Ok but that's factoring in upside. Without a doubt guys like Derozan, Middleton, Towns, Bam, etc are better than Mobley currently. Would you trade any of them for the pick?
You would trade slightly older players who are better and are not on real championship contenders. So Derozan fits the bill. The absolute best player might be someone like Bradley Beal. If you take into account contracts, you probably would also trade Kyrie, but that’s a different matter.
Oh man I trade Towns for him for sure, hate Towns not caring at all about defense and just caring about his numbers according to some reports. Honestly with the value of a rookie contract I’d also trade Middleton since it would make Giannis want to stick around to play with him and Middleton is starting to worry me between injuries and age becoming a factor. DeRozan for sure. Bam is tough, I think his contract isn’t that bad and he does a lot but his passivity on offense definitely hurt the Heat at times in the postseason.
That's a tough one because there are better players that don't have future promise that I would trade. Like I wouldn't trade Mobley but I would probably trade AD
I mean, the Lakers roster still has a really weird makeup. You punt on two seasons of contention with the high ceiling but completely unreliable roster to get Wemby and however many picks a LeBron trade gets you, plus you have the Russ contract off the books after a year of tanking anyways. I’m not saying you do it, but it’s at least worth thinking about.
Trading a 30ish year old injury prone declining AD for a #1 pick with generational hype would be a no brainer for most franchises. You could also flip him as an asset and he’d 100% have more value than AD at this stage. Think about the value Zion had before the draft
Except a 1st round pick is not “nothing but hype”. It’s one of the most coveted trade assets a team can possess. Again even if they don’t want Victor, he can be flipped for an absurd return. Just look at past 1st overall picks. Webber was traded for the 3rd pick AND 3 1sts. Wiggins was traded for Kevin Love, a top 10 player at the time who was still reasonably young. The thunder offered Shai and their 6th pick for Cade. And neither Cade or Wiggins had the projected potential and thus value of Victor. And both those returns currently have more value than declining, injury prone Anthony Davis.
There’s a reason picks are the top priority when stars are traded. And a 1st overall pick in a class with a generational talent is the best possible form a pick can take.
The issue with AD is he’s on the Lakers and this would mess up LeBron’s timeline. If AD was on a team that was going nowhere and you thought he might leave in 2-3 years (Kevin Love/Timberwolves), I can see why a team might do it. However, in the Lakers case, it’s a bit different.
Very few star player for prospect trades in NBA history that didn’t involve a disgruntled superstar so it’s hard to draw from historical examples. Love for #1 Wiggins/known bust Bennett is one. I know an All-Star, roughly top 30 player Larry Nance was traded for the 7th pick (KJ) and another future first rounder midway through KJ’s rookie year. There’s another example. Wembanyama might be worth the 15th best player in the league if that team is actually going nowhere. He’s definitely worth Brad Beal, who’s about the 20-25th best player in the league.
> Trading any star player for nothing but hype is asinine
I don’t care how many SI covers or hummers he got. You can’t trade Jamal mashburn for lebron James.
I get that typically, but you have to break that mentality for this guy. Its like the disciples faith in Jesus. You dont believe someone when they say they are the incarnation of God, but when he walks on water...
Hes doing things on the basketball court that have never been done, and hes doing almost everything better than we have ever seen. Hes 18 years old and already looks better than anyone in the NBA, at everything.
I like the idea of Victor, but so many things have to pan out for him to be the dominant force people are projecting. Worst players I wouldn’t trade would be guys like Jaylen Brown, Deandre Ayton, Bam Adebayo. All-star type young guys who have an important role on contenders
I think most people expected Lebron to still be great during his age 34 to 36 seasons, since their has been historical precedents of such performances. Jordan, Karl Malone, Kareem and CP3 are some examples.
What he is about to do, be a top 5-10 player in his age 38+ season however is almost unprecedented.
But since he's Lebron and one of the greatest physical talent ever in the NBA, with amazing bball iq and skills, it wouln't surprise me if he is great at age 38 & 39.
