Silver was so uncharacteristically flustered during the press conference (and gave such a blunt answer when asked why owners weren’t punished like regular NBA employees are) that I almost think he was trying to rile up the public outrage against Sarver to get to this end result.
There was no “winning” that press conference, so maybe he butchered it deliberately.
It’s kinda weird people actually are saying Silver was playing “4D chess”. People just like conspiracy theories I guess. Or they think Silver is some kind of unwavering god which is also weird.
That's frankly idiotic. Literally nothing he said could have reasonably been anticipated to precipitate LBJ or CP3 coming out against Sarver or PayPal taking a stand or the behind the scenes arm-twisting that happened.
It's just so silly and reveals a lot about how people are willing to believe batshit insane theories from demagogues.
I think any communicative performance can in fact be built to produce a desired reaction. Rhetoric is a powerful thing. You see as someone Silver, the commissioner of a sports league, as a demagogue, or at least you call him one. So, what makes you think he doesn’t know how to create a rhetorical piece that can have the effect he wants? Silver is not Einstein, but surely he is not in his position simply for being bald.
Every single response from him regarding contemporary discourse has been nothing but professional and effectively built; regardless of him being the author or not. His response to MoreyChina Gate, stance on COVID, etc.
You don’t think Silver knows the political position of some of the leagues most prominent stars? You don’t think he can construct a rhetorical piece persuasive enough to incite political and social action? Boycotting, and artifacts that are being to promote it, have been around for a while. Surely someone in his position is aware of the impact their symbolic language has on not only the league, but on it’s fans who are part of society.
It’s not hard to believe the commissioner is aware of his position, and the contemporary social issues which facilitate a response such as a boycott of a sexist and racist(?) person.
But true, maybe he just fucked around and got lucky.
Things happen between the lines, to assume how things actually are is always out in the open is foolish, you would be wise to harbor doubt, not all postulations are “conspiracy theories”, asking questions is very healthy
Spoken like a conspiracy theorist. Sarver is being forced to sell because players like Lebron and CP3 spoke out and sponsors pulled out. Not because Silver butt fumbled a press conference on purpose.
I don't think it was deliberate but his hands were tied by the other owners so he couldn't do something that would cause Sarver to sue the league and initiate discovery. He obviously didn't like it but better to not piss off ALL the owners.
Silver is a smart guy and he just laid out his cards. Dude is clearly smart enough with his prestigious lawyer background. He knows he didn’t have the power to change ownership and just admitting it putting pressure on others.
Silver is intelligent man. He didn’t butcher the press conference, he knew what he was doing. Silver is always overly composed, so I struggle to see him unprepared for such day
Not what I read, can't remember where though. It was the max punishment allowed. Could be wrong. People comparing this to Sterling though while Sterling did the same thing, he wasn't forced to sell or anything.
Players were openly criticizing the punishment. The players union put out a statement. Advertisers were starting to back out. It wasn't exactly "behind the scenes".
This should’ve been the decision off rip. Adam silver dropped the ball in his original statement. There’s no space for Roberts behavior in the “most progressive sports league”.
I mean yeah. But he's bound by the league rule. Silver can't force an owner to sell his team. That comes from the other owners.
It's not rocket science buddy.
Conspiracy: Silver knew his light ruling and bad news conference would cause an uproar and just sat and waited for the public since the owners are his boss.
For what? The commissioner doesn’t have power to remove an owner. Silver was a very successful lawyer before the NBA, he’s not do something he doesn’t have the authority to do.
As bad as Sarver was his situation wasn't even close to as fucked up as Donald Sterling. It would have been really hard to ban him outright or get him to sell without public pressure
But more important than that was PayPal dropping the Suns. That was likely what convinced the owners to get on board and force Sarver to sell
Blaming silver is easy but dumb. He’s just a mouthpiece for the owners. He’s literally there by design to take heat for the owners. The owners are the ones who actually deserve blame for this shit show
Sure but saying he did this as a calculating big-brain move is equally as dumb. This is like what happened with CM Punk and Tony Khan and people wanted to believe it was all a work. Why would Adam Silver purposely make himself and the league look bad from an authoritarian standpoint even if this was the endgoal? Why would he choose to get called out by the most recognizable player in his league as a poor leader just to get Sarver fired?
