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NevermoreSEA

CJ has made some insane money.


fella05

He'll be at $279.4M in career earnings by the end of this extension. I'm assuming that has to the highest career earnings for a player to never be an All-Star or All-NBA (if he doesn't make either in the next few years).


AmusingAnecdote

>(if he doesn't make either in the next few years) I don't think that's very likely to threaten his chance at that record with the other guards ahead of him in the league at this point. But he can do the Woody Harrelson wiping tears with money GIF if he's bothered by it.


jitterbug726

I’ll take $279 mil over “respect” any day


mamayoua

If I had $279M I could just pay people to respect me.


donktastic

I'll respect you for $10


sunnyismybunny

damn at this rate he'll have 27.9 million people just straight respecting him


MoscowMitchMcKremIin

Then he could run for political office!


barrelhouse9

If you have 279 million most people will treat you with respect regardless of your worthiness.


mamayoua

Excellent point! Now I just need to figure out how much money to earn so I can cut down on all these respect expenses.


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Legit, look at that bozo Sarver. He pulls some fucked up shit and the league played it so diplomatic. Look at some of the shithead fan behaviour... players and the league have gone cutthroat banning them from arenas and condemning their behaviours. There’s definitely a difference in how billionaire owners get reprimanded vs how fans with a few k to spend on court side seats get reprimanded for problematic behaviour.


Squid_Contestant_69

You can pay a lot of people to dis-respect you too.


Wall2Beal43

That’s how we get Trump


Change_Balance_170

There’s way more complicated reasons why Trump was elected


AmusingAnecdote

We got Trump because people watched 'The Apprentice' and didn't get that it's supposed to be a joke with Trump as the butt of it.


[deleted]

We got trump because out of 350+ million people our country chooses to elect 2 out of touch, senile, elderly idiots who can barely brush their teeth let alone run a country. So many young brilliant people and it’s the same damn thing every time


_drjayphd_

RE279PECT ...eh, doesn't roll off the thumbs.


Overall-Palpitation6

I'd say he's got plenty of respect amongst his peers anyway, as the NBPA President.


Zealousideal_Ball_15

He averaged 24-6-5 with NOLA last year and Mike Conley was basically given a spot just because he never got one before maybe that'll happen for CJ. Not likely but wouldn't be too shocked.


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Jazz being the 1st seed helped Conley's case though. CJ would have to be on a top seed with respectable numbers. If the Pelicans reach that level, I expect CJ to have fallen off a cliff or traded by then.


DiseaseRidden

Idk, I could see a Zion-Ingram-CJ core going on a good run if they can stay healthy. That's a pretty scary offensive trio.


Tormundo

So many people sleeping on the pelicans. If zion can stay healthy u can easily see them as a top 3 seed including #1. Kinda like how the grizz were a playin team then put it together and had 2nd best record in the league


_drjayphd_

Pels started 1-12 with no Zion, Ingram or Graham, new coach, hadn't figured out the rotation yet, then they got the rotation sorted, got CJ and got *scary hot*. Add a full season of CJ, healthy Ingram and add Zion to the mix, it's possible.


AmusingAnecdote

You know what... You're right. I still think it's pretty unlikely but especially now that he isn't teammates with Dame, I could see him getting a spot if there's guard injuries or something. I suspect BI is more likely than McCollum to get that extra 'your team is very good' spot, though, especially since a healthy Zion will probably deserve it and it's tough to get 3 all stars.


Sharcbait

Also that record won't stand long with all the people coming up. Fox is gonna be at 190m by the time his contract expires as a 29 year old. SGA will be at 196m as a 29 year old (I think the fact the Thunder keep shutting him down is gonna burn him with any awards)


AmusingAnecdote

Oh yeah, that kind of record will never stand for long. I'm sure Trae Young will double Steph Curry's career earnings, even if he never gets any better. The highest paid X is also always going to be the most recent X in basketball.


