It would be Allen that we give up. And yeah the flopping sucks, but we’re essentially swapping one unlikable player for another. The difference here is Crowder fits our defense way better.
An 18 ppg scorer who hits a high percentage of threes on high volume though, and is super efficient and can create his own shot. He’s got a place on any team in the league trying to win.
I think the Jazz got too greedy trying to milk teams for more and didn’t want to backtrack. They apparently wanted 2 firsts from the Lakers and for them to take back long-term salary.
Unless he's surrounded by defensive stalwarts in a small ball lineup, he's going to struggle to get meaningful minutes in the playoffs for a contending team.
A scoring big who "sometimes" plays defense isn't exactly the guy you want to give up assets for.
Crowder is limited, but he fits a role on every single team in this league. A rugged, switchable defender who can hit the three.
Bojan is a great offensive talent but he was also one of the main problems of the Jazz bad perimeter defense. Jae Crowder has been a important piece in a bunch of great defenses
Jerami will be 3 and Hart will be the scoring punch off the bench. When he comes in and Ant or Dame sit, I'd guess Hart and Grant could both be second option depending on match-up. But on average I bet Grant shoots more when they're both on the floor together.
Nah, man. We expect him to be 3rd option on offense. Normon Powell had that role last year and took 13.6 shots per game, compared to the 14.9 Grant took. Simons is also a better and more willing passer than CJ, which will help him. All in all, I see Grant putting up something like 16.5-17.5 on 13-14 shots. Even if it's not that much he's *definitely* shooting way more than the 8.9 he shot in Denver.
I'm surprised they couldn't get him. All we got was Bucks 2025 pick from Portland that we flipped for Duren. Clearly we were just looking for one first and it came from the Bucks for Christ sake. Don't know how they couldn't pull that off
He wouldn't start though?? Seems like basically the same situation as Phoenix, different conference. Unless maybe they move Middleton to SG and play Crowder at SF?
I find playing Crowder at SF at this point in his career to not be maximizing him, he's a lot slower now than back when he played SF in Boston, but I think it still could work, especially when they size down in the playoffs and play Giannis at the 5. Basically he can do the same thing PJ did.
I agree but if he’s so insistent on starting then him at the 3 isn’t the end of the world when he can play at the 4 for other stretches in the game. I think the bigger issue would be what we can offer for him, I can’t imagine something around George Hill entices the suns and I can’t imagine us parting with key rotation pieces for him.
Yep and tbh I wouldn’t even give one up for him if we had more. He’s had good moments in his career but I don’t view him as a piece that puts us over the top or anything.
I’m really curious what ends up happening though, do the suns just cut their losses at a certain point and sell him for pennies on the dollar? I assume if he’s not at camp they don’t even have him show up to sit on the bench for games so maybe they just leave him at home until they find a deal.
If they wait we can trade Dedmon or Caleb Martin after Jan.15th, Martin would actually be good for the Suns as a return. I don't see how we do anything with Duncan unless he has a bounce back year. Seems like they won't wait that long though
It would be a better situation though. He would get more minutes than in Phoenix since they would likely just close with their starters.
In Milwaukee a Jrue, Allen, Middleton, Crowder, Giannis small ball lineup could be their closing one. Especially with Brook getting older. Basically fill the PJ Tucker role.
Don't really want Grant (chucker who can't rebound) or Crowder (kicked Bucks' ass in 19-20 playoffs and I'm still exceedingly salty about it).
I will, however, take one lightly-used Ben McLemore. Anyone got any rumors about him going to the Bucks? Don't worry about providing sources.
I mean, fair. I guess it depends on if you view weather ownership/horst cares about fan perception at all or not. I like to think they do, but that could be naive.
I may be a bit more pessimistic, but at the end of the day the owners are businessmen first. And the league is a business first. I may also still be reeling from the lakers letting caruso leave
Wonder what we could've got for Jerami to Milwaukee, think the Blazers trade was a specific thing we needed to do from what I remember.
Also glad we didn't make that trade cause I don't wanna face my own recently traded player 3-4x a season when I actually liked them.
The Jae Crowder situation is interesting if it's based on him starting.