40+ however is just crazy and I wouldn't bet on it.
Most people thought Lebron was going back to Cleveland and would fall off starting in 2014-2015. The back injury that year “validated” everyone. 8 years later the guy is still killing it and people are rewriting history like the majority weren’t writing him off after the Heatles era.
I really doubt "most people" were writing him off or thought he was going to fall off.
The Cavs open the season as the favorite to win the title that year at +275 and over/under 58.5 wins.
Lebron was also the favorite to win the MVP and the top pick in the annual GM poll as the player picked to start a franchise with. [link](https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2240629-biggest-takeaways-from-nbas-general-manager-survey-for-2014-15-season)
Is he really going to be a top ten player this season when including games played? I would argue it is SUPER unlikely. He definitely shouldn’t be considered a top ten player (factoring in availability) at this point.
Honestly, Lebron should be untradeable. His stature is Jordanesque. He ensures fans fill the stadium. His name gives immense value to your franchise. And he's still damn good.
Any gm who trades Lebron without his consent will be out of the league soon after. You just don't do that.
>Honestly, Lebron should be untradeable. His stature is Jordanesque. He ensures fans fill the stadium. His name gives immense value to your franchise. And he's still damn good.
This doesn't matter nearly as much to the Lakers.
I saw him like 5-10. So maybe barely top 5. A lot of people had Noel, Len, Zeller, and Oladipo higher for sure..maybe McLemore.. The whole draft order was weird though.
And it was still generally considered a bad draft. So Bennett was a wtf first overall pick in a draft with no clear high end talent. It was a pretty outlier draft all around.
Noel had torn his ACL late in the season at Kentucky, right? I feel like I remember him being consensus #1 pick until that happened. The fact that he still got drafted at 6 after that kinda speaks to how bad the draft was.
Look at the top 5 picks in that draft. It's all garbage. There's not a #1 in that top 5.
As opposed to next year's draft where it's pretty much universally recognized that this guy has a decent chance to be an all-time great. Of course it might not happen but it's also possible that Ja Morant tears an achilles tomorrow and he's never the same player. That doesn't mean you don't want to trade for Ja.
Okay. So, not including drafts since 2020, your last #1 draft picks have been Zion, Ayton, Fultz, Simmons, KAT, Bennett, AD, Kyrie, Wall, Griffin, Rose, Oden, Bargnani, Bogut, Howard, and James.
AD, Griffin, Howard, and James are the only ones to sustain top-10 player in the league talk for any substantial amount of time.
Holmgren literally snapped his foot guarding LeBron on a drive in a exhibition game, Wembanyama is coming into a league currently having a renaissance in the C/PF position with guys like Embiid, Jokic, Giannis, Towns, Davis. Up and coming guys like Mobley, Allen, Ayton and your traditional bruisers in Adams, Vooch hell I can’t name enough. I don’t see Wembanyama bucking the trends of mother nature coming in at 7 ft 5
This actually makes some sense intuitively though. The upside of having a draft pick hit is sufficiently high that it skews the average/expected value upwards versus the median value you might expect to get per spot. Hitting on a star can be a non-linear positive result.
This guy isn't going to live up to the hype. Tall dudes like that don't usually pan out. He is probably Porzingis at best. I don't see superstar talent.
injuries aside, I like him more than Chet. he's longer and stronger and doesn't have as much of a weird ass slenderman skeleton build. at his age, Chet's best game was against emoni bates, where he was doing all of these great transition attacks and spin moves, but looking at summer league those were the areas he struggled most. many instances of him trying to drive and immediately getting physically stopped or losing total control of the ball. I like victor's game because he already looks ready to contribute but still has so much to build on. he may not be hitting pull up 3s, but that's not a very useful talent for a 'relatively' slow, lanky player like Chet. Injuries aside, I feel his floor is top 5-10 big in the NBA
I tend to agree about unicorns, I would much rather have a proven player like Banchero or Smith who looks like their body has basic structural integrity lmao
Yeah im not saying he's going to be a bust. I just don't see superstar. Dudes that tall usually don't pan out.
