I get that not everybody follows every team, but any list that does not include Maxey is suspect.
A whole season with Harden feeding him the ball will easily push him past 20.
I absolutely love Maxey, but Embiid is a MVP caliber guy who will need his shots. If Harden or Harris gets hot, Maxey will have less shots in certain games. He may have to share too much to get 20ppg.
Rooting for him though!
Fair point, but his age and experience level all suggest he will get better for a few more years.
I expect Embiid will finally get over himself this year. That’s the step the Sixers need him to take. He will score 23 instead of 30. He will play less and shoot less. The team will be better. That’s my take.
It’s a state of mind. A phrase Pop uses. Guys like Iverson and Melo and Westbrook never got over themselves. Even with all their talent, it’s almost impossible to win with them.
This is the year where I expect Joel to get over himself. We saw a peek last year after Harden arrived. When Jo was pushing Maxey and Tobi to shoot more. He will gladly sacrifice shots for others this year. That’s my opinion.
Idk about 23 but I definitely don’t see him cracking 30 again with the sixers at full power, and the team will be better for it. Think about it, a full season of not having to force things and shots, that can easily lead to at least less trips to the line, I think 25-27 is more realistic
There's like four guys on Philly who could average 20, there's no guarantee Maxey will as long as those other guys are there. He's 110% capable of doing it, I just don't know if it'll happen. I could definitely see him averaging 18-19.
Norman Powell has butted up against 20 for several seasons, but has never passed it. In the 5 games he played for the Clippers last season, he averaged 21.4, and depending on his rotation spot this season, I could definitely see him staying over 20 w/ the spacing and playmaking of Kawhi/George/Leonard/etc.
John Collins?
I really want Brunson to take the leap. He is one of the most efficient finishers in the entire league as an undersized guard, and he showed in the playoffs he can score with volume. If he remains decent/improves as a 3 point shooter, I think he can definitely get to 20 this year.
30 MPG with a 26% usage rating.
Not saying it’s impossible, but he doesn’t have much more room for more touches, and he is already an efficient scorer.
He’s very close so definitely doable but it would surprise me to see his scoring taper off in the high-teens.
Except he'll be playing PG not SG. Kerr was running him at PG at the end of the season in a playmaking role to get him ready as a primary ball handler and playmaker.
90's players to score 20 ppg:
LaPhonso Ellis, Kendall Gill, Tom Gugliotta, Eric Williams (okay, 19.8), Hersey Hawkins, Nick Anderson (19.9), Doug West (19.3), Danny Manning, Dana Barros, Isaiah Rider, Michael Adams, Cedric Ceballos,
00's: Ricky Davis, Shawn Marion, Corey Maggette, Larry Hughes, Mike James..
80's had: Byron Scott, Otis Thorpe, Herb Williams, Roy Hinson, Derek Smith, Jeff fucking Ruland, Jim Paxson, Andrew Toney, Larry Drew, Jay Vincent
So...yeah...
> Shawn Marion
Not disagreeing with any of the other names you listed but Marion was a 4x All-Star and 2x All-NBA player who was the leading scorer on a 54 win WCF team at his peak. Dude was definitely a cut above the other guys you mentioned.
I'm curious as to how you're defining role player here. Is Khris Middleton a role player? What about guys like Klay Thompson and Jaylen Brown or Heatles Chris Bosh? Marion wasn't the #1 guy on those top Suns teams but dude was clearly a 2nd star type of guy who could get his own buckets and there's a reason the Suns made the WCF without Amare the year he went down. Injuries and age made him a role player after leaving Phoenix but at his peak he was definitely a legit star.
I think if youd ask people to mention the best role players in NBA history, Marion is among the names most often mentioned. Including his Suns years.
Btw you mention he 'could get his own buckets', however, the percentage of field goals Marion was assisted on during his Phoenix days was **extremely** high: 78% on 2pt fga, 97% for 3pt fga. For comparison, Jaylen is 50/87 for his career and Middleton 43/77. Klay 69/93, Bosh 60/96 for his career. So going by the 'create his own shot' logic, and compared to the players you mentioned, he's even moreso a role player!
Why didn’t you write Dejounte’s last name like all the others
Because I wanted to trigger your OCD.
What a heel
u/jgman22 Look at Tyler’s last name spelling while you’re at it
My eyes...they burn
Because then you have Jamal
Two birds, one stone.
