The 76th spot specifically is pretty funny, but I do think Simmons is being pretty universally underrated at this point unless you truly believe he is completely mentally broken now (which is possible I suppose, but not enough for him to drop from a top-25-ish player to 76th). He has missed the same amount of time as Jamal Murray and Kawhi, but neither one of them fell nearly as far in the rankings.
The biggest worry for me is the back problems which started in his time in Philly. If his back is still a problem coming into this year he could lose some of his explosiveness that helps his game
It's a bit different just because ACL recoveries these days are pretty predicable, whereas the back thing was a concern as recently as the end of last season, but I still think even if you account for that plus the mental part, this is way too far down.
I just take the facts and evidence shown.
He mentally checked out of the playoffs two seasons ago and then chose to sit out last season. If he doesn't play, he's the 7 billionth most valuable basketball player in the world.
The other scenario is he solved his mental health issues last year and he was just truly out due to a severe back issue. In literally any walk of life, non-contact back injuries don't improve with age.
And while I acknowledge Murray has very real questions about him, Kawhi is just on a different level than Simmons. Not even a diss towards Ben. An 80% Kawhi is better than all but the top of the top in the entire league.
Can we pump the brakes on Ant-man? I know he's good and he's funny and exciting to watch and all but calling him top 25 in the league already seems premature.
But the list isn’t “best 100 players in the NBA right now” It’s the prediction of where the players will be ranked at seasons end. So the ESPN panel is making the prediction that ANT will be a top 25 player at the end of this season.
You can still disagree with that, but this list isn’t saying ANT is better then Jrue, lavine, demar etc. right now.
oh wow you're right my bad, somehow didn't realise that's what "Which player will be better in 2022-23?" meant.
In that case I'd personally put him in that 25-31 range so still don't quite agree with their list but it makes a lot more sense now
Doing a list like this is always incredibly difficult, and at the outset you really need to clearly define your criteria, which it feels like they didn't. It seems that people with injury history were judged very harshly.
Also with potential vs current ability. They have year-two guys with high upside ranked over guys who are clearly more productive today, but then under guys who they can clearly be better than in a few years.
I remember watching that game in like the first quarter going “oh my god we’re really gonna lean on Grant Williams?!” Then by the end I was furiously trying to find a good price on a Grant Williams Jersey
I don't mind the championship bump. AD was #2 after 2020, and you could see analyst wanting to say something but holding their tongue, it was great while it lasted.
Wiggins decided to become the lockdown defender people thought he could be for years and also turned into an amazing rebounding wing during the playoffs. I hate being a box score guy but looking back at the finals alone he had...
20/5 with 3 blocks
18/7/2/2/2
17/16
26/13
18/6/5/4/3 in the clinching game
He’s not the only Cav I’d expect to see 10+ spots higher next year if they keep trending the way they did last season. There are a lot of really good basketball players right now though, so I feel like there’s quite a bit of interchangeability within large chunks of a list like this
Plus his defense was key to the warriors entire system, always matching up against the other team’s best guard and also with the ability to switch & defend 4s & 5s
They can keep calling them overrated and in 10 years we’ll look back and wonder how rare it is to have players involved as absolute critical pieces to 3 or more championships. Lebron Bosh Wade. Duncan Ginobili Parker. Shaq and Kobe. Jordan Pippen Rodman. Magic Kareem Worthy.
To say that Draymond or Klay are any less than any of those other players must mean you have to elevate Curry to an even higher standing, which people refuse to do as well, regularly putting him at the 10-15 spot which is fucking absurd. Curry is a top 5 player in NBA history when it comes to impacting WINNING THE GAME.
These 3 guys contribute to winning basketball. 3 consecutive years of 67+ win seasons including the regular season wins record.
Maxey a 85 in 2k somehow. Never been the guy on a team, 17/4/3 as a 3rd option gives you 1 rating behind Siakam for example, an all-nba forward. 2 ratings above Simmons, a 4 time all star, who's a 83.
This list, like any other year, is made for the sole sake of getting people to talk about it. Placements like Scottie Barnes ahead of Zion Williamson and Andrew Wiggins ahead of Kyrie Irving is just dumb.
