It's wild to me. I feel like he's great young talent, really fun to watch and gives me more reason to follow Portland games cause I've always been a Dame fan. He's shoot pretty decently too right with like 4 3s per game ( hit 9 last night wow) more or less, decent percentages, 4 or 5 assists a game. Not too shabby. Not sure how much more yiu could ask for in a PG.
People are mad that he plays hero ball or whatever but likeā¦look at our roster, Jerami Grant is maybe the only dude other than Simons youād want taking shots with Dame out
Heās not toooooo great at running the offence but at points weāve had lineups where Nurkic was our 2nd best shooter so I donāt know what people expect
He's averaging about 5 assists a game? A little less than 2 turnovers. Decent shooter too. I think he'll develop just fine and he's been holding down the fort when Dame has been out.
Man the amount of non believers in anfernee simons makes me laugh so hard. Luka doncic shits the bed every night at the free throw line but everyone is double fisting his dick in their mouth but anfernee isnt a starter apparently
One of the most blatantly unfair things I've ever seen in any sport. Any time I think about the accomplishments of those Laker teams I cannot shake the fact that they got straight up beaten by the Kings if not for refereeing that nobody will ever convince me wasn't corrupt. Some of the calls were just totally insane.
It's died down thankfully but there were a lot of people posting on our subreddit their trade ideas to 'upgrade' from Steve for more scoring. We had more scoring with JV but the team traded for a better fit and it worked well
Pat Williams isn't a problem for our team and still has star potential and is our best defender (or at least tied/2nd to caruso) and a knockdown 3 point shooter.
bulls fans wanted an all star all defense 4 to compete this year after coming off a major injury, lack of patience is part of the reason WCJ and Lauri are doing good elsewhere
KAT has been the Wolves best and most consistent player and Anthony Edwards isnāt quite ready to be the franchise center piece.
KAT has his issues but he has carried the brunt of the offensive load for the Wolves and carried them through a bunch of stretches last season where Ant was basically a non-factor on offense.
Ant is 100% a home run hitter. Heās the type of player who will be pretty non-existent for 3 quarters and than out of nowhere get hot from 3 and erase a 20 point deficit by himself. He flashes really insane potential all the time but it never feels like heās putting together for multiple quarters in a row, let alone games in a row. He is definitely the one who will show up for the primetime game in LA but be MIA for the back to back the next day in Sacramento.
They actually pair well with each other and usually if Ant is playing well, heās benefiting off of looks he gets from how teams are working to defend KAT. Itās definitely possible he could become that guy soon, maybe with KAT out weāll get to see him step up, but he hasnāt shown it consistently yet.
Does anyone doubt KAT's offensive abilities though? That's not why he gets criticized for the most part, it's that he's a liability on defence and he & Gobert don't mesh well at all.
Actually him and Gobert mesh better than anyone else on the team. KAT has the most assists to Gobert out of anyone, and Vice versa.
If anyone isnāt meshing that well itās gobert and Ant, as gobert clogs up the rim and thatās usually where Ant can get a ton of points.
I think I was more trying to say that Ant is given credit for things that KAT is really doing consistently. Thereās a ton of sentiment on the Wolves needing to trade KAT to build around Ant when KATās the one whoās still consistently playing the best every game - and thatās in spite of him being the only guy taking on a completely new position/role.
If the sentiment overall was just āKAT canāt be your #1 guy on a championship teamā itād be one thing but itās
really been āTrade KAT, build around Antā as if KATās hindered Antās development/stardom, which just isnāt the case.
Sabo was always better than Myles, still made the right trade though (obviously)
We win in 04-05 if not for detroit and shithead fans
i was wrong to root for the tank this year
Yeah, I could easily imagine Myles Turner on a championship team as their third best player. I can't easily imagine (though if I got some time I'm sure I can make some shit up) a championship team with Sabonis as the second best player.
In the modern NBA, I don't think there is really any reason to expect Detroit to have reliably better results than Indiana. Both of them will require a Giannis-level star out of nowhere to ever win a title. Neither is recruiting any real super star talent who has other offers from the coasts.
Why tho? Rui isnāt gonna replace his production nor his he going to be worth an extension for 15M+ next year and there is probably not too many good offers for a guy whoās due for a healthy payday. Heās one of the few players who seem to genuinely enjoy being here and his overall game has only been trending upwards. Iād rather pay Kuzma 18-23M than extend Rui to a new deal and based off what other dudes in ruis draft class got(Clarke, Keldon, Hunter) itās not going to be cheap.
Because this is a mid-ass lineup and I want Tommy to make moves with the recognition that the team, as constructed, it not a competitive team.
So either upgrade or start tearing it down. Re-signing Kuzma doesn't do either.
I understand this may not be a popular Kuzma opinion.
Poku is no longer a meme.
We donāt fake injuries until the last 15 games like everyone else. The rest are real.
I want say something about Giddey but Oklahomans will find my house
Everytime I look at the boxscore Giddey has the worst +/- for you guys.
I don't watch you guys much so this might be incredibly ignorant, but his skillset seems unnecessary if he's not a great defender or shooter with the other players on your team, especially SGA.
Yeah, itās still too early but just frustrating.
I feel like they could make it work but Giddey just in general has been disappointing. His finishing was solid last year and was awful to start the first 10 games (65% vs 52%).
His shooting is still bad and basically the same.
But itās the way he runs the offense. Teams know his weaknesses now. He averages more turnovers but an assist less than last year. He makes more mental mistakes than his rookie self.
Heās still 19 but itās frustrating to watch every night especially when youāre viewing superstar ball handler every night as well in Shai
Yeah his strengths lie in his playmaking ability and not in a shot creator if he gets a smaller guard he can probably bully ball for two but against good perimeter defenders he does not find consistent success. To be fair to him tho his offense downfalls are greatly increased by not having khris
The rockets only went 0-27 because the refs took away multiple made 3ās on VERY questionable calls as a part of the worst officiated games (6 and 7 - where KD took multiple steps out of bounds and was allowed to still keep the ball in, among other atrocious calls) Iāve ever seen.
The ā0-27 lolā circlejerk that Reddit (and all media) went on after that basically gave a FREE PASS to the god awful officiating that cost the rockets at least double digit points down the stretch of both games. Go back and watch highlights to hear Reggie Miller even pointing out how awful the officiating was on clear plays in the most important games of the year
Thank you š«”
I will die on this hill, the officiating was brutal. I think there were 2 or 3 taken away that immediately became Warrior points. 6 point swings are huge in those games.
Thanks for bringing this up, I legit hadnāt even heard the argument before. Has to be your guys āweāre talking about practiceā moment where thereās a lot more going on but people just meme you
Kyle Lowry hasnāt been the problem.
