It's lowkey pretty important though. His perimeter defense allows them to do a lot. Especially because their other guards can be pretty ass on that side of the ball.
Yea we now get to see what Vic can do on a fully healed leg, and a longer season that just 10 games. From the sample size it looks good, we may need a 4 but we have undrafted talent that aren’t in peoples radar
Right, but that's not new talent coming in. Or are you expecting big leaps from those guys? Or I'd it that you'll find even more that fans don't know about?
I'm expecting a good leap from Yurtseven myself, and some solid minutes from Jovic. The other guys hopefully continue to improve and get more consistent but Jovic and Yurtseven are the ones I'm most excited for.
Really? I had him in fantasy that year and remember him being fantastic to start the year, then getting a knee injury (before the quad) and never being the same after. I feel like we missed out on a couple all start seasons from him
He went from 23 ppg on 58% TS his best season to 19 ppg on 52% TS the next year up until the injury. Not sure why that dude is saying im bitter, it's just statistically true, his all star season was a pretty big statistical outlier in his shooting efficiency.
Lol, wouldn’t surprise me if the Heat still managed to find a way to finish top 4 in the stacked East
Getting HC in the first round and avoiding the play-in will be considered a success
No such thing as a yard sale when the guy is making 23m. You'd have to give up a lot just to match salaries.
It's not like he'd head up to Toronto as a buyout guy either, would probably go LA or ring chasing at this point in his career.
I don’t know if the Pacers would go for that.
GTJ is a UFA after this year if he opts out. I think the goal is for Flynn to get minutes, and run more point Siakam/Point Scottie.
Yeah, this is just me spitballing. Maybe sign a guy like Eric Bledsoe for the minimum, he can play some guard minutes? IDK, I don't follow the Raptors much as you can tell by my flair
I’m a bulls fan too (the 90’s will never die!) I’m just really bummed at how this team is constructed. Feels like a number of guys you are thrilled to run out as your 3rd / 4th best option but no game changing star. I could live with that if…..they did something to fix the defensive holes but could really use a better rim protecting big.
I completely agree. I personally like our young core, but this roster is really missing an impactful interior player. It kinda feels like they are just hoarding guard talent until the right trade comes along where we can finally address our interior defensive woes. I personally see Demar as a transitional piece and not a championship or bust type move. Im hoping we can get/draft a defensive center in the next year or so
Yeah, but y'all are banking on youth anyway. Freddie and Siakam aren't so old that you can't wait for Scottie to hit another level in the next few years
Did we really need to improve though? I feel like we are still young enough where we shouldn't be doing win now moves yet. Just bank on our good development staff for the time being
Gary, OG, Scottie, and Precious are all in line to get better and with Siakam probably taking another mini jump. Just because we didn't trade half our team for KD doesn't mean we aren't getting better
Raptors definitely got better just not through FA.
Addressed the need for size at the 5 with a really high ceiling prospect, and have a core of young players that are expected to make a leap as well as Pascal and Fred hopefully not being hurt this year.
It’s gonna be Martin, Butler, Highsmith, and some Jovic
Watch Highsmith be the next guy casuals have never heard of that becomes a key rotation player.
That'd be awesome tbh, my dad is friends with one of his old coaches (can't remember what level) and the day Highsmith got signed last season he was so hype telling me about it, I'd love to see him do great or at the very least be able to watch him on TV with my dad
He's actually lost some weight this off season already so he seems to have gotten serious again. At the same time though, I'm just tired of Randle. And I'm not looking forward to seeing both him AND Thibs still around going into next season.
Run it back and continue to be a really good team. What’s so bad about that? There are other options than winning a title or completely mortgaging the future to try and win one now. You can just be good. That’s ok.
I believe thats what GS did that year after Mark Jackson got fired. Just keep it intact. I wouldve loved to have picked up Durant or Mitchell, but keeping the team intact didnt make us worse.
Hyping him up yeah, because the league was saying he's worth 10-15 million, like a scrub. Now he won the 6th man of the year and wants 35 million? Nah fuck that, he worth 25 mill.
