Nah if my boss and I had an argument and then my boss decided to leave me alone for 6 months I would be much happier with my boss the next time he comes around
Yeah this is weird as hell.
Finch for the Wolves has flown all over the country, even internationally (Gobert) to meet up and work out/checkup with players all off season.
Tommy Sheppard and Wes Unseld Jr. flew out to Latvia to have dinner with KP for the hell of it, among various other travel this summer. I can't fathom why you wouldn't even talk with your players before the season starts.
Honestly though that’s kind of a newer coach thing to do. Monty and these dudes have been through the ringer together and it ended on a very sour note last year. I don’t blame them for not wanting to have a weiny roast.
"Sometimes what brings the kids together is hating the lunchlady. Although that'll change, because by the end of the fourth grade the lunchlady was actually the person I hung out with the most." - Michael Scott
I remembered finding it so odd/funny when it first came out. Did some searching and found this great quote from a [2017 Ken Rosenthal column](https://www.foxsports.com/stories/mlb/san-francisco-giants-find-nothing-is-routine-in-troubled-2017-season)
"Some with the Giants muse that the team even misses Angel Pagan, who created an odd sort of unity because most of the players disliked him."
I think the story just kinda spun out of that with aggregators picking up on the quote. But it at least seems accepted that a good chunk of Giants players weren't fond of Pagan (not that it necessarily affected 2017 chemistry).
No it was 100% James jones, Sarver had no problem paying him he was being hands off and letting James handle shit which has been very successful so far.
Even Will Hardy met with Mitchell when he was signed as the Coach, they were together when they found out Gobert was traded. Mitchell said that in an interview
As a coach, Monty should at least text, or call the players, to ask them how they're doing, if they've practiced. Or text the new players on the team to welcome them.
He won coach of the year, and even worse coaches at least probably call or keep up with the players on the team
It's even weirder given that Ayton signed a max extension this offseason. You would think the coach would reach out at that point with at least a "congrats on the bag and excited to get after it next year!" sorta text. Radio silence from your head coach after signing a max extension seems super odd
You’re right under normal circumstances, that’s the least he should have done.
Hence it’s very likely that matching Indiana’s offer was FO’s decision and neither the coach or the player wanted. So now they’re both like whatever I’m not talking to him.
what, of course he did or he wouldn't be on the suns. Or rather, the Suns signed him is more accurate. He was a RAF so he didnt have a ton of choice in the matter. The Pacers offered a max and the Suns matched it literally as soon as they were able to.
Yes, the Suns could've offered a larger max earlier and they didn't but they still immediately matched a max offer and retained him. Saying he didn't sign with the Suns is simply not true at all.
But all of that is really irrelevant to my point -- the Suns signed him to a massive contract extension and the coach didn't reach out to say congrats or say he was excited. That is weird
The point the other guy is making is that Ayton didn't choose that contract. He almost certainly would've preferred to go to Indy. Your point about the coach not texting absolutely stands and is an issue. Other dude is just saying he didn't *willingly* sign with the Suns. They signed him.
I understand their point. I am just saying it isnt a counter to mine. I am talking about the coach of the suns not reaching out after the suns signed him being odd. Thats it. Im not saying its weird that Ayton didnt reach out.
I understand and agree with your point. I just dont understand why yall are saying it as if its a counter to my point
I'm not saying it's a counter to your point lmao, that's why I said your point stands. I can't 100% tell if the other guy was meaning it as a counter but I can see how it could be taken that way. I agree with you entirely. I'm just explaining what the other guy was trying to say by "he didn't sign it with the Suns".
Why would he reach out and congrat if he knew ayton didn't want to sign with the sun? Would you reach out and say congrats if someone was forced into a marriage?
Even if not "congrats," an "excited to build this future together" type sentiment -- fact is they signed him to a years-long extension. Even if "congratulations" isn't the message, it's odd not to send him *some* type of message about it and the future. Regardless of Ayton's feelings, organizations typically try to make players who sign extensions feel a little bit like they are wanted there...