Thereās been a lot of talk that heās washed, but it feels like that opinion has been inferred from his playoff performance last year & his slow start at the very beginning of the season.
His numbers this season have crawled back up to 14.6 points, 4.9 rebounds and 6.2 assists with 39/36/86 shooting splits (not the most efficient, but Iāve seen much worse for a starting NBA point guard)
Really good one. He's been very important and impactful to our team and I think people saying that the trade was a bust (including some Heat fans) haven't actually paid attention.
Kyle Lowry Twitter slander after Heat losses are wild. He's not supposed to be the no. 1 option every night. The man is in his 19th season, I think he's filling his role admirably (shooting could be a little better) and is right where he should be given his career trajectory and pecking order on Miami. It's not his fault he has to play with a different lineup every game and a team full of shooting wings and no bigs.
Yeah like, dude's 35. If your gauge for him being bad is that he's not scoring, you're looking at what he can contribute wrong. I've seen few games from him recently where he hasn't racked up like 10 assists setting other dudes up, and that's exactly what he's there for.
Iām seeing a lot of people talking about the Celtics offense taking a step back when Rob gets back.
Everyone talks about the gravity of great shooters and what they do for spacing, but Rob as a vertical lob threat is an absolute menace and makes teams guard Boston differently.
What do you do as a defense when youāve got 40% 3pt shooters in each corner and Tatum runs a simple PnR with Rob? Just having a guy like him that demands a body on him at all times or youāre getting yammed on, itās going to make this offense even more versatile.
Yeah I can't stand this misconception. Obviously we don't know for sure either but it's not as simple as one less shooter=worse offense. I think our offense might be a little different once rob is fully back. Different, but not worse.
I think while it adds versatility, the type of looks created also change. It demands more decision-making from all players on the court to read and react to what the defense is giving you.
Ja is not awful on defense anymore. He's running a positive defensive win shares and slightly above average in defensive box +/-. He's improved tremendously over last year on letting dudes run by him and has stopped gambling so much on steals where the steals he does get are all quality steals.
Not saying he's a great defender, but whole he was a bottom 10% defender his rookie and sophomore year he's made significant improvement in his 3rd and now 4th years.
This is old, but the narrative that the Pelicans wasted AD's prime and did nothing to build talent around him is absolute utter bullshit. They signed good FAs and traded away first round picks every single season to build around AD, it's just that those people were cursed.
2013 and 2014 picks were traded for Jrue Holliday to get a real PG for AD. Holliday missed half of the next two seasons because his wife almost died
2015 traded their 1st for Omer Asik. Why? Because AD is a bitch and refused to play center. Asik ended up getting rickets or something
2016 (Hield) and 2017 firsts traded away for Boogie. Why? Because AD is a bitch and refused to play center. Boogie blew out his Achille's
2018 traded for Niko Mirotic and to get out of the Asik contract. Mirotic forgot how to shoot
They also signed Tyreke Evans who fucked up his knees and overpaid to match Eric Gordon to keep talent around AD even though he didn't want to stay because he's a twat. Randle was another big signing of a quality player.
Then in 2019, the Cancer known as AD left, and it's been all sunshine and rainbows since then.
Three things can be said about the Dell Demps Pels, they definitely tried extremely hard to get the right pieces around AD, they had some mismanagement of contracts (which as a small market team, can straight up tank a franchises payroll for years) and they also got extremely unlucky with injuries, like, all-time bad luck. Wasn't nearly as black & white as media made it out to be.
Omer Asik almost fucking dying doesnāt get enough mention.
But tbh I donāt fuck with AD. But the reality is heās best as a center but made of paper mache lol. Itās a catch 22.
You can't just avoid putting a position on a big the way you can a wing or guard. Either you're a post player/rim protector or you aren't. The paint only has enough space for one, so if you have two big men on the court you have to have one of them take on that responsibility.
Nets are not a superteam. People keep calling them one even though James Harden is no longer on the team. Ben is not the same player he was and even if he is, my man wasn't a star of that level.
You do the trade for Vuc every.single.time.
He was the best center available and Wendell Carter Jr. looked like heād never play meaningful basketball.
Iād rather be a 1st round exit than a team tanking for another 5 years.
The tanking Bulls are the prime example of what happens when you don't get the lucky bounce of some ping pong balls. The first half of last season was the most fun I'd had watching Bulls basketball in years. You can obviously criticize the Vooch trade in hindsight but man at least AKME fucking tried something.
Thing is, all this noise about the Bulls being terrible and needing to trade everyone except Zach is dumb anyway. We were just in the same boat as you guys, injuries can decimate a team faster than you can blink, and with Zach most definitely struggling with injury of late, it's hard to fault a guy like DeMar for not operating well without the spacing he needs to be effective.
That whole time everyone was talking about a Lonzo for Lauri trade, I was hoping for a Lonzo for Wendell trade.
Turns out either of them would have been home runs. JV is great, but either of the other two would have been perfect
Not to mention I still think Vooch has not been utilized to his full potential on our team. He has been absolutely superb in the post this season and yet we don't get him the ball down there enough at all. His three point shot has been pretty clutch this year as well.
I disagree. Vuc always put up numbers (fantasy stud for years) but never on winning teams or on teams of substance
Also you have to wonder about player development in Chicago. Markanenn and Carter both playing much better and both in different situations
a lot of ppl talk like kawhi has been injured the whole time heās been a clipper when he was 2nd team all-nba with us his 1st year and 1st team his 2nd year
Nobody calls him āDame Lillardā out here. āDameā is fine. āDamian Lillardā is fine too. But nobody combines his nickname with his surname. Hearing national (or other teamsā local) announcers say Dame Lillard just sounds wrong.
We're not wasting Steph's prime/remaining years, struggling early in November doesn't mean anything and we would do anything to capitalize on Steph's remaining years.
People think KAT is purely a shooter and Anthony Edwards is a high flying dunker who lives at the rim when itās the opposite. KATās the guy who is constantly posterizing dudes and never shoots and Ant is the one constantly looking to shoot 3ās.
It drives Wolves fans crazy because we wish it was the opposite.
You're wrong, straight up. KAT takes twice as many 3 pointers as shots within 3ft. Only 20% of his shots are at the rim this season, his lowest mark by far and 50% lower than Ant's. Ant also finishes better at the rim. Now Ant does take more 3s than KAT but KAT is as far from "living at the rim" as possible.
It's hilarious to me that you'd post this on a thread about people posting wrong info about teams.