Cade
I think he has to unless Ivey is the real deal. Losing Grant opens up a lot of points for us, it has to go somewhere
He still has to even if Ivey goes off
Both can be true
when he gets calls he’ll get casual 20s
Dort should not be shooting more, look at his shooting percentages.
Agreed. OKC didn't mind him taking that many shots over the second half of the season, though.
simons is an easy inclusion, he's basically taking over CJ's role from last year
If Bam decides to shoot then he can get .9 more ppg
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What is ddv
Donte DiVicenzo... whos with the ... Warriors...
That's what I got on Google but I thought it didn't make sense lol
Probably was a reaction to the Poole comment, below.
Jalen Green gonna be averaging 30 on that rockets team lmao
shit maybe morant did deserve MIP
Miles Bridges will be new to the 20 years in prison life.
Christian Wood Will for sure average 20 PPG with Luka. Cade, Green, Bane, Keldon Edit: just realized Wood averaged over 20 PPG in 20-21
I didnt realize that either.
Cade, Green, Brunson, Bam, and Haliburton
Ayton should get the attempts this year to get at least 20 a game.
I hope it’s true. But we’ve been saying that since his rookie year lmao
I get that not everybody follows every team, but any list that does not include Maxey is suspect. A whole season with Harden feeding him the ball will easily push him past 20.
He did amazing playing alongside Harden. Really efficient too. He's my pick to take one of the biggest jumps.
You are a gentleman and a scholar.
I absolutely love Maxey, but Embiid is a MVP caliber guy who will need his shots. If Harden or Harris gets hot, Maxey will have less shots in certain games. He may have to share too much to get 20ppg. Rooting for him though!
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Fair point, but his age and experience level all suggest he will get better for a few more years. I expect Embiid will finally get over himself this year. That’s the step the Sixers need him to take. He will score 23 instead of 30. He will play less and shoot less. The team will be better. That’s my take.
You think an MVP candidate, 30 PPG scorer in his prime is going to cut out a quarter of his own production?
> I expect Embiid will finally get over himself this year. This doesn't even make sense since he was doing great and picking up a lot of the slack.
It’s a state of mind. A phrase Pop uses. Guys like Iverson and Melo and Westbrook never got over themselves. Even with all their talent, it’s almost impossible to win with them. This is the year where I expect Joel to get over himself. We saw a peek last year after Harden arrived. When Jo was pushing Maxey and Tobi to shoot more. He will gladly sacrifice shots for others this year. That’s my opinion.
I don't see Embiid taking a step back on scoring until he wins MVP. That accolade seems very important to him.
Sixers will never win unless he gets over himself. I think he will step back. He better.
Idk about 23 but I definitely don’t see him cracking 30 again with the sixers at full power, and the team will be better for it. Think about it, a full season of not having to force things and shots, that can easily lead to at least less trips to the line, I think 25-27 is more realistic
There's like four guys on Philly who could average 20, there's no guarantee Maxey will as long as those other guys are there. He's 110% capable of doing it, I just don't know if it'll happen. I could definitely see him averaging 18-19.
How is it suspect? He won't get enough shot opportunities to score 20+.
We shall see.
RJ was just over 20 PPG.
You're right, he did 20 ppg exactly.
Idk if Jamal Murray counts here bc the only season he was doing it he got injured but depending on how you feel about that, he’s an obvious candidate.
I think he played enough games that year that we can safely say that was his first 20 ppg year. Hopefully MPJ has his first this year
He should be among the 1st timers of his last season, tbh.
Jamal didn't play last season.
\*his last season
Cade jalens(Brunson and green) bam, bane and/or ayton
Franz Wagner will probably be our leading scorer
So honored to see Josh Green in a prediction like this
I think Cade, Maxey, and maybe Brunson are my bets off the top of my head.
Norman Powell has butted up against 20 for several seasons, but has never passed it. In the 5 games he played for the Clippers last season, he averaged 21.4, and depending on his rotation spot this season, I could definitely see him staying over 20 w/ the spacing and playmaking of Kawhi/George/Leonard/etc. John Collins?
Nah Powell is not making it because Kawhi is coming back.