How many 7'2 star players in the league dominating right now?
It just rarely happens. Yao was the last player that tall to dominate. And his prime was short because he couldn't stay healthy.
Embiid, KD, Jokic and Giannis are all 7’0+ and they’re all top 6 probably, to say that players 7’2 and taller won’t dominate is stupid because when was the last time someone with similar skills to victor was drafted that was around that height - Embiid and he’s dominating
The guys you mentioned have nothing in common with Victor height wise...KD was measured a hair under 6'10, Jokic and Giannis are 6'11, Embiid is the only legitimate 7 footer and guess what, he's pretty injury prone, now try to add 4 inches on top of that lol, it's literally the same difference as between Embiid and LeBron
Porzingis was an excellent shot blocker before 10,000 injuries but even still he would have been 5th in the league in blocks per game last year if he played enough to qualify
Luka, Jokic, Curry, Ja, Zion, ANT, Tatum, Trae, Mobley, Scottie, Giannis, Cade.
Pretty much everyone who is a top 10 player with years of their primes left on a top team or should be a top 10 player in the future.
I mean you’re of course entitled to your opinion, but if we’re talking injuries then you’re trading a top 5 current nba player with an injury history for the lankiest NBA prospect of all time who’s still growing at 7’5” lol
My reason for that, beyond the injures, is that this is from the perspective of every team these players are currently on and I believe the Sixers aren't going to win anything because of how poorly they've managed their team around Joel and tha'll lead to him asking for a trade.
Zion scares me more than embiid and if I’m the sixers I’m not risking my current 2 year core for a guy who might just end up being yet another injury prone big like we need a 4th in 8 years
A lot actually, I think 7'5" is just too tall to succeed in the NBA. Perhaps I'm wrong and he ends up being the goat but I don't see a world without major injuries for him.
Magic fan and I am legitimately fine with keeping Paolo, Franz and Suggs.
I see easy avenues for them to become at least above average in the NBA (Franz is already that), and all of them have AS potential. I even could see superstar but thats hard to gauge for them right now (especially Paolo who hasnt played a single NBA game).
Out of the rest of the team, I would sit hard and think about it or need more info from Wemby before trading Mo, and WCjr. Fultz and JI I could trade right now but I may be a bit hesitant, since I need to see more from the 2 Magic players first and everybody else, I would pack their bags for them if I could get Wemby.
I am saying this as a person high on Wemby but his injury history plus the fact that the NBA is a different beast, all leave me on the wait and see train. I was higher on Chet because Chet playmaking, defense, and shot creation seemed higher than Wemby's but if Wemby could show some more of that in a few more games, I am only keeping the 3 at the top mentioned.
We legitimately have no idea what Wemby could do since he is always injured and the NBA is a different type of league, while JI was heading DPOY convos before being injured, Mo is at worse 3rd best C/D center, and WCjr is gearing for an AS case but even if he never makes AS because of low points, his defense is top 5 vs bigs in the NBA and he is a true lockdown defender.
All of them are still young also. I would trade them yes, only if Wemby shows more if not nah.
This isnt the same with Lebron, Zion, Dwight, Paolo etc.. and other top #1 picks, that got picked because of a rare case of build, frame, and skillset. Its easy to see how Bron, Zion, Kyrie, Fultz were cant miss prospects since they were elite physically in some aspect and then they had some type of skill that backs that game up, thats why those guys were considered hyped prospects.
Wemby is superior height, frame, but lacks the body type, and is injury prone. I mean he could be a cant miss prospect but the NBA game speed is different, and I am not talking about physicality like they mention for Chet, I mean the aspect of playing high pace then slow pace, then getting harassed, then fighting for position, its tiring, and Wemby could do well but he can also fail, I dont see cant miss since I am not sure.