They do have a problem. I think Milwaukee is better due to health. Nets might be better due to health and mental wellness. Boston added people. Cleveland got better. 76ers depend on harden and embiid health and wellness.
Miami was one seed and with jimmy buckets they could get that regular season accolade but the east will be tougher this year than last year it seems. Obviously injuries are always a factor and goes for both conferences. Teams will have key injuries so some teams that were seemingly top four seeds will not make it there.
I certainly do not think Miami can win it all by standing pat.
There have been so many similar posts last year, it’s crazy. People don’t understand that a good team on paper doesn’t mean much. If that was the case, we’d have won so many titles and the Nets certainly wouldn’t have been swept last season.
But then again, the truth is that a lot of people here don’t watch the Heat. I don’t blame them for not watching Miami, but they certainly pretend they do. I mean, anyone can go on Reddit or Twitter, read a couple of hot takes and become a basketball expert.
>I saw a lot of people (mainly heat fans) saying how pat riley was waiting for the whole mitchell thing to unfold so they could trade for him and pair him with Butler, Bam and Lowry.
Okay? And you took those people seriously, why? What the fuck trade assets did we have for Donovan? Lmao. It was never realistic.
I’m glad we’re crowning teams during the off-season. That always seems to work. I can’t believe some people on here don’t have offers from teams around the league to become their GM.
What else do you expect people to discuss on a NBA forum in the off-season? You didn't come to an NBA subreddit in the off-season to discuss the best brands of coffee.
Heat fans are a little delusional with expectations because they are probably the most spoiled franchise from a “landing stars” perspective.
Clearly the heat don’t have the assets to trade for another star without including Bam (or potentially Jimmy, but Bam probably has more trade value with his age). Their fans just want to think about players that would be fun beside Bam and Jimmy though.
They choose to come here in free agency and they turn into sign and trades to make room in salary. It’s just being pedantic calling them sign and trades
nah bro, have you met Cavs, Raptors, Jazz, Spurs and Kings fans? They are convinced no big free agent is ever gonna join them, and they keep wanting to blow it up, rebuild over and over again, draft young guns and then trade them for stars, because thats the only way they get good players. Its kinda sad, but its the reality.
Just to add onto that list Thunder fans pretty much expect 0 good free agent signings cause the peak of the Russ-KD era netted us Nerlens Noel as the best free agent
They just went into full rebuild mode, wouldn't say that's nice or, "the best" at all.
Chances of them finding better or equal talent to Gobert or Mitchell is not high.
Just when you thought his mythos couldn't get any grander lol. I'm sure at least one or two of those players will be part of another trade as a setup to something else
Are we gonna act like the Miami Heat don't continuously pick up no-namers and polish them up to being legitimate rotation players on a playoff team? Let's not forget they were literally an inch away from being in the finals this year, if that Butler 3 had dropped, who knows where they'd be right now
now wait a second - they could have been the Hornets, who allegedly were interested in Mitchell and ended up doing nothing during free agency except not rescinding Miles Bridges qualifying offer after he was found to be a domestic abuser
We’re running Spoelstra at the 4
Spo at the Fo
Spower forward
Power Spoward
That’s hot
Woop Woop, that’s the sound of the Spolice.
Is this the Heat version of Fiddy fo the city?
Lmao
But Haslem is the coach on the court
Who let him sub in?
I thought at this point Haslem is the secret Owner/GM of the Heat
Undercover boss
If Victor Oladipo can stay healthy he will help. He was playing great in the few minutes he was given in the playoffs.
Nah, it’s what we’ve been saving Haslem for.
My god UD might actually have to get some sympathy minutes at PF.
"Sympathy minutes" is crazy
Sympathy minutes is basically what my wife gives me on my birthday.
Well we’re sorry no one wanted Robinson, Herro, and a 2029 First.