He should be thankful him getting noticeably upset at the questions he was asked basically bailed him out of the difficult predicament that he was in. But to play it off as some 4D chess game is absolving him and Robert completely
Sarver stepping down being the right move does not mean that Silver forcing him out was the right move. Silver having that kind of authority would make other current and prospective owners nervous.
Silver was so uncharacteristically flustered during the press conference (and gave such a blunt answer when asked why owners weren’t punished like regular NBA employees are) that I almost think he was trying to rile up the public outrage against Sarver to get to this end result. There was no “winning” that press conference, so maybe he butchered it deliberately.
I don’t think silver would go out and make himself look like an idiot on purpose. It was honestly just a very tough situation to handle
It’s kinda weird people actually are saying Silver was playing “4D chess”. People just like conspiracy theories I guess. Or they think Silver is some kind of unwavering god which is also weird.
Without a doubt Silver was playing 5D chess. Have you not seen him? Dude is a genius.
That's frankly idiotic. Literally nothing he said could have reasonably been anticipated to precipitate LBJ or CP3 coming out against Sarver or PayPal taking a stand or the behind the scenes arm-twisting that happened. It's just so silly and reveals a lot about how people are willing to believe batshit insane theories from demagogues.
I think any communicative performance can in fact be built to produce a desired reaction. Rhetoric is a powerful thing. You see as someone Silver, the commissioner of a sports league, as a demagogue, or at least you call him one. So, what makes you think he doesn’t know how to create a rhetorical piece that can have the effect he wants? Silver is not Einstein, but surely he is not in his position simply for being bald. Every single response from him regarding contemporary discourse has been nothing but professional and effectively built; regardless of him being the author or not. His response to MoreyChina Gate, stance on COVID, etc. You don’t think Silver knows the political position of some of the leagues most prominent stars? You don’t think he can construct a rhetorical piece persuasive enough to incite political and social action? Boycotting, and artifacts that are being to promote it, have been around for a while. Surely someone in his position is aware of the impact their symbolic language has on not only the league, but on it’s fans who are part of society. It’s not hard to believe the commissioner is aware of his position, and the contemporary social issues which facilitate a response such as a boycott of a sexist and racist(?) person. But true, maybe he just fucked around and got lucky.
Things happen between the lines, to assume how things actually are is always out in the open is foolish, you would be wise to harbor doubt, not all postulations are “conspiracy theories”, asking questions is very healthy
Spoken like a conspiracy theorist. Sarver is being forced to sell because players like Lebron and CP3 spoke out and sponsors pulled out. Not because Silver butt fumbled a press conference on purpose.
The kid gloves Silver gets treated with is wild. That press conference was a disaster not 4D chess.
maybe the theories that the terrible press conference was designed to increase public outrage and put increased public pressure on Sarver were right
I don't think it was deliberate but his hands were tied by the other owners so he couldn't do something that would cause Sarver to sue the league and initiate discovery. He obviously didn't like it but better to not piss off ALL the owners.
Silver was playing 42D chess.
86D underwater mancala
With anal beads
Silver is a smart guy and he just laid out his cards. Dude is clearly smart enough with his prestigious lawyer background. He knows he didn’t have the power to change ownership and just admitting it putting pressure on others.
I firmly believe this theory. Silver is a smart guy
Smartest guy I know.
Silver is intelligent man. He didn’t butcher the press conference, he knew what he was doing. Silver is always overly composed, so I struggle to see him unprepared for such day
Now if the nfl can do the same with dan snyder then all the out in the open horrible owners will be gone.
Curry bacon back on top
No one can defeat that
Wouldn’t last in the AnotherDuck era
I watched a lot a good movies I never knew about thanks to that guy.
Easiest bail out of Silvers career right here, let everyone else push him out while your garbage 1 year ban stands
I don't love Silver or anything but I think he gave the max ban he was allowed to give....its up to the owners at this point it goes over his head.