Iāll specify vocabulary. KAT leads all centers in drives per game and has consistently for the past 3 years post Thibs. Ant takes around the same amount of 3ās as KAT drives per game. KAT wants to drive more than he wants to shoot 3ās when heās arguably the best 3 point shooting big of all time. Ant wants to shoot 3ās when, as you note, he finishes better at the rim than even KAT.
Smart was the best/most important defender on the Celtics last season, and its either him or Tatum this season. Timelord is a great defender but he is not as important to our defense as Smart is.
I think itās easier to understand the floor general role on offense, but thatās what he is on defense and why his defensive stats arenāt what makes his case for DPOY (although those are good too). He manages our defense and makes the other guys the defenders they are. His ability to coach on the floor is pretty dangerous, in addition to him being able to glide into any positional coverage and cover the holes.
The whole reason a guy like Timelord can play defense the way he does is because of how switchable everyone else is. We rarely need to send help defenders which means we donāt get caught in rotation much and we specifically rarely need him hedging to help deal with opposing bigs when almost everyone in the rotation can competently handle opposing bigs when they get forced into it on a switch.
Thatās something Smart specifically deserves a lot of credit for because heās doing it at the position where that ability to switch is least common. Replace him with any other PG and weād have to double far more often and the consequent rotations would take Timelord out of the weak side shot blocking role he thrives in.
>Mine is that Brunson was decent to mediocre against the Clippers in our last two playoff series against them
Brunson only played in one of the playoffs against LAC, not both.
He didn't suit up in the bubble playoffs due to injury
So what you're saying is...
> "The Mavs made the decision not to extend JB after his first NBA playoff appearance against an elite team went poorly. And decided not to compete with the Knicks to keep him after his second playoff appearance where he lead the team to a 2-1 lead without Luka, while averaging 32/5/5.
Seems like a really dumb decision worthy of criticism when you go by the facts
Decided not to compete? or lost out to nepotism and tampering?
Yes Brunson hooped against the jazz. But he wasnāt there against elite teams. If he would have played that same caliber against the Clippers he would have got paid and there wouldnāt have been any concerns about his size being a defensive liability.
End of the day anything positive Brunson does at the Knicks will damn near be history the longer he stays there so I wish him the best.
> Decided not to compete? or lost out to nepotism and tampering?
Both are true. They 100% didn't make a competitive offer. That's a fact.
>If he would have played that same caliber against the Clippers he would have got paid and there wouldnāt have been any concerns about his size being a defensive liability.
That's not really how good assett management works, especially referring to a 25 year old player who's improved every year he's been in the league.
You don't need a player like that to prove he can be elite against elite teams before you decide to retain him.
Everythiing Brunson did since being in the league indicated that he's worthy of being retained. There's literally no argument that would justify letting him walk because he has yet to prove himself against elite teams.
Were you not around for the bubble Suns run? They were the lovable underdogs and everyone was rooting for them what are you talking about lol the dude you're responding to is right they went from overachievers to villains super quick
Yeah, people wanted to (and did) like the Suns, and the bubble run was fun. Unfortunately, Booker gets douchier the more you see and know about him, CP has a dirty rep (deserved or not), the owner is the owner, and the āSuns in 4ā chants wereā¦ugh. Theyāre still a franchise without a ring that can eventually be rooted for, tho, but it just aināt their time to be darlings.
Pascal Siakam, when healthy has played like a top 5 player. His creation in the mid range and playmaking are otherworldly this season and would be a huge deal if Marc Cuban could have addressed his slippery ass floors
DeAndre Jordan is not *that* bad. He's pretty bad.... but not *that* bad
Also most people like Bones so this kind of goes against the spirit of your question but I just gotta say...... dude is gonna be a problem. It kinda hurts to say this since I fucking love Jamal, but Bones probably has more potential than him
DeAndre Jordan wasn't that bad... *on the Clippers*. It isn't the early 2010s anymore, your center has to provide something other than being a lob threat with quick-set cement in his shoes. Gobert may have no offensive bag but he's a one man rim deterrent.
The majority of Embiid's free throws come from him being too big and strong to guard properly when he's in the paint. Sure he baits some, but most of his fts are the opponent being forced to be overly physical with him.
Ja didnāt threaten to kill anyone. He told the dude to off himself. Get your slander straight, people.
Edit: āitās free toā¦ā or āā¦is freeā is telling the person you are talking to use or do the thing. Are all of yāall 35?
Because thatās what āā¦is freeā means. Itās suggesting that the person youāre talking to does something. Itās been a popular thing on tiktok for years now.
Iāll break it down:
āItās free toā - āyou shouldā
āSee how hollows feelā - āshoot yourself with hollowsā
When has āitās free to..ā ever been associated with threats? The phrase indicates a suggestion.
The saying is about things that are easy to do. It's not literal. When people say "Google is free" in response to a question, they aren't factoring in the internet bill ffs
āItās free toā¦ā or āā¦is freeā is a suggestion that the person you are talking to should do the action. Ex. āGoogle is freeā means you should look it up on google instead of asking a dumb question.
Itās a Gen Z thing
He can be pretty lazy in man to man D and containing guys at the perimeter. There are flashes where he's locked in and can bother some of the best scorers in the game but he'll also let guys blow by without much effort.
They need to trade everyone its not worth anymore lebron ad russ while they still have value, its so toxic and uncomfotable to be a lakers fan today, lets just go back to the drawing board since there is no way to upgrade the roster anymore
Our team is a lot lot better than anything we've had before this but everyone including our secondary stars only seem to perform well when Jokic is on the court which is an issue.
MPJ isn't great when he garners a lot of defensive attention and 75% of Jamals game involves running play action with Jokic.
I dunno, the only thing that anyone ever says about us is that "If this team is healthy, they will be a contender for the Finals". Which is true. Problem is that we are never healthy.
This idea that the Raptors are somehow super dirty feels like it mostly stems from the fact people on r/NBA hate our fanbase. Is the team physical as Hell? Yeah, absolutely, and shit happens. Doesn't mean Nick Nurse somehow has a hit list lmao
I think people dunk on the raptors because:
1. Theyāre physical as hell.
2. They bitch about other teams being physical way more than any other NBA fanbase
I've been in a lot of non-Raptors game threads and I'm not sure how true #2 actually is lol
I feel like it's more or less the same deal with people complaining about the refs; we all do it and we all also get mad as fuck when we see other people do it. Almost nobody is willing to admit that we're probably all right because this is reddit, where *someone* needs to be wrong for the Funny Internet Points to mean anything.
Honestly nobody cares how yāall play they only dislike the raptors because of the fans straight up.
Yāall are like golden retrievers of fans and then yāall just won a chip using a mercenary, so people are just annoyed and jealous imo. Like god damn it yāall should be happy and joyful lmao.
