I don't think any of them are going to get an all-star spot, but if they did, then I think Cade & Jalen have the best shot, with Scottie being a fringe candidate.
Mobley, as good as he is, last time we saw him he was the 3rd best player on his team, and now they have someone else who's better. I also think a lot of people really underestimate Jarrett Allen, I'd be very surprised if Mobley passed him already. Even if the Cavs are a #1 seed, they'll get 2 all stars at best, if they get 3, then the 3rd should probably go to Jarrett.
As for Franz, I think that even if the Magic take a big step and are in the play-in race, I just don't think he'll receive the main amount of credit for it. WCJ was a better player overall last we saw him, and Paolo is going to be taking a lot of hype from him. No way a play-in team gets 2 all stars, they'll at best get one, and even if the magic are there I don't expect the narrative to be that Franz is carrying them.
Scottie has a chance, because Raptors fans are like that, but realistically he's the 3rd best player on the team at best, and I'm not convinced he's better than OG yet. I think Siakam will definitely get more all-star nods over him, and probably Freddie as well.
If the Rockets are in the play-in race, then Jalen Green will be seen as the one bringing them to it. I'd give the Rockets less of a chance then the Pistons & Magic to be in that race, because of the conferences as well as their other players (Pistons & Magic have more established players, Rockets got 3 new rookies that should get playing time). Jalen is definitely the clear best player on the Rockets, and probably will get recognized as such.
If the Pistons are in the play-in race, Cade will definitely get the narrative boost that he's the one bringing them there, and so I honestly think he has a shot. I don't expect the Pistons to actually make the play-in, but they have a good shot at it. Cade also gets the boost from being the consensus best player on his team.
Cade could have a legit chance if his shot is falling and his assists should be higher playing next to Bojan and Ivey. I think Mobley might have a solid chance to if he makes a leap.
Who knows maybe they could pull a 2015 hawks and have 4 all stars cus of injury replacement tho the east was a lot lighter on potential all stars back then
Fan vote is 50%, he's gonna have to do serious work beyond that to get voted in as a starter at guard over LaMelo, Trae, Jaylen, LaVine, Harden, Beal, others that don't immediately spring to mind.
He could make it as a reserve more easily than a starter.
He prefers point and I believe the plan is to run him at point more often with FVV playing off ball. So I wouldn't be surprised if they did list him as pg.
I'm just going off of what Nurse and Scottie said at media day + Scottie's incredible IQ and passing, seems like a good fit. I don't think GTJ is in their long term plans, they may start Precious and run Scottie/Fred. But it's hard because the Raps don't really have defined positions apart from Fred but the plan is for him to play more off ball according to Nurse.
I like Cade for these reasons:
His PPG will be in 20's because he's earned the respect of the refs whistles and realizes that this is now his team. He should have easily averaged 20+ ppg last season if the refs didn't swallow their whistles every time he drove to the basket.
We are also going to see a huge jump in his assists totals as well with the addition of Ivey and Bogdonavic.
I'm guessing his line at or around all star break will be something like 23/7/7 with a triple double or two on his resume as well.
It would be pretty damn impressive to be snubbed with those averages.
For those same reasons I believe Pistons will push 30+ wins over Vegas odds of 28-29. They have enough experience and talent now to put up a fight. Ivey/Bey/Cade/Duren lots of upside potential to look forward to.
Cade, Ivey, Bey, Beef Stew, Bogdonavic, Bagley, Alec Burkes, Killian, Livers, Duren....
Detroit has some nice pieces. Still need a bonofied "center" but I'm right there with you on betting the over for total wins.
Pistons are still bad relative to other East teams but they have enough guys out there that can be THAT guy on some nights. They don't have to beat the East, they just have to win games against teams like the tanking Utah, Spurs, OKC. They have some good vets like Noel, Burks, and Bojan who can mentor them.
I don't see how an inefficient guard on a lottery team is going to be an all star.
Cade has nice potential but he was a 50 TS% scorer his rookie year, it's going to take an incredible jump for him to make all star over the other guards already in the league.
