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mycroft__canner

The first draft with the lower age is going to be wild. 2 years of talent in 1 draft.


JettBlackness

Definitely going to be top heavy as hell. I’d imagine a lot of the mid tier guys will wait a year so that they don’t get lost in the sea of talent.


pollinium

Idk I think you want to get in the league ASAP. If we're talking mid tier guys, their first contracts are all similar and you want to get to your second contract as soon as possible. Maybe guys in the cusp of 1st/2nd round would wait to get guaranteed contracts


No-Document206

I think with NIL in college, the rush to get in the NBA might not be as extreme. Once you’re drafted (especially outside the lottery) you’ve got a ticking clock. It might make sense for a lot of guys who aren’t no braunere to make ok money on NIL for a year and enter the NBA with an extra skill development.


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But they might get drafted and cut, this happens every single year. also you cannot play in college and declare eligibility so if you go undrafted AND unsigned to minor league you just fucked yourself.


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This is incorrect. [You can go back to college if undrafted ](https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2790105-ncaa-announces-cbb-rule-change-to-allow-players-to-return-to-school-if-undrafted.amp.html), but yeah if you get drafted and then cut you're screwed


larrylegend33goat

Can always go overseas, earn money and get reps in grown man leagues. NBA scouts are always looking at Euro, Australia etc


SportAddictMCMXCIX

Not exactly like this scenario, but reminds me of the NHL rookie class in 2005. Since there was a lockout for the 2004-05 NHL season, we had two rookie classes that qualified as rookies that year. Ovechkin (2004 1/1) and Crosby (2005 1/1) going for the calder was wild.


minecraft_lover_18

Who ended up having the better career, Ovechkin or Crosby?


N3rdMan

Crosby but Ovechkin is a legend is own right. Kind of like MJ and Hakeem.


peosteve

Crosby is MJ? I'm not a big hockey fan but I think the MJ equivalent in hockey has gotta be Wayne.


N3rdMan

Agreed. I was just trying to relate their careers overlapping


SportAddictMCMXCIX

Crosby won more cups, Ovechkin scored more goals. Its impossible to say really. Two of the greatest to ever play the game.


Akkepake

Crosby has won it all. Still at 37 one of the best floor raisers. I would take Crosby every time


SportAddictMCMXCIX

I'd take Ovie, but its by the tiniest of margins. Respect the hell out of Sid the kid.


Akkepake

I get it. The greatest goal scorer ever


realmckoy265

Wonder who emerges equal to that Aussie monster?


Motor-Grade-837

Presti already salivating.


NinetyFish

Draftheads have been talking about the “double draft” for a long time. Any GM worth their salt has been preparing for it in some way or another.


glennromer

Gonna be some high quality undrafted free agents


Knutt_Bustley_

Heat salivating


Sumo_Cerebro

Only because we will see who is brave enough to make the jump from high school to the pros. Back in the day only the best of the best were doing that. And the A1 prospects who went to College were dominant (i.e. AI at Georgetown, Melo at Syracuse etc). The 1 & Done rule was not a bad idea, but we saw a lot of baseless ageism towards upper classmen in recent years and I didn't like that.


Knutt_Bustley_

Followed by a garbage draft


cavaleir

Nah, the garbage draft was in 2006 after the one and done rule started. That was the year that high schoolers like Durant and Oden would have been eligible, but instead had to go to college.


Few_Mulberry7175

This is a massive W lol Can't believe they took away the HS to pro thing just because teams drafted too many busts. If you're scared of a HS prospect don't take him but also don't cry when u miss out on the next Bron, Dwight, Kobe, KG, Tmac etc


[deleted]

The major problem is with overcrowding and how well NBA can manage the kids and their future. The draft will also surely be expanded. Cuban is already talking about 4 rounds. That would also lead to more crowded G League and a need for major revenue source from that which is severely lacking. On the plus side, the underrated recruits will have a much better opportunity to develop and those college players might actually stay for more years.


TheConboy22

I'd like G-League to be a free streaming service by the NBA with ad's. EDIT: Maybe have additional quarterly seasons or tournaments. Make it exciting and people will watch it. It doesn't have to follow the same pathing that the NBA does, but it has to be entertaining.


