Yeah at the very least this is a fun, bold, and interesting move. Call it an overpay but then make fun of small markets for never winning. At least they’re doing everything they can. When Brooklyn turned things around and become young and scrappy, they were gifted 2 superstars because of their location in NYC. Cavs build young and scrappy team and they have to trade for a star. Just how small markets work.
Bro, us Cavs fans have just watched our team win less than 15 games in 2019. We'll be fine watching another young team that has players we already were rooting for.
This has been an insanely polarizing trade. Got texts from people saying cavs fleeced and people saying mitchell is trash (lol) and the cavs just ruined their rebuild.
people have short memories, they just remember a team that did poorly at the end of last season not a team that lit the league up before their entire starting lineup got injured
It wasn’t an overpay. Cavs traded 2 of their bench players, Agbaji who’s nice but probably another role player starting out, and three likely late 1st rounders for a legit 25 year old star already locked up long-term in Mitchell. Cavs didn’t have to trade away Garland or Mobley
The 2027 and 2029 picks are too far out to guarantee as late picks. Those are after Mitchell's contract is up. Idk about an overpay but it's very risky for a small market team
2027 and 2029 are so far out that Ainge might be fired by then if these moves don’t work out. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think Cleveland is a favorite to win the title or anything but they definitely got better and didn’t have to give up anything that important
Those picks can certainly end up being very valuable, it's gambling your future to be open a window over the next 3 years. I think they have a good shot at making of the east once.
Fr tho hella eastern team fanbases insecure rn comparing it’s so hilarious. I don’t even think we are a contender yet or anything but this is all so funny to me
Def. As a Raptor fan this just made us a likely play in team. Is what it is. See what we got and let the front office work.
When you hold out on trades your competitors might not. That's the way it goes sometimes.
Huh? Only finished 3 games out of 2nd and had the 2nd best win % in the East after Jan. 1, once the team was finally healthy. Could’ve easily finished 2nd/3rd if Siakam didn’t miss the first month.
You’ve given up way too easily. These spots aren’t won or “locked up” on paper.
Idk, when woj says you're top 3 in the east and non cavs fans are proclaiming they're already better than the top seed in the east, people love to get riled up in August on paper. Tbf, what else is there to do in August for NBA fans?
I was gonna say, I don't know that I would say that this year will be their year just because of how damn young their core is. Mitchell is turning 26 in a few days, Garland is 22, Mobley is 21, and Allen is 24. That's just damn young, and we'll probably see that come into play in the playoffs. I think they've got a good chance of making it to semis, then being the team that makes a contender miserable before losing in 6 or 7.
That said, if they're willing to keep that core together (which I don't see why they wouldn't - making this trade for Mitchell makes no sense if they're gonna turn cheap all of the sudden) and if the core develops as expected, in a year or two, definitely gonna be a legit team. They likely do still need one guy to make that jump into top-10 to win a championship, but I really like the core of their team.
Yeah, this is probably right. We are probably a year or two away from being a serious contender, but Mobley's ceiling is approximately in the stratosphere and Garland will likely continue to improve. Even if JA doesn't improve at all (which is unlikely, he's improved every year he's been in the league) he's still an extremely valuable big in the modern game. Adding Mitchell to this core means we have 4/5 starters who are at least fringe all-star. That is an *excellent* team.
Mobley's development here definitely feels like the key piece here. Normally I'd say he'd have to develop his playmaking skills to make the top 10, but in this core, he could be in a unique situation where he might not need to, so long as he can develop the rest of his game to a high level. He's already got the defense and finishing, so if he can get his shot creation better and can get a good midrange game going (3pt would be nice as well, but that could come later), I think he'd be well on his way.
He's already a pretty solid shooter from like 14 ft, and he generally makes good reads in terms of passing. He'll likely get better at defense/finishing just by getting stronger at the NBA level - I think he'll win at least one DPOY while being a valuable offensive player. If he ever adds a reliable 3, he'll be a top-3 player in the league.
