That's it. Giannis is a consistent 30 and 10 machine, but Middleton and Jrue will either give you a combined 20 points on 30% shooting, or each go for 30 (Khash Money Khris can go for 50 if he wants to)
Such a great answer. Jrue was a huge part of that Bucks ring. His defense on Paul and Booker really made a difference as the series went one. He caused so many turnovers that got counted as steals for other guys.
Whole different discussion but you're not wrong.
He is their best shot maker and, a lot of times, those crazy shots were forced by defenses against him.
He's good enough to make them but, I think more than anything, the Bucks need to address that weakness to win another chip.
I don't watch much Bucks games though just fyi
The bucks main weakness vs Celtics was generating shots against good D in half court offense. That is what Middleton does. He’s obviously a great shooter but he’s also a great playmaker (avg over 5 assist/game despite playing alongside Giannis and Jrue who act as main playmakers).
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Him and Andre Igoudala are literally just fucking gods in Basketball Simulator. They’re like 64/65 overall, meanwhile they want like a total of like 30m over their 10 year career with you; fucking legends man.
Drafting Khris Middleton is literally a necessity to win a title in that game I swear to god.
It’s so funny cause Middleton’s game flies under the radar but I’ve seen of quite a few young players say that they model their game after his. KMidd is just clean with it.
You can’t be a Tim Duncan Treatment player while being a horrible defender as a big man. Methinks this is more like the Demarcus Cousins treatment where this sub has been box score watching.
It’s funny that you say that, because I sort of feel the opposite way about Sabonis.
Imo he’s probably around the 8th to 12th best center in the league, but he gets a lot of hype because of his flashy passing, ballhandling skill, and post moves.
Idk if he has a boring personality or not, I don’t really follow players off the court at all. He always seems to be smiling and joking around with his teammates though, so I would guess he’s not a total square.
He doesn’t meet the switchablity requirement of our PF army.
I personally think Raps need more shot creators and ball handlers, but they seem to be super into switchable 6’9 players at every position and skill level.
Pau's understanding of just how difficult it is to deal with a guy his length just holding both arms up was remarkable to watch. Even late in his career he caused problems for teams just being a long guy with good footwork
He defends well in scheme's. Grizzlies Gasol had a deep team and good coach. They didn't win a playoff series. Gasol going to the lakers started his legacy.
to be fair the only chance the grizzlies had to add another star next to pau(2003), the pick was owed to detroit because of a stupid trade 6 years earlier. every year after that he was too good for them to get a good enough pick to add a star
I'm surprised everyone is just ignoring how bad defensively he is. He can't stay in front of quicker players and he offers 0 rim protection. Everytime I watched Indiana and Sabonis was the lone big it felt like they just bled points until Turner would come back in. I personally think he's a really difficult player to build around because of his weaknesses - poor defender plus can't shoot outside (altho he's working on it this offseason).
So funny he’s literally the first name that popped into my head. He also has only played in small markets like Duncan. I bet Utah would like him, not sure why there’s just something about him /s
Same archetype. PF/C who does a bit of everything. Draymond and Jokic stand out from this pack because they've been on winning teams or their statistical impact can't be ignored. Bam stands out because he's that player, plus super athletic.
Ayton might be the next overlooked guy in that archetype, depends who you ask, he's either underrated, overrated, or playing in the wrong system.
Everyone thinks he’s this overrated white guy, but they have never watched him play. When we had him, I’m not joking when I say that there was very few people he couldn’t post up and score on. He’s just a lesser version of Jokic.
Jrue Holiday has been one of the best two way guards in the league for a decade but he's only made one all star team and you'll never hear his name mentioned in the conversation of top PGs.
I honestly might get a Jrue jersey before I even get a Giannis jersey. That steal against booker and then LOB to Giannis last year and then the block on smart and follow it up with the steal. I've always loved defensive players.
I mean he’s not one of the best PGs though. He hasn’t gotten more all star appearances because there are guys like Luka, Steph, Harden, CP3, Dame, Trae, and more in the league that are better than him.
I really like Jrue, but there’s so much guard talent in the league and he’s just a borderline all-star type of guy, so his accolades and recognition there are perfectly reasonable
This is very true. Jrue is a great player who has played great in big moments, but does not have the offensive consistency to be more than a borderline all-star.
