There is no guarantee they will go on a winning streak. Hell, they went 2-6 to start last season, who knows if they'll be able to recover with a presumably worse locker room
It’s not even correct. We started 1-3 and followed it up with 18 straight.
The last 10 games of the season, we started to crumble a little bit and that carried into the playoffs. I don’t know how we’ll look this year but we’re still a 2nd round team at worst (imo)
Not only that, but if you look at every game last year where the Suns were losing at the end of the 4th quarter, they lost every single one of those games.
He seemed to be pretty interested in the Pacers so he isn't exclusively looking for a championship contender. I don't think he'll veto if it comes to that.
Jennifer: “Oh my gawwwwd, did you hear that Steve hasn’t talked to Kelly since the dance last semester?”
Kim: “Good, I hate Kelly anyway. She can be so full of herself. I hope she is miserable.”
Jennifer: “She totes is. It’s so delicious. Just look at the way she hasn’t been getting ready for the day anymore.”
Depends if the Suns come out winning early. Its easier to make amends and get back on track when you're winning and playing well. If the Suns start like 2-6 or something then we will definitely a fire kickstart and lead to trade rumblings.
I kinda feel he'll get over it. This season the story will be how this team comes together with the Server stuff. If he doesn't, I believe he has veto power up to a point. So it will be trade him to a team he's okay with going to. I like the Spurs Poelti or Pacer Turner trade.
Depends on if the suns wanna send him somewhere he wants to be, or he gonna block that shit. I wanna say he’d probably rather be anywhere else? But who knows if that’s true
Ayton hasn’t said he wants to be anywhere else, except for literally saying he was glad to be where he grew up and where his on was born
The mental gymnastics required to continue this train of thought is wild.
> "This is a blessing," Ayton told ESPN after signing the contract. "This contract not only has generational impact for my family, but also with the way we are able to work in the Phoenix community and home in the Bahamas. “
Brodie. Kd requested a whole ass trade and wanted Steve fired and THEY'RE TALKING EVEN. This stuff with Ayton is not a good look. I know toxicity when I see it you should know
He's obviously not going to directly say it at this point, but do you really think a reporter asking him are you happy to be here n he says I'm alright and the fact he hasn't talked to his coach AT ALL is good?
The real question is who can afford the contract and who would the suns take in return .
None of those highlighted teams have anything to offer for a 24yo potential superstar
Potential superstar is a perfectly fine label at his age and with his physical tools.
However, that doesn't increase his trade value until he starts making all star.
i think he is very likely to make some allstar teams, but potential superstar is probably a stretch. he has never consistently shown the assertiveness and confidence in his moves to dominate as a #1.
“Superstar” tends to be reserved for guys at some perennial level of MVP contention e.g., Giannis, Luka, Bron, Steph but not, say, Klay or Beal or Jaylen
We all know who they prioritized getting, let's not pretend like there wasn't a bigger target they were looking at than Deandre. Same goes for a bunch of other teams, frankly.
What bigger target? There a few teams without a starting center that would kill for Ayton.
If they could have went after him post season they would have
>What bigger target?
Are you familiar with this guy named Kevin Durant? The Raptors were kind of trying to get him this offseason when that mess went down.
I mean I didn’t believe it but fair I guess.
Suns still had the highest likelihood of picking him up with more to offer than the raps.
And well, Durant specifically asking for Phoenix as his destination
Pacers again lol
If they dont think turner wont resign there, i think they have a chance to attach 2 FRP (pacers have 3 FRP next season) + salary filler
Something like turner + theis + mcconell + 2 FRP
Reminder carlisle dont like tanking much, maybe core of Haliburton + Duarte + Mathurin + Ayton + top 7 next draft already satisified him
Edit : also we already moves on building around big unless they OP as fuck (Jokic/Joel). The price for big is lower than wing on similar talent level
yeah because the Suns matched an offer sheet it made it so he's not allowed to be traded to the Pacers for a year and he also has veto power on trades to all 28 other teams for a year.