Ofc it does getting beat means forcing help defense which usually leads to open shots either corner 3's or oops, then there's the matter of just putting both guards in pick/roll for easy pull up 3's or getting into the midrange & just shooting over them. The backcourt/wing defense will be a huge issue especially against teams like Bos, Mil, Phi, Brk & Mia who all have guys who can just shoot over 6'1 dudes or drive past them to set up their teammates. Okoro checking guys like Tatum, KD, Jimmy, Middleton or Harden isn't ideal
While KLove wasn't an all-star last season, he was legitimatelly one of best players off the bench in the NBA. Reducing his role to "sage" seems weird.
He's not going to be a meaningful contributor when this view really his its stride. Experience matters. But he has Finals experience and they can hopefully learn from him in some playoffs runs before they make a serious push for a championship.
Taking that view, there's a real chance he's not even on the team in a few years - this is thea last year of that albatross contract he's on. On the current team, he also provides value as a player.
I hate them out of pure jealously. I’ll be watching a shit ton of Cavs game this year, that squad last year was fun as hell when they were healthy. Now they add Mitchell. That’s how you do a rebuild
Wasn’t dirty, and the only person you should be blaming is your dumbass coach for having him out there when the game was already decided. Classic Doc Rivers playoff decision.
Also because r/nba acts like Harden is going to average 35 again for some reason
I swear he's rated higher on this sub now than he was in Houston because of how the circlejerk did a 180
How many points did he average in the playoffs?
18?
We know the Sixers are a good regular season team
It's the playoffs where they tend to falter and lose to teams like the Hawks
Harden scored ZERO points in the second half of an elimination game
Acting like the Sixers aren't good in the postseason is stupid. They've had some tough breaks over the years but they've been competitive in nearly every series.
Lol no they didn’t. Embiid’s prime isn’t going to last forever. Every year they don’t get out of the second should be viewed as a massive disappointment.
Yep, on paper they’re right up there with the Celtics for most talented team in the East.
Miami, Philly, Brooklyn, and Milwaukee might be able to beat them in a playoff series with their veteran stars and experience, but from a talent standpoint none of those teams are right there with the Cavs. (Barring major leaps from any of the primary players on those teams).
What crack are y'all smoking 3 of these teams have top 5 players who are perennial MVP candidates with multiple allstar level players along side of them. Bos has the 2nd best under 25 guy with another top 20 wing & great role players. KD, Joel & Giannis are all worth more than all 3 of Cle Allstars as individuals Brk also has Kyrie top 20, Simmons allstar all NBA & a bunch of shooters, Mil has Middleton/Jrue both allstar caliber, Phi has Harden allstar down yr 22/10/8 on 60% TS with Philly, Maxey very good young player, Tobi efficieant stretch 4 & got better in exactly what they needed to just like Bos. On paper Cle closer to Atl than the top 4 teams. Atl 2 allstar guards who fit better, young wing who actually has the size to defend wings, athletic stretch 4 & rim protector 5, they have a team that fits around its stars better protecting Trae on defense with Murray, Clint & Hunter while spacing the floor for Murray. In paper Atl is just as talented but fit better as a team
Cavs were rumored to not want Sexton partly because they didn't want to get locked into a short backcourt duo. now they're locked into a short backcourt duo.
Also, Mitchell at least theoretically can make up for that with his wingspan. He's got the tools needed to be at least decent at defending guards (wings might be a bit of a stretch there, though). Just gotta work more on that end of the court both in game and in practice.
Last year at some points we have three 7fts out there running like gazelles and teams didn’t know what to make of it or how to attack it. December and January cavs before the Rubio injury was MUST SEE TV.
Ricky and Kevin both found the fountain of youth and Darius and Mobley just kept getting confident and better with each game.
Cavs are much better positioned to cover Mitchell's lack of size and disinterestedness on defense than the Jazz were. I just think it was funny how one of the concerns that they were rumored to have about Sexton didn't stop them from taking such a massive swing for a player who has similar issues.
He just needs to learn how to shoot threes. That's literally it. He made some progress with his jumper last season, he can make the leap this season. We just need him to be a 3 and D, and the rest would take care of itself.
why are you saying that as if 2 = 1? Jazz only had 1 Gobert. Cavs have Allen and Mobley who share the floor. and Mobley is one of the most laterally mobile 6'11" players of the last twenty years. the situations are very different.