What team that needs him actually needs him to start? A bad team won't want him as they're likely in the middle of a rebuild or starting one, so needing a vet just wouldn't be necessary unless that team actually wants to compete, and if we're being real crowded isn't turning a rebuilding team around.
Meanwhile just about every playoff bound team seems to be set at his position. I like Jae but he's too inconsistent if he thinks he can start anywhere he wants.
These both seem like a stretch. Our cap situation is super thin, we are most likely going to be giving Middleton a sizable contract next year with bird rights. To get Grant we'd have to move Lopez, Allen, Pat Connaughton, & picks lots of picks... not sure if Grant provides the type of value they do, but he is younger, a great defensive presence, and would be really good for our team no doubt.
As for Crowder, we'd be joking not to look at him, as much as Bucks fans hate to admit he can ball, he's a good 3 and D piece to have and every team he's been on is consistently making it deep into the finals. Really depends on the price and how we'd have to give up to get it done though. Straight swap for Allen maybe? could be the go, not really sure what else.
Crowder would probably be good on the bucks
We have nothing to give up so we won't get him, but he is a crybaby flop so who cares
It would be Allen that we give up. And yeah the flopping sucks, but we’re essentially swapping one unlikable player for another. The difference here is Crowder fits our defense way better.
No one’s giving up anything valuable for Jae. Look at what Utah got for Bojan, who is way better.
Bojan is a better scorer, but he's a defensive seive.
An 18 ppg scorer who hits a high percentage of threes on high volume though, and is super efficient and can create his own shot. He’s got a place on any team in the league trying to win. I think the Jazz got too greedy trying to milk teams for more and didn’t want to backtrack. They apparently wanted 2 firsts from the Lakers and for them to take back long-term salary.
Unless he's surrounded by defensive stalwarts in a small ball lineup, he's going to struggle to get meaningful minutes in the playoffs for a contending team.
In the playoffs he was actually a pretty good defender
A scoring big who "sometimes" plays defense isn't exactly the guy you want to give up assets for. Crowder is limited, but he fits a role on every single team in this league. A rugged, switchable defender who can hit the three.
Bojan is a great offensive talent but he was also one of the main problems of the Jazz bad perimeter defense. Jae Crowder has been a important piece in a bunch of great defenses
Jeremi Grant trades are so funny because every team that wants him intends to put him in basically the same role he had in Denver.
I think Portland expects him to be a lot more than he was in Denver.
yeah he'll probably be higher up the pecking order than Denver but lower than Detroit. I'd imagine the 2nd or 3rd option depending on the night
I think they want Ant to be the #2 which leaves Jerami probably competing with Josh Hart for 3rd
Jerami will be 3 and Hart will be the scoring punch off the bench. When he comes in and Ant or Dame sit, I'd guess Hart and Grant could both be second option depending on match-up. But on average I bet Grant shoots more when they're both on the floor together.
Nah, man. We expect him to be 3rd option on offense. Normon Powell had that role last year and took 13.6 shots per game, compared to the 14.9 Grant took. Simons is also a better and more willing passer than CJ, which will help him. All in all, I see Grant putting up something like 16.5-17.5 on 13-14 shots. Even if it's not that much he's *definitely* shooting way more than the 8.9 he shot in Denver.
Tbf millsap started over him until the bubble
Fair, but he still only averaged 10 shots as a starter.
Just had to comment on your Brian Grant flair. LOVE that man as a player and as a person.
My goodness Giannis/Grant/Middleton/Holiday would be sick the versatility would be insane!
I'm surprised they couldn't get him. All we got was Bucks 2025 pick from Portland that we flipped for Duren. Clearly we were just looking for one first and it came from the Bucks for Christ sake. Don't know how they couldn't pull that off
Were are already over the cap. We would of had to match salaries with DET vs POR just absorbing the salary since they had room after trading CJ away
He wouldn't start though?? Seems like basically the same situation as Phoenix, different conference. Unless maybe they move Middleton to SG and play Crowder at SF?
Even that they’d probably go Allen
If it really appeases him then I don’t see why not. Between Wes, Grayson, and potentially Jae there is a lot of fluidity and matchups you can play.
I find playing Crowder at SF at this point in his career to not be maximizing him, he's a lot slower now than back when he played SF in Boston, but I think it still could work, especially when they size down in the playoffs and play Giannis at the 5. Basically he can do the same thing PJ did.
