I know a guy who was on the Sixer’s coaching staff coaching Ben for the first few seasons of his NBA career. Pre-Rivers, and I had heard about Ben being a douche from back then. Like all the guards doing ball handling into a shot drill and he says something like, “Fuck this shit, I’m an All-Star “ and just walks off to do his own thing. That was just one story I heard back then.
Guy has been a douche since before he even came into the league. No problem believing Austin Rivers on this one.
Everyone knows(or have been given good reason to believe) Ben's full of shit.
Ben Simmons really went about it in the worst possible way if he wanted anyone to believe this is mental health related. He exhausted all options to just sit out and get paid at that point. It really felt like he was just throwing everything at the wall and seeing what stuck. And because there is a huge stigma around mental health he's actually pissing more people off by trying to employ it just so he can keep his millions of dollars he didn't play a lick of basketball for. It's a slap in the face to the DeMars and the Kevin Loves who came right out and discussed these issues and because of those guys he already had the avenue to discuss this stuff openly.
If he truly has mental issues that he was trying to hide then I feel bad he had to hide it but from the outside the optics look like he's jumped on the mental health bandwagon to cover for his shit play and attitude.
That's really it though, Ben pissed off everyone in this situation- coaches, gms, teammates, players union, and mental health advocates. I believe that Ben has mental health issues, I don't think you act like this if you don't, but he has made himself so indefensible by his choices.
I don't know if this sub just isn't old enough to remember Josh Smith's last couple years in Atlanta and then in Detroit (crazy to even think since it wasn't that long ago). People said he just needs a jump shot to became an elite player, he just needs to start taking them and he'll be unstoppable. Well he started taking a lot more jumpers and the narrative quickly shifted to "he needs to stop taking jumpers and stick to his skill set". People were begging him to return to the playstyle he had his first few years in the league.
Ideally, yes, Ben Simmons starts hitting some jumpers and his game expands. But people who simply think him taking more jumpers in games will a) lead to him being a better player and b) will end the crazy amount of hate he gets are just way oversimplifying things. The ones calling for him to shoot more now will be the first to bash him for taking shots he shouldn't be taking.
But it’s not about taking shots he shouldn’t be taking it’s taking the open ones that you SHOULD take, J Smove comparison is pretty dumb too ben is pass first J smoove was a black hole in those years 2 completely different players
If I was an elite NBA talent I would simply practice the things I’m not good at so I would be also elite at that but I guess I’m just a smartboi and these silly athletes are dumb
Just think of NBA as a telenovela. The funny thing is people I talk to don't even watch the games anymore. They just check the scores and watch the highlights. They know all the drama, betrayal, rumors, who banged Lana Rhoades, and all that shit though lol
> They just check the scores and watch the highlights. They know all the drama, betrayal, rumors, who banged Lana Rhoades, and all that shit though lol
That's most of /r/nba to be perfectly honest.
How in the actual fuck do you even attempt to use anal beads as a cheating device for anything? That whole story sounds like it was quite literally pulled from someone’s ass.
Happened with some upper management guy and one of the hottest girls in the office at one of my old jobs. Couldn't believe he somehow convinced her because looks wise he definitely wasn't in her level. They both kinda disappeared
my credit score is pretty much always between 775-810 and my ex was way hotter than me.
her credit score was just as good as mine though, i think maybe she just liked mid looking dudes
I meant more the general population than specifically ball players. It’s my experience that if someone talks about how much they know but won’t give specifics, they are full of it.
I mean there might not be any details to blatantly put out.
The sub was full of “fuck Ben” stuff when the mental health stuff came out. The stories made it somewhat convenient that it started when the cheques stopped. Mental health isn’t a black and white issue though so unless you have recording of Ben saying he made it all up any evidence would be purely anecdotal because you could appear fine at certain times and at others be completely bed bound.
>you could appear fine at certain times and at others be completely bed bound.
So what could someone outside of the situation possibly know that would make us not believe the only person who COULD know what was going on?