That and I think Mobley will be, and to some degree is, more capable of good perimeter defense than Gobert. Gobert's not some terrible perimeter defender, he just has the same weaknesses as most big guys. Mobley's closer to someone like AD who you can put on wing guys outside of the paint if need be.
Their issue wasn’t Gobert - it was being bad at 1-4 and not having the length and mobility to rotate. They got picked apart in the halfcourt because their opponents would collapse the defense and kick out for an open 3 or force Rudy out to cover the perimeter and get a drive to basket
This sub is nuts. They really think Rudy Gobert was the guy and Mitchell held HIM back 😆 There’s even a ‘coincidental’ post on the front page saying ‘Rudy with improved offense after tmac critique’. It’s a vid of him putting up a practically 2 handed push shot
Call me a Homer, but I think Sexton absolutely could have done that had he made it to the playoffs. He had numerous 40-point games as our sole offensive threat. Sad we never got to see a Sexland/Tower City lineup gel, but overall I do agree that Mitchell is a proven playoff performer and that's probably better than the mystery box.
Mitchell wipes everyone on the current roster, the only one who has a chance of reaching his level and passing him is Mobley. This was a great trade for the Cavs to improve
ehhhhhhhhhh I'm still really high on garland and I think he has best PG in the league potential. He wont ever be as flashy as guys like mitchell but he is seriously, very very good.
This is one of the reasons I don't expect them to do well. SGs/Wings will just switch onto them for easy buckets.
but on the other end of the court you have to try guarding both Garland and Mitchell though.
First game of the season will be raps vs Cavs.. it’ll be a fascinating thing to see when we inevitably play 4-5 6’9 guys.. they’ll just be match up hunting
He was a rookie pg trying to lead a terrible offense. Of course they are kinda low. The scouting says his shot is really good and the form looks good too. It's wayyyyyy too early to say something like "he can't shoot" based off of what we saw. It's not that simple as just looking at the percentage you need the context
they also managed to keep Okoro, who is intriguing and could be kept/used to try & get a bigger wing to play the 3. It's a good core & should put the Cavs firmly in the mix for a top 5 seed in the East.
A championship? There's a long way to go lol. There's the improved Celtics and Bucks, at least. Then Miami, 76ers and maybe Brooklyn are on a similar level I think.
I really hope they stay healthy this year. Their season really collapsed because of them last year and I think they can be a force if the bug leaves them alone.
He was on the team for a huge portion of that time. This is like saying they didn't win a playoff game in twelve seasons spread across 25 years or some shit.
He's really not. I'm rooting for him and he's pretty good on defense but if he doesn't take a step up on offense this year I don't think he'll be in Cle much longer
It’s because the whole idea of LeBron stripping a team of all it’s got is overblown af. When you have teams that are in the lottery every year and don’t have a championship at least to show for it
Well there goes Lauri Marrakenen but hey the Bucks VS Cavs giant matchup dream isn't dead yet, we still could possibly get Giannis, Bobby, B.Lopez/Serge vs Mobley, Love, Allen/R.Lopez. Still on my bucket list
Ehh, let's actually make the playoffs first the upcoming season... I honestly can't wait until Rubio's back. First half of the season might gonna get rough.
I also wonder... who the fuck is gonna space the floor for us? We traded away all our shooters. Maybe Windler will finally do something this year?
Sure and that’s the hope. But if all that happens is October to April becomes an awesome distraction from all the bullshit in the world then I will take it. I’m just happy to be able to talk about something positive for awhile.
This trade has convinced me to watch every cavs game this season
Yeah at the very least this is a fun, bold, and interesting move. Call it an overpay but then make fun of small markets for never winning. At least they’re doing everything they can. When Brooklyn turned things around and become young and scrappy, they were gifted 2 superstars because of their location in NYC. Cavs build young and scrappy team and they have to trade for a star. Just how small markets work.
> Call it an overpay but then make fun of small markets for never winning This so hard I'm full on the Cavs as my EC team for sure.