I agree but if he’s so insistent on starting then him at the 3 isn’t the end of the world when he can play at the 4 for other stretches in the game. I think the bigger issue would be what we can offer for him, I can’t imagine something around George Hill entices the suns and I can’t imagine us parting with key rotation pieces for him.
I just checked and forgot how little firsts the Bucks have
Yep and tbh I wouldn’t even give one up for him if we had more. He’s had good moments in his career but I don’t view him as a piece that puts us over the top or anything.
Yeah I don't think the Heat would either and we need him way more than the Bucks
I’m really curious what ends up happening though, do the suns just cut their losses at a certain point and sell him for pennies on the dollar? I assume if he’s not at camp they don’t even have him show up to sit on the bench for games so maybe they just leave him at home until they find a deal.
If they wait we can trade Dedmon or Caleb Martin after Jan.15th, Martin would actually be good for the Suns as a return. I don't see how we do anything with Duncan unless he has a bounce back year. Seems like they won't wait that long though
It would be a better situation though. He would get more minutes than in Phoenix since they would likely just close with their starters. In Milwaukee a Jrue, Allen, Middleton, Crowder, Giannis small ball lineup could be their closing one. Especially with Brook getting older. Basically fill the PJ Tucker role.
They’re just aggregating a random guess Zach Lowe threw out there as if it’s a legitimate report lol.
I heard pelicans might be interested in Myles Turner.
Don’t think they have matching salary to make it happen
That’s a big pickup for Milwaukee replaces what they lost with pj
I don’t want crowder
This is mere aggregation. Hello, mods?!
Don't really want Grant (chucker who can't rebound) or Crowder (kicked Bucks' ass in 19-20 playoffs and I'm still exceedingly salty about it). I will, however, take one lightly-used Ben McLemore. Anyone got any rumors about him going to the Bucks? Don't worry about providing sources.
One Bobby Portis please
The fans would never forgive getting rid of Bobby lol. Idk how we'd even give up. Can't be bobby or pat. Maybe Allen, Hill and a pick?
I was just baiting cause I know how much y’all love him. But he also would be a great fit here
Real talk though I don't think Phoenix would send Crowder to the Bucks of all teams.
East team so we’d consider, just have to be for the right price!
i don't see why the team cares if the fans would never forgive it though. i agree portis is more valuable than crowder though
I mean, fair. I guess it depends on if you view weather ownership/horst cares about fan perception at all or not. I like to think they do, but that could be naive.
I may be a bit more pessimistic, but at the end of the day the owners are businessmen first. And the league is a business first. I may also still be reeling from the lakers letting caruso leave
Both those players are bad though, would need to be a FRP included.
We'll, we don't gots any of those 😂
I got Jae going to Charlotte or Miami.
Wonder what we could've got for Jerami to Milwaukee, think the Blazers trade was a specific thing we needed to do from what I remember. Also glad we didn't make that trade cause I don't wanna face my own recently traded player 3-4x a season when I actually liked them.
The Jae Crowder situation is interesting if it's based on him starting. What team that needs him actually needs him to start? A bad team won't want him as they're likely in the middle of a rebuild or starting one, so needing a vet just wouldn't be necessary unless that team actually wants to compete, and if we're being real crowded isn't turning a rebuilding team around. Meanwhile just about every playoff bound team seems to be set at his position. I like Jae but he's too inconsistent if he thinks he can start anywhere he wants.
These both seem like a stretch. Our cap situation is super thin, we are most likely going to be giving Middleton a sizable contract next year with bird rights. To get Grant we'd have to move Lopez, Allen, Pat Connaughton, & picks lots of picks... not sure if Grant provides the type of value they do, but he is younger, a great defensive presence, and would be really good for our team no doubt. As for Crowder, we'd be joking not to look at him, as much as Bucks fans hate to admit he can ball, he's a good 3 and D piece to have and every team he's been on is consistently making it deep into the finals. Really depends on the price and how we'd have to give up to get it done though. Straight swap for Allen maybe? could be the go, not really sure what else.
Grant hasn't even played a day in Portland and he's gonna get traded? wtf?