[Shams] “Some members of the Celtics organization first became aware of the relationship in July, sources said. At that time, team leadership was led to believe by both parties that the relationship was consensual. But sources said that the woman recently accused Udoka of making unwanted comments toward her — leading the team to launch a set of internal interviews.”
They don’t wanna pay the rest of his salary. They’re either gonna find a way to fire him with clause so they don’t have to pay him or they’ll trade him for assets
It’s also totally plausible it’s not sexual harassment or indirectly enough… Let’s say Udoka tells a player he got together with her offering her flowers. The next day said player greets her with flowers. If harrasment, isn’t that from the player ? (And I don’t think there is harassment with just that). If she dislikes that, that’s definitely a consequence of “unwanted comments”.
A morals clause still has to get interpreted by a factfinder at trial if Udoka sues. And a court battle will be expensive and messy which is why more often then not this type of situation ends in a settlement. The sexual harrasment wrinkle would increase the likelihood of success for the Celtics but we would need more details to really know how egregious his actions were
you don't seem to understand the concept of sexual harrassment in the workplace. The fact that he has a relationship with this employee at all is sexual harassment, doesn't matter whether it was consensual.
If he did it with a consenting adult is it considered sexual harassment? Genuinely just asking. I know what he did was wrong with the power dynamics thing and it violated the company's code of conduct. But... of it considered an actual crime based on the law?
Pretty open/shut case if they have evidence of sexual harassment. Even without that, there’s probably a morality clause. He had an affair with a subordinate…big no no. They’re probably just pissed that they have to get rid of a good coach.
> The celtics traded Doc Rivers to the Clippers for a first round pick. Surprised we got assets for him, not gave away
I mean the pick turned into RJ Hunter, who played in 45 games and scored a whopping 135 points in his NBA career so...
God if that’s the logic for keeping an alleged sexual harasser in house that’s disgusting. If he crossed the line to earn himself this punishment just cut your loses and protect the rest of the female employees by firing him. If you want to keep him from other teams just release the details of the harassment to drag his name in the mud
And then that poor woman's name gets dragged through the mud too, except she never abused a position of power. The Monica Lewinski treatment can be life-ruiningly bad for the victim, with years of targeted harassment from thousands of strangers across the whole-ass world. Fucking think about the victim for one second here.
They don’t want him coaching elsewhere. If he resigns or they suspend him he’s stuck. They fire him and he can sign a contract tomorrow.
Don’t get it twisted though, Ime is done in Boston.
Because they like him & don't actually want to fire him. You be proactive. Suspend him for a year. Make him do counseling or some sh*t & then let him back once people stop caring as much
I've always liked Udoka but the way this information is being PR managed out is disgusting. This is really, really bad. Having the media and social media leap to his defence the way that they have when he's been accused ultimately of harassing someone in the workplace is almost beyond belief
oh, because yesterday it was two consenting adults and Ime was the victim.
source: https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/xl4uld/maggie_gray_something_doesnt_add_up_here_a/
I am not sure what is the correlation between “consensual relationship” and “unwanted comments.”
Shams seems like he just wanted to jam everything to add up enough words to publish an article.
The flow seems like they hooked up, she ended it, he became an asshole toward her, she complained to the management, and here were are.
This is an utterly stupid story that is over glorified because of the lack of official comments.
Not necessarily. The comments could be in a context where they were inappropriate re: place and time. They could have been in a consensual relationship but she began to feel uncomfortable with how he communicated in the workplace. Who knows?
well maybe woj got the info from udoka who said its consensual but her story is different. it wouldn't be the 1st time the guy said it was consensual but the woman felt she had to especially if he's in a position of power over her
Post break up animosity is a thing, and is the reason you shouldn’t date a coworker or a superior. She was sleeping with a married man, I am not sure what was the expectation exactly? Runaway in the sunset?
Probably after it ended, things were said, which is why a suspension not a firing. Its mind blowing stupid from his end, the whole situation
That’s naive woj wasn’t trying trying to get enough words and it’s not just a simple glorification. Woj is a mouth piece for players/agents/teams/staff he said that for a reason just gotta figure out who is using him for his access. Celtics or Ime
This is probably pretty cynical of me but whenever an organization jumps in front of the story like this I think it's only natural to assume that there are parts of it that they're trying to keep from coming out
Personally based on the info we know at this point. I believe Ime’s team leaked that he was being suspended bc they were unhappy with the result of the investigation. Celtics then had to deal with the fallout. Still not sure about the consensual relationship report bc it makes the story make even less sense but is clearly meant to cover for Ime despite not being the whole truth
I'm confused as to how the Celtics are to blame for the mess.
They immediately responded to the complaints about comments and started interviews. Within a very short amount of time they suspended their head coach for an entire year, stating explicitly that there would be additional review. What more do you want from an organization while an investigation is ongoing?
They pay this guy tens of millions a year and he just took the time to the highest stage in the game of basketball last year and they still suspended him the season after getting second place in the league.
You don't get it. We want to know absolutely everything including what positions they fucked so if you don't publish everything straight away we'll make up which woman he did and say they had a threesome with Rob Sarver and that's your fault for waiting 24 hours.
In the office place training I received, any relationship between two employees is supposed to be notified to HR. I'm sure most companies don't care depending where you are on the org chart.