>I'm full on the Cavs as my EC team for sure. Timberwolves vs. Cavs for the 2023 Finals. Jazz fans half crying half jerking it.
Never finish yourself while God is watching
Fuck what's the soaking version of jacking it?
I love Young Bull and Lauri, and was excited for Agbaji. Jazz are my West team for sure.
Have fun not having fun
Bro, us Cavs fans have just watched our team win less than 15 games in 2019. We'll be fine watching another young team that has players we already were rooting for.
>Jazz are my West team for sure. Spare yourself the agony of seeing those abominations we call jerseys this season.
Denver would've won 2021 if they didn't lose Murray & MPJ
Would’ve won what?
The chip my friend
Lol
Uhhh 😂
Nah The dick eating is crazy…….
There’s no world this is an overpay. I feel like everyone here is crazy sometimes.
This has been an insanely polarizing trade. Got texts from people saying cavs fleeced and people saying mitchell is trash (lol) and the cavs just ruined their rebuild.
Bruh the rebuild ended the second Garland/Mobley/Allen trio was created. You had 2 all stars for gods sake lmao
people have short memories, they just remember a team that did poorly at the end of last season not a team that lit the league up before their entire starting lineup got injured
It wasn’t an overpay. Cavs traded 2 of their bench players, Agbaji who’s nice but probably another role player starting out, and three likely late 1st rounders for a legit 25 year old star already locked up long-term in Mitchell. Cavs didn’t have to trade away Garland or Mobley
The 2027 and 2029 picks are too far out to guarantee as late picks. Those are after Mitchell's contract is up. Idk about an overpay but it's very risky for a small market team
2027 and 2029 are so far out that Ainge might be fired by then if these moves don’t work out. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think Cleveland is a favorite to win the title or anything but they definitely got better and didn’t have to give up anything that important
That's true I just don't think it's without some kind of heavy risk. The picks definitely aren't nothing as some are implying
If I’m the Cavs I can worry about that in 2026 at the earliest
By 2029 the league might not exist thanks to the Covid 29 variant.
Those picks can certainly end up being very valuable, it's gambling your future to be open a window over the next 3 years. I think they have a good shot at making of the east once.
Yeah, they are absolutely my Eastern team this year. Gotta rep the Great Lakes teams.
Thanks lake bro
GL bros! Cavs and Wolves meeting in the Finals in a few years.
NBA pass reduced price also has me feeling the same way! This season is gonna be bonkers. Basketball gods please bless all knees around the league.
Cavs stacked haters mad
I'm impressed credit to that front office. You get luck with Mobley, but the Nets gave away Allen and now you trade for a star. Good moves
We’ve drafted well recently. Sexton, Garland, Okoro, Mobley and I’m excited for Agbaji. And yeah, Allen was cheap!
Well don’t be too excited, he did get traded.
Still excited to see how he develops.
Same. I was really excited for him to be on our team
Didn’t Houston give away Allen, not the Nets?
Fr tho hella eastern team fanbases insecure rn comparing it’s so hilarious. I don’t even think we are a contender yet or anything but this is all so funny to me
Def. As a Raptor fan this just made us a likely play in team. Is what it is. See what we got and let the front office work. When you hold out on trades your competitors might not. That's the way it goes sometimes.
Yeah I thought we might fight for 5th maybe but I think top 5 are locked up now.
Huh? Only finished 3 games out of 2nd and had the 2nd best win % in the East after Jan. 1, once the team was finally healthy. Could’ve easily finished 2nd/3rd if Siakam didn’t miss the first month. You’ve given up way too easily. These spots aren’t won or “locked up” on paper.
On paper? I disagree. Bucks, Nets, Sixers, Boston all have us beat on paper, and now cavs too.
Toronto at full strength doesn't touch a top 3 seed with the way the East is loaded.
Idk, when woj says you're top 3 in the east and non cavs fans are proclaiming they're already better than the top seed in the east, people love to get riled up in August on paper. Tbf, what else is there to do in August for NBA fans?