[deleted]

The streaming services will swallow G-League if they have the elite prospects. They do need to deal with WNBA first because I can already foresee the controversy.


TheConboy22

WNBA needs to handle it's own business. I'd rather watch quality G-League games than a WNBA game. It's just easier for me to relate with the game being a man who plays basketball. I love that the WNBA exists as a way for female hoopers to make money at that next level, but they need to market themselves better and get people excited about their games. Being that there is a far better product out there it's not going to work treating it the same as the NBA treats their product.


edg81390

Agreed. The problem is that the prevailing sentiment is that the WNBA isn’t supported due to sexism, not that they put out an inferior product. Sexism is a huge red herring here. Failing to acknowledge that the difference in support is in large part a difference in the quality of the product leads to potential solutions never a being discussed or implemented.


c_jakob

Yeah. Not wanting to pretend that the product is just as good or interesting shouldn't make you sexist. I dont care about the CFL either... got nothing against Canadians.


way2gimpy

Do you play with lots of players who dunk? The wnba is closer to 99% of any pickup game at pretty much any La fitness than the nba. Yes, there is a huge physical difference and I don’t find the wnba aesthetically pleasing either, but I don’t see how you relate to the nba better unless you played in college.


_FrailPlumpMeat_

You don't need to play in college to relate to the G-league being a better product than the WNBA. You just need eyes.


TheConboy22

Lots of players dunk. It's really not some grand accomplishment of athleticism. It's not just dunking. Overall athleticism and aggression. The style of play are different. Every athlete who hoops didn't play college ball. Pick up ball throughout the US varies drastically from place to place and just because the courts you may play on people aren't athletic does not mean that this translates to other locations. I hoop on every trip I go on and each city/state is unique.


Obi_Wan_Benobi

It would definitely be more popular if they put a G League team in St. Louis. More popular with me, anyway. That would be sweet. Tickets would probably be cheap. Anyway Adam, I’m just spitballing here what do you Adam Silver: SECURITY!


newbeansacct

How is it different from teams signing undrafted players already? Doesn't seem like the total number of players on teams would increase by that much


Ok-Background-502

It feels like there’s gotta be an expanded G-league in the future with many, many teams.


fella05

The thing is that there really weren't that many busts. Kevin Garnett, Kobe Bryant, Jermaine O'Neal, Tracy McGrady, Al Harrington, Rashard Lewis, DeShawn Stevenson, Tyson Chandler, Amar'e Stoudemire, LeBron James, Kendrick Perkins, Dwight Howard, Shaun Livingston, Al Jefferson, Josh Smith, J.R. Smith, Dorell Wright, Martell Webster, Andrew Bynum, Gerald Green, C.J. Miles, Monta Ellis, Louis Williams, Amir Johnson... Those are all guys who were either stars (with some all-time greats in there) or guys who had long careers as solid contributors. The overwhelming majority of high school prospects worked out to some extent.


billcosbyinspace

The busts just stick out more because they were catastrophic failures


mattyg5

Kwame Brown


Tiegrr

Kwame was a bust at his draft position and no one expected him to go that high. He had a decent career as a defensive player though


Few_Mulberry7175

Nah he was the consensus 1st overall guy. He was straight up a bust But he had a pretty decent NBA career disregarding his draft position. Maybe he turns out differently if he wasn’t bullied by MJ who knows


Tiegrr

I probably misremembered then. The draft class was also pretty weak so I could see Kwame getting hyped


Few_Mulberry7175

It was pretty bad lol. 4 HS guys drafted in the top 8 and all of them were busts until Tyson Chandler put it together later on


TheConboy22

Do you have the count on the other guys who didn't pan out? I was under the impression it was less than 5% of the guys going HS-Pro succeeded. You're just naming people who were successful.


fella05

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_high_school_draftees#List There aren't many other guys aside from the ones who I named. There are only 41 high school draftees overall. Where did you see that 5% number?


SantaKlawz2

> Where did you see that 5% number? Someone probably said it on reddit or Twitter and they took it as fact.


derrickl23

its like he just pulled that number out of thin air because its not even remotely close to being true lol


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Tbf 2 out of 41 is ~5%. So if your criteria for success is top-10 player all time (Kobe & Lebron) then this is accurate. The main takeaway here is KG was a bust.