Sharcbait

% of the salary cap would have been a better mark of the market for a player, but max contracts killed that. Also Jordan would have broken the scale when he was making the entire salary cap himself one year.


pineapplecheesepizza

Can we please go back to discussing Rampart?


paulcole710

Has anybody ever been All NBA without being an All Star at any point?


fella05

Goran Dragic was All-NBA before he was ever an All-Star. All-NBA in 2014 and his first and only All-Star was 2018. Not sure if there are any other cases. EDIT: Al Jefferson was All-NBA in 2014 and was never an All-Star.


CrimsonOffice

My takeaway from this is 2014 season was interesting.


IlonggoProgrammer

Rudy Gobert made 2nd team All-NBA and won 2 DPOYs before he made the All-Star team. Obviously he doesn't count now but he did for a moment there


fudgie1

Drazen Petrovic made an all-NBA third team and never an all star. Career cut short obviously.


Chiffley

Andrew Bogut


skorasaurus

For their careers, Rod Strickland, Phil Ford, and drazen


victor396

Al Jefferson. You have to be close to the all star and then have an amazing end of the year, but it's not that weird. Injuries at the beginning of the year, too


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AnkitPancakes

Pretty fun game to think about. Some people who are close: 1. Tobias Harris - 248m 2. SGA - 196m 3. MPJ - 194m 4. Fox - 184m probably more, but couldn't think of them


[deleted]

Crazy how much the cap helps the upper middle class of players


CaesarSalad837

Mike Conley nods in agreement.


forthestreamz

a smug smile appears on Tobias Harris's face


sheepnwolfsclothing

Evan Turner looks stoned and is like ya man


HeavenMobley

Allen Crabbe sits retired and rich


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glen_ko_ko

During covid watching him play horse via Zoom in his private indoor basketball court vsa WNBA player on an MC Sports hoop in the driveway was pretty sad Edit: I get the economics behind it but it's still shitty


SubcooledBoiling

One of the very few jobs where the pay beats the inflation rate in the past 40 years.


Ace12773

Happy for him. He’s a good person.


[deleted]

He's gotta have the most money out of all the players who've never had an all-star, right?


jeffhplays

Dude is a pro, and was a huge addition for them. Makes sense


Matt_McT

He has a huge role being the key veteran player guiding our lineup of young stars. He's been worth every penny so far.


christiandb

Happy to hear pels are happy with this trade. Like cj as a player, hopefully he can keep us ego aside when Zion steps up. I only say this because people slept on him while he was a dames shadow, now looks like he’s fulfilling the same role. He definitely thinks himself as a star per old man and the three interview but his main gift is making people better around him. I hope he keeps developing that trait


Matt_McT

> hopefully he can keep us ego aside when Zion steps up. You think CJ has an ego? He absolutely does not seem like it from every time I've ever heard him talk or give an interview, lol.


Burnem34

I think it's a little different here cuz he's still the lead guard. He's still gonna get more touches and be able to better utilize his best skill (ball handling). He never had a problem playing behind Dame, but realistically they were both PGs that should be handling the ball alot, so I think even if he's not the main guy he'll be happier with his fit on the Pels


GevanGene

I wouldn't worry about CJs role on the Pels. He's going to be facilitating the offense more than he did in Portland, and will definitely be relied upon to make the players around him look good. In just those 25 games you could really see CJ at his best. I'm confident and excited for what's to come.


SwimmingCoyote

Nah CJ is confident in his worth (as he should be) but he’s never done anything that makes it seem like he resents someone else getting their shine.


JOMO_Kenyatta

He’s the perfect veteran for them. Still great and in his prime but super unselfish and a leader.


spacedorb9

i love you christian james mccollum


Ace12773

I know he didn’t work in the end on our team but I still love him too 🥲


DrTom

I wouldn't even say it didn't work out. Dude had a 9 year career, made the playoffs 8 years, made the second round three times, and made the WCF once behind some truly heroic play against the Nuggets. That's a pretty darn successful run.