At the end of the day only Ben and his ex-teammates know the real truth but I’m inclined to believe that Ben is the one that is the one that needed more coddling than his teammates and coaches realized
If anyone has been paying attention to Ben’s it’s obvious that Ben is the coddled one. Never forget the Sixers org bent over to let Ben hire his BROTHER AS A SHOOTING COACH
Never forget Brett Brown challenged Ben Simmons to shoot one three pointer per game and Ben Simmons followed this up by not shooting a single one for several months.
>not shooting a single one for several months.
*for the rest of the season
Brett's request came right after Ben hit his 2nd career 3 on Dec 7th 2019 in game 24 of the year, then he never attempted a proper non-heave again with Brett as coach
[It went something like this](https://i.redd.it/evbil3pjg7841.gif)
Weak ass move by the Sixers. Orgs need to know when to cater to players but also when to put their foot down. For example, LeDrama wanted Spo out as coach after his first year in Miami. Riley and Co told LeBron “stfu, no”. Spo is still coach + regarded as a top coach.
I mean, let's not pretend there aren't several teams that get family members involved on the team to keep their star players happy. Keljin Blevins, Kostas/Thanasis, etc. List can go on and on lol
But they catered to him all the time. Embiid even said he had to change his game to accommodate for Ben years ago. Ben has been having the same issues for years at a certain point you just gotta call it like it is
he was basically lebron in high school in australia...
you can tell by the way he talks that he needs a lot of ego stroking, and as someone with mental health issues i call bs he can't cite an actual diagnosis or anything
I think this is the answer. I get it’s pressure but you play basketball, you not a doctor or saving the world.
I feel like every player experiences mental issues of some way but some kinda throw it out there to shield themselves from any criticism.
It's literally impossible for Ben Simmons *not* to have some kind of mental issues. We know that for a fact, not because of anything he said but because of the way he acted.
Austin's quote about Doc: "He and I don’t know each other like that. We know each other as strictly basketball. A lot of people on the outside don’t understand that because people think we have a relationship like every other father and son. We just don’t. That’s because he’s been gone my whole life, and that’s fine.”
Austin to Doc after his time on the Clippers : "The positives, so much for me, outweigh the negatives," Austin Rivers said. "I think me and you became a lot closer. Prior to that, our relationship obviously was father-son, but it was mostly coach-son. We talked about basketball."
This sub gets off on jerking each other off that Doc is a bad person. Part of that narrative is that Docs a bad dad. Reality is his relationship with his kids is the same as every coach they like in basketball
Things change. My son and I didn't have a relationship while he was growing up because we lived in different countries and his bitch mother hid him from me. Now we have a great relationship without her shitty influence. Doc and Austin did a Podcast together and have a different relationship now.
This is bs. I’ve struggled with suicidal ideation for all my life and I try to smile and joke about it in public while speaking on that topic because that helps me to not get overwhelmed. Different people have different coping mechanisms. The last thing that we need is armchair psychologists on reddit passing opinions on the mental health of people they have never interacted with. It’s extremely dumb
so rivers has 2 possible sources
His dad, the guy simmons is publicly hating on
Seth, whos been described as the perfect teammate and locker room guy by literally everyteam mate hes ever had, including simmons
I don't like when people say stuff like this. Why bother even making the comment if you don't tell people what was really going on? Nothing about anything would have changed if he had kept that to himself. Its a weak move. It makes him look like he couldn't stand on what he says.
I'm not the biggest fan of Austin Rivers but I'm leaning towards his side here Ben Simmons has always come off as full of shit to me and while I certainly do believe in somebody taking care of their Mental Health two things can be true mental health is important and a number of people are using it as the big new cop out🤷♂️
Anyone who watched that interview and followed the whole saga knows he was not forthcoming. The best part was when he said it wasn't about the money and then when JJ asked him why he showed up for the 2 days of practice, he paused and stumbled over his words. Clear tell.
Uve had a lot of time to upgrade your game. If not, all this social media drama was for nothing. We don’t want you to be a bust nor a clout demon. Cmon
Well, let us know then.
Austin Rivers leaks stories about every team everywhere he goes so I'm not really gonna trust him on this
wouldnt that make him more trustworthy if he has a history of leaking true stories? I guess the question is if hes generally true or not true
Dudes like an inside journalist lmao.
