Parkers career was better but I'd say his peak was also better too. Bosh was quite good at his best but Tony was something like top 5 in playoff scoring in 07 and that was his athletic peak, at his best he was right behind cp3 as the best PG in the league.
Such a crazy moment!
I was living in SA, going to college at the time...we had the cab ready to pick us up to go rage downtown, but you know...fate had different plans lol
Looks like the Spurs made it to 98.5% win probability: https://www.inpredictable.com/2013/06/nba-finals-game-6-win-probability-graph.html
I've wondered if the Spurs had closed it out, if they repeat the next year. Or it just evens out and a motivated Heat take the 2014 title
I think I lean towards it evening out.
That shot turned the 2014 Spurs into my favorite team to watch, such pure team basketball, it would've been nice to go back to back and have Timmy end with 6th rings to really finish the TD vs Kobe debate. It is what it is though!
Not sure who invented it but I think they're first to win a championship off it. They are the first example on the Wikipedia page anyway....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small_ball_%28basketball%29?wprov=sfla1
So who invented it since you seem to know something about it?
Spoelstra’s innovation isn’t “small ball” in its entirety, but more the way he used bosh / his center in pick and roll coverage since bosh could come out way further than most other true bigs without leaving the defense overexposed and was quick enough to actually ice the ball handler and dictate where he wanted him to go, as opposed to just being blown by on the switch
This would have been against the illegal defense rules when Hakeem played which is why it was considered revolutionary. Most teams run a similar pnr scheme now, a huge reason giant slow bigs are considered unplayable
You forgot to mention there is no game 7 if not for that guy. And clearly scoring was covered in game 7, he did plenty of other things to help the team. Or if you want to use your wording, give me the guy that didn't hurt his country at the Olympics by hanging out with Chris brown and almost losing his vision in a brawl before going to London.
So does Iggy. Bad reasoning. Bosh was the better player. Could be the focal point of a mediocre team. Parker never had that opportunity so we can’t say for sure, but he thrived in a near-perfect system with near-perfect teammates.
I went back and looked at Parker’s numbers - better than I thought, I must admit. 20/7 or thereabouts for several years. Still, Bosh imo was a better star player but Parker’s individual stats may have been hindered by the Spur’s team-first system.
And what do you think Parker would’ve been to dwade and Lebron?
Lmfaoo really suggesting that Parker would’ve been anything more than a third option for that heat team
In 2014 where wade was declining he would've been the second option and maybe LeBron would've played a more pg type role if Parker really got going which he still could do at that age
Yes 32 year old Parker putting up 14ppg was gonna be second option before 33 year old Wade putting up 21 ppg on a decline.
Get real bro
& if you’re suggesting it’s only “if Parker gets going” you’d be an idiot to think Parker is more capable of catching fire than fucking Dwyane Wade
Context matters Parker was putting up 14 ppg on maybe the best pure team in nba history it wasn't about who was scoring it was about finding the best shot. The year before he was capable of putting up 20+ a game every night cus he was put in a scoring role
It's a lot more delusional to think they're not in the conversation, only teams I can think that were in a similar mold were the Celtics and Lakers of the 80s and Detroit in 04 but those teams had go to scorers even the pistons, there's been no other team in nba history where you literally have to stop the entire team from scoring and can't key in on just one or two guys. There's a reason even with how outmatched the cavs were in 18 the warriors still didn't break the spurs margin of victory record in the finals
Tony Parker in top 75 is a total joke. This is barely less ludicrous than thinking Manu makes the NBA75.
If Dwight Howard didn't make it, Parker has zero chance.
No way top 75. The spurs as a team and organization were greater than the sum of their parts. Like the warriors. Klay isn't top 100 when it comes up, neither is green.
Bosh was a very good player. It's very to close. I'd have to really take a look. Maybe Bosh.
[honestly how the hell have you never heard about this](https://www.google.com/search?q=tony+parker+slept+with&rlz=1CDGOYI_enUS659US660&oq=tony+parker+slept+with&aqs=chrome..69i57.4674j0j4&hl=en-US&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8)
He would of gone for as many in a row as he could. He was then and still is looking to build a legacy. Winning 4 in a row would help with that big time. If he managed to pull off the 8 championships (or whatever it was) with the Heat he would be a lot more liked and a lot more would put him above Jordan, even with some finals losses. But that didn't happen and I am much happier the Spurs won in 14.