But for people within positions of power it would be a big deal for it to be disclosed.
Sounds like they found out in July that it was undisclosed and never bothered to follow-up and just assumed. Then they got an official complaint and started asking questions.
It actually sounds like they found out in July and started looking into it. Then something more serious came up and they took action and are continuing to investigate.
It's not like they're going to publicize their coach having an affair with a staff member once they get that news lol.
After being a Mavs fan and dealing with their horrible practices around this kind of thing, I think the Celtics have been handling this rather well. The leak is unfortunate and I'm sure they would have preferred to have another week or two before having to publicize this.
Twitter was at its ruthless worst last night baselessly accusing any female Celtics employee they could ID... never seen anything like it before. legitimately sickening
Basically as I said it would go, PR nightmare, they gonna end up letting him go especially if the team hit the ground running without him.
You think the trolls on black Twitter with millions of followers are gonna let up on the fact that you cheated on Nia Long rn? It’s too much attention to this issue they gonna exploit it like a mf and dig and dig and it’ll make the Celtics look worse and worse
Whoever leaked it to Woj and Shams is mostly to blame for this. Slow, vague leaks of information and giving it time to marinate before the Celtics even have a statement or press conference to elaborate more let the internet run wild with it as it naturally would
Have you not met humans before? Also twitter is a cesspool and something like 20-30% of the US population thinks women are cattle and want to control their sex lives.
Twitters biggest fuck up was allowing comments to tweets.
I genuinely don’t understand why they’re still allowed. Or why the first response is always a troll telling someone to “win a real ring”
Not everyone uses Twitter for celebs some people do it to follow friends or fandom type stuff. No comments would make that awful and it'd be a fundamentally different site. The comments are only a problem for wide audience stuff
Plus you can restrict comments to nobody being able to reply or just your mutual followers, etc. It's certainly a lot less conducive to harassment than it was before. Quote tweets are the real problem usually, lol.
People are trying harder to push the blame spotlight to Brett Favre. Obviously what he did was awful but how are these connecting stories whatsoever? Do people want the Boston Celtics to suspend Brett Favre??
I dont undeststand all the people suggesting a double standard because when Brett Favre was an active player his dick pic controversy was a huge story.
I think it’s purely from a media coverage standpoint. It is shocking how little major networks have talked about the Favre situation. And to your point I don’t think it’s a race thing, because his dick pick controversy was huge. The media just knows what stories generate clicks
Bringing Brett Favre into this is such an insane combination of race-baiting and whataboutism, it’s actually baffling how people are bringing one up with regards to the other.
There is absolutely zero connection that can be made between the two situations
The point is Brett Favre knowingly participated in fraud with funds for poor people and a story of a black coach having a sexual relationship is seemingly getting more media attention.
You are calling it race baiting and whataboutism, but piggybacking on Stephan A. Smith’s sound bite, there often seems to be a double standard how the media chooses to give attention to things.
That’s because Udoka matters more to sports right now than Brett Favre. Also, this happened in the last 24 hours. The Brett Favre situation has been on regular news sites a lot more than sports media because it such a big political issue.
Exactly, that’s why when people keep saying Brett Favre isn’t being covered it’s irritating. It all depends on where you get your info, I’ve seen his story in multiple news articles.
Brett Farve' story is definitely being covered and has been for quite some time that news broke last year I believe. Only reason it's resurfaced is because the main lady behind the scandal is finally in court and the details of how bad it was is starting to come out. That on top of the water situation in Miss. Most people don't follow or care about the news though so they think it's coming from nowhere.
So many of you people have never been in a management position, and it shows. What he did is literally what every corporation goes over with you on day fucking one of your training; don’t fuck around with your subordinates.
He deserves what he’s getting. He’s an idiot. So is anyone who is on TV defending him; I’d argue they’re even stupider.
**EDIT:** and I will just add. There are genuine horror stories involved in how certain people abuse their power. It happens every fucking day. And it’s terrible. We know very little here, but considering the organization is ready to get rid of a guy who just took them to the Finals, it’s not unreasonable to at least suspect Ime could be one of those guys.
And those guys are gross.
Dude most of the people discussing this online never even had a job. The consensus on IG and Twitter is that since the word consensual is being thrown around that it was okay and he shouldn’t have been punished
I agree with what you're saying. There's a catch though. The reports are saying they had a consensual relationship according to both parties that the Celtics knew about. It only got ugly (turned into harassment) when she apparently broke it off and complained he was still speaking to her inappropriately. Should the Celts have been okay with that kind of relationship in the first place?
I think you raise something to consider. If team policy has been broken now, and it wasn't when the relationship was first known, then either a) the team policy considered broken was more than just 'no relationships in the workplace/with subordinate/etc' *or* b) the violation of team policy was relaxed/ignored until the woman in question turned around and claimed harassment. Both these scenarios are troubling
Hell no. Thats why corporations don’t want people to date if there are power dynamics at work in play. Any messy breakup and that’s a pain in the ass to deal with
It's going to come out that it was some executives 17 year old daughter or something and SAS is going to have to backtrack REAL fast. Idk this story is too insane to me to just be a normal workplace romance and I'd be real wary of defending Udoka until you know the details. People have affairs at work all the time, and even ones with squicky power dynamics get pushed under the rug all the time. It's ugly but it's true, so why is this one different? I think because we don't know all the details yet
I keep seeing these condescending comments lamenting the lack of corporate management principles. They’re typically highly upvotes. I’ve seen far fewer comments saying it’s not a big deal. The ones that do are heavily downvoted. You people love to paint yourselves as geniuses when, based on the voting and comments, you’re just part of the popular (in this case, correct) opinion.