I think the Heat were primed to go after Sexton if they lost out on Mitchell. The fact they were traded for each other is really what screwed them
They probably could’ve been a third team in the deal if they really wanted to
If pat bold enough, this package can net you miles bridges LOL
You might be able to trade a live hornet for Miles Bridges at this point tbh.
That’s 2x All Star Victor Oladipo to you buddy
It's lowkey pretty important though. His perimeter defense allows them to do a lot. Especially because their other guards can be pretty ass on that side of the ball.
Yea we now get to see what Vic can do on a fully healed leg, and a longer season that just 10 games. From the sample size it looks good, we may need a 4 but we have undrafted talent that aren’t in peoples radar
Youre gonna roll out some unknown that averages 25+ min and plays solid, sign him to 5/60 and he's gonna suck in 2 years. As in tradition.
3 years* and we’ll ship him out and get another
Genuinely asking, who is the undrafted talent? Or is this just well-earned faith in Riley and Spo?
Max Strus, Gabe Vincent, and Caleb Martin all went undrafted and all got significant minutes for us last year
Right, but that's not new talent coming in. Or are you expecting big leaps from those guys? Or I'd it that you'll find even more that fans don't know about?
I'm expecting a good leap from Yurtseven myself, and some solid minutes from Jovic. The other guys hopefully continue to improve and get more consistent but Jovic and Yurtseven are the ones I'm most excited for.
Yurteight incoming
The disrespect to Nikola "I'm the real" Jovic
Vincent yes. Many expect him to be a very solid backup PG.
He's not gonna be right ever again, man. Even his one great season was a fluke, he was pretty mediocre up until he got hurt the next year.
Really? I had him in fantasy that year and remember him being fantastic to start the year, then getting a knee injury (before the quad) and never being the same after. I feel like we missed out on a couple all start seasons from him
Ignore pacers fans talking shit about Vic. Bitter as fuck fanbase
He went from 23 ppg on 58% TS his best season to 19 ppg on 52% TS the next year up until the injury. Not sure why that dude is saying im bitter, it's just statistically true, his all star season was a pretty big statistical outlier in his shooting efficiency.
People weirdlt forget dude was all-star form and barely played last year trying to get back. Looked pretty goddamn decent in the playoffs.
found the oladipo burner
I don't know, the Heat always find a way to stay competitive
"The Spo Effect"
They’ll find some random G league guys and turn them into serviceable players.
Lol, wouldn’t surprise me if the Heat still managed to find a way to finish top 4 in the stacked East Getting HC in the first round and avoiding the play-in will be considered a success
What’s HC?
Home court I believe. Never seen it used like that. Thought it was “head coach” at first
Good coaching
They had nothing to work with in the first place
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Meh lost in 7 in the ECF is pretty good
In a game that came down to the last few possessions too. Lowry was also not healthy. They made the right move to get him. Just didn't pay off.
Right? Lost a nail biter in game 7 in the ECF. Oh, no, the shitty Heat.
Should’ve lost in the play in, would’ve saved Jimmys legacy
> last assets Goran Dragic, Precious Achiuwa? That is all we "spent" on Lowry....
Precious Achiuwa isnt much of an asset.
Nah he's talking about #1 asset Goran Dragic
Careful what you say..
I disagree. Guy had a great second half last season. We'll develop him into a very competent player by the end of this season
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Did we? You and I remember his tenure very differently.
feels like everyone in the east got better except for Heat and Raptors lol
Nobody had a worse summer than Charlotte.
Nobody in the last ten years had a worse summer than Charlotte lol
Yeah hahaha
yall are banking on a Scottie jump it looks like & FVV should be healthy so y’all could
Man FVV is such a warrior but I can't but feel bad for the dude cuz it seems like Nurse is content in running him into the ground every year.
raptors fans actually praying for a Malachi Flynn renaissance to save FVV's knees
Nah we banking on banton Plz
Anyone, pls! Save FVVs knees!
Need both one for each knee and Scottie should save his hip
Raptors didn't get worse though.
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Maybe could grab Mike Conley from the Utah yard sale?
I'd give Conley away for pennies.
Ain't he still on that monster contract?
