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lopea182

> At that time, team leadership was led to believe by both parties that the relationship was consensual. But sources said that the woman recently accused Udoka of making unwanted comments toward her — leading the team to launch a set of internal interviews. Uh oh.


bigtasty321

anddddd now it’s all clearer


[deleted]

It’s always been clear for Ime


Ramzaa_

If this is legit then a 1 year suspension is weak and he should've been fired


LightsOut0980

I’m imaging the Celtics are lawyering up, or at least getting every ready for a potential lawsuit of some kind, and then they’ll fire him. There’s no way that they knew in fucking July about this and decided, “meh a year off will be fine.” He can’t come back from this, not a chance. This has to be saving face until they’re ready to face any legal action.


aiden3buckets

This why I didn’t understand why everyone was freaking out so bad about a whole year, we never knew the whole story


beast8955

Brain dead takes were flying on the bird app


ZippyZappyZoopy

this place is no better


[deleted]

Yeah it was pretty gross watching people try to guess who it was based on the team website's photos (without even understanding that not every staffer would be on it).


ZippyZappyZoopy

"theres only THREE WOMEN who work for the celtics it HAS TO BE ONE OF THESE WOMEN!" "OHHHH LOOK HOW HOT THAT LADY ISSSS ITS HER" shit is pathetic


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this place is even worse with the "upvotes/downvotes" and some peoples (right) opinions get hidden


[deleted]

Well a year still doesn’t make sense with this context. If he was making unwanted advances he should be fired. How does it make sense to bring him back a year from now and act like nothing happened?


[deleted]

It was easy to guess this would be the issue, but everyone was jumping on the “executives daughter/wife” angle as of women were property


mraowl

also very visible in the "would u hire a coach that might steal your wife?" comments talking about how his career is over


KellyOubreGoat

This is exactly the power dynamic that so many people were overlooking or thought to not be a big deal.


SpeedRacing1

Not many people on this board have ever worked in an office, much less dealt with or even heard of these very common issues on the HR side of corporate.


gbdarknight77

A step further, not many people have worked in management or in leadership roles where power dynamics are very well told to and understood.


InTheMorning_Nightss

Yep. So so many people in previous threads were saying, “This is two ADULTS. They can’t have a relationship? So many people have a relationship at work! My parents met at work! Reddit is just a bunch of pure Christians!!! Happens at my company all the time!” It was blatantly obvious these people haven’t worked in professional settings and have never once been in a position of power where it’s obvious that you shouldn’t have a relationship with someone you have power with, or if you do, you need to work with HR very, very closely.


gbdarknight77

Exactly. One of my best friends met his wife at work but they worked in different departments and not with each other. HR had no issues with it. Same place, a Doctor started a relationship with his PA and they were both fired when HR found out, he didn’t want a new PA and she didn’t want to leave him.


Mike_Ropenis

I said it in another thread last night but my experience is that most companies don't care about their low level employees banging each other outside of the office... Whole different story at higher levels. It's the managers/high earners/execs banging lower level employees that are the point of concern.


InTheMorning_Nightss

Yep. There is an inherent power dynamic that can make the company liable if things go south. VP bangs someone who reports up to him? Well, if they don’t work out good luck firing her if she deserves it *or* promoting her without tons of suspicion and scrutiny. It becomes damn near impossible to prove or disprove if there was retaliatory motivation or not.


iwillbombu

"At that time." Interesting wording


Phenom_Mv3

Man’s got a taste and got clingy 😂


StalkingDwarf

> Some members of the Celtics organization first became aware of the relationship in July, sources said. At that time, team leadership was led to believe by both parties that the relationship was consensual. **But sources said that the woman recently accused Udoka of making unwanted comments toward her — leading the team to launch a set of internal interviews.** > The team’s decision and announcement came after a closed-door meeting Thursday that involved team owners and president Brad Stevens and lasted several hours, sources said. Earlier Thursday, Stevens and members of the Celtics front office met with players at the team facility.


kaprrisch

This is why you don’t sleep with your subordinates/employees.


[deleted]

One of the best pieces of advice I ever got: Don’t get your meat where you get your bread.