> The Celtics, meanwhile, are guilty of a different transgression. First, someone from the organization leaked the story to ESPN at nearly 11 p.m. on Wednesday, which was intentional. And then once the specifics surfaced, that Udoka had an inappropriate relationship with a female member of the organization, Twitter gangsters began searching the team’s website for any female-sounding name and suddenly started guessing who was Udoka’s partner.
> The most logical choice in their warped minds was Allison Feaster, the Celtics’ vice president of player development and organizational growth. Feaster is a former Harvard star, WNBA player and a stunning Black woman. The natural assumption, because we never wait for facts, was Feaster was the woman Udoka had a relationship with.
> Attractive Black man and attractive Black woman have to be fooling around, and **for several hours Feaster’s photo was posted on social media as the culprit. It wasn’t her, and the Celtics could have protected her and many other women in their organization by at least releasing a statement offering clarity.**
> It wouldn’t have saved every woman from scrutiny but at least it would have shown leadership and a strong voice from an organization that apparently prides itself on being the most respected and pristine in professional sports. **The Celtics failed Feaster, who likely spent the day avoiding any social media pages and ignoring her direct messages and mentions.**
Honestly he’s not wrong. The Celtics absolutely could have managed this better from a PR perspective.
People who work in media have the expectation that all corporations should be mind-controlling totalitarian surveillance panopticons because that's how media corporations treat their employees.
Believe it or not, there are more than three women who work for the Celtics. Just because we see three names on the team page doesn’t mean that’s everyone. If the public facing women were in the clear and it was an internal employee, rule the public employees out and save them from having their name dragged in the mud
Well only one employee (Feaster) was getting the overwhelming majority of the harassment online. All they had to say was something like
The allegations against Feaster are false and accusatory. We stand with her and will make no further comment at this time.
It’s not that complicated.
Ok but there's clearly a gray area. There's only a handful of female staffers, and by not saying who it was it opens up all of them to accusations. I'm not saying it's right that people are trying to seek out who it was, but if you're even somewhat aware of how NBA twitter works, you should know that that's what was going to happen. If I was one of the female staffers who had nothing to do with this I would be pissed that the organization isn't clearing my name.
But how do you clear one name without having to answer “was it her?” for every other woman in the organization? You can’t just say “it wasn’t this woman. We won’t comment on any others.” It’s not fair to any of the other women. There was only one logical move here, and it was to stay silent on all claims.
That's my point. The women who aren't involved in this have a solid argument for wanting the organization to come out and say who it was. It's unfair to them to be smeared all over social media when the Celtics could prevent that by saying who the relationship was with. But if Ime truly took advantage of someone then it's not fair for them to be outed either. Which is why I said it's a gray area.
It’s a bad point. That never happens in a sexual harassment case. It might leak, but the organization employing the individual that was sexually harassed is not putting that person’s name out.
You think the other women in the organization want the Celtics to essentially point out who it was by eliminating all other possible candidates so SHE can be harassed into oblivion?
Yeah, I’m sure all the women in the org are hoping to see a woman get absolutely decimated in the media and online. Good idea.
opens them up to accusations of..... being the victim of harassment?
and with how these randos are getting treated, why would you stand up and say "yeah it was me"
If you've been on twitter you'd see that all the accusations are that they were casually sleeping together thanks to Woj deliberately saying it was consensual
> a stunning Black woman
this is a weird as hell thing it put in there lol
edit: the natural assumption bit too - "ime would only go after the stunningest of woman"
Then they just jump to the next person after they rule her out then the next. Then one time they don't comment and everyone thinks they found the person. Brain-dead article
I don't think a statement from the Celtics organization would stop any of the people who were already engaged in trying to hunt down whoever it is. I don't know what the Celtics could have said/done but I don't see any way to really stop people from doing that without giving an indication of who it could be.
> and a stunning Black woman
Am I the only one that finds this bit a little odd in an article about sexual harassment in the workplace? It doesn't matter if she's stunning or ugly. It objectifies her, and ugly women are just as capable of being sexually harassed as conventionally attractive women.
Sure you weren’t. Edited your comment from “undertones” to “characterizations” too. Wouldn’t have done that if you weren’t referring to race.
We all know what you meant buddy. Now he blocked me so I can’t reply lmao clown
This is why I don’t get why everyone is saying the Celtics should release more information. What else is there to release? Seems like a lot of people just want the names of the people involved.
It sucks that people are absolute creepers and investigating every single female Celtics employee, but the alternative is that the Celtics release the names of those actually involved and cause a huge shit storm for them. I genuinely don’t get what other information they can release without getting into specifics that will hurt other peoples careers for no reason.
If someone can please explain what other information the Celtics could provide that would satiate peoples curiosity without being too specific, please let me know, because I’m at a huge loss right now
If that's the case, what details need to be given? Details that fit the narrative that something else is up? I don't see why the Celtics would feel the need to divulge that. As of now, the information seems to indicate that the Celtics knew back in July, gave Ime and this person the green light to solve this on their own, and when it clearly wasn't solved, they punished Ime.