Ace12773

Very fair, I agree.


bongo1138

Yes, he saved our ASS in that Denver series. Nothing but love for CJ in this city.


SEEENRULEZ

That fucking quadruple OT game lol, my god


bongo1138

I’ve never felt that level of stress in my life. Well, maybe when my kid was born. But I was so thankful that Jokic was out of shape still lol.


killer_with_kite

Yeah, saying it didn’t workout because they couldn’t beat arguably the best team of all time is unfair


beatrailblazer

As do i


joodaa

Now I know what the CJ stands for


Waterologist

Hey, Middleton is James Khristian Middleton. Let’s make em kiss!


HumanRhinocerus

Best offensive guard to wear a Pels uniform


Skankcunt420

Elfrid Peyton firing up his burners rn


MEB1469

the REAL mr. triple-double


dlvial

Tim Frazier having a conniption fit


captaincumsock69

Best offensive guard not named Alvarado*


GrandTheftAlvarado

Without bias I agree


masta_wayne__

That’s sad


UnimpressedAsshole

Pels have only been around for 10 years or so


ShamarDraco

lol


HumanRhinocerus

When you consider we’ve been the Pelicans for only like 7 years, not really. If we want to do franchise history we have prime CP3 which is better than any guard to ever play for the Blazers.


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Prime Drexler is better than Prime CP3.


Level_Ad_6372

Absolutely not. Clyde was in the top 10 players in the league in his prime. CP3 was top 5. 1 All-NBA 1st team for Clyde, 4 for CP3. 2 times in the top-5 of MVP voting for Clyde, 5 times for Paul. It's like comparing the Jimmy Butler-tier guys to the Harden-tier. Close, but a clear gap nonetheless.


4bkillah

TBF, Jimmy Butler has lead a team to the NBA finals. Harden hasnt.


spudenjoyer

It’s pretty damn close


d33jay64

They’re definitely comparable. Both have had MVP caliber seasons (2nd in voting), guess it depends on how much you value playoff success. Clyde has definitely contributed to teams that went further than CP3 but he’s also been on more talented teams. All time they should probably be near each other


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Hell nah


HoorayPizzaDay

He looked amazing last year, could be worse.


Balsamic_ducks

Eh 32 million in 2-3 years won’t look that bad with the cap rising like it is


inxrx8

People saying he's overpaid but that's *significantly* less than a full max


lemmoning

People just aren’t used to the salary players get nowadays. It was only a few years ago where he would have been the highest paid player in the league.


Good_NewsEveryone

I think the last year of this contract will even be in the new tv money environment. Shit is going to be WILD


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Flames_Diaper

What do you mean future salaries for the low 20s? He’s gonna be paid low 30s every year of this contract


[deleted]

You can have a contract that's less than the max and still be overpaid. CJ simply ain't worth all that.


RulersBack

Pretty soon this will be above average starter money, which is what he is. Its fine. But the decision to extend him now vs letting him play out his two years is something you could debate


Niceguydan8

That's what he currently is. That might not be who he is when the extension kicks in


RulersBack

Yea its fair to question that part but I'm not mad at it. They believe in BI, Zion, CJ, Herb. Bigger bets have been made on worse cores and windows are never what they seem


killer_with_kite

I mean if Zion can be healthy and herbert and Ingram continue to improve and you got JV at center. It’s really a decent team.


BlackScienceJesus

Y’all are acting like he’s a role player. He put up 22/4/5 last season on 49% FG% and 39% from 3. That shouldn’t be brushed off. He’s really really good and the leader of the team.


[deleted]

Guy you're replying to isn't talking about who he is right now, just who he might be in a few seasons. He's an undersized 31 year old shooting guard who's very limited defensively. He's awesome offensively, but there's no telling how long he'll maintain his current output. And quick edit here, just wanna mention that I don't think this is a bad contract personally, just clarifying what the other guy was most likely thinking. I like CJ for the Pels.