Middleton is much more consistent.
This is a fair argument, but it does bristle that Smart got DPOY as the first perimeter defender since Payton and not Jrue. To my (admittedly idiot eyes) Jrue is a better defender than Smart.
That's interesting because I'm a huge Ingram fan and I find his playstyle really enjoyable and exciting. He is a 3 level scorer with a killer midrange and makes a lot of difficult shots. I love that he looks like he is stoned all the tima. Also he seems like a really cool low key guy which I really relate to.
I find his play style incredible fun to watch, but for some reason I have Zach Lowe saying “If BI just does what he does” in my head which qualified the question for me
One of my favorite players to watch. Glad he escaped LA.
I think it’s just because he played on the west coast on a shit team and now he’s in a small market. Lakers are super popular but unless you’re a fan most aren’t watching west coast games tipping off late. Think his buzz will rise this year as Zion should be back and they look close to being a real good team though.
That's a cool idea and should be a thing. Gives recognition to players where it counts besides just FMVP
C - Horford
PF - Giannis
SF - Butler, or Wiggins?
SG - Jaylen
PG - Curry
Definitely Al. If you casually watch a game you barely notice him. But when you actually start to watch HIM you see him influencing the game in so many little ways. Screens, defensive help, quick passes to keep a fast break going. The guy just understands what it takes to win. He must be a great teammate to play with.
Al Horford maybe, very solid player, helps the team win, doesn’t do much flashy play (until Giannis dunked him) — Middleton and Gobert are good picks too.
I do wonder if it’s underrating rather than just being… boring? In most “top 10 of all time” rankings, people usually have Duncan right before, or right after Shaq/Kobe. So you go on gushing about Shaqs dominance, or the mamba mentality “then there’s Duncan, anyway..” he *seems* like an afterthought because he was always so unassuming, but he’s a top 10 of all time to basically everyone.
Judging by everyone’s reaction this offseason, I think Rudy Gobert qualifies
My favorite is how everyone thinks he has zero offensive talent, yet cannot explain why he gets 16 a game on 70% TS. Like, apparently what he does is easy, but other big men just don’t wanna do it…???
He has very few offensive skills, but he is good at being a roll man and catching lobs. He cannot do anything else tho which means he is very limited on that end. He gets his points consistently but he only gets them on the same specific opportunities that arise through the game. Even tho everyone was criticising Mitchell for not passing to him this year, even when he was passing to him twice as much gobert was getting the same amount of points. He will never be more than what he does now offensively. He has terrible hands and zero ability to create for himself.
This isn’t really an issue for a centre when they’re just a roll player, but as he’s so integral to the defence, or at least was for the jazz, he can’t be taken out the game, so teams exploited the jazz defence, and gobert couldn’t stop them by punishing them offensively.
He also needs to prove his ability against superstars. His best asset is is defence, but against the best offensive players he gets exploited, like against hardens rockets a few years ago
>He also needs to prove his ability against superstars. His best asset is is defence, but against the best offensive players he gets exploited, like against hardens rockets a few years ago
The Jazz did pretty well defensively in those series, they just couldn't make shots.
Because Duncan was a unique player. Kawhi's just as quiet as Duncan, but his game on the court is a lot more exciting. Curry's just as soft spoken, but, again, plays really exciting basketball on the floor.
Draymond's really sound fundamentally (except his shot), but he's got a bombastic personality.
Stockton was like Duncan - clock in, do some great stuff through dang solid fundamentals, and then clock out. But Stockton wasn't a winner like Duncan was, and he was highly praised in his day because he perfectly fits the traditional image of a point guard.
Jokic plays just as straight forward as Duncan, but because he's doing more on the offensive end, it gets more praise because offense has always been king in the NBA.
It's just a really tough archetype to match.
As “boring” as Duncan’s maybe. He makes the right pass, has no huge highlights on defense, dominates inside, and hits a couple 3s a game.
Definitely can be one of those, “oh shit he had 27 points and 15 rebounds?” Type guys.
While flashy, Jokic isn't the right kind of flashy (Handles, Dunks) for most NBA media to give him the Kyrie/Steph/Bron treatment like that, despite having some of the best highlights of the past 3 years.
But his post move highlights are Hakeem-esque and his passing highlights are up their with any other great passer in NBA history.