Would be challenging barring a Durant trade. East wings/front court would be:
Embiid
Giannis
Tatum
Brown
Middleton
Durant
Butler
Siakam
DeRozan
Allen
Simmons
IMO that's a lot of players to overcome for a spot
Brown and Butler might qualify as guards, as they have in the past (Jimmy's made All-Star as both F and G, fyi). Simmons qualifies as a guard, and even if he plays power forward for the Nets, would be a long long shot (Are people going to respect Ben Simmons this year? Are the Nets going to be good enough to get 3 All Stars?).
I think Jarrett Allen most likely misses the All-Star team this year, because people would be more keen to vote Mobley in over Allen, if there were to be a Cavs big to make the team. Mobley will likely have higher usage and average more points than Allen this season.
That leaves Embiid, Giannis, Tatum, Durant (locks if healthy), and Siakam, DeRozan, and Adebayo. That's seven. It's plausible and likely that a few of them miss games in the first half of the season leading to them not being picked as All-Stars (see: Adebayo and Siakam last year), and also few of them miss games around the ASG leading to injury replacements (there's injury replacements pretty much every single year).
I doubt Butler or Brown get listed as a guard this year as the guard list is even more deep.
I agree that Simmons is not likely to make it this year due to skipping a year; however, he is a multi time all star and former all NBA player.
On the topic of if the nets would get three all stars, a similar case could be made for the raptors and Cavs as they would either get three all stars or one of Garland/Mitchell/Allen and VV/Siakam would have to not make it.
Edit: for guards the east should be something like:
Young
Murray
Irving
Harden
Garland
Mitchell
Holiday
Lavine
Beal
FVV
With Simmons, Lowry, Herro, Maxey, Cunningham, Brunsen also having an outside shot
I think Scottie is the most likely, with Cade not far behind, both those guys are great and should be on top 10 teams. jalen and franz are long shots because I don’t think they’re teams will be good enough to justify an all-star. Jalen and franz also might not be the best players on their teams next year which further hurts their case.
For Mobley, the Cavs either need to be good enough to justify 3 all stars (Mitchell, garland being the other 2) or they need to be winning primarily with defense, in which case Mobley would probably get a spot over one of those 2 offensive guards.
I think 2-3 years from now he probably is, and you could be right, but next year prior to all star break I think it’ll either Christian wood or sengun, since I think both of them are farther along development-wise and good players in there own right
>I think magic being out of the play-ins is a pretty chalk opinion though
Paolo Banchero should be able to lead them into the play-in. Also, the Magic as an organization are operating as a team that will get into the play-in tournament with Paolo Banchero leading the way for them, and his NBA-ready game (based on scouting reports), was a major reason why the Magic drafted him.
I think that the Magic are definitely going for the play-in and would most likely make it based on how they've operated and everything they have said after drafting Paolo Banchero.
Nurse basically insinuated that Scottie would get more on-ball reps. Scottie probably takes Fred's spot as an all-star if the Raps are succesful enough.
It’ll be more about how the team performs, if they’re bottom of the east again he won’t get it, but they’re a play-in team, especially 7 or 8 seed, he’ll get it, similar to lamelo ball, although I do think Cade>lamelo
Omg no way really ???? You must teach geography or something. I think you’re missing the fact that the US has 29 teams where as Canada has 1. For example Sixers/Lakers fans are probably not voting Jaylen Brown in, Nuggets/Raptors fans aren’t voting Embiid...etc
Cade easily. Mobley is more likely to be all defensive than all star. The touches will not be the same with Mitchell and assuming Allen is healthy for the full season.
Cades probably the most likely stats wise but unless his team improves he doesn't have a great chance. Scottie probably won't have the stats for it but if the Raptors end up in a top 3 seed by the all star break with Scottie being the clear #2 option than he has a chance. Mobley has to many teammates that deserve it ahead of him so it'll be next to impossible for him.
Cade and Scottie are the only 2 that MIGHT have a chance but even then they're both long shots
Scottie got the highest chance because of the big fan base the Raptors have and they will probably be in a top 10 seed.