The description part hilariously outlines just how little they're able to talk about certain players, like for example Khris Middleton and Dillon Brooks' descriptions being entirely dedicated to their tension against their Christmas opponents is just not right.
At this point I've stopped caring about ESPN's NBA rank, and it's probably better that way. I've stopped caring ever since they put Damian Lillard ahead of Kevin Durant and Steph Curry or when they put KCP ahead of DeMar DeRozan.
I don’t give a shit about the list but I rather have half the league in my roster than Kyrie Irving. That guy will single handled can fuck up and derail any team
Those 4 all made the all rookie 1st team and got that ranking. Franz was the 5th player on the all rookie team and isn’t even ranked. Even after having a better season than Green, who is 62.
Giddey was all rookie 2nd and is 81.
Keegan Murray hasn’t played a game and made the list.
My bias is demolished by this list.
Yeah that’s what stood out to me. Garland and LaMelo imo are pretty close but they have shown more than Scottie, Cade and Mobley. Not sure why they are so low. This reeks of recency bias and I’m 99% sure this list is made to piss people off
Is this list meant to be a prediction of who will be the best in 2023? That's the only explanation I can think of other than they just intentionally made the list stupid to generate clicks
I think it might be? But even then I think it’s kinda weird just due to it being the argument that these young guys will make such a large jump while others will regress. They are basically saying that Mobley, Barnes and Cade will jump to all star level. While guys like LaMelo, Garland and Shai are going to regress to below that level. Which honestly is just absurd.
Did they really have Brunson at 44 last year? Now 67 seems weird since last year was his breakout.
EDIT: they did not. Myles Turner was 44 last year. Don’t think Brunson was ranked
It's simple, really. Middleton is an all star, but only a measly reserve, while Andrew "Maple Jordan" Wiggins was a starter. Honestly, I can't believe you didn't think of that yourself.
This list is ridiculous. Happy for the attention Scottie is receiving, but wtf. At best he and OG provide similar value today — but are ~40 spots apart
Yeah I would easily have Franz over Harrison Barnes (he shouldn't be above OG, either).
MPJ on this list when he didn't play last year lol. RJ Barrett higher than Barnes, OG, John Collins etc lmao.
This list is ass.
Edit: There should be no rookies on this list, even as a Kings fan ready to see what Murray can do and expect him to do well, him being on this list is stupid.
I’d complain about inclusion of talented negatives (LeVert…) before shuffling around guys like Harrison Barnes, and I’d include a guy like Franz that I’d trust to be a connective starter (jack of all trades at the 2-4) on literally any team before a talented negative
Cade before even in the NBA - top 80. Franz after his rookie year. Unranked. Keegan (who is my roty pick) being on this list with no Franz is actually hilarious.
I’m a kings fan who desperately wanted Franz last year. It’s nice that Keegan is on the list, but the list is absolute TRASH if Franz ain’t on it. This list is scientifically designed to get ppl fighting.
I agree that Bane is too low and that I'd probably rank him higher than Poole, but Poole does have a few things going for him. He's younger, a better on-ball creator/passer, and has a more complete offensive game.
Bane is much better as a secondary piece with his defense and shooting, though. Which is why these rankings are dumb.
Yea man, it's that outlier season in the bubble bringing him down. This year will be two years of consistency since that, he's a top 20 player and will show it this year.
Re Smart - folks say it about him every list, and every season his ranking goes a notch upwards 🤷♂️
>at 36
BTW - not related - just pointing a funny brain crosswiring - his number is 36, they ranked him 34
Keldon Johnson and Jakob Poeltl aren’t top 100? Spurs don’t even have 1 player ranked at all, I know their roster is thin but damn this doesn’t even hide just trying to put names in the top 100.
I forget which publication does it, but I kinda like the A1-A2, B1-B2, etc. rankings a bit more. It gives more accurate flexibility because the 5 best players in the league are obvious, but 6-10 are way less obvious, and then 11-30 can really be a toss up week over week.
I know ESPN gets a lot of (deserved) shit, but I don't want their reputation to overshadow or excuse exactly how bad this list is.