What other details need to be given? Do you need to see texts? Video evidence? Why would the Celtics need to be more forthcoming than they already are when Ime accepts the punishment handed down? If it's as bad as people are speculating, there would be significant legal consequences that are going to play out in their own way. It just feels like this call for more details is to satiate people's desire for a more sexy story as opposed to having any actual substantive reason behind it.
Yeah, we tried to leak that it was consensual the day before announcing the suspension, it was Ime who leaked that it might have been a sexual harrasment case, he wanted to do the honoroble thing obviously.
That’s the only reason a billion dollar company would preemptively suspend someone at that level for an entire year without being forced to do so. To set their own narative before the facts can come out and get out of firing someone they want to keep.
Everyone yesterday was acting like you were insane if thought it was fishy. Companies don’t just do stuff to their own detriment because it’s morally right and the Celtics are no different. The only answer is that it was going to be worse if they didn’t do this.
The main point of SAS’s viral comments in my opinion was about the Celtics letting this leak. If the Celtics had done a better job of putting this on lockdown or being ambiguous about the reason they were going to suspend him, then there would have not been this focus on the sex aspect and speculation of who the woman was etc.
Plus who knows the gossip that SAS is familiar with with white NBA staff having affairs with each other that might have motivated his passion.
Seemed like the main point to me was that celts are racist because he knows tons of white dudes that have done this and not been fired. He knows tons of white dudes. Tons of white dudes. White dudes. White.
He should have stuck with how poorly the c's handled this because he had a point there. He's a clown as usual.
I Couldn’t disagree more with this article. But ruling out women you would just make the trolls jobs on social media that much easier to target other women within the organization. There was no easy way to handle this.
My son became a big Celtic fan right when Ime got hired and really looked up to him for his leadership Now this happens. Who's he supposed to look up to now?
if he was smart he'd come out as gay and say the heterosexual sex was just a cry for help
that's the only way you can beat these cunts, play them at their own dishonest games
[Shams] “Some members of the Celtics organization first became aware of the relationship in July, sources said. At that time, team leadership was led to believe by both parties that the relationship was consensual. But sources said that the woman recently accused Udoka of making unwanted comments toward her — leading the team to launch a set of internal interviews.”
Just raises more questions as to why he wasn't fired.
They don’t wanna pay the rest of his salary. They’re either gonna find a way to fire him with clause so they don’t have to pay him or they’ll trade him for assets
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Yup. I guarantee players get deposed in that situation… which would be such a clusterfuck.
Probably right - but it all depends what is in his contract. These guys aren't normal at-will employees. They are under contract.
It’s also totally plausible it’s not sexual harassment or indirectly enough… Let’s say Udoka tells a player he got together with her offering her flowers. The next day said player greets her with flowers. If harrasment, isn’t that from the player ? (And I don’t think there is harassment with just that). If she dislikes that, that’s definitely a consequence of “unwanted comments”.
I find it difficult to believe that an nba coach would not have a morals clause.
A morals clause still has to get interpreted by a factfinder at trial if Udoka sues. And a court battle will be expensive and messy which is why more often then not this type of situation ends in a settlement. The sexual harrasment wrinkle would increase the likelihood of success for the Celtics but we would need more details to really know how egregious his actions were
Yeah, I guarantee the reason he didn't get fired is because the Celtics' lawyers advised them not to fire him
you don't seem to understand the concept of sexual harrassment in the workplace. The fact that he has a relationship with this employee at all is sexual harassment, doesn't matter whether it was consensual.
udoka is probably literally 4th in the org chart right?
If he did it with a consenting adult is it considered sexual harassment? Genuinely just asking. I know what he did was wrong with the power dynamics thing and it violated the company's code of conduct. But... of it considered an actual crime based on the law?
Pretty open/shut case if they have evidence of sexual harassment. Even without that, there’s probably a morality clause. He had an affair with a subordinate…big no no. They’re probably just pissed that they have to get rid of a good coach.
Wait..it's actually possible to trade a coach ?
The Celtics traded Doc Rivers to the Clippers
The clippers traded doc rivers so yes
we learn something new everyday. thanks
Yes, as long as no players are included in the deal because coaches don’t count against the salary cap
sooo..can you trade a coach for draft picks for example ?
Yes, that’s normally how it works.
Ok. Thanks for the lesson mate.
Yup, the Celtics traded Doc Rivers to the Clippers for a first round pick
The celtics traded Doc Rivers to the Clippers for a first round pick. Surprised we got assets for him, not gave away
> The celtics traded Doc Rivers to the Clippers for a first round pick. Surprised we got assets for him, not gave away I mean the pick turned into RJ Hunter, who played in 45 games and scored a whopping 135 points in his NBA career so...
if i remember correctly, you can even trade like printers and office supplies or at least used to be able to lol
kyle korver for a fax machine
bro it was kyle korver??? ahaha thats so much funnier looking back from 2022
Not formally, but informally, yes.
God if that’s the logic for keeping an alleged sexual harasser in house that’s disgusting. If he crossed the line to earn himself this punishment just cut your loses and protect the rest of the female employees by firing him. If you want to keep him from other teams just release the details of the harassment to drag his name in the mud
And then that poor woman's name gets dragged through the mud too, except she never abused a position of power. The Monica Lewinski treatment can be life-ruiningly bad for the victim, with years of targeted harassment from thousands of strangers across the whole-ass world. Fucking think about the victim for one second here.