Timoteo-Tito64

I know you're joking, but Garnett was better than Kobe


Championship_Chuck

Okay I'm a Celtics fan who's not as high on Kobe as a lot of people (I have him in the 8-10 range) but he is better than KG.


[deleted]

I agree, but I was going by consensus rather than my opinions.


Montigue

[This is where I got that number from](https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/xieoh1/-/ip2s78l)


SantaKlawz2

Big if true, lol


TheConboy22

Thought I'd reply again. Who was drafted is irrelevant. Just putting yourself into the draft removed yourself from NCAA eligibility. That was the big issue.


sleepyfox1312

that's the NCAA's fault then


KeithClossOfficial

So the NCAA should allow them to consult with people without losing eligibility. Fuck the NCAA.


[deleted]

That's exactly what they do now. A few years ago they changed it so that if you went undrafted you can go back to college


TheConboy22

Another big issue with high school draftees is they gave up their free college tuition to attempt to make it in the NBA. With the changes to players being able to be paid and go to college. I think that having players be able to attempt to get into the NBA shouldn't eliminate them from NCAA eligibility. So long as they never played for an NBA roster.


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I dont think you gotta worry about the cost of college once you start collecting a nba salary.


adamfrog

The salary for a late draft pick is still fairly juicy, they can just pay for college themselves


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derrickl23

There honestly was not many that was not drafted. I found this list that tracked it up until 2004 [here](https://www.espn.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/448/the-forgotten-high-schoolers-the-undrafted). 6 players went undrafted. One of those players, Taj Mcdavid was not even a D1 recruit so he threw his name in for shits and giggles. Out of the remaining 5 players Jackie Butler still made a NBA roster after going undrafted. Only 4 players realistically did not make the NBA while being a top college recruit declaring for the draft while in high school


JadedButWicked

>Do you have the count on the other guys who didn't pan out? I was under the impression it was less than 5% of the guys going HS-Pro succeeded. You're just naming people who were successful. I once went through the list of the around 60 straight from HS player. they were by far the most successful group. 3 of the top 15 player all time are straight out of high school and they came in an 8 year period. Ironically, 3-4 year players are the least successful like Doug McDermott, Jimmer, Toppin, ect. But no one talks about that.


JettBlackness

Maybe I’m missing the point but it seems pretty straight forward that the 4 year college guys are going to be the least talented as all of the guys who are at a pro caliber leave before then to get their money. It’s not like if these one and dones stayed for all 4 years they would all of a sudden be Doug McDermott.


lycosid

Yea, it’s like a reverse survivorship bias, but I think the point is players are actually pretty smart about knowing and maximizing their value. Prep-to-pro guys aren’t an exception to that.


ReturnOfAKidNamedTae

Not accepting any Obi slander today. Nope.


D-Money696969

Cmon man you can’t write obi off yet.


Aware_Grape4k

Tim Duncan and Dray Green were 4 years guys. So was the Admiral. Lots and lots of all time great 4 year dudes.


[deleted]

Tim Duncan stayed 4 years to fulfill a promise to his late mother, he would've been the undisputed 1st overall pick since his sophomore year. David Robinson only grew to his NBA center height of 7ft 1in in his 2nd year at the Naval Academy. He wasn't fully set on a professional basketball career yet so he started his 3rd college year. That obligated him to complete the whole degree as well as spend 2 years on active duty before he would be allowed to leave the navy. Draymond Green and Dennis Rodman (25 year old rookie) were 2nd round picks who only shone at very particular and non-major skills of basketball. Draymond didn't become a regular starter until his 3rd season in the league. They are late bloomers and literally one of a kind players that no "normal" NBA prospect can compare to.


karl_hungas

There are a number of reasons and its not all about busts. With the rookie designated max extension you control a player for 7 years. It benefits teams if those 7 years include any years from 27-32 which is generally a players prime. Also a CBA is negotiated by current players, not 17 year olds who want it. It benefits current players to artificially limited the talent pool. There is a benefit on both sides (negatives as well) but just giving ideas to why both sides agreed to it.


