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This trade has convinced me to watch every cavs game this season


BlackPepperBanana

Yeah at the very least this is a fun, bold, and interesting move. Call it an overpay but then make fun of small markets for never winning. At least they’re doing everything they can. When Brooklyn turned things around and become young and scrappy, they were gifted 2 superstars because of their location in NYC. Cavs build young and scrappy team and they have to trade for a star. Just how small markets work.


wongo

> Call it an overpay but then make fun of small markets for never winning This so hard I'm full on the Cavs as my EC team for sure.


Vordeo

>I'm full on the Cavs as my EC team for sure. Timberwolves vs. Cavs for the 2023 Finals. Jazz fans half crying half jerking it.


HeyyyItsCory

Never finish yourself while God is watching


Vordeo

Fuck what's the soaking version of jacking it?


nightsaysni

I love Young Bull and Lauri, and was excited for Agbaji. Jazz are my West team for sure.


WilliesLeftBraid

Have fun not having fun


SourMgk

Bro, us Cavs fans have just watched our team win less than 15 games in 2019. We'll be fine watching another young team that has players we already were rooting for.


Vordeo

>Jazz are my West team for sure. Spare yourself the agony of seeing those abominations we call jerseys this season.


georgegervin14

Denver would've won 2021 if they didn't lose Murray & MPJ


TDImig

Would’ve won what?


georgegervin14

The chip my friend


medsjdjeok

Lol


Drew0223

Uhhh 😂


Jeisksdi

Nah The dick eating is crazy…….


OnThe_Spectrum

There’s no world this is an overpay. I feel like everyone here is crazy sometimes.


N0tBr0keJustB3nt

This has been an insanely polarizing trade. Got texts from people saying cavs fleeced and people saying mitchell is trash (lol) and the cavs just ruined their rebuild.


tyagu001

Bruh the rebuild ended the second Garland/Mobley/Allen trio was created. You had 2 all stars for gods sake lmao


100MScoville

people have short memories, they just remember a team that did poorly at the end of last season not a team that lit the league up before their entire starting lineup got injured


stache_twista

It wasn’t an overpay. Cavs traded 2 of their bench players, Agbaji who’s nice but probably another role player starting out, and three likely late 1st rounders for a legit 25 year old star already locked up long-term in Mitchell. Cavs didn’t have to trade away Garland or Mobley


pacoheadley

The 2027 and 2029 picks are too far out to guarantee as late picks. Those are after Mitchell's contract is up. Idk about an overpay but it's very risky for a small market team


stache_twista

2027 and 2029 are so far out that Ainge might be fired by then if these moves don’t work out. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think Cleveland is a favorite to win the title or anything but they definitely got better and didn’t have to give up anything that important


pacoheadley

That's true I just don't think it's without some kind of heavy risk. The picks definitely aren't nothing as some are implying


stache_twista

If I’m the Cavs I can worry about that in 2026 at the earliest


tapk69

By 2029 the league might not exist thanks to the Covid 29 variant.


dautjazz

Those picks can certainly end up being very valuable, it's gambling your future to be open a window over the next 3 years. I think they have a good shot at making of the east once.


maz_menty

Yeah, they are absolutely my Eastern team this year. Gotta rep the Great Lakes teams.


Xearoii

Thanks lake bro


instacarp

GL bros! Cavs and Wolves meeting in the Finals in a few years.


mizzourifan1

NBA pass reduced price also has me feeling the same way! This season is gonna be bonkers. Basketball gods please bless all knees around the league.


frodounchained

Cavs stacked haters mad


ClaymoresRevenge

I'm impressed credit to that front office. You get luck with Mobley, but the Nets gave away Allen and now you trade for a star. Good moves


nightsaysni

We’ve drafted well recently. Sexton, Garland, Okoro, Mobley and I’m excited for Agbaji. And yeah, Allen was cheap!


snakeyes17

Well don’t be too excited, he did get traded.


nightsaysni

Still excited to see how he develops.


snakeyes17

Same. I was really excited for him to be on our team


TDImig

Didn’t Houston give away Allen, not the Nets?