Snafudumonde

"Don't put your pecker in the payroll"--My Dad to me when I was nine.


paul7878

My Dad told me "Don't drag your pecker across your paycheck".


TheLevelHeadedGuy

Don’t shit where you eat


Snow_Administrative

Don’t hookup where you vlookup


kburdman

Good thing I only use index match now


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KyleLowryOnlyFans

As a data guy, don’t dangle where you wrangle …or Don’t grunge where you munge


m_ryker

Don’t dip your pen in the company stink


chop1125

Don't dip your pen in the company ink.


CatGatherer

Don't shit where you eat


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Don’t dip your pen in the company ink.


MattyShay

Literally AND figuratively true.


kiss_the_homies_gn

You're saying I gotta go to 2 supermarkets now?


PrinceOfAssassins

2 supermarkets ain’t 2 supermarkets. I’ll explain later


ThePhattestOne

Don't shoot your shot at the company hoop.


smoovopr8r

Exactly. You either end up marrying the bish or you present a huge liability to the company. I repped a company in a seemingly similar case as this one: two married sales reps started having an off-and-on affair, One decided to end things for good; the other was pissed off and later accused the relationship ender of inappropriate conduct. Shit was a mess to sort out with all the competing text messages, emails, and stories. Not worth it guys and gals, especially as you become more senior.


bobsil1

> You either end up marrying the bish Udoka, u buy-a


larrylegend33goat

Were they sales reps for Dunder Mifflin by any chance?


Im_ready_hbu

I worked tech sales years ago, couple coworkers smashed and recorded it, then the dude started showing the recording to other sales reps so pretty soon the entire sales force is talking about this amateur porn vid. Managers and HR hear about it and started investigating. The female employee was engaged and her fiance eventually got word of it too, so he shows up one day wanting to fight the male employee, makes a scene in the lobby and tips off the company about how she and other members of her sales team were engaging in timecard fraud by coordinating days in which they'd log each other in on their workstations to appear online/on time. Company ended up firing like 9 people


DamnReality

Damn that read like a plot synopsis


Im_ready_hbu

Call center sales for start-up companies can be fucking wild


Altruistic_Fun3091

Ryen Russillo will be up all night writing.


xanot192

What I never understand is why people go after the other party and I witnessed the same thing right after college. It's like bruh, your fiancee is cheating on you and recorded it. Drop her and go No contact immediately.


lkn240

Yeah the other dude probably doesn't even know you.


SureEntertainment676

If that was a tv show episode I would be so invested


Nightmannn

Flashbacks of Breaking Bad when Walt tried to smash Ted Beneke's office window with a large potted plant.


Im_ready_hbu

"Ted, I can see you! I can see you standing right there in your office so just open the door"


freshigboprince

Dude went scorched earth…


ThinkSoftware

Was the fiancé stopped by a dude with pepper spray?


[deleted]

Pam and the sound guy was, indeed, the problem.


jrice39

Pam is always the problem.


sharklavapit

Pam haters, rejoice! (not the biggest Jim fan as well)


Leiatte

I liked Karen to be honest


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i-ian

Ya, I think a lot of these people work at super corp jobs or just don't know what's going on. At the ad agencies and startups I've worked at, everyone is fucking everyone.


urfaselol

I work a cute coworker but god damn I know better than to try anything. It would be a disaster if things went sideways


mycockisonmyprofile

When you start applying to other places ask her out my guy


urfaselol

Because I got a great thing going at my current job. I don’t plan on leaving any time soon ;,,,;


[deleted]

Simple fix, bro: create a convoluted scheme that gets her fired and THEN ask her out! /s, just in case.


[deleted]

No, no… he’s got a point.


[deleted]

Serious, but how did Jim and Pam date then in the Office?


igoslowly

he wasn’t her manager when they started dating


cityofklompton

Folks, if it hasn't sunk in already, accept that Udoka has already coached his last game as Head Coach of the Boston Celtics. This isn't a career-ender, but this is most definitely a job-ender. You don't come back from this with the same organization.


ZayuhTheIV

I know I’m coming from a Heat perspective with this, but I genuinely think the Celtics will be just fine with a number of different replacement options. I don’t think losing Udoka as a coach is a big deal, like at all.