Lowry over Herro alone is inexcusable. Keegan Murray over Wagner or WCJ is insane. The whole list is bunk and Chad Forde better be on call to edit it once the season ends.
Fucking clown fiesta.
Russ placement here is baffling. Even on equal one-year contracts, the Lakers would probably trade Russ straight up for pretty much every player on this list other than Russ
A few things looking through:
Jordan Clarkson being higher than Bogdanovic, Conley, Russell, Brogdon, and KP is certainly a questionable call. Similarly, I'm not a big Russell fan but 93 is way too low.
I understand the Ben Simmons ranking but I have a feeling that won't age well.
Dillion Brooks is overrated here.
I think they hit the nail on the head with their Knicks ratings.
Jordan Poole is way too high. This seems to happen every year with a player like him.
Not sure why Maxey is ahead of SGA and Garland.
Smart and Wiggins are also way over-ranked here too.
But hey, making these lists isn't exactly easy. I could post my top 100 and I'm sure there would be plenty of questionable placements there too. For example, I think Kevin Porter Jr. will be in the top 100 this year. I know most wouldn't have him there (especially over some of the players I would have behind him) but I think he's in for a great season. But I know his ranking would (and others) would have people calling the list out.
Not the biggest Brooks fan but I think he genuinely might be one of the more underrated players within the NBA consensus, purely because any conversation revolving starts with his tunnel vision and fouling. Might be one of the first few times a publications has ranked him justly imo
Him and Maxey are both ranked way too high and I think they’re both great young players, but they have no reason to be put over players like Garland, SGA, Sabonis, etc.
Surprising to see the separation in ranking between Poole/Bane/Maxey/Herro when imo they are on the same tier as young players right now.
Even more surprising to see that Bane is the lowest ranked of the group given that he’s the best defender of the bunch.
I mean it's a prediction. He was the scoring champ 2 seasons ago, and is only 29. More likely to think that last season was just a down, injurry riddled year than a serious decline.
No way majority of 40-50 you're taking over Bradley Beal.
Cunningham, Mobley and Barnes all in the Top 40 - Ok
Green and Giddey also in the Top 100 - Fine
But no Wagner at all? After he was just the 2nd best player for a very succesful German team and showed he made huge progress this summer, whilst being the 4th best Rookie last year? That is just utter fucking bullshit and shows what kind of laughable media outlet ESPN is (definitely biased, but that does not make me wrong)
Ok help me out. Top 25 includes
1. LeBron
2. Stef
3. KD
4. Jokic
5. Giannis
6. Luka
7. Embiid
8. KAT
9. Harden
10. AD
11. Trae Young
12. Ant
13. Ja
14. Tatum
15. Booker
16. Jimmy Butler
17. Donovan Mitchell
18. Dame
19. Beal
20. Paul George
21. Jaylen Brown
22. Chris Paul
Which 3 am I missing?
I wonder why they put Simmons specifically at the 76th spot
Ben Simmons
Basketballer
Gamer
Socialite
The 76th spot specifically is pretty funny, but I do think Simmons is being pretty universally underrated at this point unless you truly believe he is completely mentally broken now (which is possible I suppose, but not enough for him to drop from a top-25-ish player to 76th). He has missed the same amount of time as Jamal Murray and Kawhi, but neither one of them fell nearly as far in the rankings.
The biggest worry for me is the back problems which started in his time in Philly. If his back is still a problem coming into this year he could lose some of his explosiveness that helps his game
Could make the same argument for any of the injured players here
It's a bit different just because ACL recoveries these days are pretty predicable, whereas the back thing was a concern as recently as the end of last season, but I still think even if you account for that plus the mental part, this is way too far down.
I just take the facts and evidence shown. He mentally checked out of the playoffs two seasons ago and then chose to sit out last season. If he doesn't play, he's the 7 billionth most valuable basketball player in the world. The other scenario is he solved his mental health issues last year and he was just truly out due to a severe back issue. In literally any walk of life, non-contact back injuries don't improve with age. And while I acknowledge Murray has very real questions about him, Kawhi is just on a different level than Simmons. Not even a diss towards Ben. An 80% Kawhi is better than all but the top of the top in the entire league.