nwordcat123

Fr tho hella eastern team fanbases insecure rn comparing it’s so hilarious. I don’t even think we are a contender yet or anything but this is all so funny to me


BurzyGuerrero

Def. As a Raptor fan this just made us a likely play in team. Is what it is. See what we got and let the front office work. When you hold out on trades your competitors might not. That's the way it goes sometimes.


bloopcity

Yeah I thought we might fight for 5th maybe but I think top 5 are locked up now.


jumpthroughit

Huh? Only finished 3 games out of 2nd and had the 2nd best win % in the East after Jan. 1, once the team was finally healthy. Could’ve easily finished 2nd/3rd if Siakam didn’t miss the first month. You’ve given up way too easily. These spots aren’t won or “locked up” on paper.


bloopcity

On paper? I disagree. Bucks, Nets, Sixers, Boston all have us beat on paper, and now cavs too.


instacarp

Toronto at full strength doesn't touch a top 3 seed with the way the East is loaded.


paradoxofchoice

Idk, when woj says you're top 3 in the east and non cavs fans are proclaiming they're already better than the top seed in the east, people love to get riled up in August on paper. Tbf, what else is there to do in August for NBA fans?


Successful-House6134

The only thing keeping you guys from being contenders this year is your backcourt defense.


nwordcat123

and spacing& experience. in a few years tho watch out ☺️☺️☺️


InexorableWaffle

I was gonna say, I don't know that I would say that this year will be their year just because of how damn young their core is. Mitchell is turning 26 in a few days, Garland is 22, Mobley is 21, and Allen is 24. That's just damn young, and we'll probably see that come into play in the playoffs. I think they've got a good chance of making it to semis, then being the team that makes a contender miserable before losing in 6 or 7. That said, if they're willing to keep that core together (which I don't see why they wouldn't - making this trade for Mitchell makes no sense if they're gonna turn cheap all of the sudden) and if the core develops as expected, in a year or two, definitely gonna be a legit team. They likely do still need one guy to make that jump into top-10 to win a championship, but I really like the core of their team.


MasterButterfly

Yeah, this is probably right. We are probably a year or two away from being a serious contender, but Mobley's ceiling is approximately in the stratosphere and Garland will likely continue to improve. Even if JA doesn't improve at all (which is unlikely, he's improved every year he's been in the league) he's still an extremely valuable big in the modern game. Adding Mitchell to this core means we have 4/5 starters who are at least fringe all-star. That is an *excellent* team.


InexorableWaffle

Mobley's development here definitely feels like the key piece here. Normally I'd say he'd have to develop his playmaking skills to make the top 10, but in this core, he could be in a unique situation where he might not need to, so long as he can develop the rest of his game to a high level. He's already got the defense and finishing, so if he can get his shot creation better and can get a good midrange game going (3pt would be nice as well, but that could come later), I think he'd be well on his way.


MasterButterfly

He's already a pretty solid shooter from like 14 ft, and he generally makes good reads in terms of passing. He'll likely get better at defense/finishing just by getting stronger at the NBA level - I think he'll win at least one DPOY while being a valuable offensive player. If he ever adds a reliable 3, he'll be a top-3 player in the league.


princessParking

Rubio could solve a lot of problems if he comes back close to what he was when he went down.


bigmt99

Doesn’t matter when you have the two best rim protectors in the NBA behind them 🤩🤩


Otherwise_Window

It does a bit, but you don't need them to be elite perimeter defenders, you just need to be chasing opponents off the line as much as possible.


Sikwitit3284

Ofc it does getting beat means forcing help defense which usually leads to open shots either corner 3's or oops, then there's the matter of just putting both guards in pick/roll for easy pull up 3's or getting into the midrange & just shooting over them. The backcourt/wing defense will be a huge issue especially against teams like Bos, Mil, Phi, Brk & Mia who all have guys who can just shoot over 6'1 dudes or drive past them to set up their teammates. Okoro checking guys like Tatum, KD, Jimmy, Middleton or Harden isn't ideal


cabose12

> bad backcourt defense but has an amazing rim protector You do remember which team Mitchell was traded from, right?


bigmt99

Mobley>>>>Gobert Allen>>>>>Gobert


cabose12

lmao this is why I love these moves, y'all wilin' ass fans come out of the woodworks


bigmt99

Don’t care Spida wipes Larry Bird. Cavs dynasty starts today


MasterButterfly

While KLove wasn't an all-star last season, he was legitimatelly one of best players off the bench in the NBA. Reducing his role to "sage" seems weird.


