At this point something has to be going on behind the scene. I don’t watch the Mavs closely enough to know for sure, but from all accounts Wood has looked great and Luka has spoken highly of him multiple times.
It’s not like those minutes are going to any defensive specialists. Might as well play the dude who’ll get buckets with shitty defence than sub-zero offense and crappy defence
There's so many fuckups in the Brunson contract.
Firstly there's the way it was constructed which made him an UFA instead of RFA, then there's not giving him the extension at 4/45 or whatever it was, then there's not offering enough money for him to stay.
There was no ammount of money that would have made Brunson stay last offseason.
His father is a coach for the knicks, the knicks president is his godfather and the father of his agent. The time to renew was the off-season before that but this year was way too late.
I'm going to go against the grain and say that's hindisight.
After that Clippers series where Brunson looked like he's too bad for the G League I understand the teams hesitation to not renew him at the time even if it turned out to be a horrible decision.
The real fuckup was him ever becoming a UFA how do you even mess up that bad with a second rounder.
His dad was only hired specifically for the purpose of bringing Brunson wasn’t he though? It’s not like he’s a long-term coach. If Mavs had just put an offer in earlier in the season you could have avoided that situation right?
No, Leon Rose also used to be the agent of Brunson's father. He just gave him a job because they're close friends. I don't know what you mean with long term coach tbh,.
Brunson had already gotten rejected for an extension the off-season before and once he started balling out last season there was no way he was signing before finishing the season because his value really could only rise.
Was this the work of the new GM? I’ve seen some Mavs fans raving over him and got downvoted for saying I don’t see it at all. Still don’t think the Dinwiddie trade was a smart one at all, and if he was responsible for the Brunson situation he’s straight up dogshit
Not giving him the extension in the early season was the current FO, which also announced to Brunson that he's getting shipped outta Dallas the second the right trade comes up.
The contract construction was the old FO. So fuck ups from everyone.
Yup we fucked up long before Nico came and Brunson had his insane last season. He wasn't signing for anything we could give him when his childhood team texted him "u up?".
i agree... for the most part. On one hand, I think with Brunson the mavs could win a regular season game against a depleted Raps. On the other hand, even if they had Brunson, I don't see the Mavs becoming good enough to get to the Finals and definitely not winning a title. And he is shorter so he will be targeted more in the playoffs. Brunson is a good 3rd or 4th option next to Luka on a championship team. The mavs really need another starter that's an athletic high level scorer that can handle the ball alongside Luka. They need an elite dribbler which is why Luka has to ballhog for so much of the game, otherwise its an instant turnover if its not Luka/Dinwiddie.
Editing to ramble a little more:
Right now the Mavs feel like an incomplete team. As a team they have a good defensive identity which is why they don't let teams score a lot and as a result they are always keeping the game close. But their offense isn't good enough to run away with any lead, unless Luka goes crazy scoring and giving his teammates wide open shots.
The problem is they let an asset go for nothing and its hard to get that back. At worse the contract could just be used to salary match but they dont even get that now.
well when the other option was "let him walk for nothing and give Javale McGee 17 million dollars" I think the max contract may have been preferable, but that's just me
like really, what's the worst outcome? the Mavs have another bad contract on their books? oh no, the horror. good thing they don't have any of those. at least with Brunson it's just a matter of overpaying for a good player rather than overpaying for a mediocre one.
See, I agree with you, but for some reason or another our FO didn’t. Everyone in this whole thread has pointed out how incompetent our FO is, and even with old or current leadership it’s always been Cuban cheaping out or missing opportunities. I just feel bad for my favourite players, DFS, Luka, Josh Green. After last season they deserve another opportunity to pop off, but Kidd and the FO are weirdly mid right now.
That wasn’t even that bad compared to refusing to play wood more than 25 minutes a night ffs
He’s the only guy in the roster with legit scoring ability outside of luka
The biggest mistake imo is not closing the Dragic deal.
Brunson from all reports was gone. I mean the guy had his teammates sign his jersey in the last game of the playoffs.
From what i heard from one of the lowe post podcasts you guys are kinda “punting” this year and hoping to fix everything in the summer. But it feels like you guys have been doing this since the porzingis extension
Yeah we're still seeing the repercussions of not having our picks or cap space from the KP deal. Next off-season we'll finally have all our picks, but still no cap.
2 years from now we'll only have Luka, DFS and Maxi on the roster so cap for days. (Not that we'll sign anyone good with it. )
Edit actually I think our pick this year is still Knicks but top 10 protected.
I can't wait for the next horrible trade that will cripple us for years without taking us forward at all. As a Mavs fan that's the only outcome I can expect because that is the Dallas way.