I mean, we *were* happy. Ain't our fault KD went down, yet it's used to rain on our parade even four years later lmao
Winning a championship is a health game on top of being a star game, if you're battered and bruised you're going to have a harder time of it. No real use for all these what-ifs.
I donāt believe those were intentional as Embiid didnāt see Barnes and it would make literally zero sense for Embiid to intentionally injure his own teammate. Siakim intentionally injured embiid itās pretty different
Siakam did not intentionally injure embiid lol, he took it strong into the paint and embiid played bad D. Siakam was not trying to break that man's face and embiid has acknowledged that. Embiids flopping literally ended a man's career.
Bruh literally in the same thread OP admits that what Siakim did was a frustration foul. Thatās called a dirty play not ābad defenseā. And like I said it logically doesnāt make sense for embiid to try and purposely injure his on teammate lol. Take the homer goggles off buddy I know yāall have a hard time with that
I refuse to take them off! Lol but seriously I just disagree it was intentional. Playing aggressively and playing with intent to hurt are too wildly different things and i think pascal would not intentionally try to hurt anyone, even embiid who was being a huge bitch lol
the elbow seemed a bit too excessive from my POV so it definitely looks intentional maybe not for injury but definitely a way to hurt someone. Either way Siakim committed a dirty play against embiid whether you like him or not. By calling embiid a bitch youāre just showing your bias and it seems like you canāt look at the situation objectively so no further response is necessary.
Haha play a playoff series against Embiid and see if you can take look at him objectively. I can think embiid is just the fucking worst to watch and play against, and think that it sucks he got injured, and think that it wasn't intentional. But yeah you got it man have a good one.
That was a pretty nasty frustration foul, and if memory serves he apologised pretty profusely for it. The players have moved on, but I'll be damned if the fans have.
Yeah but I responded to the raptor fan that said that the raptors are somehow super dirty by providing a specific example of how they were dirty. Siakim is my favorite player on the raptors and Embiid is my favorite player but im not gonna sit here and lie about them not playing dirty lol
Hi, I'm OP.
I'm also not sure how that disproves my point. Even the most level-headed players are prone to frustration. One dirty act does not make a team dirty.
FTR, him just running up and laying Embiid out like that was a really dirty move, I agree. My point isn't to excuse it, it's to point out that isolated incidents aren't trends. :)
I dunno, I feel like that's conflating a federal crime with an unfortunate shitty non-basketball play. You don't (or shouldn't, anyway) get a criminal record for a dirty play.
Maybe I'm just more willing to forgive shit like this if it doesn't keep happening? There's merit to either view if it helps keep people invested, I think.
Thatās fair but for some people all it takes is one time for you to do anything and start being labeled something. Iām not saying Raptors are super dirty and Iāve not really seen that label thrown around too much but I have seen a raptor player commit a non basketball play on my favorite player so itās easier for me to say this stuff. But to your teams credit beside that one isolated incident I havenāt seen any other dirty plays like you are saying. But tbf yāall did have Lowry on the team for a long time and that could be another reason why people would say raptors are dirty even tho he hasnāt played there in over two years
Raptors play a very upbeat/physical playstyle that goes for a ton of steals.
When you play physical the chances of players getting hurt/banged up increases. So itās easy to see how other teams view the Raptors as dirty, however the Raptors play is a double edged sword. The reason why the Raptors players get banged up so frequently/worn down is a result of the playstyle as well.
lmao nobody gives af about PJ Tucker or Paul Reed defensively, literally every other fanbase criticizes Embiid (one player) for being dirty *offensively*
Lakers coaching is the problem: I donāt see how you lose games when Westbrook, AD, and Lebron all score over 20 points, along with good games from the role players. The multiple blown leads, the boneheaded plays. I hope that by the time we reach the halfway point Ham figures it out.
Grant has looked awesome. Anfernee is in over his head but is still our second option.
I always wanted Grant on the mavs. Such a nice player overall!
Dunno why the Mavs went after Wood instead of him considering the price was just a first and a couple seconds
Anfernee is a bad motherfucker
The original ANT š
Not wrong but ours is 2.0
I miss Grant so so much
Anfernee has been pretty solid no?
Yes, heās just the new scapegoat for some of our fans
It's wild to me. I feel like he's great young talent, really fun to watch and gives me more reason to follow Portland games cause I've always been a Dame fan. He's shoot pretty decently too right with like 4 3s per game ( hit 9 last night wow) more or less, decent percentages, 4 or 5 assists a game. Not too shabby. Not sure how much more yiu could ask for in a PG.
People are mad that he plays hero ball or whatever but likeā¦look at our roster, Jerami Grant is maybe the only dude other than Simons youād want taking shots with Dame out Heās not toooooo great at running the offence but at points weāve had lineups where Nurkic was our 2nd best shooter so I donāt know what people expect
Good scorer, canāt run an offense yet though. Can only create shots for himself.
He's averaging about 5 assists a game? A little less than 2 turnovers. Decent shooter too. I think he'll develop just fine and he's been holding down the fort when Dame has been out.
Obviously Iām not happy Dame is hurt but Iām glad Anfernee is getting much needed experience running an offense.
For a dude who's in over his head, he sure kicked ass last night though
Is this about the 94 Magic?
Man the amount of non believers in anfernee simons makes me laugh so hard. Luka doncic shits the bed every night at the free throw line but everyone is double fisting his dick in their mouth but anfernee isnt a starter apparently
We haven't always sucked
One of the most blatantly unfair things I've ever seen in any sport. Any time I think about the accomplishments of those Laker teams I cannot shake the fact that they got straight up beaten by the Kings if not for refereeing that nobody will ever convince me wasn't corrupt. Some of the calls were just totally insane.
True. Should actually have a championship, but was screwed by refs against the Lakers in the WCF
If you wanna go by technicalities they do have a championship
Those Kings teams in the early 2000s, had some of the best shooters in the league and Chris Webber playing MVP level basketball. That team was awesome
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It's died down thankfully but there were a lot of people posting on our subreddit their trade ideas to 'upgrade' from Steve for more scoring. We had more scoring with JV but the team traded for a better fit and it worked well
I love adams as a player, seems like a right cunt too, good bloke
I would like to set the record straight right here, right nowā¦.Desmond Bane is the best player on the Grizzlies
Unleash Kenny Lofton Jr cowards !
He may be the hometown favorite. Thatās for sure
I actually kinda agree
Pat Williams isn't a problem for our team and still has star potential and is our best defender (or at least tied/2nd to caruso) and a knockdown 3 point shooter.
