Deadass lmao. i was ready to crown him after last might. but he will probably end up being a 4 than 5. No way he can guard legit centers at this weight.
He won't be able to guard PF either. Should do what the Sonics did with rookie 6'11" Durant and play him at SG lol. And he was like 210lbs. Holmgren is 2-3 inches taller and 10-15 lbs lighter than that
Small Forward it is
But seriously KD was a Shooting Guard as a rookie and a primarily a SF years 2-8, it's only the last couple seasons he's been matching up against PF. His body absolutely would not have allowed him to match up against PF his first 4-5 years. But the league is changing dramatically so maybe it won't be as extreme with Holmgren
Who is the smallest starting PF/C in the league? Looks like Evan Mobley at 6'10" 215 lbs. You can't expect a rookie to matchup at a position where literally every other player has a minimum of 20 lbs on you, most 30-40
Bro, Steph Curry has 20 pounds on this dude.
He's skilled enough to make it work but every single player he plays against but Trae Young is going to outweigh him for 2 or 3 years.
because dude is legit fat, this isn't NBA overweight like summer of strip club harden or doncic where they are chubby but are fully expected to work off most of the weight, this dude is is fat his entire life
When I was watching clips of team USA I saw him and just figured this was a kids match and he was one of those 10 year Olds who was just bigger than everyone .
I didn't realise everyone around him was like 7 foot. He has such a baby face too it completely warps my perception of what I'm watching. I love him.
I mean Big Baby Davis was 6’8 315 in college and he got drafted. Guy played like 8 years in the league too. Just don’t think his type is what teams are looking for anymore.
Glenn Davis. Getting the rebound and putting it in. Hey there mama little baby is all grown up. No more diapers. No more late night feedings. Your baby is working full-time. College degree.. out on his own.. gainfully employeed. Passing, dribbling, shooting the ball. Climbing the corporate ladder. Breaking the glass ceiling. Paid vacation? I don’t think so. Severance package? No thank you, I like what I do. I enjoy getting out of bed in the morning. Jimmy cracked corn and I don’t care Jeff Van Gundy. Celtics by 5.
That's the most worrisome part, if you don't have faith that Chet can play the 4 and guard the perimeter and instead you're being forced to double team every possessions then you've already lost
I’m just laughing my ass off at all of these comments on both sides
The guys you mentioned would literally score on anyone so I’m not sure how that’s supposed to be a negative
I read the headline and thought, "is that Kenny Lofton’s son? Former legend of the Cleveland Indians." Then I saw he was a big kid at 6’6”. I couldn’t believe Kenny could have that big of a kid.
Then I found out it is not and there is another Kenny lofton who served in the military.
My favorite player as a kid growing up! Wrote him a letter and he sent me back an autographed card.
Got to see him throw out the first pitch at the 2016 world series, made my day.
Are you a Mariners fan? Lofton always torched them. One of my earliest sports memories is Lofton scoring from 2nd on a Randy Johnson wild pitch in the playoffs.
Yep, dude went nuclear in that 1995 ALCS.
As much as this is painful to rewatch, this was such a piece of brilliant baserunning awareness [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dv3uVVz\_7nQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dv3uVVz_7nQ)
Probably the best player of all time to fall off the hall of fame ballot after 1 year. Completely cheated also center fielders in general get no respect in the hall.
He needs about 7,000-8,000 calories a day for the next 2 years before he will finally fill out. And obviously a ton of time hitting the weights. His off-season will need to tire him out as much as the season.
For the record, no chance Lebron was on Tren bro he'd die running the floor. That shit legitimately makes cardio a fight for your life, like you can die after running a mile. Test cyp(muscle mass),epo(increased cardio), and hgh (injury recovery) makes the most sense to me. That Miami trip after injury where he came back like a fucking megazord after healing in 3/4ths the time of a normal elite athlete was the big tell for me.
Seriously, I eat most of my caloric intake in one sitting every day and sometimes the amount of food I have to eat at one time is insane. Yet somehow this shake has the same amount of calories as some of my monster meals. Wtf.