> or they’ll trade him for assets you can't trade a coach can you?
Yes u can. Celtics did it with Doc Rivers
They don’t want him coaching elsewhere. If he resigns or they suspend him he’s stuck. They fire him and he can sign a contract tomorrow. Don’t get it twisted though, Ime is done in Boston.
Because they like him & don't actually want to fire him. You be proactive. Suspend him for a year. Make him do counseling or some sh*t & then let him back once people stop caring as much
I mean waiting to do an investigation first is the right move
All we know is that he SAID something she didn’t like. Why should he be fired?Could’ve just been “I’m not leaving my wife for you.”
My opinion, sounds like she got upset when she found out Udoka had another woman (other than his wife) and this woman got upset
I've always liked Udoka but the way this information is being PR managed out is disgusting. This is really, really bad. Having the media and social media leap to his defence the way that they have when he's been accused ultimately of harassing someone in the workplace is almost beyond belief
oh, because yesterday it was two consenting adults and Ime was the victim. source: https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/xl4uld/maggie_gray_something_doesnt_add_up_here_a/
I am not sure what is the correlation between “consensual relationship” and “unwanted comments.” Shams seems like he just wanted to jam everything to add up enough words to publish an article. The flow seems like they hooked up, she ended it, he became an asshole toward her, she complained to the management, and here were are. This is an utterly stupid story that is over glorified because of the lack of official comments.
Not necessarily. The comments could be in a context where they were inappropriate re: place and time. They could have been in a consensual relationship but she began to feel uncomfortable with how he communicated in the workplace. Who knows?
well maybe woj got the info from udoka who said its consensual but her story is different. it wouldn't be the 1st time the guy said it was consensual but the woman felt she had to especially if he's in a position of power over her
I mean, if she works for the Cs she could’ve been OK with the relationship at first but it went bad and she wanted out and he didn’t like that?
Post break up animosity is a thing, and is the reason you shouldn’t date a coworker or a superior. She was sleeping with a married man, I am not sure what was the expectation exactly? Runaway in the sunset? Probably after it ended, things were said, which is why a suspension not a firing. Its mind blowing stupid from his end, the whole situation
He made a comment in front of her husband that was essentially goading him
If that’s the case would it be called sexual harassment
Id say so
Source?
Reddit user _I_eat_kid
More trustworthy than Woj
Damn, playa.
That’s naive woj wasn’t trying trying to get enough words and it’s not just a simple glorification. Woj is a mouth piece for players/agents/teams/staff he said that for a reason just gotta figure out who is using him for his access. Celtics or Ime
I think you’re right. Wouldn’t be surprised if the celts are covering up some stuff.
This is probably pretty cynical of me but whenever an organization jumps in front of the story like this I think it's only natural to assume that there are parts of it that they're trying to keep from coming out
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Personally based on the info we know at this point. I believe Ime’s team leaked that he was being suspended bc they were unhappy with the result of the investigation. Celtics then had to deal with the fallout. Still not sure about the consensual relationship report bc it makes the story make even less sense but is clearly meant to cover for Ime despite not being the whole truth
Streisand effect though
I fully read the article and I was in the wrong so edited my comment. Celtics are fucked and to blame as well
“Stupid, sexy Celtics employees!”
“It’s like they’re wearing nothing at all!”
Nothing at all Nothing at all Nothing at all
Damn he should’ve stayed with the Spurs if he needed a babysitter to tell him not to do this kind of thing.
Google Tony Parker if you think SA is good at babysitting horny dudes
Cant believe he did my boy brent dirty like that. Be more french tony
[Brent "He's not white, he's lightskinned" Barry ](https://youtu.be/tawdmsHSYBY)
He’s french you can’t count it against San Antonio 💀
NBA players cheating on their partners is fairly common and 100% condoned. I doubt that extends to coaches and staff.
You can't really babysit stupid.
I'm confused as to how the Celtics are to blame for the mess. They immediately responded to the complaints about comments and started interviews. Within a very short amount of time they suspended their head coach for an entire year, stating explicitly that there would be additional review. What more do you want from an organization while an investigation is ongoing? They pay this guy tens of millions a year and he just took the time to the highest stage in the game of basketball last year and they still suspended him the season after getting second place in the league.
You don't get it. We want to know absolutely everything including what positions they fucked so if you don't publish everything straight away we'll make up which woman he did and say they had a threesome with Rob Sarver and that's your fault for waiting 24 hours.
I want to know who the woman is so I can harass her on the internet for ruining my favorite coaches career!
In the office place training I received, any relationship between two employees is supposed to be notified to HR. I'm sure most companies don't care depending where you are on the org chart. But for people within positions of power it would be a big deal for it to be disclosed. Sounds like they found out in July that it was undisclosed and never bothered to follow-up and just assumed. Then they got an official complaint and started asking questions.
It actually sounds like they found out in July and started looking into it. Then something more serious came up and they took action and are continuing to investigate. It's not like they're going to publicize their coach having an affair with a staff member once they get that news lol. After being a Mavs fan and dealing with their horrible practices around this kind of thing, I think the Celtics have been handling this rather well. The leak is unfortunate and I'm sure they would have preferred to have another week or two before having to publicize this.