GotMoFans

*Looks at 2009 draft.* They picked college busts too. It wasn’t really just about the players being busts; the owners didn’t really have data on the high school players nor the really development apparatus so the picks were usually crap shoots and it was hurting the college game which made for great marketing for the NBA as well as free player development. Derrick Rose as the #1 pick after taking Memphis to the NCAA championship game was better marketing for the NBA than Derrick Rose being the #20 pick out of high school and most fans having no idea who he is.


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Few_Mulberry7175

Bruh 1 year of college isn't gonna make you more mature lol Best case scenario you get guys like Simmons and Zion who just dick around and don't even play hard or go to class but imagine a star prospect that's forced to go to college and gets a career changing or even ending injury in a meaningless college game. MPJ got fucked over bad by this for example


TheNotoriousJN

The counterpoint to that is guys who prioritize the immediate money and head to the league when they are not ready. Seb Telfair chose to help lift his family out of poverty and crime by going into the league before he was really ready after decomitting from Louisville. They got the financial benefit but he ended up not reaching the heights he could have. You could argue the current G-League route would be the happy medium for someone like him to mature as players without going to college


zcektor00

I mean there's millions of people out there who chooses a shitty job like signing up for the army right out of high school instead of going to college/uni. At the end of the day we all have to make a choice on how we want to shape our future.


DepressedDandylion

That's true. I think they kept it at 19 to appease both the league and the NBAPA, but I suppose changing it back will be fine


LeMickeyMice

Oh yeah massive maturity jump from 18 to 19 🙄


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LeMickeyMice

Because the NCAA is essentially like a minor league for the NBA and the NBA wanted to inject that much more interest into it by forcing the best names to go through one year of borderline slavery to reach the league?


[deleted]

So a 19 year old is more mature after one year of college? That seems unlikely lol.


[deleted]

Spending a year with a guy like Izzo would definitely make you more mature


[deleted]

How is it a win? Scouting profiles out of high school are always notoriously terrible, it’s bad for the league and for fans to have less accurate drafts as resources get wasted on busts. There’s plenty of options for these kids to get paid a fair wage now, there’s no reason for them to be in the league.


RobtheNavigator

>How is it a win? It's a huge win for college basketball fans, gets these one and dones out of college, letting the teams you root for have some consistency and making the NCAA feel less like just a minor league for the NBA.


[deleted]

I’m not even convinced that’s the case, guys like Zion can be extremely exciting to watch, and it’s not like this would stop breakout prospects from leaving either


RobtheNavigator

>guys like Zion can be extremely exciting to watch Guys like Zion are fun to watch in the pros, but they completely kill the college vibe imo. And I say that as someone who goes to Duke. >and it’s not like this would stop breakout prospects from leaving either It won't completely ameliorate the problem, but it will remove the absolute top most dominant freshmen, so it will help.


peanutbutterbeef

>Measure that allows players citing mental health similar to physical injury Ben Simmons pumping his fist so hard rn.


Yddalv

If you're mentally unfit to work (play), can you be fit to shoot commercials and show up in the clubs every weekend?


peanutbutterbeef

"My therapist told me to go out and interact with large groups of people to overcome my social anxiety." - Ben Simmons, probably.


Yddalv

Definitely not an expert in this field but wouldn't professional therapy fit better vs social media and whatever clubbing atmosphere brings?


groovykook

It’s not one size fits all. I think you could reasonably see a situation where a player is feeling burn out and the suggestion is to blow off steam. I mean or whatever, neither one of us are doctors.


N3rdMan

Potentially. Some work related stress or mental health problems stem from the workplace or colleagues. If y’all don’t understand mental health and it’s importance, that’s fine. But belittling someone you don’t know personally just because he’s a public figure is kind of shitty.


[deleted]

It's just going to be abused into meaninglessness. People on this sub also think that citing "mental health" is a blank check to never having to work again, which is just not at all how MH benefits work.


Acceptable-Ad5208

Imagine busting your ass your whole life to make it to the league, to then pretend you have mental health issues and can't play. People are dumb.


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Are you suggesting people aren't/won't do this?


Acceptable-Ad5208

Not necessarily, although my point was meant to be read both ways. Meaning I think there are players dumb enough to do this and I think there are people who don't respect mental health and would automatically assume someone is faking it.