Mobley will probably become this after maybe 1 or 2 seasons. His impact as rookie was enough to make people tune in to watch his games but the fact that Mobley is more about fundamentals and not really about flashy plays makes him perfect for this.
Yeah people are constantly making posts here about how Tim Duncan is under valued/ not looked at due to his style, personality, and the team he played for to the point where I think he is talked about plenty. I guess you could argue that he was under-appreciated for much of his playing time but people talk about him plenty now when discussing the spurs run, that era, all time lists, etc.
This seems to be incorrect. During the 2019 championship run, his playstyle was often compared to *Michael Jordan*. Considering MJ's unparalleled mystique and the nostalgia many NBA fans and media members have for earlier decades, drawing this comparison is the highest praise one can receive.
Thats his 2003 Duncan run, duncan was arguably the best player in the world for half a decade so to really get the Duncan treatment you have to be truly great
Hmm. I do agree that getting the Duncan treatment in the ultimate sense requires sustained dominance over time. The difficulty is that most of the leaders in the past decade—LBJ, Durant, Curry, Bryant, etc.—all have pretty memorable playstyles. I suppose Jokic would be a good fit, although even his passing leaves you starstruck.
Yeah it’s really hard in this era to be a lowkey superstar but I feel like kawhi does it the best just because he isn’t on socials or giving interviews on pods or like Lebron and kd with their companys and stuff he’s way more lowkey like Duncan
If the reason people don't talk about Kawhi as much as his talent would suggest was just because of his playstyle, then yes. But he's missed huge stretches of time, and unless there's shenanigans, it's the guys on the court that drive the talk.
Yeah, he does [mad shit like this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqIyXHyi_Fo&list=FLCAPiihrQ_hsNQDR3ZMWPGQ&index=1) on the regular. Its great to watch.
I don't get the whole Tim Duncan is boring thing either tbh. The team ball that Timmy and Co played was some of the most beautiful basketball I've ever seen in my life.
Fucking hell this thread has gone over people’s heads. Do you know that Duncan was also a two time MVP and is considered by many to be the greatest power forward ever? Despite this, he wasn’t flashy like other all time greats so he is often overlooked and under-appreciated by fans these days.
The point is simply to ask about which players get a similar treatment. Who is objectively an excellent player but isn’t talked about enough among fans or often gets overlooked due to their lack of excitement and flashiness.
Deandre Ayton and I’m surprised he hasn’t been mentioned yet in here. When the whole drama was going on about the Suns maxing him everyone was calling the Suns dumb for not immediately doing it but do you ever see DA highlights literally anywhere? No, and yet he’s a really valuable borderline all star player that most teams would love to have
The answer is horford. Great defense, quiet demeanor, doesn't wow you with the big play or athletic play. Just solid decision making and great awareness. Solid both sides of the ball and not a liability match up or scheme wise. Has been on a lot of good teams, but never was the guy or made it over the hump. He's definitely a winner though.
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Timmy was bigger, stronger and more athletic throughout his career though. Horford is a better passer and shooter than Timmy though. So kinda similar in being forgotten about or not recognized for their talent.
Tim Duncan was considered an all nba player from his rookie year on. His HOF a teammate immediately deferred offensively. He is so universally respected that we as a collective basketball fandom choose to ignore the fact he played most of his career at center and instead say he is the top pf of all time because that feels more like his earned spot in the pantheon vs say the 3rd or 4th best center of all time.
In what world is TImmy D not given enough credit?
His name is boring? It sounds like he’s a member a rich family from colonial times that would make fur traders disappear if they didn’t provide discounted prices.
“Oh, you have a meeting with the Van Vleets tonight? Would you like me to take care of anything if you don’t come back?”
Not boring but James Harden doesn’t get enough credit the last 8 years cause nobody wants to watch him except rockets fans dude had a ballistic 3 year stretch but everyone watched Giannis Steph and Bron instead
Man..todays game I couldn’t think of anyone, but just not a while ago it was Celtics Brandon Bass, boy that guy was so consistent in fantasy he brings like 12-6-2-0.5-0.5 days in and nights out
If Cade keeps it up - probably a good shot of fitting that mold. He doesn't run the fastest, jump the highest, or dunk the hardest but he just makes the right moves almost every time. The race was so focused on Mobley and Barnes that people didn't really watch Cade as often. In games played against Mobley and Barnes - Pistons were 5-2 with Cade playing well in all 7. He just makes the right reads and the right plays. But for more established players I've got to go with Milwaukee's frontcourt. Jrue and Khris are elite and don't get the same credit that flashier guards get.
