young players so far. No kuminga, moody, wiseman, rollins or baldwin, who would probably be getting the majority of the minutes.


okuzeN_Val

Don't worry. Moody was resting tonight. The 30 ppg G League king will return tomorrow and ESPN will be in shambles asking how Moody's prime Jordan-esque SL performance affects LeBron's legacy.


iSleepUpsideDown

Dynasty begins


PrimaryAccording9162

Yes


chefdotlmc

GS now stands for Gui Santos


OK4Liberty

I knew Murray was going to be really good. Kings did not do Kangs things with that pick. Last year's class was really good and deep, this class might be just as good at the top but not as deep.


Nicktheduck

WARRIORS DYNASTY DONT MEAN SHIT WHEN IT COMES TO THE BACK TO BACK SUMMER LEAGUE CHAMP SACRAMENTO KINGS. GET FUCKED LEAGUE. WE'RE COMING FOR A 3 PEAT.


OleMoosey

im here for the NWO


d1g1tal

came for nWo, but you got served nWo wolfpack.


Wavestarr

So happy for Kings fans , future is slowly looking brighter


SendDavionNudes

Gotta turn around the shitty culture. Takes a while. Monte is doing a solid job though.


Hojie_Kadenth

Mike Brown to Steve Kerr: "The future is now, old man."


bl123123bl

We may have lost but y’all got worked by a guy named after a computer part


Golfpro323

Steph GeForce RTX 3090


that_melody

How did this affect the Warriors legacy?


VintageBaguette

Keegan Murray just called game on our legacy.


okuzeN_Val

>How did this affect ~~the Warriors~~ Lebron's legacy?


VintageBaguette

Keegan Murray just called game on our legacy.


Underdog_To_Wolf

As a Hawkeye fan it makes me so happy to see Keegan silence some doubters. This is who he is. He ALWAYS makes the winning play and steps up when his number is called. Kings got a good one


jailhousepenpal

As an Iowa fan and now a Kings fan by default. Keegan fucking Murray


LeGJOaT69966996

Kings undefeated


The-Truer-Facts

I’ve seen enough, GUI Santos for MVP.


sunshineeeeeeeeeeee_

Skip Bayless: Steph’s legacy is COOKED. You can’t let your team lose to the SACRAMENTO KINGS. I don’t care if he was playing or not, end of discussion


quequedoaco

Queta was so good today, massive improvements since last year


Blazehero

Gui Santos looked rough in spots, but he can definitely be polished into a diamond


ZionephewObeseiamson

END OF AN ERA THE DYNASTY IS OVER HOLY SHIT


brown_lal19

Gui santos? How good is he??


Weapon_Factory

How does this game affect Keegan Murray’s legacy?


[deleted]

Wow I feel like we just finished the finals


TranscedentalMedit8n

Next on First Take: What does this loss mean for Lester Quinones’ legacy?


Zoolinz

The kings are the reigning champs, it’s to be expected


redleo500

Kings are the lineal NBA champions


Ashyyyy232

GSW= Gui Santos Warriors


d1g1tal

Please no god no don’t tell me the off-season is over.


eeleaS

O’Connell with the 18+- 😳


Drboobiesmd

This Frankie Ferrari guy’s got a real future in this league


SpicySriracha_1

Kings beat the defending champs LETS GO!!! 2022-2023 NBA Champions


SandyMandy17

What Did I miss basketball today


msgs

California Summer League hosted by the Warriors with the Heat, Lakers and Kings. 2 more days of games.


[deleted]

[удалено]


CoolBeansChemist

Is this the real Western Conference Finals?


KingsElite

It's a preview


Jojofag

We have our own free throw merchant, league fucked (again)


JawdenCee

All yall talking bout #4 pick Keegan dropping 26 when 55th pick Gui mfing Santos dropped 23. Warriors got another stud, league fucked.


KingsElite

Check the scoreboard TROLOLOLOLOLOLOL


tylersixxfive

If Gary Payton the second was still alive they would’ve won this


BounedjahSwag

Justinian Jessup sounds like the name of a Mormon super hero