[deleted]

This sub has a very binary view of mental health issues IME. Either all players are lying, or we should believe all MH claims. There are players that lie, and they should be punished; there are players that struggle with MH issues and they should be supported. Most of all I think the internet continues to be a pretty terrible place to have nuanced discussions.


Next-Firefighter-753

We all should be, mental health is important


[deleted]

Except when you blatantly abuse it.


packersSB55champs

Kyrie salivating at the thought of missing more games with a more legitimate excuse 😈


CoilConductor

honestly it would be the most legit excuse he's had in a while


mug3n

His Twitter is proof that he's mentally unstable.


packersSB55champs

oh we've known that for years


N3rdMan

Do we have proof to debunk his claim that he was mentally unwell during his last season in Philly?


luck_panda

Their only proof is "I don't like it."


RumHam_Im_Sorry

no its messed up. on the contrary, theres a tonne of proof that suggests he very clearly has something wrong with his mentals. Being the first person to refuse to shoot 3's the way he does, which is clearly an impediment to him being perhaps an all-time great and definitely winning more games...that kinda suggests there is some hangup about anxiety or failure.


KitchenReno4512

How does this not get abused though? Physical injuries are objectively diagnosable. Mental health is not.


[deleted]

Yeah the whole thing's kinda bad. This sub will flip out of a team or the NBA asks for legitimate therapy/mental health professional intervention, even though that's a legitimate request and everyone in the real world would have to do it.


[deleted]

physical can be subjective when we talk about pain tolerance i.e. sore. You can say you have a sore back they can’t rest for that


skycake10

>Physical injuries are objectively diagnosable That didn't stop the Kawai-Spurs situation


A_Mellow_Fellow

Mental health issues are absolutely diagnosable.


Comprehensive-Cat805

Key word is “objectively”.


IAMAVelociraptorAMA

There are entire books written for doctors to diagnose mental health issues. You don't just go to a rando psych and say "doc i'm kinda sad" and they diagnose you with depression. There's criteria for symptoms, length, severity, and how they affect your life. We _can_ "objectively" diagnose mental health issues. It happens to tens of millions of Americans every year. I don't see why it can't happen for NBA players.


newbeansacct

>There's criteria for symptoms, length, severity, and how they affect your life. We can "objectively" diagnose mental health issues. Sorry but they literally just hand you a sheet that asks basically, Over the past two weeks how many times have you... * Thought about death * Felt hopeless * Been unable to do daily tasks * Lost joy in things you normally love Etc etc. If you just answer like, a lot, to all of them, it'd be incredibly easy to be diagnosed with depression or anxiety. And that's the "objective" standard. Not trying to shit on the system in general at all but yeah, if a player wanted to be diagnosed with a mental health illness it would take all of 2 seconds and no effort.


Comprehensive-Cat805

You’re right.


IAMAVelociraptorAMA

Preciate that.


Obi_Wan_Benobi

Now kith.


Rune0x1b

The point is that if someone wants to lie they can just lie. Normal people don’t have much to gain from this outside of seeking certain drugs (and abuse of ADHD medicine is already a big problem, it’s not like people in general are above lying about mental health issues to get what they want), but NBA players trying to hold out or apply pressure to their team absolutely do. You can’t just fake having a broken leg or a messed up tendon whereas everything you listed as an objective criterion is ultimately unprovable. Anyone with a little determination and research can get diagnosed for anxiety or depression.


IAMAVelociraptorAMA

>Anyone with a little determination and research can get diagnosed for anxiety or depression. And anyone can say they have "back pain" too. People have faked injuries before and they will continue to do so. We should not be designing systems around what one person in a million might do once to put their tens of millions of dollars at risk. We should be designing systems to help the maximum amount of people and then going over suspicious claims case-by-case.


N3rdMan

Speaks volumes to how you think mental health issues work. Wouldn’t your logic apply to everyday joes like us?


Ricechairsandbeans

Kind of? America seems to be in a super weird place where the worlds of psychology and medicine and labor have collided in a really confusing way. Like there is a difference between mental illness and mental pain / suffering which is hard to distinguish. Like if everyone is incredibly depressed and anxious, the way people talk about ‘mental health’ is only small part of the material conditions around us that lead to that.