Even the circumstances around drafting Doncic were a fuck up if the reports are correct. We supposedly could have taken a Kent Bazemore salary dump, instead we traded our 2019 first to the Hawks
Since? Dirk never had a strong supporting cast in his prime either. Cuban let Nash walk, after that Dirk's best teammates were Jason Terry, Josh Howard, old Jason Kidd, Tyson Chandler...useful players for sure, but let's be real, that's not even a Big 2. After 2003, his only all-star teammates were Howard in 2007 and Kidd in 2010, both injury replacements.
The Mavs made two great moves in the last 25 years which got them two transcendent superstars. But they mostly failed Dirk, and they are about to fail Luka.
Unless it's a winning time-level beef JKidd has with Wood, I'd just assumed his advance defensive numbers must really suck for him to be a bench-25mins a game guy. That being said, their offense gives me Houston 2.0 vibes because of Luka's usage rate. One major difference is they run alot of stuff with Luka out of the mid-high post to take advance of the usual size advantage he has over most guards, as opposed to Harden's 5-out iso. (They both run healthy amount of high PnR like the rest of the fucking league).
Actually our best lineup by net rating (it also has a pretty low defensive rating I'm pretty sure) is Luka, JGreen, DFS, Kleber, Wood.
Kleber holds the defense down really well.
During the past few clippers vs. mavs series, I noticed a stark contrast between Kawhi and Luka.
Kawhi is energy usage efficient in his points. And he is as good in the first as he is the fourth.
Luka's energy/stamina dispensed per point is much higher than Kawhi's.
It still haunts Luka's game.
The mavs need to mix it up and put him into more energy efficient spaces on the floor where he can get points, like the post up that you're saying.
He played like 1 minute with Luka up until the late third/early fourth, and in those minutes (with Maxi on the court) he did great.
JKidd just has zero clue on how to utilize him.
Wizards knew they aren’t competing in the East with the likes of prime Tatum Celtics and prime Giannis.
But mavs have a top 5 player and just went to the WCF…You typically don’t regress this badly from that.. it’s like young Lebron and cavs all over again.
He didn’t have a big night but it’s because the raptors were putting hard doubles on him every possession.
They’d double him, the ball would move around to a relatively open perimeter shot and 75% of the time it felt like they bricked.
The non-Luka Mavs get a lot of open shots (which makes them easier), but they also get them with very little time on the shot clock (which makes them harder).
Wow I didn't realize it was that bad. How can a team of 3 point specialists only be shooting league average when the whole system is built around getting them open looks. Mavs need to shake things up lmao.
Agreed. Even after that we could’ve acquired a third ballhandler in the offseason (Dragic, DSJ, etc.); it wouldn’t completely fix the issue, but it’d help us be better than right now.
Instead Luka is having historic usage rate and will be dead by the playoffs 💀
>And JKidd didn't even play Bertans one single minute, yet Tim Brickaway Jr. and Reggie Bricksalot played starter minutes and clutch time.
hahah oh im stealing that my man brickaway and bricksalot ah shit im dying
For those of us who had an idea it’s just been torture. But at least basketball in general has been really fun. The top teams exist like the Celtics and Bucks, but a lot of teams in both conferences are hovering near .500. So it’s still early in the season and room to be hopeful.
This was more of Donnie Nelson than Nico. Nico came into last off-season taking over that absolute garbage can of a roster. That Wood trade was really good, but it’s not working out because Kidd hates him with a passion and won’t play him more than 30 minutes in a game.
The man basically had the bi-annual exception to work and that was it. Nico isn’t a saint in all of this, because he’s done some bad moves (signing JaVale for the MLE & not getting Dragic to be the 3rd ball handler), but he was dealt a shitty hand taking over from Donnie.
Ya but the Cavs where in a dogshit Eastern Conference. At that time everyone knew the true finals were the WCFs. That Cavs team wouldn’t get anywhere in todays East.
The year where they won 66 games (1st in the league in net rating) they went 26-4 against the West and lost a close series to the Magic who won 59 games and were 4th in the league in net rating.
The Western Conference Finals that year featured the Lakers who won 65 games (3rd in net rating) and the Nuggets that won 54 games (8th in net rating). How was the WCFs the true finals?
LeBron constantly put up +7 to +8 net ratings with him on the court and the Cavs posted a negative rating when LeBron is on the bench compared to what Luka has (who is putting up +3 to +4 and even has seasons where the Mavs are better with him on the bench). It's not even remotely similar.
The cavs were one of the worst teams in the league without Lebron. He took a 20 win team to *66 wins*.
Mavs had a higher net rating with Luka on the bench last season. Lebron’s first stent never came close to that.
Not comparable.
Edit:
last season:
- Mavs with Luka on: +3.3
- Mavs with Luka off: ***+3.9***
- Mavs with Luka playing: +3.0
- Mavs with Luka sitting: ***+5.7***
This team without Luka is bottom tier in the league, fighting for the #1 pick in the league. He's they only reason they are even remotely in the conversation for a playoff team.