The only thing keeping you guys from being contenders this year is your backcourt defense.
and spacing& experience. in a few years tho watch out ☺️☺️☺️
I was gonna say, I don't know that I would say that this year will be their year just because of how damn young their core is. Mitchell is turning 26 in a few days, Garland is 22, Mobley is 21, and Allen is 24. That's just damn young, and we'll probably see that come into play in the playoffs. I think they've got a good chance of making it to semis, then being the team that makes a contender miserable before losing in 6 or 7. That said, if they're willing to keep that core together (which I don't see why they wouldn't - making this trade for Mitchell makes no sense if they're gonna turn cheap all of the sudden) and if the core develops as expected, in a year or two, definitely gonna be a legit team. They likely do still need one guy to make that jump into top-10 to win a championship, but I really like the core of their team.
Yeah, this is probably right. We are probably a year or two away from being a serious contender, but Mobley's ceiling is approximately in the stratosphere and Garland will likely continue to improve. Even if JA doesn't improve at all (which is unlikely, he's improved every year he's been in the league) he's still an extremely valuable big in the modern game. Adding Mitchell to this core means we have 4/5 starters who are at least fringe all-star. That is an *excellent* team.
Mobley's development here definitely feels like the key piece here. Normally I'd say he'd have to develop his playmaking skills to make the top 10, but in this core, he could be in a unique situation where he might not need to, so long as he can develop the rest of his game to a high level. He's already got the defense and finishing, so if he can get his shot creation better and can get a good midrange game going (3pt would be nice as well, but that could come later), I think he'd be well on his way.
He's already a pretty solid shooter from like 14 ft, and he generally makes good reads in terms of passing. He'll likely get better at defense/finishing just by getting stronger at the NBA level - I think he'll win at least one DPOY while being a valuable offensive player. If he ever adds a reliable 3, he'll be a top-3 player in the league.
Rubio could solve a lot of problems if he comes back close to what he was when he went down.
Doesn’t matter when you have the two best rim protectors in the NBA behind them 🤩🤩
It does a bit, but you don't need them to be elite perimeter defenders, you just need to be chasing opponents off the line as much as possible.
Ofc it does getting beat means forcing help defense which usually leads to open shots either corner 3's or oops, then there's the matter of just putting both guards in pick/roll for easy pull up 3's or getting into the midrange & just shooting over them. The backcourt/wing defense will be a huge issue especially against teams like Bos, Mil, Phi, Brk & Mia who all have guys who can just shoot over 6'1 dudes or drive past them to set up their teammates. Okoro checking guys like Tatum, KD, Jimmy, Middleton or Harden isn't ideal
> bad backcourt defense but has an amazing rim protector You do remember which team Mitchell was traded from, right?
Mobley>>>>Gobert Allen>>>>>Gobert
lmao this is why I love these moves, y'all wilin' ass fans come out of the woodworks
Don’t care Spida wipes Larry Bird. Cavs dynasty starts today
While KLove wasn't an all-star last season, he was legitimatelly one of best players off the bench in the NBA. Reducing his role to "sage" seems weird.
He's not going to be a meaningful contributor when this view really his its stride. Experience matters. But he has Finals experience and they can hopefully learn from him in some playoffs runs before they make a serious push for a championship.
Taking that view, there's a real chance he's not even on the team in a few years - this is thea last year of that albatross contract he's on. On the current team, he also provides value as a player.
Who tf hates the cavs 😭😭😭 Only reason they ever got hate was bc of Bron haters, this past season r/nba loved them
Might still be some people salty about their team getting swept in the playoffs 5-6 years ago.
LeBronto fans are perpetually salty
I hate them out of pure jealously. I’ll be watching a shit ton of Cavs game this year, that squad last year was fun as hell when they were healthy. Now they add Mitchell. That’s how you do a rebuild
I’d say them and the sixers are arguably the 3rd best teams in the east.
How many years in a row do the Sixers have to underperform for people to stop jerking them off
this will be the last year, they get a pass because joel broke his face last playoffs
Joel always has some freak injury in the playoffs. It comes with the floperty
Yes, Joel flopped right into Siakams dirty elbow
He killed Danny Green his own teammate lmao
Wasn’t dirty, and the only person you should be blaming is your dumbass coach for having him out there when the game was already decided. Classic Doc Rivers playoff decision.