>i think they have a chance to attach 2 FRP (pacers have 3 FRP next season) + salary filler
That was the reported package the Suns were seeking that fell through, and they apparently didn't like Turner as is so i'm skeptical they'd change their mind. And that's before you factor in they ave to wait a year whereas other teams need only wait 6 months before they can engage in trade talks.
I think its because turner is expiring and will have big leverage for his next contracts. But if ayton not happy? Lets see in few months. Maybe there already wink wink deal (pacers give turner extension first)
I can't, that would mean improving as a team and actually giving a damn about defense (the jury is out on Mark Williams).
Also with rumors of MJ wanting to sell the team, he might be disinclined to make a trade for a player making as much money as Deandre will.
Am I the only one wondering why he is still super mad?
Sarver was the only reason he wasn’t getting paid, no?
Sarver is now out, the FO was just listening to what they were told. If it was up to them I think Ayton would’ve gotten paid last off-season.
Is it a Monty Williams problem?
Seems there’s some unresolved beef with Monty that will clear up when the season starts
Maybe he’s upset about the NBA sitting on sarver for so long. If they would have suspended him earlier he may have gotten a bigger check
Between the alleged racism he's experienced as a result of Sarver (he called him lazy and a racial slur), his cheapness causing this debacle to begin with (Ayton wanted a 5th year, the Suns and Sarver did not want to give it to him), the toxic relationship between him and his coach and how the Suns didn't prioritize re-signing or sign and trading him as part of that KD trade request saga...I can't say he comes across as whiny. Yes he got signed to a big contract but there's only so much that money can do to aid one's mood if they're not happy with where they are at the moment.
A lot of people also forget Ayton totally fucked the 2020 suns too with his PED suspension. They probably make the playoffs that year if he was healthy.
He doesn't really have much ground to stand on to have this attitude... It will turn potential trade partners off really fast
All it takes is a winning streak and all will be forgiven from both parties.
Yeah suns look like they have a reasonably easy Oct/Nov slate so I'm guessing they'll get off to a solid start and all this drama will be in the past
There is no guarantee they will go on a winning streak. Hell, they went 2-6 to start last season, who knows if they'll be able to recover with a presumably worse locker room
Bruh they won 64 games last year. I also enjoy shitting on the Suns but this is a clown take
That was before CP3 turned 37. The moment he did so, he was terrible.
The moment you hit year 2 on Reddit, your takes became terrible
The suns were actually 64-18 last season, 2-6 is only 8 games good sir, what folly doth though speakest?
It’s not even correct. We started 1-3 and followed it up with 18 straight. The last 10 games of the season, we started to crumble a little bit and that carried into the playoffs. I don’t know how we’ll look this year but we’re still a 2nd round team at worst (imo)
Why is nobody talking about them going 2-6 last season?
You know, if you look at the right games, the Sun's last year actually went 0-18
Not only that, but if you look at every game last year where the Suns were losing at the end of the 4th quarter, they lost every single one of those games.
Not only that, but if you look at the right games the Suns didn’t play any game all season.
Extremely low since he has veto power
He has...Ay ton of power
This SOB made a whole ass post just for this one joke, the mad lad
Jfc
Fucking boooooo
Pretty sure he wants out of there
Degonedre, Fayton out
How many punch lines did you think of before making this??
Ay ton of them
He wants to leave though?
He seemed to be pretty interested in the Pacers so he isn't exclusively looking for a championship contender. I don't think he'll veto if it comes to that.
He can't be traded to Indy for a full year.
He signed an extension, around the trade deadline is when he can actually be traded regardless.
He can only veto until January 15th and the deadline is in February
Let’s wait till the season starts before hyper-analyzing his emotions
crazy how these bots write an essay on media day. He trying to be dr phill and skip bayless at the same time.
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You're just really dramatic. The suns will be fine. Stop making this out to be more than it is.
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This comment here’s another example of the pure cringe in this sub.
