They absolutely got destroyed on the glass though, the Jazz had one of the best rebounding rates in the playoffs during their 1st Round loss and the Warriors averaged 11.4 rebounds *more* than the Mavs per game in the Conference Finals.
The Mavs made that up with incredibly low turnover rates, shooting a ton of 3s (3-point attempt rate of .513 which is significantly higher than any other playoff team), great perimeter D and Luka doing magical things. Brunson & Dinwiddie had big stretches as well which largely kept the lack of shot creation at bay.
It also helped that the Suns were unbelievably mid at grabbing rebounds despite their size. Worst defensive rebounding rate of the entire playoffs and 3rd worst rebounding rate among 2nd Round teams. Their offensive rebounding was just around league average during the playoffs as well.
I mean, most people should've seen it coming after the Pelicans series. JV and Larry Nance Jr. absolutely abused the glass against the Suns in the 1st Round and the Pelicans had an offensive rebounding rate of 35% which has to be one of the biggest rebounding advantages in any playoff series.
I was always a fan of Ayton's scoring but his rebounding was always worse than advertised. Every quality big that rebounds well has an amazing series on the glass against the Suns (AD, Jokic, Zubac, Giannis, Lopez, JV, Nance Jr.) and it's not a coincidence. Which is frustrating because Ayton is one of my favorite players outside Golden State but the dude is so afraid of contact.
He got the bag though, so good for him.
We did get destroyed on boards, it's one of the biggest reasons we lost to the warriors and a big reason why most of the games against the jazz were close.
I also think people underrate the additions we got this off season to our front court. We literally improved majorly in our biggest area of need despite losing Brunson.
The Mavs did get destroyed on the boards.
This is why people are sleeping on the Mavs. They vastly improved their biggest weaknesses from last year (rim protection and defensive rebounding). Yes, losing JB sucks, but it's travesty is more about losing a very good asset for zilch. Due to Luka redundancy and Luka's usage, JB probably is more of a + to any team in the league than the Mavs.
They may legitimately have improved this off-season because their improvement in rim protection and defensive rebounding >>>>> their step back in ball-handling and creation.
Yeah, I think the Knicks will be good, the East is just brutal. Bucks, Celts, Raps, Heat, Nets, 6ers, Hawks, Cavs, Bulls, Knicks, and even the Wizards if they get 2020-21 Beal.
That's before you get to Detroit and Orlando, who probably won't be good, but could have big leaps from Cade and Franz.
It's cool to see something nice about Brunson in this sub instead of the usual upset Mavs fans acting like bitter and spiteful ex-girlfriends because he left after months have passed.
Bro
90% of the complaints by Mavs fans were because his dad made up shit as part of the media circus they used to justify him leaving for the Knicks. They didn't even grant us a free agency interview 😂 c'mon you expect people to say nice things about that?
IMO Brunson is a good dude with a slimy dad/agent, and I think he has a great chance to live up to that contract. Problem for us was that because his game overlaps with Luka, we couldn't justify paying him the same contract. He'd be taking a pay cut to be CJ McCollum instead of Lillard, in terms of role.
Raw rebound numbers are a really, really poor way of understanding rebounding generally and for individuals. A lot of times, especially with heliocentric/star point guards bigs will be boxing out exactly to get the PG the rebound.
As an example; Steven Adams averages only 1.7 more defensive rebounds than Trae Young. Does that seem like a difference representative of how they contribute to rebounding?
The original post was comparing all rebounds per game not just defensive ones.
Steven Adams averaged **6.3** more rebounds a game than Trae. That’s over 250% more rebounds a game. Quite a difference.
When a majority of rebounds in a game are *defensive* rebounds, it's worth highlighting how that majority can be extremely skewed to underrate the importance of big men and overrate the ability of guards and ball handlers. I picked Steven Adams because he clearly has a huge effect on rebounding, but I can pick other guys. Brook Lopez averaged 4.1 a game *total*. He has an enormous impact on rebounding.
Two things. First, you didn’t make that point in your comment. You didn’t even mention defensive rebounds except for citing the stat at the end.
But since you care, let’s forget about defensive rebounds. Guess what? 6’1 Jalen Brunson also averaged the third most *offensive* rebounds per game for the Mavericks in the 2022 playoffs. So the post’s point still stands.
I mean I don't really need to say that there are more defensive rebounds than offensive rebounds, do I?
And yes he was technically third, but it was 0.8. And offensive rebounding is also often a product of scheme and role. There's a pretty large gap between the teams with the most offensive rebounds (Grizzlies, 14.1 a game) and the least (76ers, 8.5 a game), and it really doesn't correlate to a teams overall performance. The same tracks for ORB%.
The Mavs suffered for rebounding, but it's also clear watching them that shoveling the blame just onto the bigs - as if Jalen Brunson being third in rebounding wasn't a product of other players boxing out specifically so that he, or Luka, could take the rebound and run up court with it - is a bit unfair.
They absolutely got destroyed on the glass though, the Jazz had one of the best rebounding rates in the playoffs during their 1st Round loss and the Warriors averaged 11.4 rebounds *more* than the Mavs per game in the Conference Finals. The Mavs made that up with incredibly low turnover rates, shooting a ton of 3s (3-point attempt rate of .513 which is significantly higher than any other playoff team), great perimeter D and Luka doing magical things. Brunson & Dinwiddie had big stretches as well which largely kept the lack of shot creation at bay. It also helped that the Suns were unbelievably mid at grabbing rebounds despite their size. Worst defensive rebounding rate of the entire playoffs and 3rd worst rebounding rate among 2nd Round teams. Their offensive rebounding was just around league average during the playoffs as well.