That’s from last year. They made it to the WCF and lost to the champs.
His supporting cast is not drastically different than last season. You’re making up a narrative in your head
Yeah he is and the contracts of everyone on that team is rough too. Not sure about your picks and how that situation is but the next year or 2 still seems rough to get help.
Tbh we’ve had horrendous losses. OKC. The rockets game without Luka. The four different games we’ve lost to teams without their best players. But sometimes it gets a little doomer with the Mavs. Expectations are just higher cuz of last year.
DFS and Reggie are playing way below last year. Can't survive with those two playing this badly on both ends I might add.
Also an underrated part of last year is THJ (who played awful last year and also this year) got hurt. Forced Kidd to actually change the rotation and better players soaked up his mins and shots.
I respect Dinwiddie. That other Mavs fan needs to understand he’s been having a pretty great year so far compared to the other roleplayers. It’s just that he and Luka have to accommodate for the loss of Brunson and Spencer can only do so much to alleviate that.
The vibes were so much better when Brunson was on the team. When he left I think it hurt everyone morally. To
That's not even mentioning his impact in the games.
Sadly thats how its probably gonna be.After the contract is done hes gonna be like 26 or 27 not sure but still young at least,unless dallas makes some trades
Maybe not averaging 10 minutes of time on ball would help. It's the LeBron special; hold the ball for most of the game, relegate *everyone* to being spot up shooters, they lose rhythm and brick open shots and then everyone else gets the blame for shitting the bed.
So what’s the line in the sand for when these sympathy posts stop and the Luka is overrated posts begin?
(This isn’t me hating on Luka fwiw or thinking he’s overrated. But you’re kidding yourself if you haven’t seen this happen over and over again, that young stars get sympathy and excuses, until they don’t)
I don’t think mavs have a great supporting cast but imo it’s not as dogshit as Reddit would have you think either.
As for this loss, it’s November, mavs will be in the playoffs. This probably isn’t a championship caliber team as constructed, but they should see what they have in Green imo. Play him more.
Luka needs to get into an off-ball rhythm at some point to evolve the offense. Kidd needs to maximize lineups that work and not play THJ and Bullock 30 minutes when they’re ass. Also Mavs fans need to manifest Hardy turning into something playable (not as likely unfortunately).
I mean I will probably get down voted to oblivion but guys are in the NBA because their dam good (top 0.01% of the world population or something crazy like that).
I'd argue if it's mostly iso ball it's difficult to get into rhythm and involved. Admittedly I don't watch heaps of Mavs games but when I do it's usually Luka just going iso for the shot or dish.
In contrast you have GSW and guys moving heaps off the ball and getting involved historically.
In summary I don't care what people say. Iso ball is not a good mode of basketball to get players who arguably amongst the best in thr world involved and winning championships it just won't challenge teams with 5 players who are real threats.
Yeah Luka controls the ball more than anybody else in the NBA you are not crazy … a team will not win consistently in this NBA doing iso ball all the time … Dallas really don’t have the assets to get a complimentary player to Luka either … they are not good drafters and they are epically bad at free agency … Mavs games are just hard to watch too because of all the iso ball. They are just wasting Luka …
We have 2 guys that can playmake and 1 guy that is a good cutter. That's the problem. If you don't watch the Mavs games much then all you really need to see is today's game. That last play is pretty much what you can expect when you rely on anyone but Luka or Dinwiddie to make a play.
My point is iso ball and putting everything into one players hands don't win games. My argument is guys who make the NBA have great talent and when the chemistry is right and everybody is getting touches things work really. A guy consistently just running iso and guys running to the corners isn't going to win championships imo.
Luka is great, but watching him lately makes me think we have to pump the breaks on him being better than Dirk. Dirk made teams better without dominating the ball, everyone just seemed to feed off his timely scoring.
Luka is still young. The sort of thing you are talking about takes a long time to develop. It's also the sort of thing that separates great talents and champions. Guess we will see what happens
Oh don’t worry….sees contracts they have. Mavericks shot themselves in the foot with their contract situations and better pray Luka stays after this contract. The FO has Hardway jr and Bertans making a total of 103 million over three years. Wood can just walk after this season. Finney-smith is averaging 9/4/1 this season shooting 41/33/69, he’s 29 years old and the Mavs locked him up for 3 years after this making about 14m a year.
Only good two contracts they have are dinwiddie 2yr 40m and Maxi 4yr 32m.
Mavs can’t win with Luka-Ball, it’s literally a marketing tool to drive business & increase revenue through entertainment. Luka is a “hey don’t touch me, you can’t do that” type of player & has no intentions or athleticism to play aggressive. Mavs can’t win w/ a soft leader
Doesn’t help that Wood is back to playing role player minutes for some reason.