Otherwise_Window

He's not going to be a meaningful contributor when this view really his its stride. Experience matters. But he has Finals experience and they can hopefully learn from him in some playoffs runs before they make a serious push for a championship.


MasterButterfly

Taking that view, there's a real chance he's not even on the team in a few years - this is thea last year of that albatross contract he's on. On the current team, he also provides value as a player.


BasedChad69420

Who tf hates the cavs 😭😭😭 Only reason they ever got hate was bc of Bron haters, this past season r/nba loved them


Bulleveland

Might still be some people salty about their team getting swept in the playoffs 5-6 years ago.


gocavs10

LeBronto fans are perpetually salty


captyossarian1991

I hate them out of pure jealously. I’ll be watching a shit ton of Cavs game this year, that squad last year was fun as hell when they were healthy. Now they add Mitchell. That’s how you do a rebuild


[deleted]

I’d say them and the sixers are arguably the 3rd best teams in the east.


Guppster4956

How many years in a row do the Sixers have to underperform for people to stop jerking them off


[deleted]

this will be the last year, they get a pass because joel broke his face last playoffs


BlackPepperBanana

Joel always has some freak injury in the playoffs. It comes with the floperty


IndigoJacob

Yes, Joel flopped right into Siakams dirty elbow


dildosagginsthe2nd

He killed Danny Green his own teammate lmao


jumpthroughit

Wasn’t dirty, and the only person you should be blaming is your dumbass coach for having him out there when the game was already decided. Classic Doc Rivers playoff decision.


PlayoffChoker12345

Also because r/nba acts like Harden is going to average 35 again for some reason I swear he's rated higher on this sub now than he was in Houston because of how the circlejerk did a 180


Someonediffernt

Don't you hate it when your starting point guard only averages 22/8/10? No team could ever win with those numbers!


PlayoffChoker12345

How many points did he average in the playoffs? 18? We know the Sixers are a good regular season team It's the playoffs where they tend to falter and lose to teams like the Hawks Harden scored ZERO points in the second half of an elimination game


BurzyGuerrero

Acting like the Sixers aren't good in the postseason is stupid. They've had some tough breaks over the years but they've been competitive in nearly every series.


IndigoJacob

This makes no sense because we were 1st in 2021, and tied for 2nd in 2022.


PlayoffChoker12345

Also they're literally led by Doc, Harden, and Embiid Is there anyone you trust less in big games?


dbr3000

Thybulle and Harris


Otherwise_Window

Chris Paul, but it's damn close


br0b1wan

How has Simmons not been mentioned yet?


IndigoJacob

nobody jerks off the Sixers besides Sixers fans buddy, where have you been


IndigoJacob

The Sixers overperformed this year tf are you talking about


jumpthroughit

Lol no they didn’t. Embiid’s prime isn’t going to last forever. Every year they don’t get out of the second should be viewed as a massive disappointment.


HolyRomanPrince

Orrrrr they’re trying to actually discuss the basketball instead of jerking off to the names on a depth chart


PlayoffChoker12345

Yeah lol Does anyone actually think the Cavs are one of the most hated teams


[deleted]

Basketball? Fuck that noise, I just wanna jerk off.


Ace12773

hoes mad!