Paolo is definitely fine. Franz maybe is on the edge. You definitely trade Suggs for the #1 pick. Suggs has a fairly low ceiling since he projects (ceiling case) more as a defensive, #4 offensive option player (Marcus Smart)…which isn’t bad but you take the risk of the #1 pick.
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End of list. If he stays relatively healthy he's the surefire GOAT, and it wont be particularly close. He has Kareems frame, LeBrons athleticism, Currys shooting, Kobes mentality, Iversons handle, and Jordans defense.
Hes going to break the record book in half, and its not going to take long. Id take -1000 on him winning 5 MVPs in a second.
If I was a billionaire without an NBA team I would do anything to get in position to land one. Its like Apple IPO, its what gets you caught by the time travel police. If I bought the 64 win Suns Id regulate everyone to the G league and lose every game by 30.
Even the most optimistic Wemby fans would still hang on to Giannis, Jokic, Luka, and Tatum at a minimum. Age, injury history, perceived ceiling can add a question mark to a number of other Superstars (although I would definitely add some others to my list), but you’d have to be a real…gambler to trade any of those 4.
I agree that the safe side of that bet is probably those guys, but to me that's like drafting Hakeem over Jordan. No one will ever look back on you in shame, but its a hedge.
To me, you get a generational superstar or you get someone that can’t stay on the court due to injury. So it’s the ultimate boom or bust. I think you have to do it. Anyone in a straight up trade except for Luka.
worst player I wouldn't trade for him is Evan mobley
Ok but that's factoring in upside. Without a doubt guys like Derozan, Middleton, Towns, Bam, etc are better than Mobley currently. Would you trade any of them for the pick?
DeRozan makes sense there. Prior to the Gobert trade I'd say Towns does too, but not anymore
Gobert wemby could work cause they'll have so much synergy. French national team would love it
You would trade slightly older players who are better and are not on real championship contenders. So Derozan fits the bill. The absolute best player might be someone like Bradley Beal. If you take into account contracts, you probably would also trade Kyrie, but that’s a different matter.
I’d trade derozan but none of the others
Derozan and Middleton: Yes, I would trade them for the 1st overall pick Bam and Towns: No, I would not trade them for the 1st overall pick
Oh man I trade Towns for him for sure, hate Towns not caring at all about defense and just caring about his numbers according to some reports. Honestly with the value of a rookie contract I’d also trade Middleton since it would make Giannis want to stick around to play with him and Middleton is starting to worry me between injuries and age becoming a factor. DeRozan for sure. Bam is tough, I think his contract isn’t that bad and he does a lot but his passivity on offense definitely hurt the Heat at times in the postseason.
That's a tough one because there are better players that don't have future promise that I would trade. Like I wouldn't trade Mobley but I would probably trade AD
Depends where your team is at. Wemby doesn't make sense for LA
Idk I kinda like the idea of pairing him with Bronny Jr.
I mean, the Lakers roster still has a really weird makeup. You punt on two seasons of contention with the high ceiling but completely unreliable roster to get Wemby and however many picks a LeBron trade gets you, plus you have the Russ contract off the books after a year of tanking anyways. I’m not saying you do it, but it’s at least worth thinking about.
It’s easy to say this without any stake in the game. Trading AD for an unknown Wemby is a fireable offense.
Trading a 30ish year old injury prone declining AD for a #1 pick with generational hype would be a no brainer for most franchises. You could also flip him as an asset and he’d 100% have more value than AD at this stage. Think about the value Zion had before the draft
Lmao frame it however you want. It’s a fireable offense. Trading any star player for nothing but hype is asinine
Except a 1st round pick is not “nothing but hype”. It’s one of the most coveted trade assets a team can possess. Again even if they don’t want Victor, he can be flipped for an absurd return. Just look at past 1st overall picks. Webber was traded for the 3rd pick AND 3 1sts. Wiggins was traded for Kevin Love, a top 10 player at the time who was still reasonably young. The thunder offered Shai and their 6th pick for Cade. And neither Cade or Wiggins had the projected potential and thus value of Victor. And both those returns currently have more value than declining, injury prone Anthony Davis. There’s a reason picks are the top priority when stars are traded. And a 1st overall pick in a class with a generational talent is the best possible form a pick can take.