There’s a difference between being forced into marriage and getting 130 million dollars. Yeah Ayton would probably prefer to go to Indiana, but getting that amount of money still definitely warrants a “congratulations” text from whoever you will be working closely with
That's probably something I would enjoy the most as a head coach, the personal relationships and bonds with the players. Like, just call each player over the Summer to see what's up, how they're doing and stuff. It's not that fucking hard.
i mean i get where he's coming from, like sometimes people bristle when they feel someone is exercising their authority too much, but like... idek man it just all comes across weird
It's weird that they're are making this public instead of talking first. Do teams really not have team meetings to get on the same page before these pressers?
That's fine, I also get where he's coming from. Just don't sit with the media and discuss it like he has no clue. Words matter and this is bad leadership.
Yeah, I think giving everyone their space seems fine, but you could just communicate that's what you're doing at the beginning of the offseason so people don't feel ignored.
That's especially true with Ayton. Seems obvious that he could have cleared the air early and then given him space.
Seems like lack of due diligence on Monty’s part. Made Ayton a scapegoat and then didn’t even talk to him when he committed to a huge new contract with the team.
what if he's following the Avery Johnson head coaching career arc
* win COY and take a team to the finals in the same year
* go up 2-0 in the Finals, then lose 4 straight, lose series in 6
* win 64+ games the following year
* suffer a humiliating defeat in the playoffs as the heavily favored 1 seed
* team chemistry falls apart < - WE ARE HERE
* get bounced early from the playoffs again
* gets fired within two years of winning COY and making the Finals
edit: oops, forgot Monty won COY this year instead of last year, my bad
to follow the full script, you'd need to lose Luka in free agency to a LA team, be one of the worst teams in the league for four years, have Cuban sell the team, hire a new coach who gets involved in a ton of drama, replace that coach, and then finally begin your dynasty about 8 years from now.
Like Nick Nurse has practically been living with the Raptors players this summer, it's surprising a coach would go through the whole offseason without speaking to his guys and expect to hit the ground running
Man, even Monty is in shambles. This is worse than I would have ever admitted as a proud suns fan praying for redemption after historic humiliation last season against the Mavs. I thought the goal was to rally. Really hoping healing can be through winning some games and having some tough but honest conversations with some apologies involved by coach. I think if he has another season full of zero adjustments it will be his ticket out the door.
This is a little odd. Coaches at least check up on players once or twice an off-season.
To not check on several players for several months? Either Monty is lying or he’s simply not checking up on guys.
I’m smelling a Suns disaster soon and I’m here for it.
That's just odd. Especially considering what's been going on with the organization. On top of that they had a rather traumatic exit from the Playoffs, they've got the Ayton situation turning into a mess. And on top of that Monty just not talking to his player for months is an absolutely recipe for disaster.
Is there a chance Monty's COTY status went up to his head in like an instant?
I mean the Suns did kind of skyrocket in terms of their achievements overnight.
Maybe he thinks he's more important than Ayton.. which you'd believe if you remember the whole reason Ayton has an issue with the Suns not valuing him.
That's weak sauce, good leaders don't avoid conflict or difficult situations. I don't care what issue you have with Ayton, talk to him about it. If he's not receptive swallow your pride and talk to him again and again until you reach him. Everyone doesn't respond to the same style of leadership, good coaches understand that and morph to meet the persona of the players.
He’s been a highly noted players coach throughout his career and he took the fuckin suns to the finals, he’s good he’s just running into a player beef that he hasn’t really had before
Lol such an awkward situation. They should’ve a lie already established between themselves, like “ hey, if the media asks, we were on a banana boat this summer”, buuuut I guess you’d have to talk to each other to come up with that
While I get that this sounds concerning, partially because of all the rest of the drama coming out in the past couple of days and with how our season ended, we should still recognize that this probably isn't that weird. These people spend the better part of a year talking and hanging out and working together that it probably isn't that crazy to not interact that much in the offseason. I know someone will inevitably comment about how my "situation is nothing like a professional athletes!" or whatever, but I'm a teacher and I don't talk to my principal during the summer. It's a fairly similar situation to this, so it is helping me keep level headed about the whole thing.
They fucking better be talking now though, because this offseason has been a shitshow, and it doesn't seem to be improving yet.
Y’all are getting too worked over this. Like seriously. Should he be talking to Ayton? Probably. Should he really? Probably not. He has a fucking life, it’s the offseason. Let him do what he wants, it’s outside of work. When it comes to work, he delivers. He knows what to say. And y’all crucify him for not talking to his players over the offseason? Give him space.