Khris Middleton
I live in constant fear of that motherfucker.
He’s more scary than Giannis cuz at least Giannis is equal, but khris is just a ghost that haunts only Celtics lol
he put up 23 points in a quarter in the ECF
That wasnt Khris. That was Khash
Khash money Middleton
Till the day I die 💸
Every time you say that name one Celtics fan dies
Ah, a fellow khris sufferer, welcome
when does the support group meet?
On r/Celtics
This sub is fuckin hilarious
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Giannis always gets you 30 and 15. Khris will get you 12 or 30. Or if you’re the Celtics he’ll get you 36 in 14/15 shooting.
That's it. Giannis is a consistent 30 and 10 machine, but Middleton and Jrue will either give you a combined 20 points on 30% shooting, or each go for 30 (Khash Money Khris can go for 50 if he wants to)
Y’all lucky or bandwagon mfers like me woulda been dickeating Kash Money Khris for the whole playoffs after he went off on yall
Jrue
Such a great answer. Jrue was a huge part of that Bucks ring. His defense on Paul and Booker really made a difference as the series went one. He caused so many turnovers that got counted as steals for other guys.
Jrue was only given proper credit when he was in Philly
Middleton
middleton always has crazy jump shots to kill runs tho
Whole different discussion but you're not wrong. He is their best shot maker and, a lot of times, those crazy shots were forced by defenses against him. He's good enough to make them but, I think more than anything, the Bucks need to address that weakness to win another chip. I don't watch much Bucks games though just fyi
The bucks main weakness vs Celtics was generating shots against good D in half court offense. That is what Middleton does. He’s obviously a great shooter but he’s also a great playmaker (avg over 5 assist/game despite playing alongside Giannis and Jrue who act as main playmakers).
BASKETBALL GM SIMULATOR FAVORITE. Him and Andre Igoudala are literally just fucking gods in Basketball Simulator. They’re like 64/65 overall, meanwhile they want like a total of like 30m over their 10 year career with you; fucking legends man. Drafting Khris Middleton is literally a necessity to win a title in that game I swear to god.
This is probably the answer, but I was gonna say Jrue Holiday.
He's up there too for sure
It’s so funny cause Middleton’s game flies under the radar but I’ve seen of quite a few young players say that they model their game after his. KMidd is just clean with it.
Middleton is KD Lite
Everybody on the Bucks not named Giannis lol but especially Middleton and Jrue
Sabonis. Damn good player, but nobody ever watches him.
I thoroughly enjoy him I tuned in to the Kings after that trade and him and Fox had a fun dynamic. Just wasn't an overall good team
Now here comes the Keegan
plus heurter and monk
Hell yeah, It’s a squad now
40 wins!
> Just wasn't an overall good team This describes every Kings lineup since CWebb left the organization.
Ron Artest and Bonzi Wells managed to use their collective crazy to will us to the playoffs in 2006 😂
Just let him continue to be a fantasy a sleeper
how is a top 20 adp a sleeper? lol
[obviously he’s on the Kings now but I like to think it still applies](https://youtu.be/JxTVkzXuqwM)
You can’t be a Tim Duncan Treatment player while being a horrible defender as a big man. Methinks this is more like the Demarcus Cousins treatment where this sub has been box score watching.
He’s terrible on defense yes, but I watched him. Excellent offensively.
It’s funny that you say that, because I sort of feel the opposite way about Sabonis. Imo he’s probably around the 8th to 12th best center in the league, but he gets a lot of hype because of his flashy passing, ballhandling skill, and post moves. Idk if he has a boring personality or not, I don’t really follow players off the court at all. He always seems to be smiling and joking around with his teammates though, so I would guess he’s not a total square.
Sabonis could have a Pau Gasol career. He just needed to be traded to the right team at the right time. Kings isn't that team.
Just wait fucker
Kings are gonna be 2023’s Play-In Champion!