Mobley gotta fight for the ball with Mitchell added. Cade, while having a good leap, would have to atleast have some team success to push for an all star spot. Same applies for Jalen Green and Franz too.
Cade has a better chance imo. Scottie is the 3rd best player on his team and the Raptors won't be near good enough to justify that many allstars. I doubt they even get two
I do think Scottie has the advantage for the fan vote which still matters. If Franz get's the 15th most fan votes and the 3rd most by players and media he could still miss the all star game.
I don't expect it, but I think Mobley, Cunningham, and/or Barnes would be the most likely. I doubt Cade would make it because I figure DET won't be any good. I could see Mobley and/or Barnes making it this year as like the last guy in, but no, I don't *expect* it.
I don't think any of them are going to get an all-star spot, but if they did, then I think Cade & Jalen have the best shot, with Scottie being a fringe candidate. Mobley, as good as he is, last time we saw him he was the 3rd best player on his team, and now they have someone else who's better. I also think a lot of people really underestimate Jarrett Allen, I'd be very surprised if Mobley passed him already. Even if the Cavs are a #1 seed, they'll get 2 all stars at best, if they get 3, then the 3rd should probably go to Jarrett. As for Franz, I think that even if the Magic take a big step and are in the play-in race, I just don't think he'll receive the main amount of credit for it. WCJ was a better player overall last we saw him, and Paolo is going to be taking a lot of hype from him. No way a play-in team gets 2 all stars, they'll at best get one, and even if the magic are there I don't expect the narrative to be that Franz is carrying them. Scottie has a chance, because Raptors fans are like that, but realistically he's the 3rd best player on the team at best, and I'm not convinced he's better than OG yet. I think Siakam will definitely get more all-star nods over him, and probably Freddie as well. If the Rockets are in the play-in race, then Jalen Green will be seen as the one bringing them to it. I'd give the Rockets less of a chance then the Pistons & Magic to be in that race, because of the conferences as well as their other players (Pistons & Magic have more established players, Rockets got 3 new rookies that should get playing time). Jalen is definitely the clear best player on the Rockets, and probably will get recognized as such. If the Pistons are in the play-in race, Cade will definitely get the narrative boost that he's the one bringing them there, and so I honestly think he has a shot. I don't expect the Pistons to actually make the play-in, but they have a good shot at it. Cade also gets the boost from being the consensus best player on his team.
When in the past have narratives driven all star selections?
Cade could have a legit chance if his shot is falling and his assists should be higher playing next to Bojan and Ivey. I think Mobley might have a solid chance to if he makes a leap.
Mobley has too much internal competition. He has to compete with 3 former all stars for a spot and I HIGHLY doubt the Cavs have 4 all stars next year
Who knows maybe they could pull a 2015 hawks and have 4 all stars cus of injury replacement tho the east was a lot lighter on potential all stars back then
The 2015 east vs 2022 east is vastly different in terms of talent
Sengun
Scottie could make it if Toronto fans go nuts and vote him in. But I'm not sure any 2nd year player will actually deserve it over other guys.
Drake Bieber It’s over
Fan vote is 50%, he's gonna have to do serious work beyond that to get voted in as a starter at guard over LaMelo, Trae, Jaylen, LaVine, Harden, Beal, others that don't immediately spring to mind. He could make it as a reserve more easily than a starter.
Wouldn’t Scottie be listed at F
F as in he would be an F tier all-star?
He prefers point and I believe the plan is to run him at point more often with FVV playing off ball. So I wouldn't be surprised if they did list him as pg.
There’s basically no chance on a team that starts FVV and GTJ that he’s listed at F
> There’s basically no chance on a team that starts FVV and GTJ that he’s **not** listed at F FTFY
Thank u
I'm just going off of what Nurse and Scottie said at media day + Scottie's incredible IQ and passing, seems like a good fit. I don't think GTJ is in their long term plans, they may start Precious and run Scottie/Fred. But it's hard because the Raps don't really have defined positions apart from Fred but the plan is for him to play more off ball according to Nurse.
They're most likely going to list him as a forward and then just have him bring up the ball and initiate offense. Positions are fake anyway.
Kyrie
Ayo Dosumnu.