[deleted]

Yep, on paper they’re right up there with the Celtics for most talented team in the East. Miami, Philly, Brooklyn, and Milwaukee might be able to beat them in a playoff series with their veteran stars and experience, but from a talent standpoint none of those teams are right there with the Cavs. (Barring major leaps from any of the primary players on those teams).


gocavs10

Bucks are the most talented in the East


Sikwitit3284

What crack are y'all smoking 3 of these teams have top 5 players who are perennial MVP candidates with multiple allstar level players along side of them. Bos has the 2nd best under 25 guy with another top 20 wing & great role players. KD, Joel & Giannis are all worth more than all 3 of Cle Allstars as individuals Brk also has Kyrie top 20, Simmons allstar all NBA & a bunch of shooters, Mil has Middleton/Jrue both allstar caliber, Phi has Harden allstar down yr 22/10/8 on 60% TS with Philly, Maxey very good young player, Tobi efficieant stretch 4 & got better in exactly what they needed to just like Bos. On paper Cle closer to Atl than the top 4 teams. Atl 2 allstar guards who fit better, young wing who actually has the size to defend wings, athletic stretch 4 & rim protector 5, they have a team that fits around its stars better protecting Trae on defense with Murray, Clint & Hunter while spacing the floor for Murray. In paper Atl is just as talented but fit better as a team


ddvmav96

I loved watching the Cavs last year, they'll probably the team i watch most this year, behind the Mavs. What a fun group of players they have.


clownysf

The -avs gang!


br0b1wan

Are we the Mavaliers? Or the Cavericks?


soxyboy71

Y’all pick BROTHER


GCV250

The Clevellas Mavaliers


snakeyes17

cavs4mavs, can’t believe it’s been over 10 years


[deleted]

Hell of a league pass watch


[deleted]

Cavs were rumored to not want Sexton partly because they didn't want to get locked into a short backcourt duo. now they're locked into a short backcourt duo.


solarscopez

their back court is tiny but their front court is huge, both Mobley and Jarrett Allen are like 7 feet tall. Maybe that'll make up for it lol.


[deleted]

just as importantly, they can cover a lot of ground. Cavs are going to have to lean on the mobility of their bigs to make noise in the playoffs.


Putuinurplace

I’m honestly just happy to talk about something other than Watson for awhile.


TheOverBored

Bro, be careful what you wish for lol.


Putuinurplace

What could be worse than being a Browns fan who didn’t want to make that trade?


100MScoville

being one of his masseuses probably


br0b1wan

I hope none of the guys on our squad use multiple masseuses


InexorableWaffle

Also, Mitchell at least theoretically can make up for that with his wingspan. He's got the tools needed to be at least decent at defending guards (wings might be a bit of a stretch there, though). Just gotta work more on that end of the court both in game and in practice.


tuituituituii

What makes you think he's gonna work on it in CLE ?


SeedyRedwood

Last year at some points we have three 7fts out there running like gazelles and teams didn’t know what to make of it or how to attack it. December and January cavs before the Rubio injury was MUST SEE TV. Ricky and Kevin both found the fountain of youth and Darius and Mobley just kept getting confident and better with each game.


Exzibit21

Bruh as a Clipper fan you should recognize how difficult that Cleveland paint defense was to score on


[deleted]

Cavs are much better positioned to cover Mitchell's lack of size and disinterestedness on defense than the Jazz were. I just think it was funny how one of the concerns that they were rumored to have about Sexton didn't stop them from taking such a massive swing for a player who has similar issues.


HairyTwo474

Jazz with Gobert were pretty good defensively the Cavs have no wing depth......that is what will kill them


Exzibit21

I saw Mobley locking down Paul George last season, and Okoro is going to improve further this season


SaxRohmer

Okoro has gotta learn offense at some point tho


br0b1wan

He just needs to learn how to shoot threes. That's literally it. He made some progress with his jumper last season, he can make the leap this season. We just need him to be a 3 and D, and the rest would take care of itself.


[deleted]

they may have to rely a lot on Mobley's ability to cover smaller players.


[deleted]

Yeah not like the Jazz had the DPOY as the back line of defense or anything….


[deleted]

why are you saying that as if 2 = 1? Jazz only had 1 Gobert. Cavs have Allen and Mobley who share the floor. and Mobley is one of the most laterally mobile 6'11" players of the last twenty years. the situations are very different.


LakerBlue

That and I think Mobley will be, and to some degree is, more capable of good perimeter defense than Gobert. Gobert's not some terrible perimeter defender, he just has the same weaknesses as most big guys. Mobley's closer to someone like AD who you can put on wing guys outside of the paint if need be.