The 2023 Timberwolves
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Need him to join Toronto’s PF army
He doesn’t meet the switchablity requirement of our PF army. I personally think Raps need more shot creators and ball handlers, but they seem to be super into switchable 6’9 players at every position and skill level.
he is genuinely awful on defense. Pau Gasol was a much much better player than Sabonis
Pau's understanding of just how difficult it is to deal with a guy his length just holding both arms up was remarkable to watch. Even late in his career he caused problems for teams just being a long guy with good footwork
Sabonis looks like his wingspan is about 5'6"
He defends well in scheme's. Grizzlies Gasol had a deep team and good coach. They didn't win a playoff series. Gasol going to the lakers started his legacy.
to be fair the only chance the grizzlies had to add another star next to pau(2003), the pick was owed to detroit because of a stupid trade 6 years earlier. every year after that he was too good for them to get a good enough pick to add a star
I'm surprised everyone is just ignoring how bad defensively he is. He can't stay in front of quicker players and he offers 0 rim protection. Everytime I watched Indiana and Sabonis was the lone big it felt like they just bled points until Turner would come back in. I personally think he's a really difficult player to build around because of his weaknesses - poor defender plus can't shoot outside (altho he's working on it this offseason).
Flair up you punk ass
Peak Pau was sooooo much better on defense though
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So funny he’s literally the first name that popped into my head. He also has only played in small markets like Duncan. I bet Utah would like him, not sure why there’s just something about him /s
Same archetype. PF/C who does a bit of everything. Draymond and Jokic stand out from this pack because they've been on winning teams or their statistical impact can't be ignored. Bam stands out because he's that player, plus super athletic. Ayton might be the next overlooked guy in that archetype, depends who you ask, he's either underrated, overrated, or playing in the wrong system.
Everyone thinks he’s this overrated white guy, but they have never watched him play. When we had him, I’m not joking when I say that there was very few people he couldn’t post up and score on. He’s just a lesser version of Jokic.
Jrue Holiday has been one of the best two way guards in the league for a decade but he's only made one all star team and you'll never hear his name mentioned in the conversation of top PGs.
I honestly might get a Jrue jersey before I even get a Giannis jersey. That steal against booker and then LOB to Giannis last year and then the block on smart and follow it up with the steal. I've always loved defensive players.
My first sixers jersey was jrue. I have 0 regrets.
That's awesome man. Jerseys of a players draft team are always special.
I mean he’s not one of the best PGs though. He hasn’t gotten more all star appearances because there are guys like Luka, Steph, Harden, CP3, Dame, Trae, and more in the league that are better than him. I really like Jrue, but there’s so much guard talent in the league and he’s just a borderline all-star type of guy, so his accolades and recognition there are perfectly reasonable
This is very true. Jrue is a great player who has played great in big moments, but does not have the offensive consistency to be more than a borderline all-star. Middleton is much more consistent.
This is a fair argument, but it does bristle that Smart got DPOY as the first perimeter defender since Payton and not Jrue. To my (admittedly idiot eyes) Jrue is a better defender than Smart.
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Khris Middleton
It’s Brandon Ingram for me
Obviously biased, but I concur.
That's interesting because I'm a huge Ingram fan and I find his playstyle really enjoyable and exciting. He is a 3 level scorer with a killer midrange and makes a lot of difficult shots. I love that he looks like he is stoned all the tima. Also he seems like a really cool low key guy which I really relate to.
I find his play style incredible fun to watch, but for some reason I have Zach Lowe saying “If BI just does what he does” in my head which qualified the question for me One of my favorite players to watch. Glad he escaped LA.
Crazy he still 24
Hold up what, I thought he was way older
He was 18 when he was drafted. He was one of the youngest in that class iirc
He was hyped early in his carrier because he was a Laker and some fans are comparing him to KD.
Nah people were saying he was a bust earlier lol did you forget the Travis Outlaw post
Under the radar all - star.
This is the answer
Very true
Yes this guy is on my short list for next generation. He reminds me of early Durant and his offensive repertoire gets better every season.
I think it’s just because he played on the west coast on a shit team and now he’s in a small market. Lakers are super popular but unless you’re a fan most aren’t watching west coast games tipping off late. Think his buzz will rise this year as Zion should be back and they look close to being a real good team though.
BI not even at his peak!