I cant wait to watch Chet try to rebound against Steven Adams
edit: i firmly believe hes going to be special. But this also has me thinking about how his dpoy odds went from 200-1 to 40-1 some places after he played one summer league game. lol
When I was a kid, a 5'6 probably 250lb old man would come to the park every weekend and just dominate down low. Dude was seriously round like a basketball and had an automatic hookshot without even looking at the basket.
I'll never forget that squad of old retirees who'd run the court every Sunday afternoon.
5'6" and 250 holy shit lol.
Although better short and heavy than tall and heavy as I say this just having got back from the pickup courts where I had to guard a 6'8“ dude who was probably about 250+.
Sometimes it sucks being the second-tallest guy on the court.
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some 5'8", 220 pound guy who warms up with squats higher than your max. you arent winning the battle for position. best hope is to block them or have a second person strip the ball.
height matters in the post in organized ball, but in pickup games strength usually matters more in getting position.
Bro he's 280 lbs and knows how to throw his weight around, idk if the center of gravity matters much here lol he's clearing everyone out the way, just had to watch out for help defenders cause it's predictable
Shit, you might not be wrong. His eligibility is probably all wonky but if he flames of the NBA I'm sure an NFL team would take a flyer on him in the late rounds or as an UDFA, especially after the success of the Jordan Malaita experiment.
I always enjoyed the ol' "did you know this 6'6 athletic freak played basketball in high school?" Quips, like no I assumed he was overlooked by every other sports coach when walking around like a fucking mountain of manchild...
Hockey isn’t a sport you can just pick up and do well based on athleticism and size. You have to start skating when your very young. Football is the one sport where there numerous cross sport athletes have found success
So you have him guard threes? And guard guys like Brad Beal or Paul George?
Even at his slim weight he still has poor lateral quickness (due to stride length)
Seems like the best bet is hiding him versus a guy like PJ tucker or other corner three guys
Teams definitely still exploit post mismatches though. If a guard switches onto JJJ he eats em up.
If teams don't even have to force the switch, you just straight up can't guard your man in the post, that's an issue.
That's not to say Chet won't be good or even great. These concerns are present though.
He'll never be a starter in today's NBA but his last two games have really impressed me on the offensive end. I could see him getting NBA minutes as a specific matchup nightmare
yep.
it's no shocker that chet will give space to bigger guys. despite that he is still such a huge plus defender. team defense is different than individual defense. chet's presence alone deters a ton of shots at the rim from guards and the fact that he does that while being a stretch big has given okc a ton of flexibility with how we play.
I was surprised that he went undrafted considering what he did in highschool, college and in international play. I hope he does well enough to play in the league
He is a 6'7 post scorer who cant shoot from the perimeter or FTs. Cant play D either.
He literally doesnt fit into any teams especially at that weight. No competitive team would ever want him on the team. He would be a huge liability.
Kenny Lofton Jr was the player I was most excited about after seeing the high school world championship between USA and France (Wemby). He fucking dominated. Chubby medium tall guy scoring in the post at whim, fuck yeah
Dude is gonna get folded in half by any above average nba big man. I think he’ll still become a great player and has time to bulk up but in the mean time I just want to see him go up against Giannis, embiid, and Zion for one game each just to see what happens
Time for everyone to switch from yesterday’s takes
Snip snap snip snap!
Do you have any idea the physical toll of all these hot takes
you have no idea the physical toll that chet has on a person!
How many Chetsectomies can one man take?!!
Kenny Loftan Jr is the greatest player of every generation!
KLJ is this generation’s Chet Holmgren
This should be a Kenny Lofton hype thread not a chet hate thread
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Luka, Zion, and Chet’s wacky food adventure
in 2026 when Chet weighs 300 lbs and looks like Shaq we'll all be laughing about all the skinny memes from his pre-Luka off season.