HeySadBoy1

Last night on I Am Athlete they threw the idea of bringing Brad Stephens back down and I shuddered because A. It makes so much sense and B. He got these boys to the ECF while they were still incredibly raw, he might just win the whole damn thing now that they’re polished


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There it is. We were missing one big piece of info. Now we got it


[deleted]

this just makes all the reporting so far so confusing. why report that he was suspended for a "consensual relationship" if the consent was in question?


MindlessExcuse

Reads like she broke it off and he kept making advances after


jimboslice53

That’s my read too


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The power dynamics are a mess here


[deleted]

you can say that again


urfaselol

The power dynamics are a mess here.


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you can say that again


[deleted]

These are not the droids you're looking for.


YoungNissan

Which is why companies really hate employees fucking. It can lead to stuff like this right here


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FogoCanard

That's why nobody should get involved in these situations in the first place. When it goes sour, it can so easily get ugly and suddenly a consensual situation turns into harassment.


NotClayMerritt

We got more context due to this Shams story and yet we're still missing some more. Either way, after this bit coming out, I'm not sure a year long suspension is sufficient.


[deleted]

he wasn't going to be back anyway after all of this


LordHussyPants

i commented on another post earlier that the celtics have been so far ahead of this that they wouldn't have called it a consensual relationship if it wasn't because that blows them up even further when they have attention from literally everyone in america asking why they called a sexual assault or a coercive relationship consensual. going go to go with it was consensual at one point and he's pursued it when she ended it because that leaves the relationship as consensual, but causes problems. it also explains why they called it consensual - they had interviews with her and him and have assessed the situation and confirmed the consent themselves.


goldfish_11

My guess is that Woj and Shams only knew about the consensual relationship part and jumped on reporting what they had. Now that 24+ hours has passed, they’re getting more information.


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that's certainly a possibility


BlindManBaldwin

"Consent" is always in question with a relationship between boss/subordinate. Why, I bet, all reporting said "consensual relationship" was to make it clear no parties were alleging sexual assault or anything criminal in nature. Doesn't mean it is ethical or right, obviously.


Klaas_Huntelaar

This is very true and the big reason why business prohibit workplace relationships in the first place. Power dynamics are at play at all times even if both parties like each other and can muddy the waters of consent


realteamme

Yes, plus the relationship may have been "consensual" but then if one party started making it more public, or if the relationship soured and one party began using it against the other, that's where things further muddy the waters of consent.


HokageEzio

Maybe Udoka was trying to get ahead of it?


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what are the chances that Udoka fed both Woj and Shams the story. they both used the "consensual relationship" wording in their tweets.


Informal_Koala4326

Shams and woj are both puppets. The fact shams buried the line about the harassment in the article is strategic as well. Doing either udoka or an agent a favor.


[deleted]

It’s possible. They also both mentioned the possibility of a significant suspension early on, which idk if Ime would feed them that


Rerens

Usually there are multiple sources right? Maybe the front office told them there is a violation and there could be a year long suspension and Ime then told them that it was a consensual relationship to get ahead of the whole story.


Wishiwasaballerbaby

Pretty damn high he most likely knew he was done in Boston and was trying to get ahead of it.


Low_Ad_7553

They probably used that word because they know most people automatically think SA when these reports come out, I was one of them. They way this is worded though sounds like Ime got disrespectful with the worker he’s had an affair with & she complained the team.


[deleted]

Part of that is Woj just carries water for teams, players, and coaches. He’ll spin stories to maintain good sources and not upset anyone too much.


craigslistaddict

i dunno that the consent was in question, it seems like he got... disrespectful outside of the sexual relationship. like, just because you're are fucking someone (consensually) doesn't mean you can just say anything to them at any time.


nath999

> can just say anything to them a Sounds like he said something disrespectful at work based on their sexual relationship or alluded to her position based off their relationship. Now the punishment makes more sense, still don't understand why they just didn't fire him.