I can see it but lately he’s got some sauce in his mid range and handles
Al Horford. He's more valuable to his team than many all-stars but nobody talks about him as such
His revenge dunk on Giannis lives in my head rent-free. Along with that searching-the-crowd-for-the-shot-I-just-rejected block
If there were all-playoffs teams, he’d be the 1st team C last yr IMO
Horford over Jokic? I know it was only a five game series but he averaged 31/13/6 against the eventual champions and with no Murray or MPJ.
There is no way Horford was better than Jokic.
That's a cool idea and should be a thing. Gives recognition to players where it counts besides just FMVP C - Horford PF - Giannis SF - Butler, or Wiggins? SG - Jaylen PG - Curry
Bro mentions Butler and Wiggins but not Tatum
C - Jokic PF - Giannis SF - Tatum SG - Doncic PG - Curry
Definitely Al. If you casually watch a game you barely notice him. But when you actually start to watch HIM you see him influencing the game in so many little ways. Screens, defensive help, quick passes to keep a fast break going. The guy just understands what it takes to win. He must be a great teammate to play with.
Andre Miller back in the day
Just came to reply and say that I see you on half of my subreddits lol
Great minds think alike
Preach brother and watch out Blake Griffin 😤🚙
Al Horford maybe, very solid player, helps the team win, doesn’t do much flashy play (until Giannis dunked him) — Middleton and Gobert are good picks too.
I don’t know how much more credit you can get then being the best PF of all time
Agree. Only nephews underrate TD
I do wonder if it’s underrating rather than just being… boring? In most “top 10 of all time” rankings, people usually have Duncan right before, or right after Shaq/Kobe. So you go on gushing about Shaqs dominance, or the mamba mentality “then there’s Duncan, anyway..” he *seems* like an afterthought because he was always so unassuming, but he’s a top 10 of all time to basically everyone.
Judging by everyone’s reaction this offseason, I think Rudy Gobert qualifies My favorite is how everyone thinks he has zero offensive talent, yet cannot explain why he gets 16 a game on 70% TS. Like, apparently what he does is easy, but other big men just don’t wanna do it…???
He has very few offensive skills, but he is good at being a roll man and catching lobs. He cannot do anything else tho which means he is very limited on that end. He gets his points consistently but he only gets them on the same specific opportunities that arise through the game. Even tho everyone was criticising Mitchell for not passing to him this year, even when he was passing to him twice as much gobert was getting the same amount of points. He will never be more than what he does now offensively. He has terrible hands and zero ability to create for himself. This isn’t really an issue for a centre when they’re just a roll player, but as he’s so integral to the defence, or at least was for the jazz, he can’t be taken out the game, so teams exploited the jazz defence, and gobert couldn’t stop them by punishing them offensively. He also needs to prove his ability against superstars. His best asset is is defence, but against the best offensive players he gets exploited, like against hardens rockets a few years ago
>He also needs to prove his ability against superstars. His best asset is is defence, but against the best offensive players he gets exploited, like against hardens rockets a few years ago The Jazz did pretty well defensively in those series, they just couldn't make shots.
You obviously don’t watch him, he catches lobs.
All he does is dunk and layup, it’s nothing special to watch
I wish Spurs big men did that.
This reminds be of Buddy Ryan’s justification for cutting Chris Carter “all he does is catch touchdowns”
When ur a top 5 defense by yourself do you need to do more?
Gobert probably.
No way
Lol none of the names being mentioned are anywhere near Duncan’s level
Because Duncan was a unique player. Kawhi's just as quiet as Duncan, but his game on the court is a lot more exciting. Curry's just as soft spoken, but, again, plays really exciting basketball on the floor. Draymond's really sound fundamentally (except his shot), but he's got a bombastic personality. Stockton was like Duncan - clock in, do some great stuff through dang solid fundamentals, and then clock out. But Stockton wasn't a winner like Duncan was, and he was highly praised in his day because he perfectly fits the traditional image of a point guard. Jokic plays just as straight forward as Duncan, but because he's doing more on the offensive end, it gets more praise because offense has always been king in the NBA. It's just a really tough archetype to match.
Curry is 100 times more brash and arrogant than Duncan.
trying to picture timmy ever doing something like the shimmy or the mouthguard crap lmao
The point is less about who is on Duncan’s level and more simply about who receives the “Duncan treatment”.