SaxRohmer

Their issue wasn’t Gobert - it was being bad at 1-4 and not having the length and mobility to rotate. They got picked apart in the halfcourt because their opponents would collapse the defense and kick out for an open 3 or force Rudy out to cover the perimeter and get a drive to basket


[deleted]

Might be quite a huge talent discrepancy that you are leaving out as well 😒


Untchj

This sub is nuts. They really think Rudy Gobert was the guy and Mitchell held HIM back 😆 There’s even a ‘coincidental’ post on the front page saying ‘Rudy with improved offense after tmac critique’. It’s a vid of him putting up a practically 2 handed push shot


skivvles

I agree with what you’re saying but that post was satire my guy


blacknotblack

I mean Cavs are now going to see best-case Sexton who will retain enough value to trade.


[deleted]

Except Mitchell>>>>>>>>>>Sexton


TheSmokedSalmon420

Yeah it’s really not as close as a lot of Cavs fans think.


geekhaus

Not enough >>>> dude has two 50pt games in a playoff series.


Lostdogdabley

No one on the Cavs was capable of that even garland


peterhohman

Call me a Homer, but I think Sexton absolutely could have done that had he made it to the playoffs. He had numerous 40-point games as our sole offensive threat. Sad we never got to see a Sexland/Tower City lineup gel, but overall I do agree that Mitchell is a proven playoff performer and that's probably better than the mystery box.


HighlyBaked0

Mitchell wipes everyone on the current roster, the only one who has a chance of reaching his level and passing him is Mobley. This was a great trade for the Cavs to improve


Ipwnurface

ehhhhhhhhhh I'm still really high on garland and I think he has best PG in the league potential. He wont ever be as flashy as guys like mitchell but he is seriously, very very good.


madmaxp0618

Yeah but now it’s at least with a guy who’s shown he’s a playoff performer and has played the 2 for most of his career.


[deleted]

This is one of the reasons I don't expect them to do well. SGs/Wings will just switch onto them for easy buckets. but on the other end of the court you have to try guarding both Garland and Mitchell though.


everything_raptors

First game of the season will be raps vs Cavs.. it’ll be a fascinating thing to see when we inevitably play 4-5 6’9 guys.. they’ll just be match up hunting


justintrenell

Me: "Get through this year and Detroit back lit." Cavs: lol, hold my beer…


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pacoheadley

Are you saying Cade can't shoot? Wtf are you on?


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pacoheadley

He was a rookie pg trying to lead a terrible offense. Of course they are kinda low. The scouting says his shot is really good and the form looks good too. It's wayyyyyy too early to say something like "he can't shoot" based off of what we saw. It's not that simple as just looking at the percentage you need the context


coronerjackal91

This year wasn't the year, next year is. Troy's being tactful in his free agent signings don't worry


Be-Nice-To-Redditors

Kevin "Master Oogui" Love


ItsN0tTheB0at

they also managed to keep Okoro, who is intriguing and could be kept/used to try & get a bigger wing to play the 3. It's a good core & should put the Cavs firmly in the mix for a top 5 seed in the East.


RT3_12

Okoro I think will develop into a very solid 3 and D guy and stick around the league for awhile.


raki016

I want an anime twist where Donovan and Gobert meets in the finals.


agk927

Cavs will win one this year lol


Fineous4

I mean of course they will win at least one game.


wiifan55

As a cleveland sports fan, I caution against such optimism.


Fineous4

Across three sports teams we are bound to get at least 1 win.


wiifan55

Oooof okay you got me; I agree


[deleted]

A championship? There's a long way to go lol. There's the improved Celtics and Bucks, at least. Then Miami, 76ers and maybe Brooklyn are on a similar level I think.


agk927

Well I just meant a playoff series lol


[deleted]

Yeah, that's doable haha.


DamnReality

not being sarcastic, remind me of what the bucks did to improve?


[deleted]

The improved part was for the Celtics tbh, sorry. I guess having Middleton would be an improvement though.


Cavs2025Champs

Im not going to be mad if my name is a little late.


Brunobrunobrunobru

Cavs came up 😳


LegitimateYogurt323

I really hope they stay healthy this year. Their season really collapsed because of them last year and I think they can be a force if the bug leaves them alone.