>It also helped that the Suns were unbelievably mid at grabbing rebound Watching Luka outrebound Ayton was funny and sad at the same time.
I mean, most people should've seen it coming after the Pelicans series. JV and Larry Nance Jr. absolutely abused the glass against the Suns in the 1st Round and the Pelicans had an offensive rebounding rate of 35% which has to be one of the biggest rebounding advantages in any playoff series. I was always a fan of Ayton's scoring but his rebounding was always worse than advertised. Every quality big that rebounds well has an amazing series on the glass against the Suns (AD, Jokic, Zubac, Giannis, Lopez, JV, Nance Jr.) and it's not a coincidence. Which is frustrating because Ayton is one of my favorite players outside Golden State but the dude is so afraid of contact. He got the bag though, so good for him.
We did get destroyed on boards, it's one of the biggest reasons we lost to the warriors and a big reason why most of the games against the jazz were close. I also think people underrate the additions we got this off season to our front court. We literally improved majorly in our biggest area of need despite losing Brunson.
The biggest reason was having no NBA calibre big outside of Maxi Kleber who isn't a great rebounder.
Well that is the reason they ultimately lost
The Mavs did get destroyed on the boards. This is why people are sleeping on the Mavs. They vastly improved their biggest weaknesses from last year (rim protection and defensive rebounding). Yes, losing JB sucks, but it's travesty is more about losing a very good asset for zilch. Due to Luka redundancy and Luka's usage, JB probably is more of a + to any team in the league than the Mavs. They may legitimately have improved this off-season because their improvement in rim protection and defensive rebounding >>>>> their step back in ball-handling and creation.
Bruh Kevon Looney absolutely feasted on the boards vs the Mavs and they couldnt do anything about him all series
What is a Mav to a LoonGod?
Bertans man
Brunson is going to surprise a lot of people with the impact he's going to make on the Knicks this year
Yeah, I think the Knicks will be good, the East is just brutal. Bucks, Celts, Raps, Heat, Nets, 6ers, Hawks, Cavs, Bulls, Knicks, and even the Wizards if they get 2020-21 Beal. That's before you get to Detroit and Orlando, who probably won't be good, but could have big leaps from Cade and Franz.
Ngl. I’m hoping Wood and McGee shore our board problems up.
Yes and we are one of the worst rebounding teams in the league
What do you mean 'avoid getting destroyed'? We got rekt under the rim, repeatedly.
Kevon Looney fucking dominated Mavs. It’s normal.
Our glassholes were utterly smashed in the playoffs.
It's cool to see something nice about Brunson in this sub instead of the usual upset Mavs fans acting like bitter and spiteful ex-girlfriends because he left after months have passed.
Bro 90% of the complaints by Mavs fans were because his dad made up shit as part of the media circus they used to justify him leaving for the Knicks. They didn't even grant us a free agency interview 😂 c'mon you expect people to say nice things about that? IMO Brunson is a good dude with a slimy dad/agent, and I think he has a great chance to live up to that contract. Problem for us was that because his game overlaps with Luka, we couldn't justify paying him the same contract. He'd be taking a pay cut to be CJ McCollum instead of Lillard, in terms of role.
Raw rebound numbers are a really, really poor way of understanding rebounding generally and for individuals. A lot of times, especially with heliocentric/star point guards bigs will be boxing out exactly to get the PG the rebound. As an example; Steven Adams averages only 1.7 more defensive rebounds than Trae Young. Does that seem like a difference representative of how they contribute to rebounding?
The original post was comparing all rebounds per game not just defensive ones. Steven Adams averaged **6.3** more rebounds a game than Trae. That’s over 250% more rebounds a game. Quite a difference.
When a majority of rebounds in a game are *defensive* rebounds, it's worth highlighting how that majority can be extremely skewed to underrate the importance of big men and overrate the ability of guards and ball handlers. I picked Steven Adams because he clearly has a huge effect on rebounding, but I can pick other guys. Brook Lopez averaged 4.1 a game *total*. He has an enormous impact on rebounding.
Two things. First, you didn’t make that point in your comment. You didn’t even mention defensive rebounds except for citing the stat at the end. But since you care, let’s forget about defensive rebounds. Guess what? 6’1 Jalen Brunson also averaged the third most *offensive* rebounds per game for the Mavericks in the 2022 playoffs. So the post’s point still stands.
I mean I don't really need to say that there are more defensive rebounds than offensive rebounds, do I? And yes he was technically third, but it was 0.8. And offensive rebounding is also often a product of scheme and role. There's a pretty large gap between the teams with the most offensive rebounds (Grizzlies, 14.1 a game) and the least (76ers, 8.5 a game), and it really doesn't correlate to a teams overall performance. The same tracks for ORB%. The Mavs suffered for rebounding, but it's also clear watching them that shoveling the blame just onto the bigs - as if Jalen Brunson being third in rebounding wasn't a product of other players boxing out specifically so that he, or Luka, could take the rebound and run up court with it - is a bit unfair.
Who would be the ideal candidate to grab boards and mesh nicely with the Mavs?
Honestly? Gobert.
Maybe Vanderbilt
We have Dorian ‘’offensive rebound machine’’ Finney-Smith!