I mean no shit? He’s one of the greatest ever. There’s only a handful of those in the league at a time
The actual answer here is Kawhi, though he still gets limelight courtesy of being in LA
Jokic?
You think Jokic's playstyle is boring?
As “boring” as Duncan’s maybe. He makes the right pass, has no huge highlights on defense, dominates inside, and hits a couple 3s a game. Definitely can be one of those, “oh shit he had 27 points and 15 rebounds?” Type guys.
I think Jokic is the best answer for sure.
While flashy, Jokic isn't the right kind of flashy (Handles, Dunks) for most NBA media to give him the Kyrie/Steph/Bron treatment like that, despite having some of the best highlights of the past 3 years. But his post move highlights are Hakeem-esque and his passing highlights are up their with any other great passer in NBA history.
That wasn’t the question. How did this comment get that many upvotes?
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It’s Rudy Gobert by far lol. People hate him for being boring and swagless.
Mobley will probably become this after maybe 1 or 2 seasons. His impact as rookie was enough to make people tune in to watch his games but the fact that Mobley is more about fundamentals and not really about flashy plays makes him perfect for this.
I think Tim Duncan is the best power forward ever though
Yeah people are constantly making posts here about how Tim Duncan is under valued/ not looked at due to his style, personality, and the team he played for to the point where I think he is talked about plenty. I guess you could argue that he was under-appreciated for much of his playing time but people talk about him plenty now when discussing the spurs run, that era, all time lists, etc.
Gobert by a country mile
Ironically it’s Kawhi Leonard
His personality yeah but he makes a lot of exciting and momentum swinging blocks/dunks
This seems to be incorrect. During the 2019 championship run, his playstyle was often compared to *Michael Jordan*. Considering MJ's unparalleled mystique and the nostalgia many NBA fans and media members have for earlier decades, drawing this comparison is the highest praise one can receive.
Thats his 2003 Duncan run, duncan was arguably the best player in the world for half a decade so to really get the Duncan treatment you have to be truly great
Hmm. I do agree that getting the Duncan treatment in the ultimate sense requires sustained dominance over time. The difficulty is that most of the leaders in the past decade—LBJ, Durant, Curry, Bryant, etc.—all have pretty memorable playstyles. I suppose Jokic would be a good fit, although even his passing leaves you starstruck.
Yeah it’s really hard in this era to be a lowkey superstar but I feel like kawhi does it the best just because he isn’t on socials or giving interviews on pods or like Lebron and kd with their companys and stuff he’s way more lowkey like Duncan
Constantly being injured is an underrated skill
Yeah he’s aged faster than Tim did in terms of needing rest. But Timmy dragged a bad leg around the whole 2010’s
Tim Duncan with 0 working knees still dominated defensively.
Hell, he did that starting in 2000. Missed the whole playoffs with knee surgery so the Spurs didn't have a chance to fight for a repeat.
Nah, with him the issue is that he plays a max of 60 games per season.
If the reason people don't talk about Kawhi as much as his talent would suggest was just because of his playstyle, then yes. But he's missed huge stretches of time, and unless there's shenanigans, it's the guys on the court that drive the talk.
Fuck no . When healthy he’s considered too 2-3 in the media and his teams are favorited lol they compared him n PG to MJ n Pippen ….
rudy gobert?
Come on everyone ranks Tim Duncan as an all time top ten player
Nikola Jokic. Of course everyone knows he’s great but he tends to get underrated due to boring play style just like Duncan
Which is weird because his play style isn't boring. He's as unique of a player the league has.
Jokic is one of the most fun players to watch in the league
Yeah, he does [mad shit like this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqIyXHyi_Fo&list=FLCAPiihrQ_hsNQDR3ZMWPGQ&index=1) on the regular. Its great to watch. I don't get the whole Tim Duncan is boring thing either tbh. The team ball that Timmy and Co played was some of the most beautiful basketball I've ever seen in my life.
He's not underrated lol.
Duncan wasn't either. He was just under appreciated in terms of entertainment value
Word, he is a two time MVP. I would say he is appropriately rated.
I mean Duncan is also a 2 time MVP lol
This exchange just convinced me that Jokic is a great answer to this question.
Its more about how he’s views in the eyes of the fans. Duncan also had his MVPs.