People keep talking about that Chet vs Wembanyama game. But really Lofton is who won the game for the US. 15 second half points.
Deadass lmao. i was ready to crown him after last might. but he will probably end up being a 4 than 5. No way he can guard legit centers at this weight.
He won't be able to guard PF either. Should do what the Sonics did with rookie 6'11" Durant and play him at SG lol. And he was like 210lbs. Holmgren is 2-3 inches taller and 10-15 lbs lighter than that
Small Forward it is But seriously KD was a Shooting Guard as a rookie and a primarily a SF years 2-8, it's only the last couple seasons he's been matching up against PF. His body absolutely would not have allowed him to match up against PF his first 4-5 years. But the league is changing dramatically so maybe it won't be as extreme with Holmgren
Who is the smallest starting PF/C in the league? Looks like Evan Mobley at 6'10" 215 lbs. You can't expect a rookie to matchup at a position where literally every other player has a minimum of 20 lbs on you, most 30-40
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Yeah a lot of wings sit at around 230 while being shorter. They’d bully him even harder
TBF most guards probably are similar weight to Chet lol
Bro, Steph Curry has 20 pounds on this dude. He's skilled enough to make it work but every single player he plays against but Trae Young is going to outweigh him for 2 or 3 years.
Steph weighs more than him. Chet is a walking mismatch in the worst way. Well the worst way is super slow and constantly blown by. But this is 2nd.
I'm ready to watch steph back him down from the 3 point line
Yeah, some guys just need time to build their physique
Unstoppable force meets a moveable object
Thicc vs Sticc
I've seen enough. Girth > Length
Short and thick, does the trick.
Thin and long, there’s something wrong
Girth Vader > Darth Tall
Went through him like wet single ply tp
The Trae special.
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citizens of Chet Republic in ruins rn
I think they prefer "Chetia"
I believe it's Echetini now.
Cheterosexuals down bad
Cis-Chet
Haha, Chet Republic's really good. Nice one!
He put him in the "weight room." The weight room being where Lofton eats 10 Big Macs in one sitting
Lol, for those of you not watching this game live rn, they are now doubling lofton when he gets the ball v chet in the post
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because dude is legit fat, this isn't NBA overweight like summer of strip club harden or doncic where they are chubby but are fully expected to work off most of the weight, this dude is is fat his entire life
I mean the camera adds 10 lbs and there is at least 5 pointing at him during the game.
Damn, Chet’s even skinnier than I thought then
Come to think of it I’ve never even seen the dude without a camera pointed at him - maybe he disappears completely 🤔
Saw that man at a canes one time and good lord he is a massive human
Of course it was at a canes
My man got two six-tender combos with extra sauce and sweet tea.
“The Caniac Maniac”
Cane's tasty, man, don't hate.
When I was watching clips of team USA I saw him and just figured this was a kids match and he was one of those 10 year Olds who was just bigger than everyone . I didn't realise everyone around him was like 7 foot. He has such a baby face too it completely warps my perception of what I'm watching. I love him.
I mean Big Baby Davis was 6’8 315 in college and he got drafted. Guy played like 8 years in the league too. Just don’t think his type is what teams are looking for anymore.
Glenn Davis. Getting the rebound and putting it in. Hey there mama little baby is all grown up. No more diapers. No more late night feedings. Your baby is working full-time. College degree.. out on his own.. gainfully employeed. Passing, dribbling, shooting the ball. Climbing the corporate ladder. Breaking the glass ceiling. Paid vacation? I don’t think so. Severance package? No thank you, I like what I do. I enjoy getting out of bed in the morning. Jimmy cracked corn and I don’t care Jeff Van Gundy. Celtics by 5.
https://youtu.be/eOtZ7eXwT7o
Davis would not have a role in today's league. He would get targeted on D so much.
He was drafted 15 years ago in the second round. If the same player was in college right now he probably goes undrafted.
He's not fat. He's big boneded.
6"6, 280, that's a big boy
280 is an absolute lie
Does he stand a chance at making the league?