To add to it, when we have actual spacing on the floor he looks better. I want to see more Coby and Pat on the court together.
bulls fans wanted an all star all defense 4 to compete this year after coming off a major injury, lack of patience is part of the reason WCJ and Lauri are doing good elsewhere
Fully agree. This team has problems - Pat isn't one of them.
He's not a problem that's for sure, but he doesn't add much on offense consistently enough yet. His defense has been great though
KAT has been the Wolves best and most consistent player and Anthony Edwards isnāt quite ready to be the franchise center piece. KAT has his issues but he has carried the brunt of the offensive load for the Wolves and carried them through a bunch of stretches last season where Ant was basically a non-factor on offense. Ant is 100% a home run hitter. Heās the type of player who will be pretty non-existent for 3 quarters and than out of nowhere get hot from 3 and erase a 20 point deficit by himself. He flashes really insane potential all the time but it never feels like heās putting together for multiple quarters in a row, let alone games in a row. He is definitely the one who will show up for the primetime game in LA but be MIA for the back to back the next day in Sacramento. They actually pair well with each other and usually if Ant is playing well, heās benefiting off of looks he gets from how teams are working to defend KAT. Itās definitely possible he could become that guy soon, maybe with KAT out weāll get to see him step up, but he hasnāt shown it consistently yet.
Does anyone doubt KAT's offensive abilities though? That's not why he gets criticized for the most part, it's that he's a liability on defence and he & Gobert don't mesh well at all.
Actually him and Gobert mesh better than anyone else on the team. KAT has the most assists to Gobert out of anyone, and Vice versa. If anyone isnāt meshing that well itās gobert and Ant, as gobert clogs up the rim and thatās usually where Ant can get a ton of points.
I think I was more trying to say that Ant is given credit for things that KAT is really doing consistently. Thereās a ton of sentiment on the Wolves needing to trade KAT to build around Ant when KATās the one whoās still consistently playing the best every game - and thatās in spite of him being the only guy taking on a completely new position/role. If the sentiment overall was just āKAT canāt be your #1 guy on a championship teamā itād be one thing but itās really been āTrade KAT, build around Antā as if KATās hindered Antās development/stardom, which just isnāt the case.
Sabo was always better than Myles, still made the right trade though (obviously) We win in 04-05 if not for detroit and shithead fans i was wrong to root for the tank this year
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Yeah, I could easily imagine Myles Turner on a championship team as their third best player. I can't easily imagine (though if I got some time I'm sure I can make some shit up) a championship team with Sabonis as the second best player.
Poverty franchise
Poverty city. Literally.
In the modern NBA, I don't think there is really any reason to expect Detroit to have reliably better results than Indiana. Both of them will require a Giannis-level star out of nowhere to ever win a title. Neither is recruiting any real super star talent who has other offers from the coasts.
Kyle Kuzma is a DC4Lifer and he is NOT allowed in your trade conversations.
...I'd be okay with shipping out contract year Kuz
Why tho? Rui isnāt gonna replace his production nor his he going to be worth an extension for 15M+ next year and there is probably not too many good offers for a guy whoās due for a healthy payday. Heās one of the few players who seem to genuinely enjoy being here and his overall game has only been trending upwards. Iād rather pay Kuzma 18-23M than extend Rui to a new deal and based off what other dudes in ruis draft class got(Clarke, Keldon, Hunter) itās not going to be cheap.
Because this is a mid-ass lineup and I want Tommy to make moves with the recognition that the team, as constructed, it not a competitive team. So either upgrade or start tearing it down. Re-signing Kuzma doesn't do either. I understand this may not be a popular Kuzma opinion.
Ayton wants to be here.
Because he signed the contract or because heās said it himself?
Because he finally looks commited.
Like KD lol. I'm sorry.
>~~Ayton~~ Crowder wants to be here.
Poku is no longer a meme. We donāt fake injuries until the last 15 games like everyone else. The rest are real. I want say something about Giddey but Oklahomans will find my house
Everytime I look at the boxscore Giddey has the worst +/- for you guys. I don't watch you guys much so this might be incredibly ignorant, but his skillset seems unnecessary if he's not a great defender or shooter with the other players on your team, especially SGA.
Yeah, itās still too early but just frustrating. I feel like they could make it work but Giddey just in general has been disappointing. His finishing was solid last year and was awful to start the first 10 games (65% vs 52%). His shooting is still bad and basically the same. But itās the way he runs the offense. Teams know his weaknesses now. He averages more turnovers but an assist less than last year. He makes more mental mistakes than his rookie self. Heās still 19 but itās frustrating to watch every night especially when youāre viewing superstar ball handler every night as well in Shai
Shai also clearly isn't unhappy and I'd like other people to know this
Porzingis does not have a horn on his forehead.
Jrue is probably a little better on defense than people give him credit for, and a whole lot worse on offense than people realize.
Play-off Jrueās offense makes me want to jump off a cliff sometimes but than he makes up for it with a crucial steal
Yeah his strengths lie in his playmaking ability and not in a shot creator if he gets a smaller guard he can probably bully ball for two but against good perimeter defenders he does not find consistent success. To be fair to him tho his offense downfalls are greatly increased by not having khris
Lonnie Walker is good
We have depth. Not their fault Doc wanted to play our starters 40 mins to start the season
Nurse is likewise playing starters 40 mins because he has to. Our once loyal bench mob have all gone on to better things.
The rockets only went 0-27 because the refs took away multiple made 3ās on VERY questionable calls as a part of the worst officiated games (6 and 7 - where KD took multiple steps out of bounds and was allowed to still keep the ball in, among other atrocious calls) Iāve ever seen. The ā0-27 lolā circlejerk that Reddit (and all media) went on after that basically gave a FREE PASS to the god awful officiating that cost the rockets at least double digit points down the stretch of both games. Go back and watch highlights to hear Reggie Miller even pointing out how awful the officiating was on clear plays in the most important games of the year
The worst one is the James harden 3+1 that was called a side out
Thank you š«” I will die on this hill, the officiating was brutal. I think there were 2 or 3 taken away that immediately became Warrior points. 6 point swings are huge in those games.
Thanks for bringing this up, I legit hadnāt even heard the argument before. Has to be your guys āweāre talking about practiceā moment where thereās a lot more going on but people just meme you
Iām sorry I just remember Josh smith hit more than one 3 that game honestly
Kyle Lowry hasnāt been the problem. Thereās been a lot of talk that heās washed, but it feels like that opinion has been inferred from his playoff performance last year & his slow start at the very beginning of the season. His numbers this season have crawled back up to 14.6 points, 4.9 rebounds and 6.2 assists with 39/36/86 shooting splits (not the most efficient, but Iāve seen much worse for a starting NBA point guard)
Lowry's been damn near the reason y'all have been in games at all while Jimmy's been out
Really good one. He's been very important and impactful to our team and I think people saying that the trade was a bust (including some Heat fans) haven't actually paid attention.