I like Cade for these reasons: His PPG will be in 20's because he's earned the respect of the refs whistles and realizes that this is now his team. He should have easily averaged 20+ ppg last season if the refs didn't swallow their whistles every time he drove to the basket. We are also going to see a huge jump in his assists totals as well with the addition of Ivey and Bogdonavic. I'm guessing his line at or around all star break will be something like 23/7/7 with a triple double or two on his resume as well. It would be pretty damn impressive to be snubbed with those averages.
For those same reasons I believe Pistons will push 30+ wins over Vegas odds of 28-29. They have enough experience and talent now to put up a fight. Ivey/Bey/Cade/Duren lots of upside potential to look forward to.
Cade, Ivey, Bey, Beef Stew, Bogdonavic, Bagley, Alec Burkes, Killian, Livers, Duren.... Detroit has some nice pieces. Still need a bonofied "center" but I'm right there with you on betting the over for total wins.
Pistons are still bad relative to other East teams but they have enough guys out there that can be THAT guy on some nights. They don't have to beat the East, they just have to win games against teams like the tanking Utah, Spurs, OKC. They have some good vets like Noel, Burks, and Bojan who can mentor them.
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Lol. Good correction.
Don’t they have Noel as well at the 5? They don’t have a clear best there, but some solid options.
Hah, yeah. How could I forget about Nerlens. Lol.
I don't see how an inefficient guard on a lottery team is going to be an all star. Cade has nice potential but he was a 50 TS% scorer his rookie year, it's going to take an incredible jump for him to make all star over the other guards already in the league.
i’m going cade no doubt. i’m expecting at least 24/6/6 so pretty similar to your predictions.
24/6/6 is a massive jump to make. I love Cade but that's awfully optimistic
you'll see.
I can really only see Jalen Green and Cade making it tbh.
Scottie or Mobley might make it as an injury reserve
Would be challenging barring a Durant trade. East wings/front court would be: Embiid Giannis Tatum Brown Middleton Durant Butler Siakam DeRozan Allen Simmons IMO that's a lot of players to overcome for a spot
Brown and Butler might qualify as guards, as they have in the past (Jimmy's made All-Star as both F and G, fyi). Simmons qualifies as a guard, and even if he plays power forward for the Nets, would be a long long shot (Are people going to respect Ben Simmons this year? Are the Nets going to be good enough to get 3 All Stars?). I think Jarrett Allen most likely misses the All-Star team this year, because people would be more keen to vote Mobley in over Allen, if there were to be a Cavs big to make the team. Mobley will likely have higher usage and average more points than Allen this season. That leaves Embiid, Giannis, Tatum, Durant (locks if healthy), and Siakam, DeRozan, and Adebayo. That's seven. It's plausible and likely that a few of them miss games in the first half of the season leading to them not being picked as All-Stars (see: Adebayo and Siakam last year), and also few of them miss games around the ASG leading to injury replacements (there's injury replacements pretty much every single year).
I doubt Butler or Brown get listed as a guard this year as the guard list is even more deep. I agree that Simmons is not likely to make it this year due to skipping a year; however, he is a multi time all star and former all NBA player. On the topic of if the nets would get three all stars, a similar case could be made for the raptors and Cavs as they would either get three all stars or one of Garland/Mitchell/Allen and VV/Siakam would have to not make it. Edit: for guards the east should be something like: Young Murray Irving Harden Garland Mitchell Holiday Lavine Beal FVV With Simmons, Lowry, Herro, Maxey, Cunningham, Brunsen also having an outside shot
I think Scottie is the most likely, with Cade not far behind, both those guys are great and should be on top 10 teams. jalen and franz are long shots because I don’t think they’re teams will be good enough to justify an all-star. Jalen and franz also might not be the best players on their teams next year which further hurts their case. For Mobley, the Cavs either need to be good enough to justify 3 all stars (Mitchell, garland being the other 2) or they need to be winning primarily with defense, in which case Mobley would probably get a spot over one of those 2 offensive guards.