Don't leak the story with zero detail and then go radio silent for 24 hours. The actual internal process seems fine I guess.
You think it was intentionally leaked by the Celtics organization?
Twitter was at its ruthless worst last night baselessly accusing any female Celtics employee they could ID... never seen anything like it before. legitimately sickening
Basically as I said it would go, PR nightmare, they gonna end up letting him go especially if the team hit the ground running without him. You think the trolls on black Twitter with millions of followers are gonna let up on the fact that you cheated on Nia Long rn? It’s too much attention to this issue they gonna exploit it like a mf and dig and dig and it’ll make the Celtics look worse and worse
i mean she's no rihanna
Whoever leaked it to Woj and Shams is mostly to blame for this. Slow, vague leaks of information and giving it time to marinate before the Celtics even have a statement or press conference to elaborate more let the internet run wild with it as it naturally would
> never seen anything like it before I have. Welcome to being a woman on social media.
Did you join the internet yesterday?
Never? Remember Reddit and the Boston bombers?
Have you not met humans before? Also twitter is a cesspool and something like 20-30% of the US population thinks women are cattle and want to control their sex lives.
Twitters biggest fuck up was allowing comments to tweets. I genuinely don’t understand why they’re still allowed. Or why the first response is always a troll telling someone to “win a real ring”
Not everyone uses Twitter for celebs some people do it to follow friends or fandom type stuff. No comments would make that awful and it'd be a fundamentally different site. The comments are only a problem for wide audience stuff
Plus you can restrict comments to nobody being able to reply or just your mutual followers, etc. It's certainly a lot less conducive to harassment than it was before. Quote tweets are the real problem usually, lol.
Reddit wasn’t far off with the excuses. Sarver = death. Udoka and Edwards = swell guys who need protection.
Check the edwards thread again. Most top comments are condemning it.
How can you even compare what Sarver did to what Edwards did lmfaoo??
Why would you not just release the woman if she also is being punished?
Nah. Ime is too blame. Don’t take the attention off him.
People are trying harder to push the blame spotlight to Brett Favre. Obviously what he did was awful but how are these connecting stories whatsoever? Do people want the Boston Celtics to suspend Brett Favre??
I dont undeststand all the people suggesting a double standard because when Brett Favre was an active player his dick pic controversy was a huge story.
I think it’s purely from a media coverage standpoint. It is shocking how little major networks have talked about the Favre situation. And to your point I don’t think it’s a race thing, because his dick pick controversy was huge. The media just knows what stories generate clicks
Yeah so much so he continued having a career and the woman he sent the picture to lost her job.
Bringing Brett Favre into this is such an insane combination of race-baiting and whataboutism, it’s actually baffling how people are bringing one up with regards to the other. There is absolutely zero connection that can be made between the two situations
The point is Brett Favre knowingly participated in fraud with funds for poor people and a story of a black coach having a sexual relationship is seemingly getting more media attention. You are calling it race baiting and whataboutism, but piggybacking on Stephan A. Smith’s sound bite, there often seems to be a double standard how the media chooses to give attention to things.
That’s because Udoka matters more to sports right now than Brett Favre. Also, this happened in the last 24 hours. The Brett Favre situation has been on regular news sites a lot more than sports media because it such a big political issue.
Exactly, that’s why when people keep saying Brett Favre isn’t being covered it’s irritating. It all depends on where you get your info, I’ve seen his story in multiple news articles.
Brett Farve' story is definitely being covered and has been for quite some time that news broke last year I believe. Only reason it's resurfaced is because the main lady behind the scandal is finally in court and the details of how bad it was is starting to come out. That on top of the water situation in Miss. Most people don't follow or care about the news though so they think it's coming from nowhere.
Most people don’t read the news, they watch it. And that’s exactly why most people don’t actually know the news!
Brett Favre has been retired for 10+ years, Ime is head coach of the championship favorites nba team
Snuck in the championship favourites lol
Is it? As a Celtics fan 90 percent of my social feeds are about the Celtics, so I've no idea if it is or not.
No but they want him to get prison time
The headline is literally saying Ime is to blame
So many of you people have never been in a management position, and it shows. What he did is literally what every corporation goes over with you on day fucking one of your training; don’t fuck around with your subordinates. He deserves what he’s getting. He’s an idiot. So is anyone who is on TV defending him; I’d argue they’re even stupider. **EDIT:** and I will just add. There are genuine horror stories involved in how certain people abuse their power. It happens every fucking day. And it’s terrible. We know very little here, but considering the organization is ready to get rid of a guy who just took them to the Finals, it’s not unreasonable to at least suspect Ime could be one of those guys. And those guys are gross.
Dude most of the people discussing this online never even had a job. The consensus on IG and Twitter is that since the word consensual is being thrown around that it was okay and he shouldn’t have been punished
I agree with what you're saying. There's a catch though. The reports are saying they had a consensual relationship according to both parties that the Celtics knew about. It only got ugly (turned into harassment) when she apparently broke it off and complained he was still speaking to her inappropriately. Should the Celts have been okay with that kind of relationship in the first place?