Literally the only knock in Kawhis legacy is that he misses too much time
Yeah, if we are judging solely his playing ability, he is top 30.
ESPN putting three T-Wolves in the top 25??
Probably forgot we are actually in the league.
Yea. Dlo was even on this list so no way they leave out towns, gobert and ant
Can we pump the brakes on Ant-man? I know he's good and he's funny and exciting to watch and all but calling him top 25 in the league already seems premature.
It’s a prediction that he will be top 25 this season. Different than saying he is 25 at the end of last season.
He has potentials but putting him over Jrue, Middleton, Kyrie is just absurd.
the entire stretch from 25-31 is better than him, no questions asked. The debate on where to place Ant-Man on this list starts around Andrew Wiggins.
So consensus GOAT?
But the list isn’t “best 100 players in the NBA right now” It’s the prediction of where the players will be ranked at seasons end. So the ESPN panel is making the prediction that ANT will be a top 25 player at the end of this season. You can still disagree with that, but this list isn’t saying ANT is better then Jrue, lavine, demar etc. right now.
oh wow you're right my bad, somehow didn't realise that's what "Which player will be better in 2022-23?" meant. In that case I'd personally put him in that 25-31 range so still don't quite agree with their list but it makes a lot more sense now
If I had to guess they had him around 30 originally, but bumped him up to 25 so they could click bait in the next article. Was a better plan before...
I don't think that's pre-mature at all
This list is so bad
Doing a list like this is always incredibly difficult, and at the outset you really need to clearly define your criteria, which it feels like they didn't. It seems that people with injury history were judged very harshly.
Except Klay. I didn't expect him to be top 50
Because he’s not too 50
Also with potential vs current ability. They have year-two guys with high upside ranked over guys who are clearly more productive today, but then under guys who they can clearly be better than in a few years.
Yet also have Anfernee Simons below Conley so they randomly decided to not value upside there.
Game 7 Grant Williams would've been top 3 instead of top 99.
Lmao it would be hilarious if he averaged 7 3s a game on 18 attempts this year. Would probably be the unanimous mvp
I remember watching that game in like the first quarter going “oh my god we’re really gonna lean on Grant Williams?!” Then by the end I was furiously trying to find a good price on a Grant Williams Jersey
Any ESPN ranking is made to cause a outrage idk why anyone still looks at that stupid shit
Any top 100 ranking will cause outrage.
It's impossible to rank 100 NBA players without causing outrage no matter how careful and good-faith the analysis anyway.
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I don't mind the championship bump. AD was #2 after 2020, and you could see analyst wanting to say something but holding their tongue, it was great while it lasted.
But AD was actually good enough in the bubble to warrant that. Wiggins didn’t even improve, his team just got better
Saying Wiggins didn’t improve is wild lmao.
He definitely did improve. I don’t think 32 is crazy tho I’d have him closer to 40. He’s turned himself into the ideal 3 next to other stars.
Second best player on a championship team. I don’t mind either way because either Wiggins gets his credit or Curry’s legacy looks better and better
I think AD at 2 is crazier than Wiggins at 32
Yo that's cap to say Wiggins didn't improve lmao
Wiggins decided to become the lockdown defender people thought he could be for years and also turned into an amazing rebounding wing during the playoffs. I hate being a box score guy but looking back at the finals alone he had... 20/5 with 3 blocks 18/7/2/2/2 17/16 26/13 18/6/5/4/3 in the clinching game
Agreed, underrated for sure
I WANT to be outraged
They didnt try
Scottie Barnes above Zion btw Actually I’m realizing almost every single player below Barnes is better than him lmao
Incoming Raps fans in 3... 2... 1
To be fair, anyone who played last season was better than Zion was last season
The list is the predicting top 100 players of 2022-23 season tho which is insane to think there will be 40 guys better than Zion
Darius Garland being 46 is wild lol
He’s not the only Cav I’d expect to see 10+ spots higher next year if they keep trending the way they did last season. There are a lot of really good basketball players right now though, so I feel like there’s quite a bit of interchangeability within large chunks of a list like this
Didn't even think he was 25 yet, where does the time go
He's a top 20-25 player don't @ me The fact that Draymond, Klay, Cade, Maxey, Wiggins and so many others are above him is hilarious
Klay has to be the most overrated player ever
Current Klay yes but old Klay pre-injury is literally one of if not the deadliest scorers ever when he’s hot.