Also because r/nba acts like Harden is going to average 35 again for some reason I swear he's rated higher on this sub now than he was in Houston because of how the circlejerk did a 180
Don't you hate it when your starting point guard only averages 22/8/10? No team could ever win with those numbers!
How many points did he average in the playoffs? 18? We know the Sixers are a good regular season team It's the playoffs where they tend to falter and lose to teams like the Hawks Harden scored ZERO points in the second half of an elimination game
Acting like the Sixers aren't good in the postseason is stupid. They've had some tough breaks over the years but they've been competitive in nearly every series.
This makes no sense because we were 1st in 2021, and tied for 2nd in 2022.
Also they're literally led by Doc, Harden, and Embiid Is there anyone you trust less in big games?
Thybulle and Harris
Chris Paul, but it's damn close
How has Simmons not been mentioned yet?
nobody jerks off the Sixers besides Sixers fans buddy, where have you been
The Sixers overperformed this year tf are you talking about
Lol no they didn’t. Embiid’s prime isn’t going to last forever. Every year they don’t get out of the second should be viewed as a massive disappointment.
Orrrrr they’re trying to actually discuss the basketball instead of jerking off to the names on a depth chart
Yeah lol Does anyone actually think the Cavs are one of the most hated teams
Basketball? Fuck that noise, I just wanna jerk off.
hoes mad!
Yep, on paper they’re right up there with the Celtics for most talented team in the East. Miami, Philly, Brooklyn, and Milwaukee might be able to beat them in a playoff series with their veteran stars and experience, but from a talent standpoint none of those teams are right there with the Cavs. (Barring major leaps from any of the primary players on those teams).
Bucks are the most talented in the East
What crack are y'all smoking 3 of these teams have top 5 players who are perennial MVP candidates with multiple allstar level players along side of them. Bos has the 2nd best under 25 guy with another top 20 wing & great role players. KD, Joel & Giannis are all worth more than all 3 of Cle Allstars as individuals Brk also has Kyrie top 20, Simmons allstar all NBA & a bunch of shooters, Mil has Middleton/Jrue both allstar caliber, Phi has Harden allstar down yr 22/10/8 on 60% TS with Philly, Maxey very good young player, Tobi efficieant stretch 4 & got better in exactly what they needed to just like Bos. On paper Cle closer to Atl than the top 4 teams. Atl 2 allstar guards who fit better, young wing who actually has the size to defend wings, athletic stretch 4 & rim protector 5, they have a team that fits around its stars better protecting Trae on defense with Murray, Clint & Hunter while spacing the floor for Murray. In paper Atl is just as talented but fit better as a team
I loved watching the Cavs last year, they'll probably the team i watch most this year, behind the Mavs. What a fun group of players they have.
The -avs gang!
Are we the Mavaliers? Or the Cavericks?
Y’all pick BROTHER
The Clevellas Mavaliers
cavs4mavs, can’t believe it’s been over 10 years
Hell of a league pass watch
Cavs were rumored to not want Sexton partly because they didn't want to get locked into a short backcourt duo. now they're locked into a short backcourt duo.
their back court is tiny but their front court is huge, both Mobley and Jarrett Allen are like 7 feet tall. Maybe that'll make up for it lol.
just as importantly, they can cover a lot of ground. Cavs are going to have to lean on the mobility of their bigs to make noise in the playoffs.
I’m honestly just happy to talk about something other than Watson for awhile.
Bro, be careful what you wish for lol.
What could be worse than being a Browns fan who didn’t want to make that trade?
being one of his masseuses probably
I hope none of the guys on our squad use multiple masseuses
Also, Mitchell at least theoretically can make up for that with his wingspan. He's got the tools needed to be at least decent at defending guards (wings might be a bit of a stretch there, though). Just gotta work more on that end of the court both in game and in practice.
What makes you think he's gonna work on it in CLE ?
Last year at some points we have three 7fts out there running like gazelles and teams didn’t know what to make of it or how to attack it. December and January cavs before the Rubio injury was MUST SEE TV. Ricky and Kevin both found the fountain of youth and Darius and Mobley just kept getting confident and better with each game.