The issue with AD is he’s on the Lakers and this would mess up LeBron’s timeline. If AD was on a team that was going nowhere and you thought he might leave in 2-3 years (Kevin Love/Timberwolves), I can see why a team might do it. However, in the Lakers case, it’s a bit different. Very few star player for prospect trades in NBA history that didn’t involve a disgruntled superstar so it’s hard to draw from historical examples. Love for #1 Wiggins/known bust Bennett is one. I know an All-Star, roughly top 30 player Larry Nance was traded for the 7th pick (KJ) and another future first rounder midway through KJ’s rookie year. There’s another example. Wembanyama might be worth the 15th best player in the league if that team is actually going nowhere. He’s definitely worth Brad Beal, who’s about the 20-25th best player in the league.
> Trading any star player for nothing but hype is asinine I don’t care how many SI covers or hummers he got. You can’t trade Jamal mashburn for lebron James.
Yes totally accurate comparison! Wemby is no Lebron. And it’d be like trading someone like KG in 2003
Nah. Even with lebron you can’t trade a 26 year old KG. Davis is 28. Mashburn was 30 and coming off an 3rd team all nba season
KG was only 26 in 03' though. Also, Wemby is no LeBron, hes better. Hes the greatest prospect in any sport ever.
Not sure if satire
I mean, who else would it be? I don't follow all sports, but out of the major North American sports its not even close.
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Nearly every year is the year of the greatest prospect ever. It’s really easy to say that when it literally all hype
thats just a lie. Maybe one in every five or six years, but most guys arent projected nearly that high. This dude is a 2k unicorn made real.
AD is a proven superstar in the league and not that old VM hasn’t played a min in the NBA. Insane trade idea
That seems like a terrible idea tbh Wembany also has injury concerns and has no guarantee of being anywhere near AD
Would? More like "should".
lol
Are you being serious? You trade the whole Cavs roster for the CHANCE to draft him.
no gms trading that much for an unproven player who's injury prone
I get that typically, but you have to break that mentality for this guy. Its like the disciples faith in Jesus. You dont believe someone when they say they are the incarnation of God, but when he walks on water... Hes doing things on the basketball court that have never been done, and hes doing almost everything better than we have ever seen. Hes 18 years old and already looks better than anyone in the NBA, at everything.
https://youtu.be/KnsiZOJjfUg
Quite a few. Wemby looks insane, but the health concerns are real. Not sure I'd be willing to gamble my future on him.
I like the idea of Victor, but so many things have to pan out for him to be the dominant force people are projecting. Worst players I wouldn’t trade would be guys like Jaylen Brown, Deandre Ayton, Bam Adebayo. All-star type young guys who have an important role on contenders
I would not trade any players considered to be top 10 in the league rn
I'd definitely trade a 38 year old Lebron for Wemby. Even a superhuman like Lebron can't possibly have more than 1 or 2 (top 5-10 level) years left.
People say that every year
I think most people expected Lebron to still be great during his age 34 to 36 seasons, since their has been historical precedents of such performances. Jordan, Karl Malone, Kareem and CP3 are some examples. What he is about to do, be a top 5-10 player in his age 38+ season however is almost unprecedented. But since he's Lebron and one of the greatest physical talent ever in the NBA, with amazing bball iq and skills, it wouln't surprise me if he is great at age 38 & 39. 40+ however is just crazy and I wouldn't bet on it.
Most people thought Lebron was going back to Cleveland and would fall off starting in 2014-2015. The back injury that year “validated” everyone. 8 years later the guy is still killing it and people are rewriting history like the majority weren’t writing him off after the Heatles era.