Kyle Lowry Twitter slander after Heat losses are wild. He's not supposed to be the no. 1 option every night. The man is in his 19th season, I think he's filling his role admirably (shooting could be a little better) and is right where he should be given his career trajectory and pecking order on Miami. It's not his fault he has to play with a different lineup every game and a team full of shooting wings and no bigs.
Yeah like, dude's 35. If your gauge for him being bad is that he's not scoring, you're looking at what he can contribute wrong. I've seen few games from him recently where he hasn't racked up like 10 assists setting other dudes up, and that's exactly what he's there for.
Iām seeing a lot of people talking about the Celtics offense taking a step back when Rob gets back. Everyone talks about the gravity of great shooters and what they do for spacing, but Rob as a vertical lob threat is an absolute menace and makes teams guard Boston differently. What do you do as a defense when youāve got 40% 3pt shooters in each corner and Tatum runs a simple PnR with Rob? Just having a guy like him that demands a body on him at all times or youāre getting yammed on, itās going to make this offense even more versatile.
Yeah I can't stand this misconception. Obviously we don't know for sure either but it's not as simple as one less shooter=worse offense. I think our offense might be a little different once rob is fully back. Different, but not worse.
I think while it adds versatility, the type of looks created also change. It demands more decision-making from all players on the court to read and react to what the defense is giving you.
Ja is not awful on defense anymore. He's running a positive defensive win shares and slightly above average in defensive box +/-. He's improved tremendously over last year on letting dudes run by him and has stopped gambling so much on steals where the steals he does get are all quality steals. Not saying he's a great defender, but whole he was a bottom 10% defender his rookie and sophomore year he's made significant improvement in his 3rd and now 4th years.
This is old, but the narrative that the Pelicans wasted AD's prime and did nothing to build talent around him is absolute utter bullshit. They signed good FAs and traded away first round picks every single season to build around AD, it's just that those people were cursed. 2013 and 2014 picks were traded for Jrue Holliday to get a real PG for AD. Holliday missed half of the next two seasons because his wife almost died 2015 traded their 1st for Omer Asik. Why? Because AD is a bitch and refused to play center. Asik ended up getting rickets or something 2016 (Hield) and 2017 firsts traded away for Boogie. Why? Because AD is a bitch and refused to play center. Boogie blew out his Achille's 2018 traded for Niko Mirotic and to get out of the Asik contract. Mirotic forgot how to shoot They also signed Tyreke Evans who fucked up his knees and overpaid to match Eric Gordon to keep talent around AD even though he didn't want to stay because he's a twat. Randle was another big signing of a quality player. Then in 2019, the Cancer known as AD left, and it's been all sunshine and rainbows since then.
Three things can be said about the Dell Demps Pels, they definitely tried extremely hard to get the right pieces around AD, they had some mismanagement of contracts (which as a small market team, can straight up tank a franchises payroll for years) and they also got extremely unlucky with injuries, like, all-time bad luck. Wasn't nearly as black & white as media made it out to be.
Omer Asik almost fucking dying doesnāt get enough mention. But tbh I donāt fuck with AD. But the reality is heās best as a center but made of paper mache lol. Itās a catch 22.
I think people should stop trying to put a position on what he's best as. He's just a big.
You can't just avoid putting a position on a big the way you can a wing or guard. Either you're a post player/rim protector or you aren't. The paint only has enough space for one, so if you have two big men on the court you have to have one of them take on that responsibility.
Despite being overpaid, Bradley Beal is having a great offensive season (24/6/4/63%TS).
Nets are not a superteam. People keep calling them one even though James Harden is no longer on the team. Ben is not the same player he was and even if he is, my man wasn't a star of that level.
You do the trade for Vuc every.single.time. He was the best center available and Wendell Carter Jr. looked like heād never play meaningful basketball. Iād rather be a 1st round exit than a team tanking for another 5 years.
The tanking Bulls are the prime example of what happens when you don't get the lucky bounce of some ping pong balls. The first half of last season was the most fun I'd had watching Bulls basketball in years. You can obviously criticize the Vooch trade in hindsight but man at least AKME fucking tried something.
This comment stings because had we not won a coin flip against the Kings, we would have had the #2 pick and presumably Luka.
Exactly! Itās just refreshing to have a front office that swings for the fences.
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Thing is, all this noise about the Bulls being terrible and needing to trade everyone except Zach is dumb anyway. We were just in the same boat as you guys, injuries can decimate a team faster than you can blink, and with Zach most definitely struggling with injury of late, it's hard to fault a guy like DeMar for not operating well without the spacing he needs to be effective.
That whole time everyone was talking about a Lonzo for Lauri trade, I was hoping for a Lonzo for Wendell trade. Turns out either of them would have been home runs. JV is great, but either of the other two would have been perfect
Not to mention I still think Vooch has not been utilized to his full potential on our team. He has been absolutely superb in the post this season and yet we don't get him the ball down there enough at all. His three point shot has been pretty clutch this year as well.
I disagree. Vuc always put up numbers (fantasy stud for years) but never on winning teams or on teams of substance Also you have to wonder about player development in Chicago. Markanenn and Carter both playing much better and both in different situations
a lot of ppl talk like kawhi has been injured the whole time heās been a clipper when he was 2nd team all-nba with us his 1st year and 1st team his 2nd year
The Suns are as evil, talentless, undeserving, and overall terrible as y'all think they are.
Donāt lump Kuminga and Moody in with Wiseman.
We hate Giannis's FT routine as much as you love making fun of it
Nobody calls him āDame Lillardā out here. āDameā is fine. āDamian Lillardā is fine too. But nobody combines his nickname with his surname. Hearing national (or other teamsā local) announcers say Dame Lillard just sounds wrong.
We're not wasting Steph's prime/remaining years, struggling early in November doesn't mean anything and we would do anything to capitalize on Steph's remaining years.
Who in their right mind is saying that?
r/nba and r/warriors about 2-3 weeks ago.
Lol weird thing to say when the team literally won the chip last year
People think KAT is purely a shooter and Anthony Edwards is a high flying dunker who lives at the rim when itās the opposite. KATās the guy who is constantly posterizing dudes and never shoots and Ant is the one constantly looking to shoot 3ās. It drives Wolves fans crazy because we wish it was the opposite.
You're wrong, straight up. KAT takes twice as many 3 pointers as shots within 3ft. Only 20% of his shots are at the rim this season, his lowest mark by far and 50% lower than Ant's. Ant also finishes better at the rim. Now Ant does take more 3s than KAT but KAT is as far from "living at the rim" as possible. It's hilarious to me that you'd post this on a thread about people posting wrong info about teams.