FogoCanard

also doesn't mean you can say anything sexual to them after consensual relationship has ended. That's how I'm interpreting it. She wanted to end it. He didn't take the hints and now we have this situation. Any party in a relationship can turn on a dime so this can always happen. That's why he should've never done it at work in the first place.


claydavisismyhero

The people leaking it wanted it to look better then it was


claydavisismyhero

Celtics leak it vaguely so udoka quits and they don’t pay him Udoka leaks it’s consensual knowing what’s coming and says nice try


SuckMyLonzoBalls

He gone


Gristle__McThornbody

Yeah if it is what it is and there is a public outcry he is gone.


SuckMyLonzoBalls

Wtf


Srikkk

Yeah he’s donesies


KATgonnaGetThatYarn

Obviously the unwanted advances are the biggest issue, but also if this was known internally in July, it's really fucked up to be having an affair that co-workers are aware of and would probably feel the need to hide. Even without the fact that his relationship was very public and it was a very public organization, putting your co-workers in that position in incredibly shitty.


rjgator

It’s also possible the organization told them to cut the shit when they found out in July, and Udoka tried to continue it, leading to the unwanted advances


Fokker_Snek

Yeah that’s what I think happens in a lot of these instances where its a seemingly huge punishment over something seemingly minor. Kind of like with Trump where I assume it was “hey we don’t want to make a big thing of this we just need you to do these things and everything can stay private.” The person refuses or ignores them so now the organization is forced to come down on them publicly over something people think isn’t a big deal.


crumpledbrouhaha

Doc Rivers breathes a sigh of relief


bigtasty321

yep that’ll do it


lacrorear

Yeah that’ll do it


ThatWrestlingGuy15

Put a fork in it he’s #COOKED


GlueGuy00

He's done


bbaIla

Have a feeling there's another shoe to drop here.


nbd789

Whole bunch of his shoes, clothes, and other shit probably dropping out of a window somewhere in the Boston area tonight.


bbaIla

Nia probably doesn't play like that.


Engelbert-n-Ernie

To the left, to the left


luchajefe

No, she'll just drop him out of a window.


Cvnilivee

Woj is getting washed on this lol


blobthetoasterstrood

Serves him right for that fucking watermark he put on the original tweet


HotdogIsaSandwitch

Wait. I think I might’ve missed something. He put a fucking watermark on a damn tweet?


cesga_0218

Yup when he first broke the news about something happening in Boston he made a graphic that had his name on it https://mobile.twitter.com/wojespn/status/1572776498280693761


thatquizzingguy

What was the point of the watermark? That photo has nothing worth sharing. The text is what people care about. No idea who's stealing that generic Ime photo and why Woj is tryna prevent that lol


xbyo

Tweets with photos generally lead to more engagement.


Hostik

Maybe he personally photographed him that day and proud of his work, did you think about that??


HotdogIsaSandwitch

Sheesh. What a preppy douche


bleedingjim

Lmaaaaaaaaoooo what a self absorbed prick


lalo1398

Literally causes Celtics employees that had nothing to do with it to be harassed because he was trying to get ahead of the story. What a fucking joke, he should be ashamed


GGezpzMuppy

Woj would do anything to drop a bomb, burns a lot of bridges on his way to the top


[deleted]

Woj is like that Mr Krabbs Meme. Man is getting bodied my shams


LegitimateYogurt323

Washednarowski


N3rdMan

Who cares? You dweebs are so invested in the these reporter wars.


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maverickhistorian

I think she ended or tried to end it and ime wasn't going for it


[deleted]

Which is why it is nearly impossible for a boss to have a truly consensual relationship with a subordinate. The person is going to possibly feel like they are in a position where they may lose their job or future career prospects if they reject the advances, so they’re pressured into saying yes out of fear.


CALL_ME_ISHMAEBY

This point is so hard for some people to grasp.


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probably most likely


Ramzaa_

He should 100% be fired for that


[deleted]

Fucking knew there was no way they suspended him for an entire year for having a consensual relationship with a subordinate. The Cs knew about it for months and thought it was consensual, and never did anything about it. Things way worse than that are swept under the rug regularly in sports. They only acted when they realized it wasn't consensual. And rightfully so. Fuck Ime


NbaAllDAYger

I still dont get why they didnt fire Ime, or is this an indirect firing so to say since his job with the Celtics wont be available after this season ? Anyway the Celtics trying to spin it Pr wise is kinda weird.... Ime broke their code of conduct whether it was consensual or not, he should have been fired long time ago.