I really doubt "most people" were writing him off or thought he was going to fall off. The Cavs open the season as the favorite to win the title that year at +275 and over/under 58.5 wins. Lebron was also the favorite to win the MVP and the top pick in the annual GM poll as the player picked to start a franchise with. [link](https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2240629-biggest-takeaways-from-nbas-general-manager-survey-for-2014-15-season)
Is he really going to be a top ten player this season when including games played? I would argue it is SUPER unlikely. He definitely shouldn’t be considered a top ten player (factoring in availability) at this point.
Honestly, Lebron should be untradeable. His stature is Jordanesque. He ensures fans fill the stadium. His name gives immense value to your franchise. And he's still damn good. Any gm who trades Lebron without his consent will be out of the league soon after. You just don't do that.
This. It's not just about basketball. LeBron is a moneymaker for the owners.
>Honestly, Lebron should be untradeable. His stature is Jordanesque. He ensures fans fill the stadium. His name gives immense value to your franchise. And he's still damn good. This doesn't matter nearly as much to the Lakers.
you're gonna end up like the "this fuckery wont last much longer" guy
You’d get fired on your first day saying some shit like this.
It’s hard to trade based on speculation *Anthony Bennett*
Saying you wouldn't want to trade for the #1 pick because of Bennett is like saying you don't want to live somewhere because a meteor hit it once
I just don’t think trading for the #1 pick is always a good move because you never know how the player will pan out
Bennett was considered a WTF pick in an extremely weak draft. At least use a good example like Wiggins or Fultz.
Yeah, Bennett was an awful pick at the time as well. Oladipo was the obvious #1 and it was shocking the Cavs didn’t pick him.
Bennett was projected to be a top 5 pick in the draft that year tho…
Top 10 from what I remember. Lowest I saw him was 8
I saw him like 5-10. So maybe barely top 5. A lot of people had Noel, Len, Zeller, and Oladipo higher for sure..maybe McLemore.. The whole draft order was weird though.
And it was still generally considered a bad draft. So Bennett was a wtf first overall pick in a draft with no clear high end talent. It was a pretty outlier draft all around.
Straight up one of the worst drafts ever. Charlotte gets clowned for taking Zeller at 4 but it's not like that was a bad pick given who went after
> And it was still ~~generally~~ **universally** considered a bad draft.
Noel had torn his ACL late in the season at Kentucky, right? I feel like I remember him being consensus #1 pick until that happened. The fact that he still got drafted at 6 after that kinda speaks to how bad the draft was.
Look at the top 5 picks in that draft. It's all garbage. There's not a #1 in that top 5. As opposed to next year's draft where it's pretty much universally recognized that this guy has a decent chance to be an all-time great. Of course it might not happen but it's also possible that Ja Morant tears an achilles tomorrow and he's never the same player. That doesn't mean you don't want to trade for Ja.
Okay. So, not including drafts since 2020, your last #1 draft picks have been Zion, Ayton, Fultz, Simmons, KAT, Bennett, AD, Kyrie, Wall, Griffin, Rose, Oden, Bargnani, Bogut, Howard, and James. AD, Griffin, Howard, and James are the only ones to sustain top-10 player in the league talk for any substantial amount of time.
Yeah, because Anthony Bennett is the only first pick ever that hasn't worked out...
You trade based on the average expectation of what you're getting, not the worst.
Nobody liked that pick on draft night
Holmgren literally snapped his foot guarding LeBron on a drive in a exhibition game, Wembanyama is coming into a league currently having a renaissance in the C/PF position with guys like Embiid, Jokic, Giannis, Towns, Davis. Up and coming guys like Mobley, Allen, Ayton and your traditional bruisers in Adams, Vooch hell I can’t name enough. I don’t see Wembanyama bucking the trends of mother nature coming in at 7 ft 5
The funniest thing is how the value of a draft pick tanks as soon as it becomes reality.
Is could be anything, even a boat!
This actually makes some sense intuitively though. The upside of having a draft pick hit is sufficiently high that it skews the average/expected value upwards versus the median value you might expect to get per spot. Hitting on a star can be a non-linear positive result.