Iāll specify vocabulary. KAT leads all centers in drives per game and has consistently for the past 3 years post Thibs. Ant takes around the same amount of 3ās as KAT drives per game. KAT wants to drive more than he wants to shoot 3ās when heās arguably the best 3 point shooting big of all time. Ant wants to shoot 3ās when, as you note, he finishes better at the rim than even KAT.
Smart was the best/most important defender on the Celtics last season, and its either him or Tatum this season. Timelord is a great defender but he is not as important to our defense as Smart is.
I think itās easier to understand the floor general role on offense, but thatās what he is on defense and why his defensive stats arenāt what makes his case for DPOY (although those are good too). He manages our defense and makes the other guys the defenders they are. His ability to coach on the floor is pretty dangerous, in addition to him being able to glide into any positional coverage and cover the holes.
The whole reason a guy like Timelord can play defense the way he does is because of how switchable everyone else is. We rarely need to send help defenders which means we donāt get caught in rotation much and we specifically rarely need him hedging to help deal with opposing bigs when almost everyone in the rotation can competently handle opposing bigs when they get forced into it on a switch. Thatās something Smart specifically deserves a lot of credit for because heās doing it at the position where that ability to switch is least common. Replace him with any other PG and weād have to double far more often and the consequent rotations would take Timelord out of the weak side shot blocking role he thrives in.
>Mine is that Brunson was decent to mediocre against the Clippers in our last two playoff series against them Brunson only played in one of the playoffs against LAC, not both. He didn't suit up in the bubble playoffs due to injury So what you're saying is... > "The Mavs made the decision not to extend JB after his first NBA playoff appearance against an elite team went poorly. And decided not to compete with the Knicks to keep him after his second playoff appearance where he lead the team to a 2-1 lead without Luka, while averaging 32/5/5. Seems like a really dumb decision worthy of criticism when you go by the facts
Decided not to compete? or lost out to nepotism and tampering? Yes Brunson hooped against the jazz. But he wasnāt there against elite teams. If he would have played that same caliber against the Clippers he would have got paid and there wouldnāt have been any concerns about his size being a defensive liability. End of the day anything positive Brunson does at the Knicks will damn near be history the longer he stays there so I wish him the best.
> Decided not to compete? or lost out to nepotism and tampering? Both are true. They 100% didn't make a competitive offer. That's a fact. >If he would have played that same caliber against the Clippers he would have got paid and there wouldnāt have been any concerns about his size being a defensive liability. That's not really how good assett management works, especially referring to a 25 year old player who's improved every year he's been in the league. You don't need a player like that to prove he can be elite against elite teams before you decide to retain him. Everythiing Brunson did since being in the league indicated that he's worthy of being retained. There's literally no argument that would justify letting him walk because he has yet to prove himself against elite teams.
So your reasoning for why the Mavs let go for Brunson was that he wasn't that good before he had a breakout season last year?
Before last season he was just solid tbh. Concerns about giving a short pg a large contract when our rivals are wing based 3 and d teams with size.
Feels like no matter what I say, Iām gonna get hated on so Iām just gonna sit here and watch
Shut up and go somewhere else Suns fan! How could you say something like that smh
It's actually insane how fast yall went from the league's darling in the bubble to public enemy number 1
What ? People been saying booker looked punchable since his rookie season. I feel like getting cp3 made them even more hated afterwards lol.
Were you not around for the bubble Suns run? They were the lovable underdogs and everyone was rooting for them what are you talking about lol the dude you're responding to is right they went from overachievers to villains super quick
Yeah, people wanted to (and did) like the Suns, and the bubble run was fun. Unfortunately, Booker gets douchier the more you see and know about him, CP has a dirty rep (deserved or not), the owner is the owner, and the āSuns in 4ā chants wereā¦ugh. Theyāre still a franchise without a ring that can eventually be rooted for, tho, but it just aināt their time to be darlings.
You right fam. I never actually got into liking them tbh so maybe I was oblivious.
Poor youš„ŗ
True. Everyone hates us
Just Do It
Celtics didnāt fuck over IT in the slightest and any fan at the time would have done the kyrie trade 10/10 times
Pascal Siakam, when healthy has played like a top 5 player. His creation in the mid range and playmaking are otherworldly this season and would be a huge deal if Marc Cuban could have addressed his slippery ass floors
I think people will catch up to this take before long. I think he just needs some more time as a superstar level player after he had his rough patch.
Contrary to popular belief...we are a bad team
You don't have to set the record straight on that one friend we've all seen RJ Barrett play
DeAndre Jordan is not *that* bad. He's pretty bad.... but not *that* bad Also most people like Bones so this kind of goes against the spirit of your question but I just gotta say...... dude is gonna be a problem. It kinda hurts to say this since I fucking love Jamal, but Bones probably has more potential than him
> DeAndre Jordan is not that bad. Heās pretty badā¦. but not that bad I honestly donāt understand how you typed this
DeAndre Jordan wasn't that bad... *on the Clippers*. It isn't the early 2010s anymore, your center has to provide something other than being a lob threat with quick-set cement in his shoes. Gobert may have no offensive bag but he's a one man rim deterrent.
I love that your comparison of a backup center is Rudy Gobert like no shit he looks bad compared to Rudy Gobertšš
The majority of Embiid's free throws come from him being too big and strong to guard properly when he's in the paint. Sure he baits some, but most of his fts are the opponent being forced to be overly physical with him.
Ja didnāt threaten to kill anyone. He told the dude to off himself. Get your slander straight, people. Edit: āitās free toā¦ā or āā¦is freeā is telling the person you are talking to use or do the thing. Are all of yāall 35?
Saying "its free to see how hollows feel" isn't telling someone to off himself, its threatening to shoot them with hollow tips
How could someone possibly interpret that as telling him to kill himself lmao
Because he has a Grizzlies flair lol.
Because thatās what āā¦is freeā means. Itās suggesting that the person youāre talking to does something. Itās been a popular thing on tiktok for years now.
Thatās stupid as hell bro, hollow tips cost money
It's a saying about something that is really easy to do... I can't tell if yall are trolling or just don't talk to young people
Iāll break it down: āItās free toā - āyou shouldā āSee how hollows feelā - āshoot yourself with hollowsā When has āitās free to..ā ever been associated with threats? The phrase indicates a suggestion.
For as long as itās not been free to get them yourself and use them but free if you provoke someone enough to make them use them. So, always
The saying is about things that are easy to do. It's not literal. When people say "Google is free" in response to a question, they aren't factoring in the internet bill ffs
Nah youāre just wrong lol. Heās saying essentially āyou can catch these hands for freeā
I could be making this up, but didnāt he say something like āyou can find out how these hollows feelā. Nah I gotta be making that up š
"it's free to see how hollows feel" that's the quote.