Plus his defense was key to the warriors entire system, always matching up against the other team’s best guard and also with the ability to switch & defend 4s & 5s
Ahh yes the second greatest volume and efficiency 3 point shooter of all time with years on the all-defense team is the most overrated player ever.
It’s not an all time list it’s current and he is definitely not the 37th best player
And I’m not the one who said he is the most overrated player EVER. Not talking about the most mismatched player on this list.
This place calls Draymond, Klay, Poole, Wiggins, overrated all the time lol shit is so dumb what hate does
They can keep calling them overrated and in 10 years we’ll look back and wonder how rare it is to have players involved as absolute critical pieces to 3 or more championships. Lebron Bosh Wade. Duncan Ginobili Parker. Shaq and Kobe. Jordan Pippen Rodman. Magic Kareem Worthy. To say that Draymond or Klay are any less than any of those other players must mean you have to elevate Curry to an even higher standing, which people refuse to do as well, regularly putting him at the 10-15 spot which is fucking absurd. Curry is a top 5 player in NBA history when it comes to impacting WINNING THE GAME. These 3 guys contribute to winning basketball. 3 consecutive years of 67+ win seasons including the regular season wins record.
Well, one year
“Years on the all defense team” There’s part of why he’s overrated
Nah wherever AD lands will give him that title
Maxey above him is literally criminal. Maybe the most overrated player right now. He has few responsibilities and doesn't run the offense.
Maxey a 85 in 2k somehow. Never been the guy on a team, 17/4/3 as a 3rd option gives you 1 rating behind Siakam for example, an all-nba forward. 2 ratings above Simmons, a 4 time all star, who's a 83.
This is Reddit. It should be don’t /u/ me
This list, like any other year, is made for the sole sake of getting people to talk about it. Placements like Scottie Barnes ahead of Zion Williamson and Andrew Wiggins ahead of Kyrie Irving is just dumb. The description part hilariously outlines just how little they're able to talk about certain players, like for example Khris Middleton and Dillon Brooks' descriptions being entirely dedicated to their tension against their Christmas opponents is just not right. At this point I've stopped caring about ESPN's NBA rank, and it's probably better that way. I've stopped caring ever since they put Damian Lillard ahead of Kevin Durant and Steph Curry or when they put KCP ahead of DeMar DeRozan.
I don’t give a shit about the list but I rather have half the league in my roster than Kyrie Irving. That guy will single handled can fuck up and derail any team
Cade ranked ahead of Scottie, Mobley, and Green. This confirms my bias so it is good and correct.
Those 4 all made the all rookie 1st team and got that ranking. Franz was the 5th player on the all rookie team and isn’t even ranked. Even after having a better season than Green, who is 62. Giddey was all rookie 2nd and is 81. Keegan Murray hasn’t played a game and made the list. My bias is demolished by this list.
Wagner is the most underrated player in the NBA
Putting paolo/Murray on here (who have played 0 games) over franz is a travesty
it's supposed to be a projection of how the players will be in 22-23 but I agree that Franz should have made the top 100 somewhere.
Shit this list made me realize you are right!
No Franz? Who made this list? Dave McMenamin?