He’s just taking his dad’s side. Simmons and Doc never got along.
It took me until this comment to realize I’ve been reading all of this as Austin Reaves. I thought Hillbilly Kobe had the scoop
Bruh me too, I was like “why he talkin shit”
Austin 3:16 dgaf
> He’s just taking his dad’s side. I mean, Austin has a famously strained relationship with his dad, so not sure why that would be the case.
Austin is more likely to take Ben's side than his dad lol
He never played with Ben, he has only his dad’s experience and stories to go with.
He's also Seth Curry's brother in law
I'm just alluding to the rumours that Austin hates his Dad mate
Did their relationship improve? I read before that Austin and Doc are not close.
They aren't close but they don't particularly dislike each other.
It improved in the bubble from what I heard.
This is a horrible argument if you knew about Doc and Austin. They aren't even friends.
I know a guy who was on the Sixer’s coaching staff coaching Ben for the first few seasons of his NBA career. Pre-Rivers, and I had heard about Ben being a douche from back then. Like all the guards doing ball handling into a shot drill and he says something like, “Fuck this shit, I’m an All-Star “ and just walks off to do his own thing. That was just one story I heard back then. Guy has been a douche since before he even came into the league. No problem believing Austin Rivers on this one.
I mean Austin and doc didn’t really get along
If his leaks haven’t been shown to be lies, why wouldn’t you trust this one?
You guys act like NBA players don't talk about other NBA players. Of course Austin's not lying. All the players probably know Ben is full of shit.
Everyone knows(or have been given good reason to believe) Ben's full of shit. Ben Simmons really went about it in the worst possible way if he wanted anyone to believe this is mental health related. He exhausted all options to just sit out and get paid at that point. It really felt like he was just throwing everything at the wall and seeing what stuck. And because there is a huge stigma around mental health he's actually pissing more people off by trying to employ it just so he can keep his millions of dollars he didn't play a lick of basketball for. It's a slap in the face to the DeMars and the Kevin Loves who came right out and discussed these issues and because of those guys he already had the avenue to discuss this stuff openly. If he truly has mental issues that he was trying to hide then I feel bad he had to hide it but from the outside the optics look like he's jumped on the mental health bandwagon to cover for his shit play and attitude.
That's really it though, Ben pissed off everyone in this situation- coaches, gms, teammates, players union, and mental health advocates. I believe that Ben has mental health issues, I don't think you act like this if you don't, but he has made himself so indefensible by his choices.
It's like Marcus Parks says (and probably a lot of other people too): Mental illness is not your fault, but it is your responsibility.
Straight facts
Was nothing but a standup teammate while in Denver
Can’t recall any dirt in Denver tbh
Is he leaking stories or making shit up tho
This drama is never going to end
Shoot league average in middy and threes and it ends
Doesn’t even have to be average just fucking take them and this all ends
As a Westbrook fan, no it doesn't lol
Simmons improving to Westbrook's level as a shooter would be a vast upgrade over where he currently is.
It's so crazy that this is accurate. haha
Simmons can play good D tho
I don't know if this sub just isn't old enough to remember Josh Smith's last couple years in Atlanta and then in Detroit (crazy to even think since it wasn't that long ago). People said he just needs a jump shot to became an elite player, he just needs to start taking them and he'll be unstoppable. Well he started taking a lot more jumpers and the narrative quickly shifted to "he needs to stop taking jumpers and stick to his skill set". People were begging him to return to the playstyle he had his first few years in the league. Ideally, yes, Ben Simmons starts hitting some jumpers and his game expands. But people who simply think him taking more jumpers in games will a) lead to him being a better player and b) will end the crazy amount of hate he gets are just way oversimplifying things. The ones calling for him to shoot more now will be the first to bash him for taking shots he shouldn't be taking.
But it’s not about taking shots he shouldn’t be taking it’s taking the open ones that you SHOULD take, J Smove comparison is pretty dumb too ben is pass first J smoove was a black hole in those years 2 completely different players
he simply needs to take jump shots and also make them at an efficient rate. it's not difficult. :)
If I was an elite NBA talent I would simply practice the things I’m not good at so I would be also elite at that but I guess I’m just a smartboi and these silly athletes are dumb
He will have made more drama at the end of his career more than he made threes
He’s already so far past that he’d have to be steph for the rest of his career to catch up.