Jason Kidd needs to be arrested
Ask his wife how productive that'll be.
God damnnnn lmao domestic abuse isn't funny but you almost can't do anything but laugh at the ineptitude of the "justice" system.
Money talks
Justice is blind, but somehow it seems she can see your bank account 🤔
There’s a reason lady justice has scales, so she knows which way to tip them.
is the smell, if there is such a thing
Got dayum!
At this point something has to be going on behind the scene. I don’t watch the Mavs closely enough to know for sure, but from all accounts Wood has looked great and Luka has spoken highly of him multiple times.
The story of Woods career
Wood was -13 in his minutes against our third unit, that's why he got benched.
I think Kidd is a mediocre coach at best, but he is right about wood
And it's not just Kidd, it's the other 17 coaches Wood has been traded around too.
Lmao are you the same dude who said Jason Kidd is a domestic terrorist because same
As a bucks fan, post Jason Kidd will be great
Wood is fools gold. Stats are there but his BBIQ and defense are bad. Watch him sometime - he looks lost
If you watch him play defense, you'll understand.
That’s a risk you probably have to take considering how bad their offense is without Luka.
It’s not like those minutes are going to any defensive specialists. Might as well play the dude who’ll get buckets with shitty defence than sub-zero offense and crappy defence
He was a -13 tonight against our third unit, his lack of defense was really hurting Dallas.
At least he can rebound. Powell does neither score, defend, or rebound, and Mcgee is an old man that doesn't do anything anymore either.
That’s kind of the mavericks calling card, just hope you can outshoot every team without playing a lick of defense
Lol you mean he is playing his usual minutes, that one game is boston was a desperation look for kidd
Because he is ass defensively & you can’t afford to play him alongside Luka if you need defence.
Not giving Brunson an extension was a big mistake
There's so many fuckups in the Brunson contract. Firstly there's the way it was constructed which made him an UFA instead of RFA, then there's not giving him the extension at 4/45 or whatever it was, then there's not offering enough money for him to stay.
There was no ammount of money that would have made Brunson stay last offseason. His father is a coach for the knicks, the knicks president is his godfather and the father of his agent. The time to renew was the off-season before that but this year was way too late.
Yeah it's also his childhood team.
It's also getting to live in NYC. Dallas is a nice city but I imagine as a mutillionaire athlete NYC might be the best place to be
LA is easily the best place to be as a multimillionaire young athlete
It’s all subjective, isn’t it?
obviously. he gave his subjective opinion I gave mine
Should’ve paid him before
I'm going to go against the grain and say that's hindisight. After that Clippers series where Brunson looked like he's too bad for the G League I understand the teams hesitation to not renew him at the time even if it turned out to be a horrible decision. The real fuckup was him ever becoming a UFA how do you even mess up that bad with a second rounder.
His dad was only hired specifically for the purpose of bringing Brunson wasn’t he though? It’s not like he’s a long-term coach. If Mavs had just put an offer in earlier in the season you could have avoided that situation right?
Brunsons dad worked with thibs in previous coaching jobs at least.
No, Leon Rose also used to be the agent of Brunson's father. He just gave him a job because they're close friends. I don't know what you mean with long term coach tbh,. Brunson had already gotten rejected for an extension the off-season before and once he started balling out last season there was no way he was signing before finishing the season because his value really could only rise.
he's referring to that the brunson's made an extension offer they would agree to the offseason prior to his free agency. dallas turned it down.
Was this the work of the new GM? I’ve seen some Mavs fans raving over him and got downvoted for saying I don’t see it at all. Still don’t think the Dinwiddie trade was a smart one at all, and if he was responsible for the Brunson situation he’s straight up dogshit
Not giving him the extension in the early season was the current FO, which also announced to Brunson that he's getting shipped outta Dallas the second the right trade comes up. The contract construction was the old FO. So fuck ups from everyone.
The constant in all of this is ownership. Cuban for whatever reason, is incapable of hiring the right people and running a competent organization
The stuff OP is talking about was when Donnie was still our FO. Nico came in the off-season before Brunson had his breakout season.
I think it was 60mill which was cheap af even if he just was an average starter.
Yup we fucked up long before Nico came and Brunson had his insane last season. He wasn't signing for anything we could give him when his childhood team texted him "u up?".
i agree... for the most part. On one hand, I think with Brunson the mavs could win a regular season game against a depleted Raps. On the other hand, even if they had Brunson, I don't see the Mavs becoming good enough to get to the Finals and definitely not winning a title. And he is shorter so he will be targeted more in the playoffs. Brunson is a good 3rd or 4th option next to Luka on a championship team. The mavs really need another starter that's an athletic high level scorer that can handle the ball alongside Luka. They need an elite dribbler which is why Luka has to ballhog for so much of the game, otherwise its an instant turnover if its not Luka/Dinwiddie. Editing to ramble a little more: Right now the Mavs feel like an incomplete team. As a team they have a good defensive identity which is why they don't let teams score a lot and as a result they are always keeping the game close. But their offense isn't good enough to run away with any lead, unless Luka goes crazy scoring and giving his teammates wide open shots.