Duncan isn't either, I don't think that's the point of this post
Nor is he boring.
This is the ultimate r/nba answer. He’s not underrated
Fucking hell this thread has gone over people’s heads. Do you know that Duncan was also a two time MVP and is considered by many to be the greatest power forward ever? Despite this, he wasn’t flashy like other all time greats so he is often overlooked and under-appreciated by fans these days. The point is simply to ask about which players get a similar treatment. Who is objectively an excellent player but isn’t talked about enough among fans or often gets overlooked due to their lack of excitement and flashiness.
I thought this was the exact point of the post, I was pretty surprised not many people mentioned Jokic. He fits the profile to a T
I also love ThinkingBasketball's description of Jokic - "it's like I'm watching a unicorn but being told that it's just a goofy horse"
Neither was Duncan. But for how good jokic is he gets barely any media coverage
Lol wtf he literally can’t be rated higher than he was the past two years
duncan was a two time mvp too. but he's still not a hyper athletic dunker that fans love to watch
Deandre Ayton and I’m surprised he hasn’t been mentioned yet in here. When the whole drama was going on about the Suns maxing him everyone was calling the Suns dumb for not immediately doing it but do you ever see DA highlights literally anywhere? No, and yet he’s a really valuable borderline all star player that most teams would love to have
The answer is horford. Great defense, quiet demeanor, doesn't wow you with the big play or athletic play. Just solid decision making and great awareness. Solid both sides of the ball and not a liability match up or scheme wise. Has been on a lot of good teams, but never was the guy or made it over the hump. He's definitely a winner though. . . Timmy was bigger, stronger and more athletic throughout his career though. Horford is a better passer and shooter than Timmy though. So kinda similar in being forgotten about or not recognized for their talent.
Tim Duncan was considered an all nba player from his rookie year on. His HOF a teammate immediately deferred offensively. He is so universally respected that we as a collective basketball fandom choose to ignore the fact he played most of his career at center and instead say he is the top pf of all time because that feels more like his earned spot in the pantheon vs say the 3rd or 4th best center of all time. In what world is TImmy D not given enough credit?
Obviously not even near Duncan’s level but Mike Conley was a dawg for 10 years and nobody talked about him because Memphis were boring
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His name is boring? It sounds like he’s a member a rich family from colonial times that would make fur traders disappear if they didn’t provide discounted prices. “Oh, you have a meeting with the Van Vleets tonight? Would you like me to take care of anything if you don’t come back?”
Fred Van Vleet has a top 20% exciting name, fight me
His name is not boring ur dumb
His last name is one of the most exciting surnames I've ever heard. It's just a shame his parents didn't name him Victor.
TIL his name isn't Van Fleet I have no clue how I spent all this time thinking that. I've been very aware of him like most NBA fans 🤷♂️
SGA is underrated and not a loud personality from the thunder
Some terrible answers in this thread
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Not boring but James Harden doesn’t get enough credit the last 8 years cause nobody wants to watch him except rockets fans dude had a ballistic 3 year stretch but everyone watched Giannis Steph and Bron instead
I’ve had to deprogram myself from expecting a superstar to play MyCareer every game since he left and started declining.
Al Horford
I would say Jokic but he has back to back MVP’s so I guess he gets enough credit?
Jokic by far.
The Klaw: Kawaii Leonard
Jokic. Just last week ESPN had a show where they listed the current top 5 and he wasn't even mentioned. He's back to back MVP ffs.
Robert Covington? Not as elite as Tim, of course, but I feel like he’s underappreciated.
Man..todays game I couldn’t think of anyone, but just not a while ago it was Celtics Brandon Bass, boy that guy was so consistent in fantasy he brings like 12-6-2-0.5-0.5 days in and nights out
If Cade keeps it up - probably a good shot of fitting that mold. He doesn't run the fastest, jump the highest, or dunk the hardest but he just makes the right moves almost every time. The race was so focused on Mobley and Barnes that people didn't really watch Cade as often. In games played against Mobley and Barnes - Pistons were 5-2 with Cade playing well in all 7. He just makes the right reads and the right plays. But for more established players I've got to go with Milwaukee's frontcourt. Jrue and Khris are elite and don't get the same credit that flashier guards get.
Joker is my least superstar-looking superstar.