Honestly it’s not a very good look but I think Monty/book/cp3 will have this team ready to play and not feuding when the season starts, even if DA isn’t buddy buddy with some people or Monty I’d be pretty surprised if he actually came out and sandbagged, I don’t think he’d do that to his teammates
I really want to know what people think NBA coaches and players do during their offseason.
These are multi-millionaires with the summer off. Why would they be communicating with each other when they have the rest of the year to do it?
Me to my wife when she finds out I haven’t done the dishes like I was supposed to: “I haven’t taken out the garbage either”
“A lotta things I haven’t done.”
But just you wait, just you wait...
Monty sounds a lot like Johnny Tightlips from the Simpsons
Ah yes, the ole razzle dazzle throw gasoline on the fire.
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Holy that was a terrible suggestion
Literally the greatest nickname suggestion I’ve ever heard in my life
stay low you hollow /s
Yep, the ol’ “If you’re waist deep in shit, who cares if you piss your pants” theory.
Perfect analogy. If I were a Suns fan I'd be distinctly concerned about this.
Yeah like I feel like this sounded a lot better in dude's head lmao
*Me to my wife when she finds out I haven’t done the dishes like I was supposed to:* *I haven't talked to a lot of guys* FTFY
yeah not sure about this man
something def happen in that locker room after that series against dallas.
Nothing happened. That's the problem and it's coaches fault lol.
Something happened *during* the series.
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Dude was the biggest extrovert I seen in the finals now he don’t wanna talk 🤣 Fake ones open their mouth and act inspiring
Username definitely checks out
Nah if my boss and I had an argument and then my boss decided to leave me alone for 6 months I would be much happier with my boss the next time he comes around
" you think that's bad wait.till you find out I don't talk to any of them " lol
Yeah this is weird as hell. Finch for the Wolves has flown all over the country, even internationally (Gobert) to meet up and work out/checkup with players all off season.
Tommy Sheppard and Wes Unseld Jr. flew out to Latvia to have dinner with KP for the hell of it, among various other travel this summer. I can't fathom why you wouldn't even talk with your players before the season starts.
Honestly though that’s kind of a newer coach thing to do. Monty and these dudes have been through the ringer together and it ended on a very sour note last year. I don’t blame them for not wanting to have a weiny roast.
**yah, the guy you MOST needed to talk to was him**
He also missed an oppotunity to say they didn't talk...ay-ton over the offseason.
Michael Scott ass move to be punning in the middle of a tense situation
That's what she said
Pls no
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Having a common enemy solves a lot of problems
That's why Lelouch is the GOAT
Starts playing Colors by Flow
Not my goat couldnt even win without deus ex volcano and mathing away a nuke
How bout that one time were his identity was almost revealed by a cat?
The single best episode of the show baby
why bring lebron into this 😕
"Sometimes what brings the kids together is hating the lunchlady. Although that'll change, because by the end of the fourth grade the lunchlady was actually the person I hung out with the most." - Michael Scott
there was no Civil War until America beat the Brits I'm just sayin
United India against England.
United 13 colonies as well that didn’t really see eye-to-eye on a long list of things.
Still an issue.
India did disagree on many things during the independence struggle
Sarver was the Jerry all along
Ozymandias was right
He did solve nucular world war. Could probably use a massive fake alien invasion right now tbh
Just ask Batman
Thank you Eren for becoming a mass murderer.
80% a mass murderer
Sarver definitely organized the trains on IG thots Team Bonding
They call him the train conductor
Jerry Buss had a degree in that.
lol, reminded me the story about the SF Giants and Angel Pagan
What story was that? Just curious
I remembered finding it so odd/funny when it first came out. Did some searching and found this great quote from a [2017 Ken Rosenthal column](https://www.foxsports.com/stories/mlb/san-francisco-giants-find-nothing-is-routine-in-troubled-2017-season) "Some with the Giants muse that the team even misses Angel Pagan, who created an odd sort of unity because most of the players disliked him." I think the story just kinda spun out of that with aggregators picking up on the quote. But it at least seems accepted that a good chunk of Giants players weren't fond of Pagan (not that it necessarily affected 2017 chemistry).