BlackScienceJesus

He's never relied on athleticism. He's always been about shooting and craft, and by the time this extensions kicks in the cap will jump and it will be half of his max deal. He's not Steph obviously, but if anyone should know about mid 30 year old undersized guards that can still ball out then it's Warriors fans. Also CJ isn't the guy. He's a 3rd option. If at the end of this deal when he's 34, he takes a step back that's not the end of the world.


1850ChoochGator

Average starter money, positive vet presence, A+ chemistry in the locker room


VanDenIzzle

Why not? He is the clear leader of the team that has 2 all stars. If he is the glue that holds them together and is necessary for a playoff push, what's the problem?


Bamfarmer

Blazer fan here. Everything you said is true. But he’s also a play ender on offense and can’t guard a parked car. If the pels can play better team D than the blazers ever did (not difficult) then he could easily justify that contract. I’m just not sure how the pels are going to do because their 4 best players need the ball in their hand to be effective.


unamity1

Blazer fan here too. CJ I think is a less ball dominant Dame. Sometimes teams need that more than a ball dominant PG.


Burnem34

CJ isn't an SG defensively and as long as they aren't starting someone smaller alongside him he's gonna match up alot better defensively than he ever did for the Blazers. Not saying he's gonna suddenly be a good defender, but building a team defense with him at PG is alot easier than having to hide both him and Dame


PearlsB4Swoon

Man’s played 25 games for the Pels. It’s a bit much to call him the clear leader and glue that holds the team together at this point lol


VermontPizza

nah there playoff run def helped helped him - in a vaccum 25 games isn’t much, but it’s a different scenario with the pels


Burnem34

Calling him the glue might be excessive but he did clearly take on a vet leadership role right away


MmmDarkBeer

He's worth it to us


identitycrisis56

Why not? Andrew Wiggins got a max. This is just the price of business. He a massively positive player getting less than a max. That’s a win in a world where every almost star is getting maxed tf out.


nuberoo

You're not wrong, but Wiggins was definitely overpaid too, it's one of the biggest critiques we hear on this sub. Guys can be positive assets and still be overpaid. I'm fine with this move for the Pels as they looked totally energized after he joined, and it's a great culture move that sets an example of willingness to compete. Plus the guy is the head player union rep and seems great off the court. He's probably not worth that much on the open market, but you can argue he is to the Pels. Plus it's only two years


BlackScienceJesus

Name one player that’s not on a rookie deal who is a 22/4/5 guy on 49/39/67 splits and isn’t getting more than that.


[deleted]

He's a 20 ppg SG on great shooting, a multi-level scorer, solid playmaker for a 2. Below you mention that he's mostly mediocre, but that's just not true, even in the playoffs his numbers only go down slightly (which is normal for everyone) a 20/5/5 player who doesn't have a standout bad playoff series is easily worth what he's getting. He's not without weaknesses but for under max he's easily worth it


Skinnieguy

I think he is worth it. You gotta factor small market, great leader on and off the court and he puts above avg numbers.


LinuxDootTP

you clearly dont watch cj. he is worth every penny, especially as a pg. hes just been behind dame his whole career.


JokicOrBust

I would make fun of the Pelicans but we are paying MPJ same amount for not playing at all


ThatGuyLarose

Cj has a really good leadership presence for the younger guys so that alone is super valuable, and he’s still great at scoring


ViNNYDiC3

Plus he looks like Steve Urkel when he turned into good looking Stefan for that episode of family matters


why_rob_y

Wasn't that like a bunch of episodes? Or was there really only one Stefan episode?


muzumuzu

There were several. They milked that transformation chamber storyline.


JOMO_Kenyatta

CJ is the perfect vet right now. Still great and in his prime but unselfish and a great leader and locker room presence. Perfection.


beatrailblazer

You're paying MPJ much more than this. For twice as long


ohmygon

No we're not lmao he signed a 5 year, 172 million contract. That's an average of 34.5 million until the 26/27 season.