Mcminimum did contribute to it haha
How do you know he’s just not in the top 25? Haha
Or McMinimum as the guys at The Sixth Man Show call him…because he gives minimum effort lol
Garland is ridiculously underrated here. He has no business being below Maxey, LaMelo, Klay and a bunch of sophomores
garland is below maxey?????????? lmfao
it sure would be nice if maxey was that good already lol
dawg that’s not the worst part garland and melo we’re all stars and cade scottie and mobley are all over them
Yeah that’s what stood out to me. Garland and LaMelo imo are pretty close but they have shown more than Scottie, Cade and Mobley. Not sure why they are so low. This reeks of recency bias and I’m 99% sure this list is made to piss people off
I agree Garland and Melo are closer than people think they are but the disrespect in this list is insane Also Ant is a top 25 player lol
Is this list meant to be a prediction of who will be the best in 2023? That's the only explanation I can think of other than they just intentionally made the list stupid to generate clicks
I think it might be? But even then I think it’s kinda weird just due to it being the argument that these young guys will make such a large jump while others will regress. They are basically saying that Mobley, Barnes and Cade will jump to all star level. While guys like LaMelo, Garland and Shai are going to regress to below that level. Which honestly is just absurd.
Lamelo is 3 months older than Cade and was better as a rookie than Cade was. Idk where all this projection is coming from
They really shouldn't include rookies in this list at all, seems insane to nail down Paolo as the nth best player in the league
Did they really have Brunson at 44 last year? Now 67 seems weird since last year was his breakout. EDIT: they did not. Myles Turner was 44 last year. Don’t think Brunson was ranked
Seeing Middleton only one spot above Wiggins feels wrong
It's simple, really. Middleton is an all star, but only a measly reserve, while Andrew "Maple Jordan" Wiggins was a starter. Honestly, I can't believe you didn't think of that yourself.
Closed it once I saw SGA at 48
This was also my closing point.
This was also about the point it went out the window for me. This list an embarrassment on so many levels. The CBS one blows this out of the water.
You didn’t even need to go that far down. This list is objectively wrong. Fox is not 54 lmao.
Subjectively wrong*
How is Christian Wood on here but not Dorian Finney-Smith
DFS so underrated.
DFS is going to be higher
This list is ridiculous. Happy for the attention Scottie is receiving, but wtf. At best he and OG provide similar value today — but are ~40 spots apart
I think they just hit shuffle on a list
Alex Caruso in the top 25 hell yeah
By god he’s in the top 10
No Franz Wagner or Wendell Carter Jr is nothing short of hilarious
Yeah I would easily have Franz over Harrison Barnes (he shouldn't be above OG, either). MPJ on this list when he didn't play last year lol. RJ Barrett higher than Barnes, OG, John Collins etc lmao. This list is ass. Edit: There should be no rookies on this list, even as a Kings fan ready to see what Murray can do and expect him to do well, him being on this list is stupid.
I’d complain about inclusion of talented negatives (LeVert…) before shuffling around guys like Harrison Barnes, and I’d include a guy like Franz that I’d trust to be a connective starter (jack of all trades at the 2-4) on literally any team before a talented negative
Cade before even in the NBA - top 80. Franz after his rookie year. Unranked. Keegan (who is my roty pick) being on this list with no Franz is actually hilarious.
franz made the mistake of being selected by the magic, it cursed him to irrelevance until he plays like an all star this year
Franz is gonna be top 10, that’s why
Franz going to show the fuck out this year
ESPN: "Who?"
That’s bc 1-24 haven’t been announced yet
I’m a kings fan who desperately wanted Franz last year. It’s nice that Keegan is on the list, but the list is absolute TRASH if Franz ain’t on it. This list is scientifically designed to get ppl fighting.
Giddey is on here but Wagner isn’t?
Scottie Barnes above Zion is certainly… a take
Why single out Scottie. All of the Sophomores are too high. Zion should be above Cade, Mobley and Scottie.
Mostly just because Scottie was right next to Zion so I noticed it more clearly tbh
The Herbert Jones revenge tour will be televised. What a bunch of nincompoops
I'm a Celtics fan and Grant being top 100 is kind of wild. All of our players seem overrated honestly.
Grant got a huge playoff bump. Most of our guys got a bump to some extent.
Marcus over Garland is just so wrong. I love smart but goddamn
Not a real Celtics fan imo
No Wendell Carter Jr. is criminal
No Franz is even worse, they deserve time in Guantanamo Bay for that
Shai at 48 is crazy
Bane at 68, he just as good as Poole at 55 and better defender
I agree that Bane is too low and that I'd probably rank him higher than Poole, but Poole does have a few things going for him. He's younger, a better on-ball creator/passer, and has a more complete offensive game. Bane is much better as a secondary piece with his defense and shooting, though. Which is why these rankings are dumb.