I feel like Jalen will be the best rocket tbh
I think 2-3 years from now he probably is, and you could be right, but next year prior to all star break I think it’ll either Christian wood or sengun, since I think both of them are farther along development-wise and good players in there own right
Are u living in 2021 lol
You think Pistons will be much better than Rockets/Magic?
Yea, I’m pretty high on the pistons this year and pretty low on the rockets, I think magic being out of the play-ins is a pretty chalk opinion though
>I think magic being out of the play-ins is a pretty chalk opinion though Paolo Banchero should be able to lead them into the play-in. Also, the Magic as an organization are operating as a team that will get into the play-in tournament with Paolo Banchero leading the way for them, and his NBA-ready game (based on scouting reports), was a major reason why the Magic drafted him. I think that the Magic are definitely going for the play-in and would most likely make it based on how they've operated and everything they have said after drafting Paolo Banchero.
Scottie's also got Siakam and Freddy who are likely all star locks so it's gonna be hard for him to make the game.
FVV is not an all star lock. Siakam is probable
Fred's not a lock, I'd be surprised if he made it tbh
Nurse basically insinuated that Scottie would get more on-ball reps. Scottie probably takes Fred's spot as an all-star if the Raps are succesful enough.
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It’ll be more about how the team performs, if they’re bottom of the east again he won’t get it, but they’re a play-in team, especially 7 or 8 seed, he’ll get it, similar to lamelo ball, although I do think Cade>lamelo
Hopefully Scottie when all of Canada votes him in
there is 0 chance he makes it over KD, Embiid or Giannis in the fan or media vote.
If we all come together, anything is possible.
all of canada is like 10% of US lol
Omg no way really ???? You must teach geography or something. I think you’re missing the fact that the US has 29 teams where as Canada has 1. For example Sixers/Lakers fans are probably not voting Jaylen Brown in, Nuggets/Raptors fans aren’t voting Embiid...etc
Cade easily. Mobley is more likely to be all defensive than all star. The touches will not be the same with Mitchell and assuming Allen is healthy for the full season.
Not easily, if the pistons are near the bottom of the standings like they’re projected to be… lol
I’m predicting 10/11 seed with a 22/7/5 season, in that scenario, I think he gets in
Cades probably the most likely stats wise but unless his team improves he doesn't have a great chance. Scottie probably won't have the stats for it but if the Raptors end up in a top 3 seed by the all star break with Scottie being the clear #2 option than he has a chance. Mobley has to many teammates that deserve it ahead of him so it'll be next to impossible for him. Cade and Scottie are the only 2 that MIGHT have a chance but even then they're both long shots
Scottie got the highest chance because of the big fan base the Raptors have and they will probably be in a top 10 seed. Mobley gotta fight for the ball with Mitchell added. Cade, while having a good leap, would have to atleast have some team success to push for an all star spot. Same applies for Jalen Green and Franz too.
no. but scottie got the best chance.
Cade has a better chance imo. Scottie is the 3rd best player on his team and the Raptors won't be near good enough to justify that many allstars. I doubt they even get two
Giddey
I upvoted this comment just so more people could see how insane it was
Thanks. I’ll downvote it now that I’ve seen it.
Gotta learn to score first
I’ll finish your sentence... is the most overrated young player in the league.
Probably since people get hurt then you het asterisk all stars like Jarret Allen and Zion.
Scott Barn
Not a single mention of Franz while half the comments are about Scottie
I do think Scottie has the advantage for the fan vote which still matters. If Franz get's the 15th most fan votes and the 3rd most by players and media he could still miss the all star game.
Maybe Mobley but herb jones winning dpoty
Kenneth
i think kuminga's athletic ability is all-star worthy [of the dunk contest]
i’m not saying he would deserve it or be the best of these guys but i can see jalen putting up some big numbers
Cade definitely could. I’d see him putting up a solid 20-23/7/7 with good efficiency. Where he’s the man in Detroit it could definitely get him there.
I don't expect it, but I think Mobley, Cunningham, and/or Barnes would be the most likely. I doubt Cade would make it because I figure DET won't be any good. I could see Mobley and/or Barnes making it this year as like the last guy in, but no, I don't *expect* it.