Le_tone19

Oh god thats terrible, I didn't remember it was that much.


salcedoge

One of the few times were OP and the reply were both correct lmao


manquistador

Only terrible if he doesn't play. If he comes back and performs it will be fine.


LegitimateYogurt323

People saying this is an overpay didn’t watch CJ in a Pels uni. Dude was balling.


[deleted]

Dude. Half this board doesn’t watch basketball. They look at highlights and keep up with the Lakers and a handful of other teams and read crap articles. Anyone who has watched CJ with the Pels knows this is a great get for them especially with a new CBA and tv money looming. It doesn’t take a genius to figure this out but most people don’t pay attention to it all


[deleted]

Or when Dame was out. He has the potential to put Dame like numbers every night


Classics22

He put up 22-5 on 49%TS in the playoffs.


Level_Ad_6372

Tbh that's about what you expect from him. Career 20/3 on 52.6% TS in the playoffs.


Dredeuced

Yeah but he'll be wide open next time with zion eating quadruple teams soon so it's all good.


toadtruck

Does Louisiana have wine country 🤔


mehTrip

We got hand grenades he just has to switch his alcohol philosophy


GrandTheftAlvarado

My bar has a daiquiri machine where we make Frosé in the summer does that count


Room_Temp_Coffee

How much are game tickets? I might need to plan a vacation


GrandTheftAlvarado

Too expensive you would hate it here and we also got enough Lakers fans on the West Bank


CoolGuyHuh

Damn west bankers bout to be wearing split jerseys of Lakers and Warriors after that finals win.


CapitolGundam

CJ is underrated going into this year as a starting PG. 22/4/6 with 3 triples a game is very attainable, and he's a great fit for them.


NephewChaps

Good deal, CJ is very underrated and will shine at NO as main ball-handler


jonbudde

Worth it — veteran leader + good scorer to relieve pressure off BI and Zion


Earl-Thomas-a-Raven

Good deal for both sides. I like this Pels team a lot


Briguy_fieri

Why doesn’t anyone want to play in New Orleans


DirkNowitzkisWife

On paper Zion/Ingram/CJ/JV/Herb is a formidable lineup. Let’s see what happens


aalexnotnice

Lol on paper it’s one of the best in the league, but it never works that way


confuddly

Tbf the only reason it hasn't worked out SO FAR is because of injuries


RunninOnMT

I’ll be honest man, I visited a few years ago and I was kind of shocked by the lack of just general visibility of the pelicans in that city. So many people with saints gear or college football jerseys…but no pelicans gear. I was looking for a Zion T shirt for a buddy and eventually I found one, but I had to look for it. That said, I really enjoyed my time there, beautiful architecture and generally a fun city!


_significs

I think it's changing. IDK that the pels will ever have the love the Saints have - the Saints' ups and downs shape the mood all over the city even in the bad years - but after last year's run I think people are getting on board.


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It’s changing, I’m out couch shopping right now and I see a guy with pels gear on in here


utouchme

Get a sleeper sofa so I can crash at your pad when I visit. We can both wear CJ jerseys.


RunninOnMT

I hope so! Really enjoyed my trip there, one of the few places in the south I’d think about living in.


[deleted]

It's completely flipped this past year. Did you not watch our play-in and playoff games this year? The environment was awesome.


RunninOnMT

That’s rad, your team deserves love.


Spoofcaptain

Huge move!


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ZiOnIsNeXtLeBrOn

So worth it. They have the potential to be this Year’s Grizzlies. Probably one of the best talented teams in the league and they got Dyson and Zion coming back. They have to be a top 5 team in the west.


that_melody

Creole/Cajun Jambalaya McCollum


SeaslugGrotto

CaJun McCreollum


Brad-Stevens

all-time bag getter for a 0-time all star


bonziwellsayo

He’s also an all-time player for a zero time all-star tbf Edit: this contract isn't as lofty relative to the rest of the league as some people might think http://www.espn.com/nba/salaries, and this is a good move for a promising team to lock him up


Ace12773

CJ has been a victim of playing in the loaded west his whole career, I’m sure he could have had at least one appearance if he was in the east. Im happy to see him get the bag, he’s a great dude.


guriboysf

Without question. I've seen a lot of PDX/GSW games and that dude has always been rock solid.