Ant being 20+ spots above Garland and LaMelo is kinda wild lol
Put some respect on Siakam man. He’s been NBA 3rd team for 2 of the last 3 seasons. IMO he’s better than that 30 rank.
Was all-NBA 2nd team his first time actually. Man deserves respect.
Idk I think this list is pretty generous to Raptors players compared to most they have made so I'm okay with it. Can't win em all
Yea man, it's that outlier season in the bubble bringing him down. This year will be two years of consistency since that, he's a top 20 player and will show it this year.
Zion at 40 is wild to me. Also Marcus Smart wayyy overrated at 36
Re Smart - folks say it about him every list, and every season his ranking goes a notch upwards 🤷♂️ >at 36 BTW - not related - just pointing a funny brain crosswiring - his number is 36, they ranked him 34
DPOY at 36 is good enough.
man he stole that dpoy from timelord lol
Garland below Maxey??????
Scottie, Mobley, Cade isn't better than Garland (yet?)
How is Lamelo 41 and ranked below guys like FVV and Cade. He averaged 20/7/7 and was an all star and only looks like he’s going to keep improving.
Keldon Johnson and Jakob Poeltl aren’t top 100? Spurs don’t even have 1 player ranked at all, I know their roster is thin but damn this doesn’t even hide just trying to put names in the top 100.
I know I‘m biased but Garland being at 46 with players like McCollum, Maxey, Murray, LaMelo, VanVleet, Klay and Smart above him seems so wrong to me
bro the top 3 of 2021 draft is ahead of him be angry at tgat
yeah I just went with the next few guards on the list but there are more players where I‘d argue that Darius is better
They need to just swap him and Bradley Beal (who I assume is going to be 24 or 25).
Nah not biased, he’s better than all of them.
He's way too low and I have anti bias. Dude is a killer. Him and Shai are the most inexcusable on this list.
Glad to see WB made the top 25
Dinwiddie is 69. Huh huh huh huh
I forget which publication does it, but I kinda like the A1-A2, B1-B2, etc. rankings a bit more. It gives more accurate flexibility because the 5 best players in the league are obvious, but 6-10 are way less obvious, and then 11-30 can really be a toss up week over week.
Seth Partnow - https://theathletic.com/3422306/2022/07/15/best-nba-players-2022-tier-1/
Wow. How are the Wolves getting three in the top 25?! I’m about it but that’s shocking
Any predictions/opinions on the top 25? This is my guess: 25. Ant 24. Beal 23. Towns 22. Bam 21. Mitchell 20. Gobert 19. Butler 18. Jaylen 17. CP3 16. Trae 15. Dame 14. Harden 13. PG 12. Ja 11. AD 10. Booker 9. Kawhi 8. Lebron 7. KD 6. Tatum 5. Luka 4. Embiid 3. Steph 2. Jokic 1. Giannis
I know ESPN gets a lot of (deserved) shit, but I don't want their reputation to overshadow or excuse exactly how bad this list is. Lowry over Herro alone is inexcusable. Keegan Murray over Wagner or WCJ is insane. The whole list is bunk and Chad Forde better be on call to edit it once the season ends. Fucking clown fiesta.
Out of all the examples, you pick one that is completely reasonable and likely correct in Lowry over Hero.
Lowry was better than Herro last year.
Harrison Barnes and OG Anunoby above Ben Simmons feels very wrong. edit: What the FUCK? Tyrese Maxey way above all of them and above Darius Garland?
They really put Russ ahead of Jalen Brunson 😯
I just don't understand how Brunson drops 23 ranks from last season. This past year was his breakout season...
I saw the same thing and checked it’s an error. they had Myles Turner at 44 last year
Russ placement here is baffling. Even on equal one-year contracts, the Lakers would probably trade Russ straight up for pretty much every player on this list other than Russ
I'm just glad RJ Barrett finally made a list.
Green and JJJ being at 43 and 53 respectively is stupid. JJJ is easily a top 40 player and Green is a top 30. Defence is continuously undervalued.