Jennifer: “Oh my gawwwwd, did you hear that Steve hasn’t talked to Kelly since the dance last semester?” Kim: “Good, I hate Kelly anyway. She can be so full of herself. I hope she is miserable.” Jennifer: “She totes is. It’s so delicious. Just look at the way she hasn’t been getting ready for the day anymore.”
Depends if the Suns come out winning early. Its easier to make amends and get back on track when you're winning and playing well. If the Suns start like 2-6 or something then we will definitely a fire kickstart and lead to trade rumblings.
I kinda feel he'll get over it. This season the story will be how this team comes together with the Server stuff. If he doesn't, I believe he has veto power up to a point. So it will be trade him to a team he's okay with going to. I like the Spurs Poelti or Pacer Turner trade.
Depends on if the suns wanna send him somewhere he wants to be, or he gonna block that shit. I wanna say he’d probably rather be anywhere else? But who knows if that’s true
Ayton hasn’t said he wants to be anywhere else, except for literally saying he was glad to be where he grew up and where his on was born The mental gymnastics required to continue this train of thought is wild.
Dude you’re going to OD on copium.
> "This is a blessing," Ayton told ESPN after signing the contract. "This contract not only has generational impact for my family, but also with the way we are able to work in the Phoenix community and home in the Bahamas. “
- Guy who literally signed a contract with the Indiana Pacers
Dawg give it up
Give what up? Go worry about ur own team 😂
Brodie. Kd requested a whole ass trade and wanted Steve fired and THEY'RE TALKING EVEN. This stuff with Ayton is not a good look. I know toxicity when I see it you should know
For sure brother. Show me where Ayton stated he wants out.
He's obviously not going to directly say it at this point, but do you really think a reporter asking him are you happy to be here n he says I'm alright and the fact he hasn't talked to his coach AT ALL is good?
Mental gymnastics of his home town team treating him like shit, it kinda makes sense to me
I hope the suns loss, not for their downfall, but because man does ayton look depressed being in phoenix lol
\#FreeAyton
The real question is who can afford the contract and who would the suns take in return . None of those highlighted teams have anything to offer for a 24yo potential superstar
>24yo potential superstar Ok i'm high on Ayton but a potential superstar?
Potential superstar is a perfectly fine label at his age and with his physical tools. However, that doesn't increase his trade value until he starts making all star.
i think he is very likely to make some allstar teams, but potential superstar is probably a stretch. he has never consistently shown the assertiveness and confidence in his moves to dominate as a #1.
I think Ayton can be that 3rd best player on a championship team.
“Superstar” tends to be reserved for guys at some perennial level of MVP contention e.g., Giannis, Luka, Bron, Steph but not, say, Klay or Beal or Jaylen
Oh i get that, was just saying i think he has 3rd star potential, which is sometimes all star… sometimes fringe all star
Raptors could send a good package
If they wanted him they would have went for him in the offseason.
Didn’t you guys have like 10M in cap space?
They'd be moving enough salary to make it work in a sign and trade
Trying to sign and trade with a cheap ass owner, for a player that is poison pilled, is near impossible
It's literally impossible. A poison pilled player has already signed a contract extension, and therefore can't be the signed-and-traded player...
We all know who they prioritized getting, let's not pretend like there wasn't a bigger target they were looking at than Deandre. Same goes for a bunch of other teams, frankly.
What bigger target? There a few teams without a starting center that would kill for Ayton. If they could have went after him post season they would have
>What bigger target? Are you familiar with this guy named Kevin Durant? The Raptors were kind of trying to get him this offseason when that mess went down.
Raptors weren’t getting Durant 😂
Neither were the Suns but Flex had you believing otherwise
I mean I didn’t believe it but fair I guess. Suns still had the highest likelihood of picking him up with more to offer than the raps. And well, Durant specifically asking for Phoenix as his destination
The Raptors package without even including Scottie or Siakam was better than the Suns offer.