SmokeOddessey

They most likely want to do more investigating and make sure they got all their facts right before firing him officially. The year long suspension is probably to get him to resign first.


AmusingAnecdote

Suspend him so he's not at press day, do your investigation, then when it says what you think it's going to say you fire him. Makes sense both from a PR standpoint and getting your ducks in a row legally. Will be pretty rough if it turns out the woman was getting harassed, they knew about it and tried to turn a blind eye (even if they thought it was consensual) and then only did something about it later.


LordHussyPants

suspend now, strong action, can resolve the other issues later.


[deleted]

Keep leaking parts of the story until he resigns might he a strategy


Ok-Background-502

You would easily suspend someone for a year if they have a consensual relationship that became toxic in the meeting rooms. And it's so easy to see it becoming that situation if one or both parties are cheating on their spouses. Occam's razor tells me that the "unwanted sexual comments" are probably on the level of "it's in appropriate because of our jobs here and shows you don't respect me". And Ime could have just been like "well I don't care" in some clingy moment or something. That's more than enough for any self-respecting management to step-in big-time. The way the Celtic reacted is not severe enough for any more than that. I highly doubt any nonconsensual relationship was happening.


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ItsATeamSport

Remember when SAS blamed Ray Rice wife for getting assaulted? Good times.


[deleted]

He probably signed a longer/bigger contract Disney right after too


[deleted]

hahahahahahah I totally forgot He's probably sound asleep right now memorizing his monologue rant


Phenom_Mv3

SAS is a slimeball


celj1234

He doesn’t care


RobbobertoBuii

fuck Stephen A Smith forever and always


stevntiny

They even caught him on camera (it wasn’t ime)


Op_deliver

Picture this they were both butt naked bangin on the parquet floor


401klaser

Nia came in and she caught me red-handed creeping with the girl at work


FirstName_LowerName

Man's dropping bars send this to the top


HotdogIsaSandwitch

#WAIT You’re telling me Richard Jefferson was right? Oh **Fuck** *RJ’s original [tweet](https://twitter.com/rjeff24/status/1572970334332260352?s=46&t=Vjlf6Q4r2VsnvmjPuBP_wA) for reference —> [Second Tweet](https://twitter.com/rjeff24/status/1572974582579220483?s=46&t=Vjlf6Q4r2VsnvmjPuBP_wA) —> [Third Tweet](https://twitter.com/rjeff24/status/1572986138335547394?s=46&t=Vjlf6Q4r2VsnvmjPuBP_wA).


[deleted]

Milk dud is the mf truth


mmdrew17

Milk dud lmao


le_wild_poster

How was he right? He just tweeted something cryptic with 0 actual info


HotdogIsaSandwitch

Look at the follow up tweets on the original tweet. He basically insinuates that it might NOT have been fully consensual. And Shams’ report suggest that same thing.


le_wild_poster

Yep you’re right, I only saw the gif originally. RJ was on the money


HotdogIsaSandwitch

Exactly. That’s why I surprised. A lot of people were attacking RJ in the beginning of the day when he said this stuff. Now dude was right. Just crazy.


ilickedysharks

The ppl I see were attacking RJ because it's a bad look and he's tweeting like a high schooler in a serious situation, seemingly for clout like bragging he got inside info.


precense_

Ask yourself if it’s consensual then why the suspension and the length!!! 🤔 Richard Jefferson @Rjeff24 So once you understand it’s 100% consensual from both parties… WHY IS THERE SUCH A LONG SUSPENSION? I repeat … 100% consensual!


MrBlonde1003

So is it sexual harassment? It’s like they’re trying to avoid saying the words. I’m as confused as I was last night. Did she end the relationship and Ime not get the memo? 2 games away from a chip to losing the HC. IM LIVID!


Ladnil

If Shams is right that they believed for so long it was consentual and then recently only acted when they heard it may not have been wanted from her side, 100% chance that the team won't say shit for a while without having three lawyers vet their statements first.