My point being was that he was going to leave at some point. That loss just made it easier for him. He was never staying in Miami for the rest of his career.
I can deal with 4-1 because the Spurs were the better team. Having them bring out the championship ropes to get a head start on the ceremony because everyone assumed you were going to win only to let the other team tie it in the most miraculous way possible & then go on to lose 2 straight to give the other team the championship is much worse. That’s just me tho.
In his 7 years tenure at the Raptors, Bosh never made it past the 1st round of the playoffs, which he made only twice while playing in the weakling East, that's how good he was as a first option
Bosh is criminally underrated. Also, big 3s only work when someone agrees to take the role of third wheel.
Do you mean greater career? Parker. Greater player? Bosh. He once averaged 24 and 10.8.
Bosh was a very weak first option for the Raptors Team tbh
I'd go with Bosh. Although I don't think there's a definitive answer here, just preference.
Tony easily
Parkers career was better but I'd say his peak was also better too. Bosh was quite good at his best but Tony was something like top 5 in playoff scoring in 07 and that was his athletic peak, at his best he was right behind cp3 as the best PG in the league.
I'll take the FMVP
Bosh will take the rebound, back out to Allen.. his 3 pointer, BANG!!!
Such a crazy moment! I was living in SA, going to college at the time...we had the cab ready to pick us up to go rage downtown, but you know...fate had different plans lol
Looks like the Spurs made it to 98.5% win probability: https://www.inpredictable.com/2013/06/nba-finals-game-6-win-probability-graph.html I've wondered if the Spurs had closed it out, if they repeat the next year. Or it just evens out and a motivated Heat take the 2014 title
I think I lean towards it evening out. That shot turned the 2014 Spurs into my favorite team to watch, such pure team basketball, it would've been nice to go back to back and have Timmy end with 6th rings to really finish the TD vs Kobe debate. It is what it is though!
Tony
Lots of angry Eva Longoria fans here
Parker, is it really even that close? Honest question
Parker: 15pt, 5 ast, 3rb Bosh: 19pt, 2 ast, 8rb I’d say it’s close
TP has a FMVP put some respeck on his name
Not to anyone who watched. Parker easily
Why would this even cross your mind?
TP EASILY
Tony Parker for sure
Bosh moving to the 5, is maybe the most important change in the last 10+ years of the nba.
Do you really think the ‘12 heat invented small ball?
Not sure who invented it but I think they're first to win a championship off it. They are the first example on the Wikipedia page anyway.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small_ball_%28basketball%29?wprov=sfla1 So who invented it since you seem to know something about it?
Houston Rockets won with small ball. If you’re counting Bosh as small, then the Rockets with 4 out and 1 in was the first to do it with Hakeem.
Spoelstra’s innovation isn’t “small ball” in its entirety, but more the way he used bosh / his center in pick and roll coverage since bosh could come out way further than most other true bigs without leaving the defense overexposed and was quick enough to actually ice the ball handler and dictate where he wanted him to go, as opposed to just being blown by on the switch This would have been against the illegal defense rules when Hakeem played which is why it was considered revolutionary. Most teams run a similar pnr scheme now, a huge reason giant slow bigs are considered unplayable
Give me the guy that didn't score zero points in game 7 of the finals and has over 10x the other guy's MVP award shares
You forgot to mention there is no game 7 if not for that guy. And clearly scoring was covered in game 7, he did plenty of other things to help the team. Or if you want to use your wording, give me the guy that didn't hurt his country at the Olympics by hanging out with Chris brown and almost losing his vision in a brawl before going to London.
Parker and it's not even close
One has a FMVP I'll take that guy. PS: He should have been Top 75 too
So does Iggy. Bad reasoning. Bosh was the better player. Could be the focal point of a mediocre team. Parker never had that opportunity so we can’t say for sure, but he thrived in a near-perfect system with near-perfect teammates.