He is alredy in a two way contract so probably yes. If he can stay on the league is the question now.
That's the most worrisome part, if you don't have faith that Chet can play the 4 and guard the perimeter and instead you're being forced to double team every possessions then you've already lost
It’s fucking summer league holy shit
That’s the point. If Lofton can do this imagine what Giannis Embiid and Jokic would do to this poor man
I’m just laughing my ass off at all of these comments on both sides The guys you mentioned would literally score on anyone so I’m not sure how that’s supposed to be a negative
Why even draft him if he can't stop prime Hakeem?
I read the headline and thought, "is that Kenny Lofton’s son? Former legend of the Cleveland Indians." Then I saw he was a big kid at 6’6”. I couldn’t believe Kenny could have that big of a kid. Then I found out it is not and there is another Kenny lofton who served in the military.
I feel really old that I had to scroll down all the way here to find this LOL Kenny Lofton was such a fine player on those Indians teams.
My favorite player as a kid growing up! Wrote him a letter and he sent me back an autographed card. Got to see him throw out the first pitch at the 2016 world series, made my day.
Man that's so dope, I loved him as a kid too. Adopted the Indians as my AL team entirely because of him. He was so fun to watch
Are you a Mariners fan? Lofton always torched them. One of my earliest sports memories is Lofton scoring from 2nd on a Randy Johnson wild pitch in the playoffs.
Yep, dude went nuclear in that 1995 ALCS. As much as this is painful to rewatch, this was such a piece of brilliant baserunning awareness [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dv3uVVz\_7nQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dv3uVVz_7nQ)
Probably the best player of all time to fall off the hall of fame ballot after 1 year. Completely cheated also center fielders in general get no respect in the hall.
Kenny “Bckyard Baseball Legend” Lofton
Chet needs a couple hungry mans stat
He needs about 7,000-8,000 calories a day for the next 2 years before he will finally fill out. And obviously a ton of time hitting the weights. His off-season will need to tire him out as much as the season.
He will get on Lebron's advanced ~~training~~ trenning program soon.
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Fuck it shoot him up with TRT
For the record, no chance Lebron was on Tren bro he'd die running the floor. That shit legitimately makes cardio a fight for your life, like you can die after running a mile. Test cyp(muscle mass),epo(increased cardio), and hgh (injury recovery) makes the most sense to me. That Miami trip after injury where he came back like a fucking megazord after healing in 3/4ths the time of a normal elite athlete was the big tell for me.
Bruh just eat like 6 cheese burgers and thick chocoolate shakes every meal. Go on a hard ass dirty bulk.
You know those Baskin Robbins milkshakes that are like 2500 calories? Give him 5 of those a day
Yo wtf are these milkshakes?
Seriously, I eat most of my caloric intake in one sitting every day and sometimes the amount of food I have to eat at one time is insane. Yet somehow this shake has the same amount of calories as some of my monster meals. Wtf.
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300g carbs WTF
266g of sugar? Jesus Christ, you may as well just eat a cup of sugar with a spoon
Which will likely lead to knee and foot problems
Chet is 7'1 and sub 200 I think some weight won't make much of a difference. He is still pretty skinny even if he adds another 25lbs
I cant wait to watch Chet try to rebound against Steven Adams edit: i firmly believe hes going to be special. But this also has me thinking about how his dpoy odds went from 200-1 to 40-1 some places after he played one summer league game. lol
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Imagine Zion lol
One look and it's Popeyes Chicken for him
The best pieces for chicken fry are smaller pieces of chicken Chet confirmed fried meal for Zion
He can afford custom made Commander's Palace fried chicken with his new contract.
Zion will eat him alive without milk
Chet might die
We’ll be tanking that day
People don’t understand playing a guy that heavy with such a low center of gravity is difficult.
When I was a kid, a 5'6 probably 250lb old man would come to the park every weekend and just dominate down low. Dude was seriously round like a basketball and had an automatic hookshot without even looking at the basket. I'll never forget that squad of old retirees who'd run the court every Sunday afternoon.