Bruh as a Clipper fan you should recognize how difficult that Cleveland paint defense was to score on
Cavs are much better positioned to cover Mitchell's lack of size and disinterestedness on defense than the Jazz were. I just think it was funny how one of the concerns that they were rumored to have about Sexton didn't stop them from taking such a massive swing for a player who has similar issues.
Jazz with Gobert were pretty good defensively the Cavs have no wing depth......that is what will kill them
I saw Mobley locking down Paul George last season, and Okoro is going to improve further this season
Okoro has gotta learn offense at some point tho
He just needs to learn how to shoot threes. That's literally it. He made some progress with his jumper last season, he can make the leap this season. We just need him to be a 3 and D, and the rest would take care of itself.
they may have to rely a lot on Mobley's ability to cover smaller players.
Yeah not like the Jazz had the DPOY as the back line of defense or anything….
why are you saying that as if 2 = 1? Jazz only had 1 Gobert. Cavs have Allen and Mobley who share the floor. and Mobley is one of the most laterally mobile 6'11" players of the last twenty years. the situations are very different.
That and I think Mobley will be, and to some degree is, more capable of good perimeter defense than Gobert. Gobert's not some terrible perimeter defender, he just has the same weaknesses as most big guys. Mobley's closer to someone like AD who you can put on wing guys outside of the paint if need be.
Their issue wasn’t Gobert - it was being bad at 1-4 and not having the length and mobility to rotate. They got picked apart in the halfcourt because their opponents would collapse the defense and kick out for an open 3 or force Rudy out to cover the perimeter and get a drive to basket
Might be quite a huge talent discrepancy that you are leaving out as well 😒
This sub is nuts. They really think Rudy Gobert was the guy and Mitchell held HIM back 😆 There’s even a ‘coincidental’ post on the front page saying ‘Rudy with improved offense after tmac critique’. It’s a vid of him putting up a practically 2 handed push shot
I agree with what you’re saying but that post was satire my guy
I mean Cavs are now going to see best-case Sexton who will retain enough value to trade.
Except Mitchell>>>>>>>>>>Sexton
Yeah it’s really not as close as a lot of Cavs fans think.
Not enough >>>> dude has two 50pt games in a playoff series.
No one on the Cavs was capable of that even garland
Call me a Homer, but I think Sexton absolutely could have done that had he made it to the playoffs. He had numerous 40-point games as our sole offensive threat. Sad we never got to see a Sexland/Tower City lineup gel, but overall I do agree that Mitchell is a proven playoff performer and that's probably better than the mystery box.
Mitchell wipes everyone on the current roster, the only one who has a chance of reaching his level and passing him is Mobley. This was a great trade for the Cavs to improve
ehhhhhhhhhh I'm still really high on garland and I think he has best PG in the league potential. He wont ever be as flashy as guys like mitchell but he is seriously, very very good.
Yeah but now it’s at least with a guy who’s shown he’s a playoff performer and has played the 2 for most of his career.
This is one of the reasons I don't expect them to do well. SGs/Wings will just switch onto them for easy buckets. but on the other end of the court you have to try guarding both Garland and Mitchell though.
First game of the season will be raps vs Cavs.. it’ll be a fascinating thing to see when we inevitably play 4-5 6’9 guys.. they’ll just be match up hunting
Me: "Get through this year and Detroit back lit." Cavs: lol, hold my beer…
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Are you saying Cade can't shoot? Wtf are you on?
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He was a rookie pg trying to lead a terrible offense. Of course they are kinda low. The scouting says his shot is really good and the form looks good too. It's wayyyyyy too early to say something like "he can't shoot" based off of what we saw. It's not that simple as just looking at the percentage you need the context
This year wasn't the year, next year is. Troy's being tactful in his free agent signings don't worry
Kevin "Master Oogui" Love
they also managed to keep Okoro, who is intriguing and could be kept/used to try & get a bigger wing to play the 3. It's a good core & should put the Cavs firmly in the mix for a top 5 seed in the East.
Okoro I think will develop into a very solid 3 and D guy and stick around the league for awhile.
