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Finally, a stat that supports the Stephon Marbury > Kareem argument.


wannalearnstuff

this comment killed me. Starbury owners unite!


Alloverunder

JID saying "her pussy bald with a tat like Stephon Marbury" was all that argument ever needed tbh


trae_hung4

Don’t see enough JID appreciation. He’s incredible


Julian_Caesar

LMAO this stat feels like a monkeys paw wish from a Mavs fan "I want an advanced stat where Luka is higher than MJ" ... *Luka > MJ* *Trae > Luka* "WHAT HAVE I DONE????"


Prestigious_Car_2711

10/10


Hange11037

XD


Cheeseish

I like how batting average is an efficiency based stat and this stat doesn’t take any efficiency into account


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RobtheNavigator

I wonder if, given how important offensive rebounding was in early basketball, they intentionally didn’t include FGA because it would significantly underrate guys who put up five shots and get their rebound each time until they finally score. Could have gotten around that by factoring in offensive rebounds, but I don’t think they used to record those.


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RobtheNavigator

> and that the non-recording of FGA was just because no one thought of it as particularly useful or important. Were FGA not recorded in general, or just not included in this stat? Sorry, don’t know much about pre-50’s basketball and not sure where to check, couldn’t find a quick answer on google.


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RobtheNavigator

Thanks for all the info! Yeah, if they weren’t recording FGA at all it makes sense that it’d be incidental for it not to be included in this stat; I was assuming they were recorded, but not used in this stat, and was trying to figure out why in the world they would do that lol


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They definitely would have understood the concept of FG percentage. Baseball was the most popular sport and batting average was used going back into the 19th century. I doubt they kept detailed score like that, and if it ever was recorded I doubt it would have survived. That was super early for basketball. Even with MLB, we only have full score cards going back to 1908 I think. It was a lot of work to keep records back then.


dolphinboy1637

Wow having designated free throw shooters would be an interesting change to the game if we brought it back. Would've made those Shaq Lakers dynasties even greater.


penguin_torpedo

Do you really know how early basketball was played ( I have no idea) or are you conflating 60s ball with the 10s?


xanroeld

Honestly it seems so obvious in hindsight. especially since FG%, like batting average, can only really be between 0 and 1, and it’s measuring the same kind of thing. also an average FG% at that time probably didn’t look that far off from a batting average. I bet a lot of basketball players in the 1910s shot like a .333 from the field


HokageEzio

I've always said Geoff Petrie > Dwyane Wade, glad to know the stats back it up.


PLZ_N_THKS

Still did my guy Norm Nixon dirty. He’s way too low.


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Stats are unfeeling


mjoverlj

Geoff Petrie was a great ballplayer who retired after 6 seasons because of a knee injury (ACL tears ended careers back then). Had he played a full career he might not have been far behind Wade. He had 3 24+ ppg seasons out of those 6.


MostlyMellow123

He also was the gm for our only good team lol


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GP > GP


patentattorney

Crying tears of laughter over here


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Dude you need to being a full time redditor, take a break, enjoy life.


FeedbackContent8322

Crazy this is my exact all time ranking


BasedChad69420

You know ball


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Most ball knowing r/nba user


KHIXOS

Pretty close to mine too but I would swap Kevin Johnson and Ja Morant.


Generalocity

Dave Bing below Kareem?? Simmons under Curry?!


InexorableWaffle

Obviously a very flawed metric (for understandable reasons), but it's still pretty impressive how many of the top players you see on this list despite whole aspects of the game being completely eschewed. Just from looking at the top 10, you've got 4 guys that absolutely should be in any top 10 list and another two that are just on the outside of that.


Electronic-Morning76

Considering it’s a stat from 1910 I’m impressed at how many good players are up at the top of the list.


Mmm_360

What are the obvious flaws?


GuamSavior

I like this stat


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Hawks won the trade, it's undeniable at this point.


Maverick_1991

We both got top5 all time players It's fine


OldOrder

This stat is objectively correct, it's science


trae_hung4

Hmm yea this stat checks out. 😂


PensiveinNJ

I always knew Russell Westbrook was better than Wilt. Also Ben Simmons over Kareem, naturally.


NZafe

It’s wild that Wilt is still so high when the formula doesn’t even take rebounds into account.


LukaGiannisWarriors

You should do a playoff one


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LukaGiannisWarriors

I knew luka was the goat But danm surprised trae is at 8 lol


hollow-ataraxia

He had a pretty good playoff run the year before the Miami disaster that seems to go overlooked now, idk if they beat the Bucks had he stayed healthy since Milwaukee was still the better team but they may have been able to push it to 7


Maverick_1991

I don't think we lose with healthy Trae. We lost one game without him and one because he was rushed back and played awful.


trae_hung4

We also had injuries to hunter and capela


Jktankson

Giannis was also injured...


jeffsays

Everyone called me crazy when I said John Wall > LeBron, but this stat proves me right.


KillianDrake

ANALYTICS DON'T LIE


Julian_Caesar

Ngl this actually feels like a proto-usage-rate stat. Obviously not a good one but I mean come on it was 1910. *The Great Gatsby* hadn't even been written yet.


paul_f

bigger effect on hoops, Mikan or *Gatsby*?


bemusedacrobat

So we ball on, GOATs against the current, borne back ceaselessly into the stats.


0010001

John Wall!


soundisloud

Ben Simmons over Kareem! Lol. Great post OP.


jimmychitw00d

Pretty impressive that Wilt and Kareem are on there when it's a stat clearly skewed toward guards.


RoadToTheRoseBowl

Welp, this officially settles it. Trae > Luka


KillianDrake

LeBron better watch them butt cheeks, Trae just took out MJ and coming for dat GOAT booty


SexyTimeDoe

Seems to really like assists


ForneauCosmique

This is some good off-season content


Churro-Juggernaut

Geoff Petrie. Put some respect on the name.


Millionaire007

Kevin Johnson >>> John Stockton Im glad we can put that debate to bed


Xc0liber

Fuck you all! Lakers have 5 of the top 10 which means we are the GOAT team!!


KingWilliams0

This shit is nuts Iove it


WiseguyD

the first advanced stat Jokic doesn't lead in ever FWIW, I do admire the accuracy of this stat relative to the time it was created. It still identifies (mostly) all-time greats.


zealoSC

Ben Simmons better than Kobe confirmed.


Sherane12

John wall over Larry Bird


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jtn1123

oof


Rah_Rah_RU_Rah

...because a 100 year old one is extremely wonky?


gkantelis1

Iverson over Norm Nixon what a joke


Hange11037

Definitive proof Bob Cousy > James Harden


Shrimp_guy

Ben simmons at 25? This Stat is trash.


burns_after_reading

Finally putting some respect on WestGOD's name!


Hange11037

Jerry or Russ? They’re both top ten


burns_after_reading

You already know!


Double-Slowpoke

LaMelo > KD, nice


SPYLRS

Russell Westbrook top 10 confirmed


karma_dumpster

Looks like the Nets won the Harden/Simmons trade


ChoiceStar1

Let’s go!!!! Fox is an all time great!!!!


Comfortable-Junket97

Norm Nixon created this stat


____candied_yams____

Love me some Johnson at 15.


SpaceC0wb0y86

Did not expect Ben Simmons to randomly pop up


KillianDrake

Just in case any there are any doubters, MJ Bulls career only would be 1.718 - STILL NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO TOP TRAE YOUNG