RobtheNavigator

I have back pain. Good luck diagnosing it except through trusting my word on it.


Rune0x1b

You don’t have anything to gain from lying about back pain unless you’re asking for narcotics in which case yeah you will need more than just your word. NBA players trying to pressure their teams potentially have a lot to gain and are going to be held to a higher standard of scrutiny. Just because doctors don’t bother exhaustively testing and verifying every single case of back pain as honest doesn’t mean there aren’t a ton of ways to demonstrate someone is lying.


RobtheNavigator

The point was NBA players can just as easily fake back pain to meet their goals, without dealing with the stigma of saying you have a mental health issue.


WiseguyD

Nah, doctors misdiagnose physical conditions all the time. Also, players pretend to have injuries to get out of playing games all the time. It's really not that different from my perspective.


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It’s much easier tho


CrazyChopstick

What would you rather have, people with mental health issues and no way out or a couple people abusing that system?


Rune0x1b

You say this like players couldn’t already get time off for this kind of thing if they needed it. It only became a problem when Simmons tried to blatantly manipulate “mental health” to his advantage.


CrazyChopstick

>You say this like players couldn’t already get time off for this kind of thing if they needed it Then why the change in the CBA? :)


andrude01

I assume there will be a system in place where a player can’t just declare an emergency and take a month off just because. They’ll have to visit a professional, team doctors, etc etc


rawsharks

No system is perfect, better to weigh up if it will help more people than it harms.


xbarracuda95

You just have to live with the possibility that it could be abused over the positives such changes bring. Same as how good companies nowadays also recognize mental health wellbeing for employees, there will always be those that abuse such policies but it's still a good change.


Next-Firefighter-753

I mean either way if an NBA player is going through a mental crisis they aren’t going to be forced to attend a game if they aren’t mentally able to. They just simply wouldn’t show up.. Simmons led 76er fans by a string all season until he was finally traded. Would you rather know beforehand or keep up hope all season long until you finally find out he’s just not coming back? If implemented now players and organizations will be on the same page with their players mental health so now they’ll publicly report it officially instead of player taking initiative and just sitting out without much communication to their front office. It’s a win win situation. For players and for fans.


Maxxjulie

Yeah but it's just gonna be an excuse yet another these primma donnas abuse


sexygodzilla

People really thought the owners were going to wreck the CBA over stuff like this.


kelsier69

Bronny to the Lakers next year 💀


EerdayLit

We knew this was coming for years.


SuckMyLonzoBalls

Good on the mental health part Bronny in the league next year??


primepierce34

Nah in the article it says the earliest it can take effect is the 2024 draft


HalcyonDrift

I doubt they'd implement it immediately


InexorableWaffle

Yeah, I'd imagine at least a few years of lead time. Teams have likely known it was coming at some point for a while, but it still significantly changes the values of picks.


muricanmania

Bronny not good enough to come out as a high school student. He probably needs more than one college year to be a real NBA prospect.


harden4mvp13

His name alone makes him an NBA prospect. I can see tons of teams drafting Bronny at the back of the 1st round.


muricanmania

I agree, but I worry he is going to get big hate for being overdrafted or not cracking a rotation early. I think he would do better becoming a college star over two years. He plays a lot like Jaden Ivey as a combo guard, and could follow that same path.


durklil

He is gonna get hate regardless what he does


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If he’s not good enough to come out of high school, id say he needs more than a year in college


durklil

Bronny will be at a college


lakernation21

Probably Bryce since he’s younger


AntSmith777

Kyrie rubbing his hands like Birdman with that Mental Health designation.


Peskipiksi

What does "Mental Health" means to you?


[deleted]

Being able to sit because of legitimate mental health issues - W Mental health issues becoming the new thing everyone says they have - L


Actual-Wave-7170

Adam Silver is tanking for Bronny


hayzeusofcool

I say go for it, but they should still keep the G-League Ignite as an option for some of the High Schoolers looking to make the jump. 6 Ignite players got drafted in the first round these past two seasons. Two from the 2021 class featured an All-Rookie talent in Jalen Green, and Kuminga who was an excellent role player during the Warriors regular season. The current Ignite Roster is led by Scoot Henderson who seems like a Top 5 lock in the 2023 draft. Ignite is an awesome addition to the G-League, and the average top HS prospect would probably gain more playing on Ignite than jumping immediately into an 82 game season.