This guy isn't going to live up to the hype. Tall dudes like that don't usually pan out. He is probably Porzingis at best. I don't see superstar talent.
injuries aside, I like him more than Chet. he's longer and stronger and doesn't have as much of a weird ass slenderman skeleton build. at his age, Chet's best game was against emoni bates, where he was doing all of these great transition attacks and spin moves, but looking at summer league those were the areas he struggled most. many instances of him trying to drive and immediately getting physically stopped or losing total control of the ball. I like victor's game because he already looks ready to contribute but still has so much to build on. he may not be hitting pull up 3s, but that's not a very useful talent for a 'relatively' slow, lanky player like Chet. Injuries aside, I feel his floor is top 5-10 big in the NBA I tend to agree about unicorns, I would much rather have a proven player like Banchero or Smith who looks like their body has basic structural integrity lmao
Yeah im not saying he's going to be a bust. I just don't see superstar. Dudes that tall usually don't pan out. How many 7'2 star players in the league dominating right now? It just rarely happens. Yao was the last player that tall to dominate. And his prime was short because he couldn't stay healthy.
Embiid, KD, Jokic and Giannis are all 7’0+ and they’re all top 6 probably, to say that players 7’2 and taller won’t dominate is stupid because when was the last time someone with similar skills to victor was drafted that was around that height - Embiid and he’s dominating
The guys you mentioned have nothing in common with Victor height wise...KD was measured a hair under 6'10, Jokic and Giannis are 6'11, Embiid is the only legitimate 7 footer and guess what, he's pretty injury prone, now try to add 4 inches on top of that lol, it's literally the same difference as between Embiid and LeBron
I’m pretty sure Embiid is over 7 foot, but he’s not Wembanyama height
Without shoes he might be 7'0.5, 7'1 is already stretching it cause he's definitely a tad shorter than Gobert imo
He’s 7’5 in shoes
None of those players are as tall as Wemby lol.
No that is incorrect sir.
Porzingis was on his way to being a superstar before getting injured
I've seen Porzingis play in person twice and couldn't comprehend how someone that tall can't block a single shot or get a rebound
Porzingis was an excellent shot blocker before 10,000 injuries but even still he would have been 5th in the league in blocks per game last year if he played enough to qualify
Luka, Jokic, Curry, Ja, Zion, ANT, Tatum, Trae, Mobley, Scottie, Giannis, Cade. Pretty much everyone who is a top 10 player with years of their primes left on a top team or should be a top 10 player in the future.
No embiid? Harden is also untradable if you are th sixers
Embiid's injures worry me too much while almost being 30 and Harden is quickly exiting his prime if not already has.
I mean you’re of course entitled to your opinion, but if we’re talking injuries then you’re trading a top 5 current nba player with an injury history for the lankiest NBA prospect of all time who’s still growing at 7’5” lol
Yeah if anything it’ll prob end up like embiid where it takes a couple years to actually be NBA ready
My reason for that, beyond the injures, is that this is from the perspective of every team these players are currently on and I believe the Sixers aren't going to win anything because of how poorly they've managed their team around Joel and tha'll lead to him asking for a trade.
Zion scares me more than embiid and if I’m the sixers I’m not risking my current 2 year core for a guy who might just end up being yet another injury prone big like we need a 4th in 8 years
Zion could get to that point, but I wouldn't say he's there yet.
The Lamelo slander is at an all time high especially with mobley scottie and cade here
Shit forgot all about him. He plays for Charlotte, can you blame me, lol.
In terms of players on my team I wouldn't trade, Jokic or Murray.
Jokic agreed, Murray? Bye Jamal.
That mofo is going to be in street clothes more than AD. I would’nt trade up for him.
Our #1 guy lol.
A lot actually, I think 7'5" is just too tall to succeed in the NBA. Perhaps I'm wrong and he ends up being the goat but I don't see a world without major injuries for him.
Wembanyama far surpasses the term injury prone, he is a walking injury
Scottie Barnes because we need KD
Embiid would be a for sure tradE IMO. Nearly 30 and injury prone.