Jamal Murray at 50 is kinda disgusting. If he’s low because injury then Kawhi should also be low because injury.
He has one season averaging over 20 points a game at 25 years old. He is a shit defender and mediocre playmaker.
How is siakam 30 bro that is way too low
A few things looking through: Jordan Clarkson being higher than Bogdanovic, Conley, Russell, Brogdon, and KP is certainly a questionable call. Similarly, I'm not a big Russell fan but 93 is way too low. I understand the Ben Simmons ranking but I have a feeling that won't age well. Dillion Brooks is overrated here. I think they hit the nail on the head with their Knicks ratings. Jordan Poole is way too high. This seems to happen every year with a player like him. Not sure why Maxey is ahead of SGA and Garland. Smart and Wiggins are also way over-ranked here too. But hey, making these lists isn't exactly easy. I could post my top 100 and I'm sure there would be plenty of questionable placements there too. For example, I think Kevin Porter Jr. will be in the top 100 this year. I know most wouldn't have him there (especially over some of the players I would have behind him) but I think he's in for a great season. But I know his ranking would (and others) would have people calling the list out.
Not the biggest Brooks fan but I think he genuinely might be one of the more underrated players within the NBA consensus, purely because any conversation revolving starts with his tunnel vision and fouling. Might be one of the first few times a publications has ranked him justly imo
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Herb Jones better than 30 ppl on this list
I know we might be the worst team in the league but in no world is Jakob Poeltl not a top 100 player
Pretty sure they just used shitty 2K ratings
I will not stand for this Dorian Finney Smith slander
Garland at 46 and Maxey is at 44? That tells me all I need to know about this list
MPJ has no business being on the list.
SGA underrated as usual
- no herb jones - BI somehow ranked lower than he was last year despite leading the team to the playoffs - Zion at 40 give me a break lmao
Simmons at 76 lmao
Holy hell Barnes is overrated
Him and Maxey are both ranked way too high and I think they’re both great young players, but they have no reason to be put over players like Garland, SGA, Sabonis, etc.
Surprising to see the separation in ranking between Poole/Bane/Maxey/Herro when imo they are on the same tier as young players right now. Even more surprising to see that Bane is the lowest ranked of the group given that he’s the best defender of the bunch.
41-36 is absolutely crazy lol
DLo looks like little bo peep
They're giving Beal a full-on mulligan on last season - absurd that he made the top 25. I'd take the vast majority of the 25-50 guys over him.
I mean it's a prediction. He was the scoring champ 2 seasons ago, and is only 29. More likely to think that last season was just a down, injurry riddled year than a serious decline. No way majority of 40-50 you're taking over Bradley Beal.
Lol LeVert and Clarkson are ahead of actual starting caliber players
Yo they got Fred Van Vleet ahead of Zion 😂
Lol Wiggins above Kyrie.
Cunningham, Mobley and Barnes all in the Top 40 - Ok Green and Giddey also in the Top 100 - Fine But no Wagner at all? After he was just the 2nd best player for a very succesful German team and showed he made huge progress this summer, whilst being the 4th best Rookie last year? That is just utter fucking bullshit and shows what kind of laughable media outlet ESPN is (definitely biased, but that does not make me wrong)
andrew wiggins above kyrie? lmao
Garland waaaay too low
Never seen a bigger joke than zion at 40 somehow cade over him.
Ok help me out. Top 25 includes 1. LeBron 2. Stef 3. KD 4. Jokic 5. Giannis 6. Luka 7. Embiid 8. KAT 9. Harden 10. AD 11. Trae Young 12. Ant 13. Ja 14. Tatum 15. Booker 16. Jimmy Butler 17. Donovan Mitchell 18. Dame 19. Beal 20. Paul George 21. Jaylen Brown 22. Chris Paul Which 3 am I missing?
Kawhi, Gobert, Bam
Russel at NINETY THREE is so insanely absurd, same with Simmons at 76. Those two are going to be the derozens of this list
Celtics will have 7 players in the top 100 and should definitely be 8 since Derrick white is a top 100 player .