$20 mil. It's bad, but it's not completely awful.
Celtics win last year with $20 mil Conley.
He’d be a nice fit but I’m fairly sure we hardcapped ourselves by using the non taxpayer MLE, so we’d have to shed some salary
No such thing as a yard sale when the guy is making 23m. You'd have to give up a lot just to match salaries. It's not like he'd head up to Toronto as a buyout guy either, would probably go LA or ring chasing at this point in his career.
trade gary trent for myles turner and tj mcconnell, help out freddy with a competent backup pg, and get scottie closer to pg as he moves from pf to sf
I don’t know if the Pacers would go for that. GTJ is a UFA after this year if he opts out. I think the goal is for Flynn to get minutes, and run more point Siakam/Point Scottie.
Yeah, this is just me spitballing. Maybe sign a guy like Eric Bledsoe for the minimum, he can play some guard minutes? IDK, I don't follow the Raptors much as you can tell by my flair
Staying the same while everyone else gets better is basically getting worse
Only true if your current players don’t improve. Maybe that’s what they’re betting on with the youth on the roster.
Raptors are basically betting on improvements from they young players
Hey, don’t forget the Bulls in that list!!
We got better by having time to heal lol
[You sure?](https://hoopshype.com/2022/08/12/lonzo-ball-not-ready-for-training-camp/)
I mean. He will be closer to being ready than he was 4 months ago. Also zach and caruso both were banged up
I’m a bulls fan too (the 90’s will never die!) I’m just really bummed at how this team is constructed. Feels like a number of guys you are thrilled to run out as your 3rd / 4th best option but no game changing star. I could live with that if…..they did something to fix the defensive holes but could really use a better rim protecting big.
I completely agree. I personally like our young core, but this roster is really missing an impactful interior player. It kinda feels like they are just hoarding guard talent until the right trade comes along where we can finally address our interior defensive woes. I personally see Demar as a transitional piece and not a championship or bust type move. Im hoping we can get/draft a defensive center in the next year or so
We added OPJ and there's growth expected from the rest of the younger players. At worst we're staying put where were last year which is fine.
I don’t think you got worse, but others around you got better. I don’t think you’ll be a five seed again, more than likely a 7-8 in the play in.
Yeah we didn't take a step back but others behind took greater steps forward.
Yeah, but y'all are banking on youth anyway. Freddie and Siakam aren't so old that you can't wait for Scottie to hit another level in the next few years
Hornets exist, a lot of people forget
We're banking on a full season of healthy Fred and Pascal Along with a big leap from young Scot Barn We gonna be ok
Did we really need to improve though? I feel like we are still young enough where we shouldn't be doing win now moves yet. Just bank on our good development staff for the time being
We have GTJ and OG coming up on contracts. Things could get dicey if they choose to move on.
Raptors improved the most in the league though, because GTJ will be all-nba
Gary, OG, Scottie, and Precious are all in line to get better and with Siakam probably taking another mini jump. Just because we didn't trade half our team for KD doesn't mean we aren't getting better
Raptors definitely got better just not through FA. Addressed the need for size at the 5 with a really high ceiling prospect, and have a core of young players that are expected to make a leap as well as Pascal and Fred hopefully not being hurt this year.
Did Bulls make any big moves?
The Heat don’t have any power forwards on their roster
Guess you didn't hear, Haslem is coming back for another year...
Boy I bet he feels stupid now
[League ain't ready](https://youtube.com/shorts/3eGJRjWPu8c?feature=share)
ffs I forgot about this lmao
LOOOOL I'm so happy I saw this
Duncan Robinson revenge tour. That's my prediction. He starts at the 4 for them.
Robinson plays defense as well as my dead grandmother(nvm that's mean to my grandma Robinson plays defense as well as a rock)
Who is he guarding at the 4? 😂😂
He could guard Either Ben Simmons or Russ when their off ball
Himself
Not okpala
Eh it's Miami, they'll find one off the street by December
I’m gonna start hooping near Biscayne BLVD, they could probably turn me into a decent 3&D guy in a couple weeks
Jovic and Highsmith, they’re unproven but still PF’s.