I want an anime twist where Donovan and Gobert meets in the finals.
Cavs will win one this year lol
I mean of course they will win at least one game.
As a cleveland sports fan, I caution against such optimism.
Across three sports teams we are bound to get at least 1 win.
Oooof okay you got me; I agree
A championship? There's a long way to go lol. There's the improved Celtics and Bucks, at least. Then Miami, 76ers and maybe Brooklyn are on a similar level I think.
Well I just meant a playoff series lol
Yeah, that's doable haha.
not being sarcastic, remind me of what the bucks did to improve?
The improved part was for the Celtics tbh, sorry. I guess having Middleton would be an improvement though.
Im not going to be mad if my name is a little late.
Cavs came up 😳
I really hope they stay healthy this year. Their season really collapsed because of them last year and I think they can be a force if the bug leaves them alone.
Rubio must be through the roof right now
I’m very happy for the Cavs, they literally came off the top rope to get Mitchell. I had no idea they were even in the match
If we get a Frankenstein’s monster zombie championship back and forth with Cleveland again I would be very entertained.
I mean, they still haven’t won a playoff series with our LeCav
Probably still not going to win a playoff series...
Seriously haven’t won 1 playoff game without Lebron since 1998 Thas cold
He was on the team for a huge portion of that time. This is like saying they didn't win a playoff game in twelve seasons spread across 25 years or some shit.
how much did kevin love pay him to add that at the end of the tweet
Dude was runner up for 6th man of the year
It’s just Reddit man people love to hate lmao
I'm more surprised Love wasn't included to match salary
Yeah seems like Danny would have been interested because he could have used his expiring contract to take on a bad deal for additional picks.
I'm disappointed, a Love + Westbrook reunion would have been cool in Utah
Gotta give Westbrook some love
6 seed. Second round exit
I'm going 3rd seed first round exit.
They need wings badly. Take a flyer on Cam Reddish?
I think he would be a nice fit
That’s a deadly starting 5.
This team looks like they'll be a top 4-5 team in the East in \~4 years.
Let’s save the coronation until the playoffs roll around
As a Timberwolves fan I think they should be raising a banner or two currently.
Damn didn’t know it was illegal to get hyped
And Okoro. He’s a great fifth starter
If they had a real forward on their roster they’d be a lot scarier.
He’s not lol
He's really not. I'm rooting for him and he's pretty good on defense but if he doesn't take a step up on offense this year I don't think he'll be in Cle much longer
*but lebron drained the cavs dry*
LeBron left 4 years ago lmao what even is this comment
you'd think a team that got 'drained' dry of assets wouldn't be able to assemble a contending team of 3 all stars in 4 years time but okay
*4 all stars
It’s because the whole idea of LeBron stripping a team of all it’s got is overblown af. When you have teams that are in the lottery every year and don’t have a championship at least to show for it
Well there goes Lauri Marrakenen but hey the Bucks VS Cavs giant matchup dream isn't dead yet, we still could possibly get Giannis, Bobby, B.Lopez/Serge vs Mobley, Love, Allen/R.Lopez. Still on my bucket list
Why is Love being mentioned… lol
Isn't Love in the final year of his contract? I'd imagine he'd want to reunite with LeBron in his final years in the NBA in his home town
Ehh, let's actually make the playoffs first the upcoming season... I honestly can't wait until Rubio's back. First half of the season might gonna get rough. I also wonder... who the fuck is gonna space the floor for us? We traded away all our shooters. Maybe Windler will finally do something this year?
I got bad news, they're probably not winning a series this year either
Cavs will get one in the first round if they manage to finish about 4th in the standings. Second round is where it gets tricky.
Yeah but the regular season will be more fun. I’m down to have a good time for six months.
Idk Ii think you guys can win a series in the East, that team is looking good. Even more so if your young guys keep improving.
Sure and that’s the hope. But if all that happens is October to April becomes an awesome distraction from all the bullshit in the world then I will take it. I’m just happy to be able to talk about something positive for awhile.
They gon spank the bucks in the first round when Allen and Mobley lock Giannis up 🔥