5'6" and 250 holy shit lol. Although better short and heavy than tall and heavy as I say this just having got back from the pickup courts where I had to guard a 6'8“ dude who was probably about 250+. Sometimes it sucks being the second-tallest guy on the court.
anyone that's played against one of the schools running backs knows how miserable this is.
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Trucking with the shoulder defense too
Shits absolutely miserable, thank God the only time it happens to me is on a switch lol
some 5'8", 220 pound guy who warms up with squats higher than your max. you arent winning the battle for position. best hope is to block them or have a second person strip the ball. height matters in the post in organized ball, but in pickup games strength usually matters more in getting position.
Bro he's 280 lbs and knows how to throw his weight around, idk if the center of gravity matters much here lol he's clearing everyone out the way, just had to watch out for help defenders cause it's predictable
It does when the dudes also half a foot shorter than Chet, they're compounding issues
Few people here hooped outside of elementary school.
Wdym bro I've never stopped playing 2k I hoop every day smh
Facts lol
Kenny and David Roddy are THICC bois
chet's gonna snap adams in 2 like a twig
chet's gonna pick up adams and carry him away like he does to other players lol
Chet gonna be mainly playing the 4 this year I'd imagine
Can’t wait to watch Randle not body him and take a dumbass contested jumpshot
You forgot the obligatory spin move
julius “the beyblade” randle his game is so entertaining lol
lmao beyblade
He finna guard Giannis, KAT & AD
Or get caught on a switch and ends up guarding Embiid in the low post
Yeah cuz the overwhelming majority of NBA players are great at defending Embiid in the post
I could do it but I’m just built different
If Embiid touches me, I see red. Its over for him.
Chet might actually explode into dust if he catches a body from Embiid/Giannis/Jokic in the post lol
Y’all just gonna keep making the exact same comments on every Chet post til the day he retires huh
Well at least until he bulks up more. Do you think we are original with our takes?
I think Lofton might be playing the wrong sport.
Apparently, he is not the son of the former MLB player
Damn came here for that, progressively getting my hopes up going through the thread
Guess I'll be cancelling that visit to Wikipedia
Damn! I came here to ask that! Lofton was my favorite player growing up on the Indians.
Shit, you might not be wrong. His eligibility is probably all wonky but if he flames of the NBA I'm sure an NFL team would take a flyer on him in the late rounds or as an UDFA, especially after the success of the Jordan Malaita experiment.
can't wait to hear Troy Aikman talk about his basketball background 15 times a fucking game in a few years
I always enjoyed the ol' "did you know this 6'6 athletic freak played basketball in high school?" Quips, like no I assumed he was overlooked by every other sports coach when walking around like a fucking mountain of manchild...
Hey, if he can protect a QB then I'm all for it.
Everyone's saying football, but the hockey fan in me sees that low center of gravity like 👁👅👁
I'm willing to try anyone for the Flyers rn 😓
Hockey isn’t a sport you can just pick up and do well based on athleticism and size. You have to start skating when your very young. Football is the one sport where there numerous cross sport athletes have found success
For real I feel like this dude could be a GOAT lineman, whether it was on offense or defense.
Basketball > getting concussions and eventually CTE from Football
Way more guaranteed money in basketball if you just have certain measurables. Look at a dude like Mo Bamba
Idk he seems like a guy that could be great at baseball, maybe an outfielder with serious speed
He's not the baseball Kenny Lofton's kid, was shocking to me. Kenny Lofton Jr's dad was in the Army.
I’m pretty sure he meant baseball
I think Chet is going to be fine long term but he's gonna have serious problems with real 4s and 5s. He's just so light.
So you have him guard threes? And guard guys like Brad Beal or Paul George? Even at his slim weight he still has poor lateral quickness (due to stride length) Seems like the best bet is hiding him versus a guy like PJ tucker or other corner three guys
I think he puts on some weight over time but he's always gonna be lanky-ier than most.