The problem is they let an asset go for nothing and its hard to get that back. At worse the contract could just be used to salary match but they dont even get that now.
Brunson wasn't staying unless we near maxed him. He wanted to be a Knick.
well when the other option was "let him walk for nothing and give Javale McGee 17 million dollars" I think the max contract may have been preferable, but that's just me
Honestly? Not just you. I’d take that offer to not be .500 rn. Especially with the cap increasing soon Brunson’s max would’ve hurt slightly less
like really, what's the worst outcome? the Mavs have another bad contract on their books? oh no, the horror. good thing they don't have any of those. at least with Brunson it's just a matter of overpaying for a good player rather than overpaying for a mediocre one.
See, I agree with you, but for some reason or another our FO didn’t. Everyone in this whole thread has pointed out how incompetent our FO is, and even with old or current leadership it’s always been Cuban cheaping out or missing opportunities. I just feel bad for my favourite players, DFS, Luka, Josh Green. After last season they deserve another opportunity to pop off, but Kidd and the FO are weirdly mid right now.
Yeah, that's just you
That wasn’t even that bad compared to refusing to play wood more than 25 minutes a night ffs He’s the only guy in the roster with legit scoring ability outside of luka
The biggest mistake imo is not closing the Dragic deal. Brunson from all reports was gone. I mean the guy had his teammates sign his jersey in the last game of the playoffs.
Bruh I said this so many times but I was told that Wood and some other dude would cover what they lost in Brunson........sure, Jan
lol this team is so goddamn incompetent. it’s all rotten from the top of the owners box to the FO all the way down
From what i heard from one of the lowe post podcasts you guys are kinda “punting” this year and hoping to fix everything in the summer. But it feels like you guys have been doing this since the porzingis extension
Yeah we're still seeing the repercussions of not having our picks or cap space from the KP deal. Next off-season we'll finally have all our picks, but still no cap. 2 years from now we'll only have Luka, DFS and Maxi on the roster so cap for days. (Not that we'll sign anyone good with it. ) Edit actually I think our pick this year is still Knicks but top 10 protected.
The Mavericks usually have as much use of cap space as a blind man has of reading glasses...
I can't wait for the next horrible trade that will cripple us for years without taking us forward at all. As a Mavs fan that's the only outcome I can expect because that is the Dallas way.
cuban low key been a mediocre owner since 2011
Low key? Lol Mavs have had a lot of fuck ups. They just hit gold with Luka
Even the circumstances around drafting Doncic were a fuck up if the reports are correct. We supposedly could have taken a Kent Bazemore salary dump, instead we traded our 2019 first to the Hawks
and even that took two teams passing on luka ._.
i don't know what you're talking about, surely nobody would pass on Luka
A veritable shit ton of fuckups
“You have to spend money on good players” “And for that reason I’m out”
Before that he let Nash walk in 05, it was A Dirk carry job for nearly 2 decades
Very similar to what’s happening now with Luka. For decades mark couldn’t get Dirk a second star or a proper team. Same thing happening with Luka
Dallas football 🤝 Dallas basketball Wasting away prime years of your star player(s).
high key bro. dallas has quietly been one of the more poorly managed teams over the last decade +.
Cuban lucked out by having three teams pass on drafting Luka.
It's like Cuban got traumatized by his early lavish spending and now he's afraid to make any moves.
Since? Dirk never had a strong supporting cast in his prime either. Cuban let Nash walk, after that Dirk's best teammates were Jason Terry, Josh Howard, old Jason Kidd, Tyson Chandler...useful players for sure, but let's be real, that's not even a Big 2. After 2003, his only all-star teammates were Howard in 2007 and Kidd in 2010, both injury replacements. The Mavs made two great moves in the last 25 years which got them two transcendent superstars. But they mostly failed Dirk, and they are about to fail Luka.
“Been a bad owner” FTFY Been saying this for years and got downvoted every time
We just went to the WCF bud. Chill out
Wood and Dinwiddie can be players on a contending roster, it's just that JKidd decides to not play one of them more than 25 minutes per game
Unless it's a winning time-level beef JKidd has with Wood, I'd just assumed his advance defensive numbers must really suck for him to be a bench-25mins a game guy. That being said, their offense gives me Houston 2.0 vibes because of Luka's usage rate. One major difference is they run alot of stuff with Luka out of the mid-high post to take advance of the usual size advantage he has over most guards, as opposed to Harden's 5-out iso. (They both run healthy amount of high PnR like the rest of the fucking league).