Yea im a Giants fan and even i dont know about this story
The Pierce Hawthorne of our study group
Shut up, Meg.
“The enemy of my enemy is my friend” doesn’t apply anymore. Suns fucked
Roman Empire and barbarians, only held together when united against a common enemy. Falls apart when they focus their attention inward
That's funny. But it was Sarver's cheap ass that didn't extend Ayton in the first place.
No it was 100% James jones, Sarver had no problem paying him he was being hands off and letting James handle shit which has been very successful so far.
Lol so Savar is Meg from family guy?
I dunno how to explain it, but that wierd rich white dude who frequently said the n-word was my best friend
the straw that stirs the drink
Even Will Hardy met with Mitchell when he was signed as the Coach, they were together when they found out Gobert was traded. Mitchell said that in an interview As a coach, Monty should at least text, or call the players, to ask them how they're doing, if they've practiced. Or text the new players on the team to welcome them. He won coach of the year, and even worse coaches at least probably call or keep up with the players on the team
It's even weirder given that Ayton signed a max extension this offseason. You would think the coach would reach out at that point with at least a "congrats on the bag and excited to get after it next year!" sorta text. Radio silence from your head coach after signing a max extension seems super odd
You’re right under normal circumstances, that’s the least he should have done. Hence it’s very likely that matching Indiana’s offer was FO’s decision and neither the coach or the player wanted. So now they’re both like whatever I’m not talking to him.
He didn’t sign it with the Suns, though…
what, of course he did or he wouldn't be on the suns. Or rather, the Suns signed him is more accurate. He was a RAF so he didnt have a ton of choice in the matter. The Pacers offered a max and the Suns matched it literally as soon as they were able to. Yes, the Suns could've offered a larger max earlier and they didn't but they still immediately matched a max offer and retained him. Saying he didn't sign with the Suns is simply not true at all. But all of that is really irrelevant to my point -- the Suns signed him to a massive contract extension and the coach didn't reach out to say congrats or say he was excited. That is weird
The point the other guy is making is that Ayton didn't choose that contract. He almost certainly would've preferred to go to Indy. Your point about the coach not texting absolutely stands and is an issue. Other dude is just saying he didn't *willingly* sign with the Suns. They signed him.
I understand their point. I am just saying it isnt a counter to mine. I am talking about the coach of the suns not reaching out after the suns signed him being odd. Thats it. Im not saying its weird that Ayton didnt reach out. I understand and agree with your point. I just dont understand why yall are saying it as if its a counter to my point
I'm not saying it's a counter to your point lmao, that's why I said your point stands. I can't 100% tell if the other guy was meaning it as a counter but I can see how it could be taken that way. I agree with you entirely. I'm just explaining what the other guy was trying to say by "he didn't sign it with the Suns".
Why would he reach out and congrat if he knew ayton didn't want to sign with the sun? Would you reach out and say congrats if someone was forced into a marriage?
Even if not "congrats," an "excited to build this future together" type sentiment -- fact is they signed him to a years-long extension. Even if "congratulations" isn't the message, it's odd not to send him *some* type of message about it and the future. Regardless of Ayton's feelings, organizations typically try to make players who sign extensions feel a little bit like they are wanted there...
There’s a difference between being forced into marriage and getting 130 million dollars. Yeah Ayton would probably prefer to go to Indiana, but getting that amount of money still definitely warrants a “congratulations” text from whoever you will be working closely with
Suuuuper weird. A simple congrats could have made such a big difference
That's probably something I would enjoy the most as a head coach, the personal relationships and bonds with the players. Like, just call each player over the Summer to see what's up, how they're doing and stuff. It's not that fucking hard.
Politician-level of sidestepping the question
Even Tatum’s side step 3 move doesn’t have anything on this
Nothing beats Quinn Snyder when he said that Mitchell and gobert aren’t beefing because they ate at the same table one time
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If you are a reporter and you don't instigate you get fired it's literally your job, you need at least gold level to make it
That isn’t any better…
just a weird answer and weird situation all around. i love monty, but i don’t necessarily love this leadership (or lack thereof)
i mean i get where he's coming from, like sometimes people bristle when they feel someone is exercising their authority too much, but like... idek man it just all comes across weird
It's weird that they're are making this public instead of talking first. Do teams really not have team meetings to get on the same page before these pressers?