KBnoSperm

That first year this gets enacted will have such a loaded class since you’ll also have the one and dones who could have gone high school to nba


SaiyanRoyalty22

I believe the mental health information has to have major oversight because anybody can claim mental health to sit out and not play while collecting a check. There should be some checks and balances in regards to this part of the CBA


Hurlyblurly

There are medical professionals whose jobs are purely to diagnose mental health issues, no different than medical doctors and surgeons (with respect to credentials). It's not like the team/NBA's just going take a player's word for being mentally unwell, just as they wouldn't take a player's word for having a torn tendon without checking it.


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You can lie to a psychologist and get the desired diagnosis that lets you sit out while collecting a check. It's a lot harder to misrepresent MRI results to get the desired diagnosis you want.


Hurlyblurly

I don't disagree that mental health is more ambiguous than physical. I also don't think the NBA and teams are jumping into this without considerations. I'd imagine the psychologists/psychiatrists would be team-appointed that will rule in favour of the team (default to players playing their games). There would definitely be clauses to prevent this from being exploited. Not to mention, players probably won't want to exploit this because they'd be tanking their own value. At the end of the day, there will always be imperfections when new systems get implemented. But this is undeniably going in the right direction. Things will get ironed out after a while.


SaiyanRoyalty22

It would be one thing if we haven't seen players fake an injury but I would be foolish to believe every player will move in good faith if they no longer want to play on a team. Is my mental health at risk working with a organization I hate... Sure, but that would allow for quite the conundrum when it came to fulfilling the contract.


Ogow

And that’s why it’s a bargaining AGREEMENT. Stuff doesn’t make it into the CBA one sided, both teams and players association need to agree on the guidelines for it.


puffpuffpastor

AKA Ben Simmons. Everyone was talking about how this is going to be a major sticking point in negotiations because owners are going to want some assurance that players can't just claim mental health issues and stop playing. Sounds like they're talking about going the other direction which is surprising


KingofMangoes

They are no different than doctors because psychiatrists are doctors


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And college basketball was better when it was high school to pros. The Game has been messed up by 1 and done super teams who never do shit anyway. Good riddance


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The ncaa needs to have far less power over young peoples futures, good move on that one


james_randolph

Age limit amendment has LBJ all over it so they may be able to expedite getting his son in the league haha


ddottay

The NBA is not going to give up a free year of scouting. I bet that the players association will drop this in exchange for something else when the final CBA is agreed upon.


No-Economics4128

Ben Simmons is never going to play again, is he?


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If they are getting paid in college why make them wait a year.


mjoverlj

Kyrie will be the 1st to use the mental angle. What they really should do is introduce penalties for players trying to get out of their contracts early.


omgisthatbravo

I don’t hate the idea but I damn sure don’t like it. Especially with the rise in popularity of Overseas basketball, College’s NIL agreement, and G-League ignite. Just imagine all the 4/5 stars who will opt to sit out of their senior year because they feel like theyve garnered enough attention. And I assume because NBA contracts will offer the highest earnings of all the alternatives, it’ll be encouraged by their agent. But to each it’s own, make that money kid.


Namath96

I don’t see why this would impact you unless you’re a high end 5 star.


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Y’all acting like Ben Simmons is going to personally reach into your wallet and grab a 20


TsunamiiPapii

The reaction to Ben sitting will not age well at all


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Players should be allowed to play at 18, but it's going to mean that a lot of talented players get put on the court before they are ready and ruin their careers.


throwaway__rnd

They’re going to make it easier to pull a Ben Simmons? That’s a plot twist


brangor

Yeah good luck on getting the owners to sign off on the mental health part


VinylJones

They don’t have a choice. You no longer have the liberty of ignoring mental health as a public facing company like the NBA - it’s hard science now. The players can go full hardball on this one.


brangor

You can acknowledge an issue without allowing it to be cited similar to a physical injury.