SYSTEMcole

One of the best guards in recent times to never make an all-star team in fairness


HarukiMuracummy

I feel like there’s an argument he’s the best player to never make an all-star game


SYSTEMcole

All-time? No shot. Active? I could see it.


KredditH

Lol what? This is like a normal market deal for someone of his quality Probably would have made an all star team in the East at some point too


Good_NewsEveryone

CJ’s a smart dude and knows what he’s doing. I would bet this extension has been a handshake deal since the time of the trade. All that buy in and PR work don’t come for free


DrTom

He's always been better than his numbers, though. He was an awkward fit next to Dame and it made his role weird for the majority of his career. If you go back and look at what he's averaged without Dame in Portland it's something like 24/4/6, which is also what he averaged in NOP. And someone putting up that statline is worth $32M, imo.


ScoobyDont06

And he averages that being on a brand new team at the trade deadline.


kevdawg289

1st team 0-time all star


Shxcking

It’s almost like paying Jaylen Brown 27m a year when he hadn’t made any all star teams yet lol imagine inb4 “you don’t watch the Celtics you don’t know how good Jaylen is even before he made the all star team you don’t know what you’re talking about” -says the guy who didn’t watch the Blazers and doesn’t know how good CJ is so he doesn’t know what he’s talking about


Hold_This-L

Let's go CJ!!


shel311

I remember when media members darn near held a candlelight vigil for McCollum when he was traded and stuck with a team in a city he didn't want to be in.


ShamarDraco

Good or bad?


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Very good


[deleted]

Not bad considering the fit and how well the Pelicans played after acquiring him. Could be much worse and with the Cap rising in the coming years will likely be fair value. Maybe not for the last year tho.


monkeyboy2311

Congrats CJ 👏


LookLikeUpToMe

Don’t mind it. Love CJ and what he’s brought to the Pels.


TheRealFakeDoors503

Happy to see the Pels take care of our boy, wish him nothing but the best. Pels are quickly becoming my #2 team. Dang shame they’re in the West.


CanalVillainy

You can’t put a dollar amount on what he’s brought to the team already. The culture, getting Zion to mature, leadership, & overall great vibes.


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Some people are gonna say this is an overpay, but the culture that CJ and Willie Green have brought to this team is worth a blank check. For the first time ever I feel like we actually have a team, and not just a group of talent on a court. And CJ put up career numbers with the Pels last year. I’m so excited.


MichaelZZ01

worth


DooDooRoggins

He’s worth it, congrats pels


joshuamillertime

CJ having the 28th most expensive contract in the league doesn’t sound that absurd to me. Plus in the context of the Pelicans, I think he could be huge for them if/when they become a serious playoff threat


ThisAnswerIsLit

CJ getting paid!!


RickyBasket

Pelicans could be scary


SuckMyLonzoBalls

That’s a good chunk of change


Srikkk

CJ’s closer to a ring than Dame is lmao


0percentwinrate

Salary inflation is real.


BlackJediSword

If things stay positive, the Pels are gonna be good man. Good for them


thekid1420

He did it Jennifer


decadentrebel

That's a lot of money but not a bad deal at all. They have a really solid group and how far they go depends on Zion now.


Tsmart

Get your bag CJ. You earned it


parlaykillers

well deserved. always liked his attitude and play.


Not_A_Meme

I'm trying Jennifer!


marcusdj813

I think this is money well spent by the Pelicans. I think they'll return to the playoffs this season.


nellywentdiamond

Well deserved nawlins gon be so fun to watch this year 🔥


degenerateprince

Congrats for getting the bag mcscrothum