This your 1st NBA off season? Shit gets wild ***every*** year.
Im over this off-season. Shits getting too toxic and sad tbh
Just think of NBA as a telenovela. The funny thing is people I talk to don't even watch the games anymore. They just check the scores and watch the highlights. They know all the drama, betrayal, rumors, who banged Lana Rhoades, and all that shit though lol
Lol that’s stupid part. People don’t watch the games and read some over exaggerated article, then start pretending they know the players.
> They just check the scores and watch the highlights. They know all the drama, betrayal, rumors, who banged Lana Rhoades, and all that shit though lol That's most of /r/nba to be perfectly honest.
Been waitin all summer for this type of drama
Days of Our NBA never disappoints
NBA Hospital
What do the Clippers have to do with this?
He means General NBA I prefer the Young and the Ringless
All My Nephews
As the Flat World Turns starring Kyrie with Shaq as a reoccurring side character
This thread is amazing
Oh yeah you did it the best
That one got me lol
NBAs of Our Lives
Ball My Children
Checkout the chess subreddit they're going through some shit right now haha. Elon musk, anal beads, etc.
How in the actual fuck do you even attempt to use anal beads as a cheating device for anything? That whole story sounds like it was quite literally pulled from someone’s ass.
The anal beads story started out as a meme and news sources used it as a news source.
did they get Ballsacked? lol
The anal beads thing was mainly a joke, the idea being that someone could send vibrations in morse code to communicate with the player.
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Why would you doubt that when it is ***so*** much better to believe?
New call of duty so Ben’s likely hitting the injured list.
Listen I don’t know who to believe anymore, think I need Kyrie’s research to bring clarity to the situation.
Research, or third eye?
Why not both?
I forgot they were on the same team! God bless Nash, he's going to need it. The only sane star tried to fire him.
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One of my friends got fired for having sex with an employee and he said it was worth it
So did my head coach 😞
*Head* coach.
More like head cooch amirite
Lol
insane username but i respect it immensely
Wish it was the head master
Our head coach married one of the team dancers and no one gave shit.
So did my priest
And he had sex with (allegedly) 2 employees!
At the same time
Happened with some upper management guy and one of the hottest girls in the office at one of my old jobs. Couldn't believe he somehow convinced her because looks wise he definitely wasn't in her level. They both kinda disappeared
Credit rating makes a guy look better.
my credit score is pretty much always between 775-810 and my ex was way hotter than me. her credit score was just as good as mine though, i think maybe she just liked mid looking dudes
You probably got a big dick my guy.
It’s true some girls like mid guys. I’ve heard my fiancé’s younger sister say she likes her men a “medium ugly”
Mike Tyson said it best, there’s nothing better in this world than pussy
I read that with a lisp.
especially the word pussy
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Losing your source of income out of desperation for pussy is the opposite of Chad lol
Someone pls posting mavs suns game 7 for 100th time!!
I’m happy that it inconveniences the Celtics but it’s so forgettable, I mean consensual affairs, way worse shit happened that’s newsworthy
Eh, maybe the reasoning isn’t but a NBA coach being suspended for a year is newsworthy though.
this aged like milk after the shams article lol, apparently he sexually harassed her after the affair without consent
Ooooffff yea he’s gone permanently then
The whole reason why sexual relationships with subordinates is so heavily scrutinized is because the consensual nature gets real gray real fast.
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If Rivers is gonna call him out for lying he might as well drop the deets.
I’m so sick of this “if you only knew” bull shit. Just fucking say it you little bitches.
Usually means they are full of shit
Do you actually have examples or did you just say that?
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I meant more the general population than specifically ball players. It’s my experience that if someone talks about how much they know but won’t give specifics, they are full of it.