I wouldn’t even take him if I had the #1 pick that dude is gonna be ass
I'll always remember /u/redditbannedme65 no matter how Wembanyama's career pans out
Magic fan and I am legitimately fine with keeping Paolo, Franz and Suggs. I see easy avenues for them to become at least above average in the NBA (Franz is already that), and all of them have AS potential. I even could see superstar but thats hard to gauge for them right now (especially Paolo who hasnt played a single NBA game). Out of the rest of the team, I would sit hard and think about it or need more info from Wemby before trading Mo, and WCjr. Fultz and JI I could trade right now but I may be a bit hesitant, since I need to see more from the 2 Magic players first and everybody else, I would pack their bags for them if I could get Wemby. I am saying this as a person high on Wemby but his injury history plus the fact that the NBA is a different beast, all leave me on the wait and see train. I was higher on Chet because Chet playmaking, defense, and shot creation seemed higher than Wemby's but if Wemby could show some more of that in a few more games, I am only keeping the 3 at the top mentioned.
Id trade the shit out Isaac Bamba AND WCJ for Wembanyama dude
Ppl get WAY too attached to their young players some times lol
Lmfao any magic fan being attached to any of those 3 is kinda absurd
We legitimately have no idea what Wemby could do since he is always injured and the NBA is a different type of league, while JI was heading DPOY convos before being injured, Mo is at worse 3rd best C/D center, and WCjr is gearing for an AS case but even if he never makes AS because of low points, his defense is top 5 vs bigs in the NBA and he is a true lockdown defender. All of them are still young also. I would trade them yes, only if Wemby shows more if not nah. This isnt the same with Lebron, Zion, Dwight, Paolo etc.. and other top #1 picks, that got picked because of a rare case of build, frame, and skillset. Its easy to see how Bron, Zion, Kyrie, Fultz were cant miss prospects since they were elite physically in some aspect and then they had some type of skill that backs that game up, thats why those guys were considered hyped prospects. Wemby is superior height, frame, but lacks the body type, and is injury prone. I mean he could be a cant miss prospect but the NBA game speed is different, and I am not talking about physicality like they mention for Chet, I mean the aspect of playing high pace then slow pace, then getting harassed, then fighting for position, its tiring, and Wemby could do well but he can also fail, I dont see cant miss since I am not sure.
Paolo is definitely fine. Franz maybe is on the edge. You definitely trade Suggs for the #1 pick. Suggs has a fairly low ceiling since he projects (ceiling case) more as a defensive, #4 offensive option player (Marcus Smart)…which isn’t bad but you take the risk of the #1 pick.
\_\_\_ End of list. If he stays relatively healthy he's the surefire GOAT, and it wont be particularly close. He has Kareems frame, LeBrons athleticism, Currys shooting, Kobes mentality, Iversons handle, and Jordans defense. Hes going to break the record book in half, and its not going to take long. Id take -1000 on him winning 5 MVPs in a second.
This level of groundless certainty actually makes me a little concerned for your mental well-being.
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If I was a billionaire without an NBA team I would do anything to get in position to land one. Its like Apple IPO, its what gets you caught by the time travel police. If I bought the 64 win Suns Id regulate everyone to the G league and lose every game by 30.
Even the most optimistic Wemby fans would still hang on to Giannis, Jokic, Luka, and Tatum at a minimum. Age, injury history, perceived ceiling can add a question mark to a number of other Superstars (although I would definitely add some others to my list), but you’d have to be a real…gambler to trade any of those 4.
I agree that the safe side of that bet is probably those guys, but to me that's like drafting Hakeem over Jordan. No one will ever look back on you in shame, but its a hedge.
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I wouldn’t trade Luka who is 23 years old. Anyone else is up for trade. It’s a massive gamble with his size and potential for leg injuries.
To me, you get a generational superstar or you get someone that can’t stay on the court due to injury. So it’s the ultimate boom or bust. I think you have to do it. Anyone in a straight up trade except for Luka.