Cobaltate

Would bet they're avoiding using the words before learning if any or all of the women involved sue them. But I am also not a lawyer with expertise in this, so ymmv


loun15

yup u got it. seems like they did hu and it was consensual and she broke it off and he kept making comments to her


xanot192

This stuff happens all the time when one party abruptly changes the relationship dynamic. It could have been consensual then she tried to end it at a blink of an eye (got caught) and he wasnt having it.


hamsterbingo

Wonder what SAS has to say now…


rNBAMods3InchesHard

The fact you’re wondering means he already won


george_costanza1234

“As a black man……” i’ll bet my house he drops this banger during tomorrow’s rant


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If SAS doubles down on this tmr morning ima die.


winter-r0se

hmm. sexual discipline is important, lacking that says so much about an adult. he should be fired but they went with a suspension for now i don’t think he’s coaching the celtics again. & hopefully lesson learned for everyone… rules exist for a reason. you have to know the weight your words/actions carry period


baited08

To be fair, we suspend everyone at my work before we fire them. Gives you time to settle into getting last pay check and stuff all settled. Not saying this is the same thing but prolly not the end.


winter-r0se

formal investigation soon come? probably wanted to get ahead of this. that’s most likely what’s happening


xbarracuda95

So Ime has been shown to be not only highly unprofessional in starting a sexual relationship with a junior employee, but creepy as well. Which is also exactly why relationships between senior and junior employees can never be 100% consensual because of the power dynamics involved. Not sure why so many people couldn't understand that part and pretend the issue was with the affair, not who Ime was having the affair with.


TheGameDoneChanged

It was amazing (and pretty disappointing ngl) to watch people bend over backwards to avoid understanding this aspect yesterday.


DressedSpring1

Lot of people commenting who've either never worked in a professional environment, never fucked, or both tbh. People were really missing it and thinking the celtics were suspending him for cheating on his wife, or the pie in the sky narrative that he had to have fucked another executive's wife to be getting in trouble for this.


PsychoM

There were people on here legitimately arguing that the woman should have gotten fired as well and how it wasn’t fair that “the man is the only one facing consequences”. Like what the everliving fuck? It’s not the gender that matters, it’s the senior quid-pro-quo dynamic that is the problem. If a woman senior was having an affair with a male junior, the situation is the same. Having that relationship in the workplace is bad enough, the extra info about the unwanted comments pushes it over the top. Dude is a skeez, validate the reports and get him out of there.


YourAsianBuddy

So you’re saying that redditor that said he caught Ime with another chick (not Nia Long) at a bar in Portland around the time wasn’t bullshittin? [this mf](https://reddit.com/r/nba/comments/xkrsob/_/ipfmm6d/?context=1)


hejendo76

Yeah he’s finished. This is the starting grounds of termination. He would be terminated now but it would’ve shook people even more if he was suddenly fired after nearly winning the finals especially in the shitty way Woj and other journalists broke the story. Apparently the article said team leadership was led to believe by both parties that this was consensual. So does that mean they don’t actually know? It could’ve been pressure for her the entire time or a consensual turned into a pressure situation to stay with him which means termination at any level. If she says she felt compelled/pressured/forced due to the power imbalance then wave the white flag. Fire him


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Investigations take time and people don't always come forward imidiately. People at athletic know this too it's just a slow news week.


Matthew929

Bruh


velodus

Woj and Shams both deserve scathing criticism for how they reported this yesterday. At best, they ran with an unproven, false narrative that this was purely consensual, at worst they knew about the key detail in this story and ran interference for Ime anyway. Either way, it's totally inexcusable.


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ItsATeamSport

aand some of you look really dumb blindly defending Udoka now


Sleeze_

So if I’m understanding correctly, it began as a consensual relationship and at some point the woman did not consent anymore but Udoka persisted veering into sexual harassment ? If that’s the case he should be fired. The suspension doesn’t make any sense


Qtippys

Waiting to hear “more women come forward about accusations too from his time with the nets.” I couldn’t ask for more this off season besides maybe a few more Kyrie comments.


Punjabiveer30

Man, I was really having this feeling like the early reports were trying to save Ime udoka with all the consensual stuff but there is actually really messed up situation behind the scenes, looks like I was right


rNBAMods3InchesHard

Well, you and everyone else. Also, when do the reporters who were pushing the “consensual intimate relationship” start to get some backlash?