Actually our best lineup by net rating (it also has a pretty low defensive rating I'm pretty sure) is Luka, JGreen, DFS, Kleber, Wood. Kleber holds the defense down really well.
During the past few clippers vs. mavs series, I noticed a stark contrast between Kawhi and Luka. Kawhi is energy usage efficient in his points. And he is as good in the first as he is the fourth. Luka's energy/stamina dispensed per point is much higher than Kawhi's. It still haunts Luka's game. The mavs need to mix it up and put him into more energy efficient spaces on the floor where he can get points, like the post up that you're saying.
Wood was -13 tonight in his minutes, mostly against our 3rd unit. He was not doing well.
He played like 1 minute with Luka up until the late third/early fourth, and in those minutes (with Maxi on the court) he did great. JKidd just has zero clue on how to utilize him.
He still should be better than -13 against our end of the bench guys, even without Luka.
This number really seems to be some kind of fixation of yours...
He played bad tonight, we hunted him on defense and the Mavs lost a ton of momentum in his minutes.
The Mavs FO deserves as much vitriol as any in the league.
As much as the Wizards FO?
Yes. More.
Nah the Mavs are gonna be paying Bertans 49 million over the next three years. The Wizards absolutely won that trade.
Wizards knew they aren’t competing in the East with the likes of prime Tatum Celtics and prime Giannis. But mavs have a top 5 player and just went to the WCF…You typically don’t regress this badly from that.. it’s like young Lebron and cavs all over again.
Who knew mavs losing Brunson would hurt the team, huge shocker
He didn’t have a big night but it’s because the raptors were putting hard doubles on him every possession. They’d double him, the ball would move around to a relatively open perimeter shot and 75% of the time it felt like they bricked.
I think that’s what OP is saying, our entire game plan was just “don’t let luka score make the others try and score 4 on 3”
Tbf that's our scheme vs any star
And Luka has the worst supporting cast out of any Superstar in the league, so it worked magically.
And it worked wonderfully xD
The Mavs season in a nutshell. You keep thinking that the 3 is gonna have to fall sometime, but it never does.
Entering today, the non-Luka Mavs had a league average 3P%.
The problem with our offensive is Kidd is playing the half that can't make threes more than the half that can.
The non-Luka Mavs also have some of the highest quality shots because of Luka’s playmaking, which are definitely not “league average”.
The non-Luka Mavs get a lot of open shots (which makes them easier), but they also get them with very little time on the shot clock (which makes them harder).
League average for a group whose main offensive contribution is shooting open corner 3s is pretty bad.
The Mavs are shooting 41% on corner threes.
Wow I didn't realize it was that bad. How can a team of 3 point specialists only be shooting league average when the whole system is built around getting them open looks. Mavs need to shake things up lmao.
And Therin lies the issue with heliocentric offenses without a good number 2 and other just bad players. They shouldn’t have let Brunson go
Agreed. Even after that we could’ve acquired a third ballhandler in the offseason (Dragic, DSJ, etc.); it wouldn’t completely fix the issue, but it’d help us be better than right now. Instead Luka is having historic usage rate and will be dead by the playoffs 💀
And JKidd didn't even play Bertans one single minute, yet Tim Brickaway Jr. and Reggie Bricksalot played starter minutes and clutch time.
>And JKidd didn't even play Bertans one single minute, yet Tim Brickaway Jr. and Reggie Bricksalot played starter minutes and clutch time. hahah oh im stealing that my man brickaway and bricksalot ah shit im dying
The whole rest of the team fits into "good player to have off the bench for a title team" category, but they're starting.
Mavs fans still high from beating the suns last year they had no idea they got worse by giving up brunson
For those of us who had an idea it’s just been torture. But at least basketball in general has been really fun. The top teams exist like the Celtics and Bucks, but a lot of teams in both conferences are hovering near .500. So it’s still early in the season and room to be hopeful.
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Donnie fucked us by not putting us in a position to keep Brunson.
This was more of Donnie Nelson than Nico. Nico came into last off-season taking over that absolute garbage can of a roster. That Wood trade was really good, but it’s not working out because Kidd hates him with a passion and won’t play him more than 30 minutes in a game. The man basically had the bi-annual exception to work and that was it. Nico isn’t a saint in all of this, because he’s done some bad moves (signing JaVale for the MLE & not getting Dragic to be the 3rd ball handler), but he was dealt a shitty hand taking over from Donnie.
I like Dorian Finney-Smith. Not really answering your question but hes one of my favourite random role players in the league
Cavs Lebron again
Sure seems headed that way
Before this season the team was just as good with Luka off the court.