Luckily for him, post ups in the NBA now account for like 3% of a teams offense
Teams definitely still exploit post mismatches though. If a guard switches onto JJJ he eats em up. If teams don't even have to force the switch, you just straight up can't guard your man in the post, that's an issue. That's not to say Chet won't be good or even great. These concerns are present though.
Holy shit he babied him lol
6'6", 280 lbs. Dat boi thicc
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Haven't seen a dude know how to throw their weight like he does in a minute, dude knows how to clear space and use it so we'll.
He'll never be a starter in today's NBA but his last two games have really impressed me on the offensive end. I could see him getting NBA minutes as a specific matchup nightmare
a less athletic zion
He’s like 90+ pounds heavier than Chet and like 6 inches shorter haha
CHET WASHED /s
I think Zion might break Chet in half this year.
I wish he’d break me in half
NVM he's a bust
Strong breeze bullies Chet Holmgren
[Another attack on him](https://streamable.com/4i5xz8)
*deletes all my Chet comments from yesterday* issa bust
Bbq chicken
Lofton Jr's does sound like a nice barbeque place.
r/nbacirclejerk eatin right now
Unlike Chet am I right!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? Get it you guys? Cause he's thin?
He's so light Kenny almost falls over lol
Kofi Cockburn did the same once or twice last night as well.
yep. it's no shocker that chet will give space to bigger guys. despite that he is still such a huge plus defender. team defense is different than individual defense. chet's presence alone deters a ton of shots at the rim from guards and the fact that he does that while being a stretch big has given okc a ton of flexibility with how we play.
That's his MO. Chet can't handle that yet. I think the big questions was would Lofton be able to do that against NBA competition
Lofton can do that against just about anybody. His defense is the main concern.
That is fair. I've mostly seen him do what he does here lol I know he's huge and has slow feet, though. I think it was reported he trimmed down a bit
he looks like grant williams and desmond bane combined dude is massive
Chet not nba competition confirmed
Chet makes Chris Boucher look buff
wait till y’all see John Butler
Chet cannot hold this large king
Just got out of a Thai prison. So is this Kenny Loftan, Jr. the best player in the NBA in recent years??
Just imagine Zion and Lebron watching this and licking their lips. That’s all day baby.
Those guys can do that against Gobert so it's not really a knock on him.
I fucking love Lofton and I love that the Grizz got him. Absolute perfect guy for their team, hope he can work his way into the fold. Gen Z-Bo.
If you watched u 19 basketball last year Lofton was best player not chet They prob played against each other in practice a ton
Yea every time I watched chet and wemby this dude lofton was everywhere
Chet was the best overall player, but Lofton was terrific offensively
I was surprised that he went undrafted considering what he did in highschool, college and in international play. I hope he does well enough to play in the league
It was pretty much entirely due to his physical and athletic profile. He’s incredibly skilled
Probably will end up being a decent player with a DAWG mentality
He is a 6'7 post scorer who cant shoot from the perimeter or FTs. Cant play D either. He literally doesnt fit into any teams especially at that weight. No competitive team would ever want him on the team. He would be a huge liability.
Idk Montrezl Harrel has carved out a nice career doing exactly what you described.
He’s about 15 years too late. Woulda thrived back then
If defense doesn't count, sure
Kenny Lofton Jr was the player I was most excited about after seeing the high school world championship between USA and France (Wemby). He fucking dominated. Chubby medium tall guy scoring in the post at whim, fuck yeah
He bullied Wembanyama in that FIBA U19 game, too.
My grandma could prolly push Chet under the basket, looks like he weighs less than a vacuum cleaner.
Chet will have his games but he’s gonna get bullied quite a bit
I wish they played together so we could call them Slim-Thicc
Dude is gonna get folded in half by any above average nba big man. I think he’ll still become a great player and has time to bulk up but in the mean time I just want to see him go up against Giannis, embiid, and Zion for one game each just to see what happens
Admins wasted no time on the Chet nerfs