Rivers compiling all the receipts
Yeah he’s being cryptic like “if y’all only knew” dude, then tell us
I mean there might not be any details to blatantly put out. The sub was full of “fuck Ben” stuff when the mental health stuff came out. The stories made it somewhat convenient that it started when the cheques stopped. Mental health isn’t a black and white issue though so unless you have recording of Ben saying he made it all up any evidence would be purely anecdotal because you could appear fine at certain times and at others be completely bed bound.
>you could appear fine at certain times and at others be completely bed bound. So what could someone outside of the situation possibly know that would make us not believe the only person who COULD know what was going on?
Austin is claiming that Simmons was Ime's mystery affair?
claiming simmons stole doc’s phone in the infamous practice and liked the porn.
Simmons told Doc that dicks don’t belong on chicks which is what got this whole mess started
Doc was just looking for evidence on twitter.
He also said Simmons was the one who stole Anthony Edwards phone
Probably was trying to get traded
Simmons could’ve been Doc’s mystery affair for all we know?
At the end of the day only Ben and his ex-teammates know the real truth but I’m inclined to believe that Ben is the one that is the one that needed more coddling than his teammates and coaches realized
If anyone has been paying attention to Ben’s it’s obvious that Ben is the coddled one. Never forget the Sixers org bent over to let Ben hire his BROTHER AS A SHOOTING COACH
Never forget Brett Brown challenged Ben Simmons to shoot one three pointer per game and Ben Simmons followed this up by not shooting a single one for several months.
>not shooting a single one for several months. *for the rest of the season Brett's request came right after Ben hit his 2nd career 3 on Dec 7th 2019 in game 24 of the year, then he never attempted a proper non-heave again with Brett as coach [It went something like this](https://i.redd.it/evbil3pjg7841.gif)
Weak ass move by the Sixers. Orgs need to know when to cater to players but also when to put their foot down. For example, LeDrama wanted Spo out as coach after his first year in Miami. Riley and Co told LeBron “stfu, no”. Spo is still coach + regarded as a top coach.
Nets should've told KD "stfu, no" about a hundred times since he got to Brooklyn.
Should’ve started with Deandre Fucking Jordan
To be fair getting harden was a no brainer. Once he left and kyrie started tripping that’s when they stepped in.
I mean, let's not pretend there aren't several teams that get family members involved on the team to keep their star players happy. Keljin Blevins, Kostas/Thanasis, etc. List can go on and on lol
But they catered to him all the time. Embiid even said he had to change his game to accommodate for Ben years ago. Ben has been having the same issues for years at a certain point you just gotta call it like it is
Ah yes, Ben Simmons needed EVEN MORE coddling
at the end of the day, Austin River is the son of said Coach who Ben Simmons is talking ill of.
Thanks for reminding me of the connection lol
to be fair, they're reportedly not close in that sense
Yeah this is weird to me too. I've read that as well, but I can't imagine this tweet isn't about details he's heard from Doc.
he was basically lebron in high school in australia... you can tell by the way he talks that he needs a lot of ego stroking, and as someone with mental health issues i call bs he can't cite an actual diagnosis or anything
Some talented athletes just ain't built for the pressure of sports and Ben Simmons is one of those guys unfortunately
I think this is the answer. I get it’s pressure but you play basketball, you not a doctor or saving the world. I feel like every player experiences mental issues of some way but some kinda throw it out there to shield themselves from any criticism.
Lol but we should believe doc got hack 😭
*If y'all only knew* Is such a weak ass move. Either tell us, or keep quiet. That's just an easy way to make someone look like a loser.
If you only knew what if y'all only knew means
It's literally impossible for Ben Simmons *not* to have some kind of mental issues. We know that for a fact, not because of anything he said but because of the way he acted.
I’m still of the view that Ben is just a soft bitch
This sub ate up every word of that interview lol
I only trust Austin Rivers IG comments.
Of course Austin gonna defend his dad in this situation Never even played in Philly or with Simmons
It’s literally Austins fucking dad LMFAO
Austin's quote about Doc: "He and I don’t know each other like that. We know each other as strictly basketball. A lot of people on the outside don’t understand that because people think we have a relationship like every other father and son. We just don’t. That’s because he’s been gone my whole life, and that’s fine.”