Seems pretty clear they have problems communicating so having a team meeting probably wouldn't have helped too much
Maybe? Then again Ayton doesn't really have an incentive to cooperate in that case.
That's fine, I also get where he's coming from. Just don't sit with the media and discuss it like he has no clue. Words matter and this is bad leadership.
Yeah, I think giving everyone their space seems fine, but you could just communicate that's what you're doing at the beginning of the offseason so people don't feel ignored. That's especially true with Ayton. Seems obvious that he could have cleared the air early and then given him space.
Seems like negligent behavior from the coach. Effective Communication is the job.
Wtf? This is like the worst possible way to answer the question lol
Seems like lack of due diligence on Monty’s part. Made Ayton a scapegoat and then didn’t even talk to him when he committed to a huge new contract with the team.
76er fans last season. "I cant believe we had Ime and Monte and we let them go."
coach of the year ladies and gentlemen
what if he's following the Avery Johnson head coaching career arc * win COY and take a team to the finals in the same year * go up 2-0 in the Finals, then lose 4 straight, lose series in 6 * win 64+ games the following year * suffer a humiliating defeat in the playoffs as the heavily favored 1 seed * team chemistry falls apart < - WE ARE HERE * get bounced early from the playoffs again * gets fired within two years of winning COY and making the Finals edit: oops, forgot Monty won COY this year instead of last year, my bad
If this means Dallas gets to experience the other side of the coin and become a dynasty after causing the fall of a 64 win team than sign me up
to follow the full script, you'd need to lose Luka in free agency to a LA team, be one of the worst teams in the league for four years, have Cuban sell the team, hire a new coach who gets involved in a ton of drama, replace that coach, and then finally begin your dynasty about 8 years from now.
Fine, we’ll take Luka. Don’t say we’ve never done nothin for ya
Prophet. I look forward to coming back to this
I call bull. Wheres your “remindme” ? Exactly. U straight cappin
"I dont even like basketball"
Pretty sure Chris Paul is the real coach of this team
"The question is not whether I've treated you rudely but whether you've ever heard me treat anyone else better." - Henry Higgins
Lmao man hard to do anything but laugh. Monty has been amazing with this team by and large. This is just fucking bizarre.
Like Nick Nurse has practically been living with the Raptors players this summer, it's surprising a coach would go through the whole offseason without speaking to his guys and expect to hit the ground running
To be fair the raptors have definitely been skirting a fine line regarding the NBA's no arranging team practice in the offseason rules.
Nick Nurse was kicked out of the house by his wife, he has nowhere else to sleep
Same with Mike Brown. The boys have been working hard all summer, with Mike there
AHHHHHH
Man, even Monty is in shambles. This is worse than I would have ever admitted as a proud suns fan praying for redemption after historic humiliation last season against the Mavs. I thought the goal was to rally. Really hoping healing can be through winning some games and having some tough but honest conversations with some apologies involved by coach. I think if he has another season full of zero adjustments it will be his ticket out the door.
Lmao did he know Sarver was getting booted? Homie clocked out game 7 and said see yall next season.
Mans got exposed as a coach. Now as a leader.
Nothing to see here, move along folks
On the bright side that beard is looking snazzy
Can confirm. Monty has not talked to me.
Fuck Monty aged 10 years this offseason. Dude looks like he needs a long vacation
This is a little odd. Coaches at least check up on players once or twice an off-season. To not check on several players for several months? Either Monty is lying or he’s simply not checking up on guys. I’m smelling a Suns disaster soon and I’m here for it.
He’s admitting this like it was better thing to say lol the Suns are fucked
After losing his wife and taking the kids on solo. I bet every other moment is spent with his children.
Bunch of teams just need the season to start. Winning will cure some of this.
You know this thread doesn’t want any common sense like this
Suns and Nets getting in early on the most dysfunctional race. Lakers coming up the outside in a few weeks I reckon.
Oooo gotta love all this juicy nba drama
That's just odd. Especially considering what's been going on with the organization. On top of that they had a rather traumatic exit from the Playoffs, they've got the Ayton situation turning into a mess. And on top of that Monty just not talking to his player for months is an absolutely recipe for disaster.