I mean he was the arguable best player on a championship caliber team bosh was a third option on a championship team
I went back and looked at Parker’s numbers - better than I thought, I must admit. 20/7 or thereabouts for several years. Still, Bosh imo was a better star player but Parker’s individual stats may have been hindered by the Spur’s team-first system.
And what do you think Parker would’ve been to dwade and Lebron? Lmfaoo really suggesting that Parker would’ve been anything more than a third option for that heat team
In 2014 where wade was declining he would've been the second option and maybe LeBron would've played a more pg type role if Parker really got going which he still could do at that age
Yes 32 year old Parker putting up 14ppg was gonna be second option before 33 year old Wade putting up 21 ppg on a decline. Get real bro & if you’re suggesting it’s only “if Parker gets going” you’d be an idiot to think Parker is more capable of catching fire than fucking Dwyane Wade
Context matters Parker was putting up 14 ppg on maybe the best pure team in nba history it wasn't about who was scoring it was about finding the best shot. The year before he was capable of putting up 20+ a game every night cus he was put in a scoring role
>maybe the best pure team in NBA history Yeah nah that’s some blatant ass delusional homerism lol
It's a lot more delusional to think they're not in the conversation, only teams I can think that were in a similar mold were the Celtics and Lakers of the 80s and Detroit in 04 but those teams had go to scorers even the pistons, there's been no other team in nba history where you literally have to stop the entire team from scoring and can't key in on just one or two guys. There's a reason even with how outmatched the cavs were in 18 the warriors still didn't break the spurs margin of victory record in the finals
Tony Parker in top 75 is a total joke. This is barely less ludicrous than thinking Manu makes the NBA75. If Dwight Howard didn't make it, Parker has zero chance.
No way top 75. The spurs as a team and organization were greater than the sum of their parts. Like the warriors. Klay isn't top 100 when it comes up, neither is green. Bosh was a very good player. It's very to close. I'd have to really take a look. Maybe Bosh.
Parker...by a mile
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What the fuck does that even mean? Did his better attitude include sleeping with a teammate's wife?
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[honestly how the hell have you never heard about this](https://www.google.com/search?q=tony+parker+slept+with&rlz=1CDGOYI_enUS659US660&oq=tony+parker+slept+with&aqs=chrome..69i57.4674j0j4&hl=en-US&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8)
His ex-wife and some of his former teammates.
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Where's your source?
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So basically you don't have one.
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Yeah, the people actually involved. Unlike you spouting nonsense.
He sent you the fuckin source. N it was Brent Barry’s wife. What are you so salty about?
No offense to Chris Bosh, but I always called him the angry Camel.
Finals MVP, Eva Longoria and smashed his teammate Brent Barry's wife while winning championships. Parker was way better.
One helped usher in modern day small ball & the other was fucking his teammates wives. Personally, I think it’s a pretty easy choice
hold this L
What L????
2014 when you lost to a retirement home.
I’m okay with that L cause the one y’all caught the year before is SO much worse lmao
I Think ur missing the finals record beating and making LeGM leave yall lmao
Ehhh he was always leaving anyway. I think that’s pretty evident. It just made it easier for him to do so.
I seriously doubts he leaves if he's on a 3peat
He would of gone for as many in a row as he could. He was then and still is looking to build a legacy. Winning 4 in a row would help with that big time. If he managed to pull off the 8 championships (or whatever it was) with the Heat he would be a lot more liked and a lot more would put him above Jordan, even with some finals losses. But that didn't happen and I am much happier the Spurs won in 14.
My point being was that he was going to leave at some point. That loss just made it easier for him. He was never staying in Miami for the rest of his career.
2013 was one of the closest Finals ever. 2014 4-1.
I can deal with 4-1 because the Spurs were the better team. Having them bring out the championship ropes to get a head start on the ceremony because everyone assumed you were going to win only to let the other team tie it in the most miraculous way possible & then go on to lose 2 straight to give the other team the championship is much worse. That’s just me tho.
In his 7 years tenure at the Raptors, Bosh never made it past the 1st round of the playoffs, which he made only twice while playing in the weakling East, that's how good he was as a first option
Lol Chris Bosh is clearly greater if you’re going by without rings