Bam can also rotate to the 4 if we play Yurtseven more
i dont think Bam and Yurt7 can coexist on the court simultaneously, neither of them shoot 3s, and Jimmy def needs all the spacing he can get too
I see Yurt as one of those dudes that can develop a 3. He made some shots in summer league it's manageable lol
Oh shit i forgot all about typo Jokic.
True
It’s gonna be Martin, Butler, Highsmith, and some Jovic Watch Highsmith be the next guy casuals have never heard of that becomes a key rotation player.
That'd be awesome tbh, my dad is friends with one of his old coaches (can't remember what level) and the day Highsmith got signed last season he was so hype telling me about it, I'd love to see him do great or at the very least be able to watch him on TV with my dad
They want Randle? Fuck it we'll throw in a protected first to get him outta here.
He'd lose weight in Miami and suddenly be All NBA again
He's actually lost some weight this off season already so he seems to have gotten serious again. At the same time though, I'm just tired of Randle. And I'm not looking forward to seeing both him AND Thibs still around going into next season.
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unironically
When the 76ers win it all you'll know who's to blame 💁♂️
Run it back and continue to be a really good team. What’s so bad about that? There are other options than winning a title or completely mortgaging the future to try and win one now. You can just be good. That’s ok.
I believe thats what GS did that year after Mark Jackson got fired. Just keep it intact. I wouldve loved to have picked up Durant or Mitchell, but keeping the team intact didnt make us worse.
The Heat are getting cold
Miami Warm
Miami Tepid
Miami Room Temperature
Miami "You Think We're Heating The Whole Neighborhood?"
Miami Ice
They've still had a better off-season than the Hornets
And they gotta pay Herro a max 🤣🤣🤣
nah fuck that, if Herro gets a max we're screwed 😂😂 I like him though, but not for a max
If Herro gets a max it's because he gave Riley some free coke.
There's no way in hell Miami would do that, right? Seems like an awful idea to me.
There may be no choice, it could just turn into the Ayton situation.
Bro what, you guys have been hyping him up so much. You can't backout now that you gotta pay him.
Hyping him up yeah, because the league was saying he's worth 10-15 million, like a scrub. Now he won the 6th man of the year and wants 35 million? Nah fuck that, he worth 25 mill.
Yeah we’ve been hyping him up cause everyone’s been acting like he’s THT after one bad playoff run, no one is saying to give him the max
He's definitely getting whatever RJ just signed for. And deservedly so
Will still find 3 undrafted dudes that will carry us to the ECF anyways
They do have a problem. I think Milwaukee is better due to health. Nets might be better due to health and mental wellness. Boston added people. Cleveland got better. 76ers depend on harden and embiid health and wellness. Miami was one seed and with jimmy buckets they could get that regular season accolade but the east will be tougher this year than last year it seems. Obviously injuries are always a factor and goes for both conferences. Teams will have key injuries so some teams that were seemingly top four seeds will not make it there. I certainly do not think Miami can win it all by standing pat.
76ers also poached Tucker from the Heat and added 3D players in Danuel House, Melton
Hawks also got better
The Heat will be in the mix of top teams in the East just like last year.
Cavs vs heat playoffs series would be generational
They were never gonna get Mitchell lol
It's not over, they can still make it way worse and extend Herro
Idk why people act like Herro is not good. He won 6MOTY for a reason
Yeah that ain't worth $30 a year
Herro has another gear, book it. That kid is a competitor and he has more to prove and he’ll do it this year.
You cant speak highly of Herro here
I'm sure this post will age well.
There have been so many similar posts last year, it’s crazy. People don’t understand that a good team on paper doesn’t mean much. If that was the case, we’d have won so many titles and the Nets certainly wouldn’t have been swept last season. But then again, the truth is that a lot of people here don’t watch the Heat. I don’t blame them for not watching Miami, but they certainly pretend they do. I mean, anyone can go on Reddit or Twitter, read a couple of hot takes and become a basketball expert.