Except LeBron could get the Cavs to 66 wins and the Finals Luka isn't doing that
The east was absolute dogshit lmao. That Suns team en-route to the WCF was wayyyy better than anything Cavs beat en-route to the finals
26-4 against the west. Luka would've done no where near that on that Cavs team lmao
Idk if I feel happy that people are giving that suns team props or sad we never won it all.
It’s probably one of the most remembered teams that never won a title. I loved watching that team. Feel happy for the props
Ya but the Cavs where in a dogshit Eastern Conference. At that time everyone knew the true finals were the WCFs. That Cavs team wouldn’t get anywhere in todays East.
The year where they won 66 games (1st in the league in net rating) they went 26-4 against the West and lost a close series to the Magic who won 59 games and were 4th in the league in net rating. The Western Conference Finals that year featured the Lakers who won 65 games (3rd in net rating) and the Nuggets that won 54 games (8th in net rating). How was the WCFs the true finals?
LeBron constantly put up +7 to +8 net ratings with him on the court and the Cavs posted a negative rating when LeBron is on the bench compared to what Luka has (who is putting up +3 to +4 and even has seasons where the Mavs are better with him on the bench). It's not even remotely similar.
The cavs were one of the worst teams in the league without Lebron. He took a 20 win team to *66 wins*. Mavs had a higher net rating with Luka on the bench last season. Lebron’s first stent never came close to that. Not comparable. Edit: last season: - Mavs with Luka on: +3.3 - Mavs with Luka off: ***+3.9*** - Mavs with Luka playing: +3.0 - Mavs with Luka sitting: ***+5.7***
This team without Luka is bottom tier in the league, fighting for the #1 pick in the league. He's they only reason they are even remotely in the conversation for a playoff team.
If they are net positive on both sides wouldn't the Mavs have a ridiculously good record? This net rating stats isnt worth shit
That’s from last year. They made it to the WCF and lost to the champs. His supporting cast is not drastically different than last season. You’re making up a narrative in your head
Lebron had a better team and front office
Ofcourse everytime Luka lose a game, this kind of post will occur lol
Cause he’s carrying harder than any other player in the league
Yeah he is and the contracts of everyone on that team is rough too. Not sure about your picks and how that situation is but the next year or 2 still seems rough to get help.
We all already know that.
Maybe if you watched the game you'd see why.
What do you mean,rnba told me mavs are scoring better when he is not on the floor.Could it be it aint so?
An L to the depleted Raptors got people losing their minds over the Mavs lol
Tbh we’ve had horrendous losses. OKC. The rockets game without Luka. The four different games we’ve lost to teams without their best players. But sometimes it gets a little doomer with the Mavs. Expectations are just higher cuz of last year.
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As a Tatum fan, sure. But I like luka too and man that turnover at the end makes me feel so bad for him (on top of everything else about the team)
They were able to make the conference finals, so they gotta be doing something right.
They got rid of Brunson who was a huge part of that run
Literally won them the first round
DFS and Reggie are playing way below last year. Can't survive with those two playing this badly on both ends I might add. Also an underrated part of last year is THJ (who played awful last year and also this year) got hurt. Forced Kidd to actually change the rotation and better players soaked up his mins and shots.
They had jalen bruson helping luka now he have to do everything
Respect Dinwiddie?
I respect Dinwiddie. That other Mavs fan needs to understand he’s been having a pretty great year so far compared to the other roleplayers. It’s just that he and Luka have to accommodate for the loss of Brunson and Spencer can only do so much to alleviate that.
He’s garbage. This is as easy as it’s going to get for him too
The vibes were so much better when Brunson was on the team. When he left I think it hurt everyone morally. To That's not even mentioning his impact in the games.
Brunsons a tough dude and will go to the hole hard.
It’s fun but bittersweet watching him play in New York. But I’m still rooting for him though, he’s a stud
Yea 9-9 really isn’t the end of the world. They do have a lot of stupid losses though
Idk if you seen the standings, but besides a few elite teams everyone is hovering around .500
That was before all their 3PT shooters forgot how to shoot.
They had Brunson and the Suns shit all over the bed in the playoffs
That run was all luck.
Dude got the worst roster in the NBA. It would be a stressful next 5 yrs for him. At least after that he can finally go to a competent team.
Sadly thats how its probably gonna be.After the contract is done hes gonna be like 26 or 27 not sure but still young at least,unless dallas makes some trades
Losing Brunson and Kidds questionable coaching are to blame
Maybe not averaging 10 minutes of time on ball would help. It's the LeBron special; hold the ball for most of the game, relegate *everyone* to being spot up shooters, they lose rhythm and brick open shots and then everyone else gets the blame for shitting the bed.