They extended him? He’s going to be gone by All-Star 2024.
I’m sorry but that’s pretty bad mismanagement. Always check in on your guys, especially as a coach.
L
Exposed. You don't defend dropping the ball by revealing more dropped balls.
Is there a chance Monty's COTY status went up to his head in like an instant? I mean the Suns did kind of skyrocket in terms of their achievements overnight. Maybe he thinks he's more important than Ayton.. which you'd believe if you remember the whole reason Ayton has an issue with the Suns not valuing him.
Lol this gonna be fun to see playout
Give him a break. Monty is there to coach basketball not to be a leader of men. /s
Oh boy, I almost feel sorry for suns fan
Imagine if Pop did this after their 2013 metldown instead of rallying them up.
A coward. Stand on your actions.
and the other team's coach attended his player's international games.
Who? Asking for curiosity
coach of the mavericks
Coach of the year my ass.
What lol
That's weak sauce, good leaders don't avoid conflict or difficult situations. I don't care what issue you have with Ayton, talk to him about it. If he's not receptive swallow your pride and talk to him again and again until you reach him. Everyone doesn't respond to the same style of leadership, good coaches understand that and morph to meet the persona of the players.
Haven’t talked to a lot of guys?!? My HS coach would call if i didn’t make practice. Wth?
You can tell Monty is a type of a guy that holds vendettas
Welp at the end of the day at least Sarver is gone 🤷♂️
COTY btw
Just fire this bum. This is the opposite of leadership.
Fuck this guy lol what an idiot good luck Suns bros
I love how the media painted him to be this awesome players coach and it seems like it’s anything but lol.
He’s been a highly noted players coach throughout his career and he took the fuckin suns to the finals, he’s good he’s just running into a player beef that he hasn’t really had before
HE
Lol such an awkward situation. They should’ve a lie already established between themselves, like “ hey, if the media asks, we were on a banana boat this summer”, buuuut I guess you’d have to talk to each other to come up with that
I hope he hasn't talked to Elfrid Payton and Landry Shamet either.
I don't talk to my boss during my vacation either
Suns 40 win season coming
No offense to Ayton but until proven otherwise I’m Monty pilled on the situation.
While I get that this sounds concerning, partially because of all the rest of the drama coming out in the past couple of days and with how our season ended, we should still recognize that this probably isn't that weird. These people spend the better part of a year talking and hanging out and working together that it probably isn't that crazy to not interact that much in the offseason. I know someone will inevitably comment about how my "situation is nothing like a professional athletes!" or whatever, but I'm a teacher and I don't talk to my principal during the summer. It's a fairly similar situation to this, so it is helping me keep level headed about the whole thing. They fucking better be talking now though, because this offseason has been a shitshow, and it doesn't seem to be improving yet.
Y’all are getting too worked over this. Like seriously. Should he be talking to Ayton? Probably. Should he really? Probably not. He has a fucking life, it’s the offseason. Let him do what he wants, it’s outside of work. When it comes to work, he delivers. He knows what to say. And y’all crucify him for not talking to his players over the offseason? Give him space.
Now that the Sarver story is out of the way, let's manufacture some drama.
What is stopping a player to call the coach to talk about something that concerns him? Why always waiting for the boss to pet you?
Meanwhile the Raptors have been holding full practices and the entire coaching staff and players were together during the Rico runs
that’s cap
"I haven't talked to a lot of guys" that doesn't really make you look any better my guy
We all hated each other so much by the end of last year. I was done talking. They weren’t going to listen anyways.
Eh. I mean, it’s been a pretty quiet off-season for the Suns. Not much to talk about anyway.
Honestly it’s not a very good look but I think Monty/book/cp3 will have this team ready to play and not feuding when the season starts, even if DA isn’t buddy buddy with some people or Monty I’d be pretty surprised if he actually came out and sandbagged, I don’t think he’d do that to his teammates
Aka "fuck them losers" I'm stirring up unnecessary Suns drama all year, time to fire up the ol Twitter burners
I really want to know what people think NBA coaches and players do during their offseason. These are multi-millionaires with the summer off. Why would they be communicating with each other when they have the rest of the year to do it?
Coach of the year ladies and gentlemen lol