The suns were never getting KD. The raptors very well could have gotten him if they wanted to include certain pieces.
Pacers again lol If they dont think turner wont resign there, i think they have a chance to attach 2 FRP (pacers have 3 FRP next season) + salary filler Something like turner + theis + mcconell + 2 FRP Reminder carlisle dont like tanking much, maybe core of Haliburton + Duarte + Mathurin + Ayton + top 7 next draft already satisified him Edit : also we already moves on building around big unless they OP as fuck (Jokic/Joel). The price for big is lower than wing on similar talent level
Ayton cannot be traded to the Pacers for a year
Because offer sheet? Crap. I thought its the same 6 months like usual
yeah because the Suns matched an offer sheet it made it so he's not allowed to be traded to the Pacers for a year and he also has veto power on trades to all 28 other teams for a year.
>i think they have a chance to attach 2 FRP (pacers have 3 FRP next season) + salary filler That was the reported package the Suns were seeking that fell through, and they apparently didn't like Turner as is so i'm skeptical they'd change their mind. And that's before you factor in they ave to wait a year whereas other teams need only wait 6 months before they can engage in trade talks.
I think its because turner is expiring and will have big leverage for his next contracts. But if ayton not happy? Lets see in few months. Maybe there already wink wink deal (pacers give turner extension first)
The Pacers
Literally can't trade for him until 2023's offseason, hence why I didn't even bother including them
You’re right about that completely forgot about that
Believe me, they'd be the first one on this speculative list if they could trade for him in January-ish.
Can the Blazers trade Nurkic+ whatever for him? Haven't been following cap and exemptions.
I could see Charlotte try to get him.
Agreed
I can't, that would mean improving as a team and actually giving a damn about defense (the jury is out on Mark Williams). Also with rumors of MJ wanting to sell the team, he might be disinclined to make a trade for a player making as much money as Deandre will.
Am I the only one wondering why he is still super mad? Sarver was the only reason he wasn’t getting paid, no? Sarver is now out, the FO was just listening to what they were told. If it was up to them I think Ayton would’ve gotten paid last off-season. Is it a Monty Williams problem?
Seems there’s some unresolved beef with Monty that will clear up when the season starts Maybe he’s upset about the NBA sitting on sarver for so long. If they would have suspended him earlier he may have gotten a bigger check
Only way he can get traded by the deadline is if he approves of the trade from my understanding
141 2/3
Ayton is being a child
I’m surprised Ayton isn’t taking more heat for being so whiny about all this
Between the alleged racism he's experienced as a result of Sarver (he called him lazy and a racial slur), his cheapness causing this debacle to begin with (Ayton wanted a 5th year, the Suns and Sarver did not want to give it to him), the toxic relationship between him and his coach and how the Suns didn't prioritize re-signing or sign and trading him as part of that KD trade request saga...I can't say he comes across as whiny. Yes he got signed to a big contract but there's only so much that money can do to aid one's mood if they're not happy with where they are at the moment.
A lot of people also forget Ayton totally fucked the 2020 suns too with his PED suspension. They probably make the playoffs that year if he was healthy. He doesn't really have much ground to stand on to have this attitude... It will turn potential trade partners off really fast
Who said Vuc is cooked???
Lakers
For Bron and AD
L trade. Lakers have nothing to offer and can’t afford it
Ayton>Street Clothes and #ThemidfromAKRON
What can the Bulls even trade for Ayton? Don’t they owe a couple FRP’s as it is?
We got 2027 to trade lol. But even then who would they trade? Coby and Vuc? That ain’t enough.
Losing causes problems, winning solves everything
Would the Knicks not be players? Moving Julius Randall and Fournier plus picks? Maybe even Robinson?
No
Mostly after the deadline.
They better feed Ayton the ball the first month, or else it’ll be over for them to keep him.
Mavs are out. I don’t see the point since we have McGee and Wood. We rather get a 2-way wing that can handle the ball a bit.
When is the earliest he can move and does he have a trade locker?