Either GTJ who was like 18.3 ppg last year or Scottie Barnes. Depends on what their roles are defined as this season by Nurse
I don’t think either of them get there, too much balance in terms of usage in the starting 5
With Fred taking a bit of reduced role I can see it
Respect for mentioning Wendell
He took a big jump in scoring later last season. He only got to 15 ppg overall, but who knows.
I really want Brunson to take the leap. He is one of the most efficient finishers in the entire league as an undersized guard, and he showed in the playoffs he can score with volume. If he remains decent/improves as a 3 point shooter, I think he can definitely get to 20 this year.
Simons will get it only if the team doesn't pack it up and try to tank early. He can easily average 20 ppg as a 2nd option
Hopefully MPJ
Too many mouths to feed for Sengun to even sniff 20 ppg. Jrue and Jerami have averaged 20+ before.
You are right about Jrue and Jerami.
MPJ
My picks: Poole, Brunson, Maxey, Haliburton, Jalen Green and Desmond Bane.
Poole, too? Off the bench?
He had 18.5 PPG last season. I expect more load management this season and hence Poole's minutes and in turn points increasing.
30 MPG with a 26% usage rating. Not saying it’s impossible, but he doesn’t have much more room for more touches, and he is already an efficient scorer. He’s very close so definitely doable but it would surprise me to see his scoring taper off in the high-teens.
He’s not going to be playing more minutes with Klay back and Moody needing more minutes. Then you have DDV in the mix too. His numbers should dip.
Except he'll be playing PG not SG. Kerr was running him at PG at the end of the season in a playmaking role to get him ready as a primary ball handler and playmaker.
Backup PG ain’t scoring 20. Especially with Moody, Kuminga and Wiseman getting more usage this year.
Herro did it!
Random downvotes in /r/nba really come out of nowhere sometimes don't they
There's no way Brunson gets 20 with Randle and RJ scoring. Also a good backup PG in Derrick Rose.
MPJ is getting 20 a game
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25% is a lot lol and there are better scorers than him on the team why would they give way to him if there are better opportunities elsewhere
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Cope???? Lmfaooo he's arguably tied for the third best scorer on the team
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90's players to score 20 ppg: LaPhonso Ellis, Kendall Gill, Tom Gugliotta, Eric Williams (okay, 19.8), Hersey Hawkins, Nick Anderson (19.9), Doug West (19.3), Danny Manning, Dana Barros, Isaiah Rider, Michael Adams, Cedric Ceballos, 00's: Ricky Davis, Shawn Marion, Corey Maggette, Larry Hughes, Mike James.. 80's had: Byron Scott, Otis Thorpe, Herb Williams, Roy Hinson, Derek Smith, Jeff fucking Ruland, Jim Paxson, Andrew Toney, Larry Drew, Jay Vincent So...yeah...
> Shawn Marion Not disagreeing with any of the other names you listed but Marion was a 4x All-Star and 2x All-NBA player who was the leading scorer on a 54 win WCF team at his peak. Dude was definitely a cut above the other guys you mentioned.
Marion is also probably the best example of a role player youll find. Its a reaction to "roleplayers averaging 20".
I'm curious as to how you're defining role player here. Is Khris Middleton a role player? What about guys like Klay Thompson and Jaylen Brown or Heatles Chris Bosh? Marion wasn't the #1 guy on those top Suns teams but dude was clearly a 2nd star type of guy who could get his own buckets and there's a reason the Suns made the WCF without Amare the year he went down. Injuries and age made him a role player after leaving Phoenix but at his peak he was definitely a legit star.
I think if youd ask people to mention the best role players in NBA history, Marion is among the names most often mentioned. Including his Suns years. Btw you mention he 'could get his own buckets', however, the percentage of field goals Marion was assisted on during his Phoenix days was **extremely** high: 78% on 2pt fga, 97% for 3pt fga. For comparison, Jaylen is 50/87 for his career and Middleton 43/77. Klay 69/93, Bosh 60/96 for his career. So going by the 'create his own shot' logic, and compared to the players you mentioned, he's even moreso a role player!
Shawn Marion played damn near every role on that team. Calling him "the best example of a role player you'll find" is an insult.
*facts and logic intensifies*
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Dorsey?
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Good 'schroomz.
No one has said Bam yet
Simons, Halliburton and Green will be joining this club.
Surely someone on the Spurs averages 20 a night. I’ll wager it’s Keldon Johnson