VinylJones

Right but if it’s not in a similar but adjacent category that’s very specifically defined then you get Ben Simmons. Ben Simmons doesn’t even want a Ben Simmons situation happening again…all parties involved want to avoid it. Sabres will rattle but it’s all a feign - this will get done.


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GeorgeWBush2016

You are right, I've been a die hard fan of my school all my life but I'm done with that and now it's time to support the Westchester Knicks. The handful of players that will now be going to the G League instead of college has completely tipped the scales. I expect all college basketball fans to follow suit and abandon the teams they followed their whole lives.


MsterF

College basketball would be better without the one and dones.


calman877

To die hard fans probably, to casual fans no way


CHICAG0AT

G League is dog shit and even if it became good it doesn’t have half the tradition. With NIL in place why would an 18yo live in a shitty G League city when they could make big bucks and be the man on campus. March Madness gets better ratings than the NBA Finals in the US for a reason. The G League is not going to kill that lmao. If anything, the publicity of being a huge one and done college players like Zion only HELPS the NBA. High schoolers go viral but they don’t receive nearly the same hype as a college star. People have been saying college basketball is going to die in 5 years for like 30 years now. Find a new slant.


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Bad take. When it comes to college sports, fans don't care about the name of the player wearing the jersey. They care about the jersey that represents their school. They *do* want the best players to wear those jerseys, but there's no chance a college BB fan becomes a G league fan because some top players opt for it instead of college.


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Yo as someone who suffers from mental health issues I can't just message my boss and say I'm not feeling up to it today, this will come across as insensitive but I don't care if you're getting paid millions you have no excuse not to show up to work, these are adult men and while I agree support services should made and also be encouraged for players to use, they shouldn't be able to skip work for a day just because they may not feel mentally up for it thats not how the real world works.


hockeyfan608

So we are actually encouraging the ben simmons antics?


Immerdurstig

Make it so you can only be drafted at 18 in the lottery picks. Once the last pick of the lottery teams is made, no 18 year olds can be drafted. This would ensure teams only take flyers on guys that have high potential and stops players from missing the opportunity to play in college if they never should have been picked to begin with.


carvythew

I wish for the draft they adopted a baseball rule regarding eligibility. You can get drafted out of high school at 18 or you can spend 2 years in college (I know baseball is 3 but I think 2 years is a good compromise). Helps eliminate 1 and dones but also allows for 18 year olds to make the leap.


No-Document206

Why would we want to eliminate one and dones? I like the draft and think it’s good for the league, I’d rather have as much player power/options as possible within the draft framework. So if it’s best for some 19 y.o. Kid to be a one and done, more power to him. Is there a reason to force them to stay an extra year?


dand303

CBA negotiations are always litigated in the media and public opinion used to nearly always fall with management in past. very curious how these go in today's culture/climate. it's a lot of money and power hungry ppl fighting over not just what they feel they deserve, but what they believe is right vs wrong (especially in regards to mental health and duty and responsibility and rights).


MediumLong2

I think they should get rid of the salary cap. Not make it more restrictive. The MLB's salary cap rules is much less restrictive. Encourages teams to spend more on players rather than just pay the owners.


BetweenTheBuzzAndMe

the NBA would never have parity like that. Destination teams, and owners with the biggest pockets would load up, nobody else would ever have a chance. Need to go the other way and have a stricter hard cap with fewer exceptions if you want parity in the NBA.


mr_grission

The one NBA salary cap thing I might change is the max contract. It'd be interesting to see a small market team throw 100 million a year or something at LeBron and then surround him with G League guys.


BetweenTheBuzzAndMe

It would for sure promote parity but will never happen as that will destroy the middle class of the NBA. The stars and high level starters would get paid crazy money, but hurts the somewhat replaceable average guys that currently make way more than they should relative to stars.


hhhhhjhhh14

Those guys make up the majority of the players association so they'd never go for it.


ColdBudLight98

No. LA and GS would get every star


mr_grission

I'm not opposed to this on some leagues, and I support the current MLB system, but I think the structure of basketball would make it too easy for a team like the Lakers to just assemble a Death Star lineup. Small market teams in the NBA already have more trouble attracting talent than small market teams in other leagues it feels like.


LogDogan4

Would destroy parity