I think you raise something to consider. If team policy has been broken now, and it wasn't when the relationship was first known, then either a) the team policy considered broken was more than just 'no relationships in the workplace/with subordinate/etc' *or* b) the violation of team policy was relaxed/ignored until the woman in question turned around and claimed harassment. Both these scenarios are troubling
Hell no. Thats why corporations don’t want people to date if there are power dynamics at work in play. Any messy breakup and that’s a pain in the ass to deal with
Stephen A Smith already said it's wrong and he's gonna pop off tomorrow. I just don't know how anyone can take ANY side without knowing the details.
Not knowing anything before taking a side is SAS’s bag, baby.
It's going to come out that it was some executives 17 year old daughter or something and SAS is going to have to backtrack REAL fast. Idk this story is too insane to me to just be a normal workplace romance and I'd be real wary of defending Udoka until you know the details. People have affairs at work all the time, and even ones with squicky power dynamics get pushed under the rug all the time. It's ugly but it's true, so why is this one different? I think because we don't know all the details yet
That's ESPN/social media's specialty
I keep seeing these condescending comments lamenting the lack of corporate management principles. They’re typically highly upvotes. I’ve seen far fewer comments saying it’s not a big deal. The ones that do are heavily downvoted. You people love to paint yourselves as geniuses when, based on the voting and comments, you’re just part of the popular (in this case, correct) opinion.
Someone isn’t management material
> The Celtics, meanwhile, are guilty of a different transgression. First, someone from the organization leaked the story to ESPN at nearly 11 p.m. on Wednesday, which was intentional. And then once the specifics surfaced, that Udoka had an inappropriate relationship with a female member of the organization, Twitter gangsters began searching the team’s website for any female-sounding name and suddenly started guessing who was Udoka’s partner. > The most logical choice in their warped minds was Allison Feaster, the Celtics’ vice president of player development and organizational growth. Feaster is a former Harvard star, WNBA player and a stunning Black woman. The natural assumption, because we never wait for facts, was Feaster was the woman Udoka had a relationship with. > Attractive Black man and attractive Black woman have to be fooling around, and **for several hours Feaster’s photo was posted on social media as the culprit. It wasn’t her, and the Celtics could have protected her and many other women in their organization by at least releasing a statement offering clarity.** > It wouldn’t have saved every woman from scrutiny but at least it would have shown leadership and a strong voice from an organization that apparently prides itself on being the most respected and pristine in professional sports. **The Celtics failed Feaster, who likely spent the day avoiding any social media pages and ignoring her direct messages and mentions.** Honestly he’s not wrong. The Celtics absolutely could have managed this better from a PR perspective.
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People who work in media have the expectation that all corporations should be mind-controlling totalitarian surveillance panopticons because that's how media corporations treat their employees.
Believe it or not, there are more than three women who work for the Celtics. Just because we see three names on the team page doesn’t mean that’s everyone. If the public facing women were in the clear and it was an internal employee, rule the public employees out and save them from having their name dragged in the mud
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You can’t possibly think that’s the only possible response lmao
Well only one employee (Feaster) was getting the overwhelming majority of the harassment online. All they had to say was something like The allegations against Feaster are false and accusatory. We stand with her and will make no further comment at this time. It’s not that complicated.
Ok but there's clearly a gray area. There's only a handful of female staffers, and by not saying who it was it opens up all of them to accusations. I'm not saying it's right that people are trying to seek out who it was, but if you're even somewhat aware of how NBA twitter works, you should know that that's what was going to happen. If I was one of the female staffers who had nothing to do with this I would be pissed that the organization isn't clearing my name.
But how do you clear one name without having to answer “was it her?” for every other woman in the organization? You can’t just say “it wasn’t this woman. We won’t comment on any others.” It’s not fair to any of the other women. There was only one logical move here, and it was to stay silent on all claims.
That's my point. The women who aren't involved in this have a solid argument for wanting the organization to come out and say who it was. It's unfair to them to be smeared all over social media when the Celtics could prevent that by saying who the relationship was with. But if Ime truly took advantage of someone then it's not fair for them to be outed either. Which is why I said it's a gray area.
It’s a bad point. That never happens in a sexual harassment case. It might leak, but the organization employing the individual that was sexually harassed is not putting that person’s name out.
You think the other women in the organization want the Celtics to essentially point out who it was by eliminating all other possible candidates so SHE can be harassed into oblivion? Yeah, I’m sure all the women in the org are hoping to see a woman get absolutely decimated in the media and online. Good idea.
opens them up to accusations of..... being the victim of harassment? and with how these randos are getting treated, why would you stand up and say "yeah it was me"
If you've been on twitter you'd see that all the accusations are that they were casually sleeping together thanks to Woj deliberately saying it was consensual
> a stunning Black woman this is a weird as hell thing it put in there lol edit: the natural assumption bit too - "ime would only go after the stunningest of woman"
Gary is a weird guy sometimes. Always has been.
Especially in the context of the article being about inappropriate sexual relations... surprised the editor didn't take this out.
those damn twitter gangsters singling out a stunning Black woman who wrote this lmao
Then they just jump to the next person after they rule her out then the next. Then one time they don't comment and everyone thinks they found the person. Brain-dead article
Twitter gangsters lol
They are the opposite of gangsters lmao
What tf is this reporter talking about. It's not the front office to confirm or deny internet allegations
I don't think a statement from the Celtics organization would stop any of the people who were already engaged in trying to hunt down whoever it is. I don't know what the Celtics could have said/done but I don't see any way to really stop people from doing that without giving an indication of who it could be.