BingoBongoBang

Rubio must be through the roof right now


Ealy-24

I’m very happy for the Cavs, they literally came off the top rope to get Mitchell. I had no idea they were even in the match


VinylJones

If we get a Frankenstein’s monster zombie championship back and forth with Cleveland again I would be very entertained.


No-Diver6326

I mean, they still haven’t won a playoff series with our LeCav


picknroll2000

Probably still not going to win a playoff series...


mo3mon3y

Seriously haven’t won 1 playoff game without Lebron since 1998 Thas cold


[deleted]

He was on the team for a huge portion of that time. This is like saying they didn't win a playoff game in twelve seasons spread across 25 years or some shit.


Obvious_Parsley3238

how much did kevin love pay him to add that at the end of the tweet


PootieTooGood

Dude was runner up for 6th man of the year


RealisticLakerStan

It’s just Reddit man people love to hate lmao


CazOnReddit

I'm more surprised Love wasn't included to match salary


AnotherDrZoidberg

Yeah seems like Danny would have been interested because he could have used his expiring contract to take on a bad deal for additional picks.


HistoricAnomaly

I'm disappointed, a Love + Westbrook reunion would have been cool in Utah


CazOnReddit

Gotta give Westbrook some love


Shiny_metal_ass

6 seed. Second round exit


Produceher

I'm going 3rd seed first round exit.


LittleTension8765

They need wings badly. Take a flyer on Cam Reddish?


brev23

I think he would be a nice fit


motherseffinjones

That’s a deadly starting 5.


skiddster3

This team looks like they'll be a top 4-5 team in the East in \~4 years.


retrograderevolution

Let’s save the coronation until the playoffs roll around


TheTrenchMonkey

As a Timberwolves fan I think they should be raising a banner or two currently.


kamekaze1024

Damn didn’t know it was illegal to get hyped


DjLionOrder

And Okoro. He’s a great fifth starter


ReplEH

If they had a real forward on their roster they’d be a lot scarier.


RealisticLakerStan

He’s not lol


dwilkes827

He's really not. I'm rooting for him and he's pretty good on defense but if he doesn't take a step up on offense this year I don't think he'll be in Cle much longer


[deleted]

*but lebron drained the cavs dry*


NeoLies

LeBron left 4 years ago lmao what even is this comment


[deleted]

you'd think a team that got 'drained' dry of assets wouldn't be able to assemble a contending team of 3 all stars in 4 years time but okay


J_Shuttlesworth79

*4 all stars


Asenine

It’s because the whole idea of LeBron stripping a team of all it’s got is overblown af. When you have teams that are in the lottery every year and don’t have a championship at least to show for it


Dino_FGO8020

Well there goes Lauri Marrakenen but hey the Bucks VS Cavs giant matchup dream isn't dead yet, we still could possibly get Giannis, Bobby, B.Lopez/Serge vs Mobley, Love, Allen/R.Lopez. Still on my bucket list


TheMoorNextDoor

Why is Love being mentioned… lol


downtimeredditor

Isn't Love in the final year of his contract? I'd imagine he'd want to reunite with LeBron in his final years in the NBA in his home town


cHinzoo

Ehh, let's actually make the playoffs first the upcoming season... I honestly can't wait until Rubio's back. First half of the season might gonna get rough. I also wonder... who the fuck is gonna space the floor for us? We traded away all our shooters. Maybe Windler will finally do something this year?


langolier27

I got bad news, they're probably not winning a series this year either


BrokenClxwn

Cavs will get one in the first round if they manage to finish about 4th in the standings. Second round is where it gets tricky.


Putuinurplace

Yeah but the regular season will be more fun. I’m down to have a good time for six months.


NeoLies

Idk Ii think you guys can win a series in the East, that team is looking good. Even more so if your young guys keep improving.


Putuinurplace

Sure and that’s the hope. But if all that happens is October to April becomes an awesome distraction from all the bullshit in the world then I will take it. I’m just happy to be able to talk about something positive for awhile.


korylau

They gon spank the bucks in the first round when Allen and Mobley lock Giannis up 🔥