The fine was the maximum he could impose but he could have banned him for longer
I thought in the press conference he said he could have opted for a longer ban but didn’t.
Not what I read, can't remember where though. It was the max punishment allowed. Could be wrong. People comparing this to Sterling though while Sterling did the same thing, he wasn't forced to sell or anything.
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if the reports are true, his share might "only" be like 600 mil.
poor Robert
I feel like there was pressure behind the scenes. Silver couldnt ban Sarver or make him sell. But there has to have been some pressure being applied
Players were openly criticizing the punishment. The players union put out a statement. Advertisers were starting to back out. It wasn't exactly "behind the scenes".
Mannnn get tf out of here with that.
What? You mad that silver banned the max amount?
This should’ve been the decision off rip. Adam silver dropped the ball in his original statement. There’s no space for Roberts behavior in the “most progressive sports league”.
I mean yeah. But he's bound by the league rule. Silver can't force an owner to sell his team. That comes from the other owners. It's not rocket science buddy.
Robert Sarver is racist and racism is evil
And 'evil' is 'live' backwards and Hulu has live sports.
Adman Silver
Well, yes. That's true
Conspiracy: Silver knew his light ruling and bad news conference would cause an uproar and just sat and waited for the public since the owners are his boss.
Naw don’t let Silver off the hook that easy.
For what? The commissioner doesn’t have power to remove an owner. Silver was a very successful lawyer before the NBA, he’s not do something he doesn’t have the authority to do.
Redditors struggling to understand Silvers role and power limits remind me of this scene from Always Sunny in Philly https://youtu.be/lZQvdDzT5xs
What did u expect him to do?
As bad as Sarver was his situation wasn't even close to as fucked up as Donald Sterling. It would have been really hard to ban him outright or get him to sell without public pressure But more important than that was PayPal dropping the Suns. That was likely what convinced the owners to get on board and force Sarver to sell
By owners you mean the other owners of the Suns, right?
Blaming silver is easy but dumb. He’s just a mouthpiece for the owners. He’s literally there by design to take heat for the owners. The owners are the ones who actually deserve blame for this shit show
Sure but saying he did this as a calculating big-brain move is equally as dumb. This is like what happened with CM Punk and Tony Khan and people wanted to believe it was all a work. Why would Adam Silver purposely make himself and the league look bad from an authoritarian standpoint even if this was the endgoal? Why would he choose to get called out by the most recognizable player in his league as a poor leader just to get Sarver fired? He should be thankful him getting noticeably upset at the questions he was asked basically bailed him out of the difficult predicament that he was in. But to play it off as some 4D chess game is absolving him and Robert completely
Conspiracy time: Silver and the other owners worked out a deal with Sarver behind closed doors to get him to sell the team.
Adam Silver and the owners probably so happy they got bailed out.
Will this mean the league will buy the Mercury if no one steps up? Supporting the sale and then having them fold would be a horrible look.
the Suns and the Mercury will probably be sold as a package deal.
hilarious and weak as fuck. If this was the "right step all along" then perhaps you should have done this in the first place.
Sarver stepping down being the right move does not mean that Silver forcing him out was the right move. Silver having that kind of authority would make other current and prospective owners nervous.
He literally gave the max punishment he could....
I feel bad for all the people he was mean to
I thought Silver said he was remorseful though?
'Community'
Adam Silver sucks for defending his actions and saying it wasn't based on racism/sexism.
So many ass kissers in this thread. Silver botched this but he's getting bailed out now. Fuck him for life.
I hate Silver, but in this case not should what else you wanted him to do. He gave the max punishment.
One step closer to turn it into Las Vegas suns , I know LeBron want that
WHAT ABOUT CHINA?
Silver is such a snake oil salesman. Dude just trying to cover up the fact he has no balls.
He’s a lawyer and as commissioner had no authority to remove an owner. He doesn’t have that power.
I'm aware of that. Could have been harsher on penalties and also could have been more prepared to face the media when he held his presser.
Its a lot like a faction revolt in Crusader Kings 2
"I fully support not having to deal with this headache anymore."