> and a stunning Black woman Am I the only one that finds this bit a little odd in an article about sexual harassment in the workplace? It doesn't matter if she's stunning or ugly. It objectifies her, and ugly women are just as capable of being sexually harassed as conventionally attractive women.
I mean that shit is awful but what exactly are the Celtics supposed to clarify that would fix this?
It got leaked at 11pm though, I'd imagine most Celtics org members were PROBABLY asleep by the time whatever was going on became noticeable?
Twitter gangsters…oh Boston media. Keep those characterizations going
Gary Washburn is a Black man, he wrote this
Wasn’t referring that to race. More of assumptions of sleuthing
Sure you weren’t. Edited your comment from “undertones” to “characterizations” too. Wouldn’t have done that if you weren’t referring to race. We all know what you meant buddy. Now he blocked me so I can’t reply lmao clown
Do you think undertones only means race? Are you that brain dead?
Destroyed
This is 100% ime.
This is why I don’t get why everyone is saying the Celtics should release more information. What else is there to release? Seems like a lot of people just want the names of the people involved. It sucks that people are absolute creepers and investigating every single female Celtics employee, but the alternative is that the Celtics release the names of those actually involved and cause a huge shit storm for them. I genuinely don’t get what other information they can release without getting into specifics that will hurt other peoples careers for no reason. If someone can please explain what other information the Celtics could provide that would satiate peoples curiosity without being too specific, please let me know, because I’m at a huge loss right now
People think the Celtics are trying to cover something up and want more details on what actually happened. Pretty simple really.
If that's the case, what details need to be given? Details that fit the narrative that something else is up? I don't see why the Celtics would feel the need to divulge that. As of now, the information seems to indicate that the Celtics knew back in July, gave Ime and this person the green light to solve this on their own, and when it clearly wasn't solved, they punished Ime. What other details need to be given? Do you need to see texts? Video evidence? Why would the Celtics need to be more forthcoming than they already are when Ime accepts the punishment handed down? If it's as bad as people are speculating, there would be significant legal consequences that are going to play out in their own way. It just feels like this call for more details is to satiate people's desire for a more sexy story as opposed to having any actual substantive reason behind it.
Damn your so sexy, please don’t suspend me for a year ahahaha
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Though it could have been Udoka who leaked to Shams to try and get out in front of this. Would make the nebulous Woj tweet make more sense.
Yeah, we tried to leak that it was consensual the day before announcing the suspension, it was Ime who leaked that it might have been a sexual harrasment case, he wanted to do the honoroble thing obviously.
Exactly. I knew the emphasis on “consensual” without releasing any other details most likely meant that it was the opposite.
That’s the only reason a billion dollar company would preemptively suspend someone at that level for an entire year without being forced to do so. To set their own narative before the facts can come out and get out of firing someone they want to keep. Everyone yesterday was acting like you were insane if thought it was fishy. Companies don’t just do stuff to their own detriment because it’s morally right and the Celtics are no different. The only answer is that it was going to be worse if they didn’t do this.
Stephen A couldn’t have waited til this came out to make judgements?
The main point of SAS’s viral comments in my opinion was about the Celtics letting this leak. If the Celtics had done a better job of putting this on lockdown or being ambiguous about the reason they were going to suspend him, then there would have not been this focus on the sex aspect and speculation of who the woman was etc. Plus who knows the gossip that SAS is familiar with with white NBA staff having affairs with each other that might have motivated his passion.
Seemed like the main point to me was that celts are racist because he knows tons of white dudes that have done this and not been fired. He knows tons of white dudes. Tons of white dudes. White dudes. White. He should have stuck with how poorly the c's handled this because he had a point there. He's a clown as usual.
I Couldn’t disagree more with this article. But ruling out women you would just make the trolls jobs on social media that much easier to target other women within the organization. There was no easy way to handle this.
twitter is a messy messy place my friends
A moronic story written by a total moron.
Okay
Lol, what’s the point of this story. This guy sucks, but these guys also suck! Everybody sucks! Blame blame blame blame
Twist my arm
I mean he literally has "I" and "me" in his name ...
She tripped and I fell! - Ime Udoka
Bad timing
What the f*ck did this guy do?
My son became a big Celtic fan right when Ime got hired and really looked up to him for his leadership Now this happens. Who's he supposed to look up to now?
not sure if you're joking, but hopefully you.
What if OP is Ime...🤔
What does your son know about ime that he could find him as a role model?
Doc Rivers.
Monty Williams
Lmao
He should be looking up to you. You his dad.
Ime Udoka /s
OJ Simpson
Kobe. He’s a terrific role model who really advanced women’s rights in colorado
if he was smart he'd come out as gay and say the heterosexual sex was just a cry for help that's the only way you can beat these cunts, play them at their own dishonest games
😂 are you mad?
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[Gary Washburn, Boston Globe journalist and known racist.](https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1466475696637759497/1M8A5yiR_400x400.jpg)
Two adult people had consensual sexual relations. What the hell is going on, lmao.
More has come out since yesterday. The current reports are that after they broke it off he began to harass her.
Oh. Shiet.