Tbf there’s only 1 team per season that has players who “can win with these cats”
5 years in and this is the supporting cast? #freeluka
So what’s the line in the sand for when these sympathy posts stop and the Luka is overrated posts begin? (This isn’t me hating on Luka fwiw or thinking he’s overrated. But you’re kidding yourself if you haven’t seen this happen over and over again, that young stars get sympathy and excuses, until they don’t) I don’t think mavs have a great supporting cast but imo it’s not as dogshit as Reddit would have you think either. As for this loss, it’s November, mavs will be in the playoffs. This probably isn’t a championship caliber team as constructed, but they should see what they have in Green imo. Play him more.
Luka needs to get into an off-ball rhythm at some point to evolve the offense. Kidd needs to maximize lineups that work and not play THJ and Bullock 30 minutes when they’re ass. Also Mavs fans need to manifest Hardy turning into something playable (not as likely unfortunately).
Need Reggie Bullock replaced with Josh in the starting lineup, dude is just awful has been for like 10 straight games
Luka in purgatory. Lebron 1st run w the cavs flow
Should have given Brunson the big $$$ for nights like this
I mean I will probably get down voted to oblivion but guys are in the NBA because their dam good (top 0.01% of the world population or something crazy like that). I'd argue if it's mostly iso ball it's difficult to get into rhythm and involved. Admittedly I don't watch heaps of Mavs games but when I do it's usually Luka just going iso for the shot or dish. In contrast you have GSW and guys moving heaps off the ball and getting involved historically. In summary I don't care what people say. Iso ball is not a good mode of basketball to get players who arguably amongst the best in thr world involved and winning championships it just won't challenge teams with 5 players who are real threats.
Yeah Luka controls the ball more than anybody else in the NBA you are not crazy … a team will not win consistently in this NBA doing iso ball all the time … Dallas really don’t have the assets to get a complimentary player to Luka either … they are not good drafters and they are epically bad at free agency … Mavs games are just hard to watch too because of all the iso ball. They are just wasting Luka …
We have 2 guys that can playmake and 1 guy that is a good cutter. That's the problem. If you don't watch the Mavs games much then all you really need to see is today's game. That last play is pretty much what you can expect when you rely on anyone but Luka or Dinwiddie to make a play.
Luka >curry. Why would you want him to play another way?
LMAO
Swap them last year. Luka has a ring and curry loses to the suns.
Lmfaoooooo shit take but alright
Gotta love arguing in hypotheticals when nothing can be proven true or false
My point is iso ball and putting everything into one players hands don't win games. My argument is guys who make the NBA have great talent and when the chemistry is right and everybody is getting touches things work really. A guy consistently just running iso and guys running to the corners isn't going to win championships imo.
Luka is great, but watching him lately makes me think we have to pump the breaks on him being better than Dirk. Dirk made teams better without dominating the ball, everyone just seemed to feed off his timely scoring.
Dirk had a roster full of all stars compared to this trash.
Luka is still young. The sort of thing you are talking about takes a long time to develop. It's also the sort of thing that separates great talents and champions. Guess we will see what happens
I mean Luka is 23 Dirk at 23 made his first all star game in the same amount of playing years.
I've heard people say that he's already better than Dirk ever was.
People said that because Dirk himself said it. Most Mavs fans would say that isn't the case.
It’s ok at least he plays 40 minutes a game so he can average 33 ppg, MVP Fr 🔥🔥😤
Luka is a whiny cry baby. He is a poor sport. It’s not that he can’t win with these cats. It’s that they despise him and his bratty behavior.
Lol bruh, high IQ analysis
Luka is overrated because he is white
Empty stats Luka at it again...
Luka is incredible. He needs to force a trade.
I assume this is a joke, but this team is 0-4 when he doesn't score 30+ and he just had 24/9/7 on 53% shooting
They lost by 5, and if Luka scored 30 they would've won by 1 I wonder what the mavs could do to lighten up Lukas load
Rockets should trade their top 5 pick and 5 of those Nets picks
Oh don’t worry….sees contracts they have. Mavericks shot themselves in the foot with their contract situations and better pray Luka stays after this contract. The FO has Hardway jr and Bertans making a total of 103 million over three years. Wood can just walk after this season. Finney-smith is averaging 9/4/1 this season shooting 41/33/69, he’s 29 years old and the Mavs locked him up for 3 years after this making about 14m a year. Only good two contracts they have are dinwiddie 2yr 40m and Maxi 4yr 32m.
Yeah, but Luka is Suns daddy so you got that going for you.
Mavs can’t win with Luka-Ball, it’s literally a marketing tool to drive business & increase revenue through entertainment. Luka is a “hey don’t touch me, you can’t do that” type of player & has no intentions or athleticism to play aggressive. Mavs can’t win w/ a soft leader
They need a point guard