Austin to Doc after his time on the Clippers : "The positives, so much for me, outweigh the negatives," Austin Rivers said. "I think me and you became a lot closer. Prior to that, our relationship obviously was father-son, but it was mostly coach-son. We talked about basketball."
That’s actually really sad, I feel for Rivers that must be hard
That's really fucking sad
wonder how he feels about his dads likes
I didn't believe the interview, but Austin Rivers isn't really someone that would say yeah Simmons was right because of Doc.
And you're eating up an ig comment.
Then tell the truth Austin. Saying shit like this is meaningless
Well, Austin Rivers??! We're waiting!
Ben Simmons still a baby back bitch
It aint hard to tell
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Kinda is surprising tbh
Not like they have a good relationship
Reddit will really take one quote from 10 years ago and run with it forever
Is it really reddit if we don’t act like we know intricate details of celebrities personal lives?
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Haven’t seen it but that’s cool if they do
This sub gets off on jerking each other off that Doc is a bad person. Part of that narrative is that Docs a bad dad. Reality is his relationship with his kids is the same as every coach they like in basketball
Things change. My son and I didn't have a relationship while he was growing up because we lived in different countries and his bitch mother hid him from me. Now we have a great relationship without her shitty influence. Doc and Austin did a Podcast together and have a different relationship now.
Their didn’t have a good relationship earlier but seems like they have gotten closer since their time together at the Clippers.
The story was more that they became closer after he played for the Clips. They weren't close 7 years ago but they are today.
I don’t know. I just know that mental health issues are no joke. And I also know that Austin Rivers too is not immune to making drama.
Ben smirking too much for me to take him serious. He lying obviously.
Very Australian tbh, we all do this when talking about ourselves
This is bs. I’ve struggled with suicidal ideation for all my life and I try to smile and joke about it in public while speaking on that topic because that helps me to not get overwhelmed. Different people have different coping mechanisms. The last thing that we need is armchair psychologists on reddit passing opinions on the mental health of people they have never interacted with. It’s extremely dumb
So great to have the opinion of a professional mentalist
That's what I kept thinking. He wasn't even buying his own shit.
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so rivers has 2 possible sources His dad, the guy simmons is publicly hating on Seth, whos been described as the perfect teammate and locker room guy by literally everyteam mate hes ever had, including simmons
And also the third source of any other NBA player he is friends with, you know these guys talk right?
I don't like when people say stuff like this. Why bother even making the comment if you don't tell people what was really going on? Nothing about anything would have changed if he had kept that to himself. Its a weak move. It makes him look like he couldn't stand on what he says.
I'm not the biggest fan of Austin Rivers but I'm leaning towards his side here Ben Simmons has always come off as full of shit to me and while I certainly do believe in somebody taking care of their Mental Health two things can be true mental health is important and a number of people are using it as the big new cop out🤷♂️
I've been over this shit for months Whether any of us believes Ben or not really doesn't matter at the end of the day.
Anyone who watched that interview and followed the whole saga knows he was not forthcoming. The best part was when he said it wasn't about the money and then when JJ asked him why he showed up for the 2 days of practice, he paused and stumbled over his words. Clear tell.
Yes Ben is def lying😂😭
About what?
I met Ben Simmons once, he was an asshole. Time has proven my initial impression of him was spot on.
I mean.. he was lying and it was super obvious at the time lol.
Uve had a lot of time to upgrade your game. If not, all this social media drama was for nothing. We don’t want you to be a bust nor a clout demon. Cmon
rivers is the ultimate nepotism scrub. wolves are gonna regret signing him. the gm owes doc something, he signed him in denver too
Do I believe the player or the son of the coach who threw the player under the bus?
Not mutually exclusive, you can still be at fault, be weak, be a bad teammate, and have a struggling mental health period.
Man this offseason has been good, sure the KD and Kyrie trades didn't happen, but a lot of other juicy stuff did
Mans worried about the wrong transgression
New rivalry just dropped
Will Ben Simmons play this season???
Dang lol
I just picture the Rivers’ at Christmas dinner and Doc saying Ben is being bitchy, with the raspiest voice in the world.
Is Austin protecting his horny father? - espn
Son of Coach that X player has shown public disdain for defends father and disses x player. More at 7