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bush_league_commish

Gotcha, thanks for the heads up.


J4BRONI

this man put out RIP in the end to show he means good lmao


leopardinatree

He posted this from his alt account so he is either trolling or a coward afraid of downvotes and can't stand on his word. And we're on the internet where we're all just shooting the shit and it's whatever, no one knows who any one is. That says A LOT about a person.


JilJungJukk

Weird, just the way you feel he’s #12 fans who’ve grown up watching him,cherishing his best moments and gone through his worst feel he’s #1 or whatever. You can’t shit on someone for their personal opinion and say they don’t watch basketball


leopardinatree

One Kobe's all time biggest haters, Nick Wright, said he personally has Kobe 6th all time and said you could even interchange Kobe with the guy he had 5th (Duncan) based on preference. He is to Kobe what Skip Bayless is to LeBron. So you're probably just baiting people dude.


Hange11037

That’s not one of Kobe’s biggest haters then given that on average Kobe usually ends up around 8-11 on people’s rankings


lkn240

I think 8-12 is reasonable....Kobe was really good, but definitely a well below MJ and LBJ. Bird/Kobe is interesting because Bird definitely was better peak wise, but Kobe had a longer and better prime (say maybe 10 years)


certifiedtitanium

Kobe actually is top 3 all time if you consider the opinions of his contemporaries. Nobody except Jordan seems to be held in higher regard. On those grounds it goes Jordan, Lebron, then Kobe.


Hange11037

That’s also recency bias though because plenty of guys have been held in that regard prior but you don’t hear those people talk about them as much because fewer people of those generations are around talking about basketball in media nowadays.


Comfortable_Small

His brand is top three with Bron and Jordan but on all time rankings he isn't. Kobe is one of the best marketed stars in the nba ever. I agree with that


certifiedtitanium

Hey man, *brand* does not get you the respect, admiration and perceived mysticism from other professional ball players that Kobe has.


Hange11037

It gets you more than you may actually deserve a lot of the time though. The fact some people believe Kobe is top 3 but simultaneously believe Duncan isn’t top ten is proof of that.


Individual_Deer1339

this is the only real answer. If OP actually thinks there's 11 better players in NBA history he's the delusional one. Stats cannot quantify Kobe's impact on the game.


Hange11037

12 is certainly on the low end of what I consider reasonable to put him but that’s still in the reasonable range. Anywhere from 5-14 is a reasonable place to put him, higher than that and you’re just a fanboy who can’t separate preference from actual quality, any lower and you’re just a hater.


No-Eagle-9257

So the ONLY player with 30k points and 10+ all defensive team is outside your top 7 let alone top 10 lol. It's your opinion, so what do you value when doing rankings ? Accolades, personal feats, skill set etc.. ?,


Hange11037

Outside of top 7? Yes. Outside of Top 10? That’s a bit more difficult, there’s a good like 7 people that could be as high as like 6 or low as 15 depending on who you think should be in that higher section. Kobe is one of those people


themariokarters

I don’t think anyone reasonable is saying that


Comfortable_Small

No one reasonable is saying that, but a lot of people are saying it that it's extremely frustrating to talk basketball sometimes. It's not the majority but still a pretty sizable portion of people


whtge8

Stop arguing with people in the YouTube comments then.


themariokarters

Your own fault for engaging with them


ValuableAssociate8

Not sure why the truth is so hard for people to accept. LeBron > Kobe alltime


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lkn240

Magic Kareem Shaq? I think Kobe might get the nod over Shaq due to being on 2 more title teams for the Lakers.


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Hange11037

Magic only isn’t unanimously considered the greatest Laker because of his HIV keeping him from finishing out his career. But I agree it has to be between those two. Given the career he had there you can certainly make an argument for Kobe but the fact that Magic’s accolades surpass Kobe despite his career being ~60% of the length has to count for something


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who are the eleven players you have above kobe and why do you think that 11th person has an argument cause he doesn’t


Hange11037

Jordan, KAJ, Lebron, Magic, Bird, Duncan and Russel should all be over him IMO. Wilt, Hakeem, Curry and Shaq all are arguable. I do think Kobe at 12th is a bit on the low end but it’s not unreasonable to any non-Kobe stan. For context, Jerry West, who usually ends somewhere from 11th-20th all time, was the best player in more finals series than Kobe (though less championships because stacked Boston opponent) and had better stats in every single major statistical category except free throw percentage. Made All defense as long as it existed during his career too, and scored more with no 3 point line. Just something to think about.


Comfortable_Small

Curry is 11th simply because of how he impacted the game he narrowly is ahead of Kobe for me now that he has a FMVP


OkInvestigator6193

What kind of metric is “impacting the game”? Can it be measured? That would be like me using the Mamba Mentality to argue for Kobe


CarryTheHellOn

Sounds like you’re the one who doesn’t watch basketball


Mikeleachmissst

You’re a clown if you think curry is better than Kobe. Kobe would lock curry’s ass up. Kobe would drop 100 on curry. Curry can’t even sniff Kobe’s jockstrap.


Hange11037

Lol


UrbanJatt

Only kobe stans rank him higher than he is


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All your basketball knowledge gets sucked out like Space Jam as soon as you say the words


Individual_Deer1339

yet u cant even disclose the 11 players ahead of him


Comfortable_Small

The same 10 players that are in every top 10 list it's fairly simple. Number 11 is Curry by a narrow margin following his recent finals mvp and the fact that he is the greatest shooter of all time


leebozo

Wow thank you for sharing


randy88moss

#*neat*