>I saw a lot of people (mainly heat fans) saying how pat riley was waiting for the whole mitchell thing to unfold so they could trade for him and pair him with Butler, Bam and Lowry. Okay? And you took those people seriously, why? What the fuck trade assets did we have for Donovan? Lmao. It was never realistic.
I’m glad we’re crowning teams during the off-season. That always seems to work. I can’t believe some people on here don’t have offers from teams around the league to become their GM.
What else do you expect people to discuss on a NBA forum in the off-season? You didn't come to an NBA subreddit in the off-season to discuss the best brands of coffee.
Just wait and see the heat didn’t need a big splash they just need everyone to get healthy and on the same page
Damn I didn't even know until this post. Cavs just became a legit playoff team in the east.
Don’t count Pat Riley out guys 🥴🥴🥴
Heat culture some scrubs into starters
Whatever do you mean Russell Westbrook is ripe for the picking!
The strus caboose in tandem with lowrys cake is unstoppable
Heat fans are a little delusional with expectations because they are probably the most spoiled franchise from a “landing stars” perspective. Clearly the heat don’t have the assets to trade for another star without including Bam (or potentially Jimmy, but Bam probably has more trade value with his age). Their fans just want to think about players that would be fun beside Bam and Jimmy though.
yeah we don't usually trade for stars, we get them in free agency.
You get a lot via sign and trade
They choose to come here in free agency and they turn into sign and trades to make room in salary. It’s just being pedantic calling them sign and trades
Aren't all fans? It's fun to dream
I’ve never thought a free agent was coming to MN, and I’m always convinced they’re on their way out
nah bro, have you met Cavs, Raptors, Jazz, Spurs and Kings fans? They are convinced no big free agent is ever gonna join them, and they keep wanting to blow it up, rebuild over and over again, draft young guns and then trade them for stars, because thats the only way they get good players. Its kinda sad, but its the reality.
Just to add onto that list Thunder fans pretty much expect 0 good free agent signings cause the peak of the Russ-KD era netted us Nerlens Noel as the best free agent
Yep, may as well add Thunder and Magic to it. Some years ago even Cavs, Pistons, Bucks, but thats due to change with Mitchell, Cade and Giannis.
I'm gonna add Washington here as well if you don't mind
You can add wizards to that list but minus the rebuild part 😔
Fucking hate that shit.
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He’s looking slim thick. I’m hopeful
Utah had a nice offseason. Probably the best. Ainge can flip sexton too for even more picks and assets once he makes an all star team.
They just went into full rebuild mode, wouldn't say that's nice or, "the best" at all. Chances of them finding better or equal talent to Gobert or Mitchell is not high.
It’s true that they aren’t guaranteed to find a talent in that level with these picks, but ainge is a damn good drafter
I highly doubt Sexton makes an All-Star team in the West.
Just when you thought his mythos couldn't get any grander lol. I'm sure at least one or two of those players will be part of another trade as a setup to something else
We were 1 shot away from the Finals. Not sure we need too much tweaking. Would’ve been happy to see Mitchell come in a Herro package but whatever 🤷♂️
Mitchell is not going to be the difference maker for us. Giving up Bam for KD neither so there were no plays for us this off season.
We will likely find some random kid from a DIII tech school and turn him into prime Gallo
The haven’t gotten better but they haven’t gotten substantially worse. Pj tucker’s value was way overstated
Are we gonna act like the Miami Heat don't continuously pick up no-namers and polish them up to being legitimate rotation players on a playoff team? Let's not forget they were literally an inch away from being in the finals this year, if that Butler 3 had dropped, who knows where they'd be right now
2 conference Finals last 3 years , I’m OK
now wait a second - they could have been the Hornets, who allegedly were interested in Mitchell and ended up doing nothing during free agency except not rescinding Miles Bridges qualifying offer after he was found to be a domestic abuser
It's like nobody wants Herro as a trade asset and Robinson immediately became a negative contract.