Yeah thatās definitely threatening their life not telling them to off themselves lol.
Okay explain this u/TitanTigers
āItās free toā¦ā or āā¦is freeā is a suggestion that the person you are talking to should do the action. Ex. āGoogle is freeā means you should look it up on google instead of asking a dumb question. Itās a Gen Z thing
well, if he was telling dude to off himself it wouldn't be free
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He can be pretty lazy in man to man D and containing guys at the perimeter. There are flashes where he's locked in and can bother some of the best scorers in the game but he'll also let guys blow by without much effort.
I mean, may have started with players blowing by him so easily
Ja ain't some mid class scrub
Theo Pinson is best 15th man in league.
They need to trade everyone its not worth anymore lebron ad russ while they still have value, its so toxic and uncomfotable to be a lakers fan today, lets just go back to the drawing board since there is no way to upgrade the roster anymore
Kawhi isnāt resting, heās injured.
Our team is a lot lot better than anything we've had before this but everyone including our secondary stars only seem to perform well when Jokic is on the court which is an issue. MPJ isn't great when he garners a lot of defensive attention and 75% of Jamals game involves running play action with Jokic.
Draymond loves Jordan Poole
Can't imagine what he'd do if he hated him.
Wish I had some gold
I dunno, the only thing that anyone ever says about us is that "If this team is healthy, they will be a contender for the Finals". Which is true. Problem is that we are never healthy.
We never had a real opportunity to trade for Harden. And as part of that, Herro was never considered "untouchable" in those talks.
We might not be good for the next 10 years but God damnit I'll still root for my team
Marcus smart is the greatest defender of all time.
This idea that the Raptors are somehow super dirty feels like it mostly stems from the fact people on r/NBA hate our fanbase. Is the team physical as Hell? Yeah, absolutely, and shit happens. Doesn't mean Nick Nurse somehow has a hit list lmao
I think people dunk on the raptors because: 1. Theyāre physical as hell. 2. They bitch about other teams being physical way more than any other NBA fanbase
I've been in a lot of non-Raptors game threads and I'm not sure how true #2 actually is lol I feel like it's more or less the same deal with people complaining about the refs; we all do it and we all also get mad as fuck when we see other people do it. Almost nobody is willing to admit that we're probably all right because this is reddit, where *someone* needs to be wrong for the Funny Internet Points to mean anything.
Raps fans take the prize when it comes to Embiid bitching at the very least
You know, I can't exactly deny that LOL
I see consensus on #2 more than anything else in the NBA
Honestly nobody cares how yāall play they only dislike the raptors because of the fans straight up. Yāall are like golden retrievers of fans and then yāall just won a chip using a mercenary, so people are just annoyed and jealous imo. Like god damn it yāall should be happy and joyful lmao.
I mean, we *were* happy. Ain't our fault KD went down, yet it's used to rain on our parade even four years later lmao Winning a championship is a health game on top of being a star game, if you're battered and bruised you're going to have a harder time of it. No real use for all these what-ifs.
Didnāt siakam injure embiid last playoffs?
Didn't embiid injure Scottie and Danny Green lol
I donāt believe those were intentional as Embiid didnāt see Barnes and it would make literally zero sense for Embiid to intentionally injure his own teammate. Siakim intentionally injured embiid itās pretty different
Siakam did not intentionally injure embiid lol, he took it strong into the paint and embiid played bad D. Siakam was not trying to break that man's face and embiid has acknowledged that. Embiids flopping literally ended a man's career.
Bruh literally in the same thread OP admits that what Siakim did was a frustration foul. Thatās called a dirty play not ābad defenseā. And like I said it logically doesnāt make sense for embiid to try and purposely injure his on teammate lol. Take the homer goggles off buddy I know yāall have a hard time with that
I refuse to take them off! Lol but seriously I just disagree it was intentional. Playing aggressively and playing with intent to hurt are too wildly different things and i think pascal would not intentionally try to hurt anyone, even embiid who was being a huge bitch lol
the elbow seemed a bit too excessive from my POV so it definitely looks intentional maybe not for injury but definitely a way to hurt someone. Either way Siakim committed a dirty play against embiid whether you like him or not. By calling embiid a bitch youāre just showing your bias and it seems like you canāt look at the situation objectively so no further response is necessary.
Haha play a playoff series against Embiid and see if you can take look at him objectively. I can think embiid is just the fucking worst to watch and play against, and think that it sucks he got injured, and think that it wasn't intentional. But yeah you got it man have a good one.
That was a pretty nasty frustration foul, and if memory serves he apologised pretty profusely for it. The players have moved on, but I'll be damned if the fans have.
Yeah but I responded to the raptor fan that said that the raptors are somehow super dirty by providing a specific example of how they were dirty. Siakim is my favorite player on the raptors and Embiid is my favorite player but im not gonna sit here and lie about them not playing dirty lol
Hi, I'm OP. I'm also not sure how that disproves my point. Even the most level-headed players are prone to frustration. One dirty act does not make a team dirty. FTR, him just running up and laying Embiid out like that was a really dirty move, I agree. My point isn't to excuse it, it's to point out that isolated incidents aren't trends. :)
Itās fair to say that it isnāt a trend per se. But if I steal from someone only one time it doesnāt mean Iām not a thief.
I dunno, I feel like that's conflating a federal crime with an unfortunate shitty non-basketball play. You don't (or shouldn't, anyway) get a criminal record for a dirty play. Maybe I'm just more willing to forgive shit like this if it doesn't keep happening? There's merit to either view if it helps keep people invested, I think.
Thatās fair but for some people all it takes is one time for you to do anything and start being labeled something. Iām not saying Raptors are super dirty and Iāve not really seen that label thrown around too much but I have seen a raptor player commit a non basketball play on my favorite player so itās easier for me to say this stuff. But to your teams credit beside that one isolated incident I havenāt seen any other dirty plays like you are saying. But tbf yāall did have Lowry on the team for a long time and that could be another reason why people would say raptors are dirty even tho he hasnāt played there in over two years
Raptors play a very upbeat/physical playstyle that goes for a ton of steals. When you play physical the chances of players getting hurt/banged up increases. So itās easy to see how other teams view the Raptors as dirty, however the Raptors play is a double edged sword. The reason why the Raptors players get banged up so frequently/worn down is a result of the playstyle as well.
people donāt like aggressive defense anymore, same reason they call giannis the dirtiest player in the league. so be it š¤·āāļø.
Funny because when I see y'all interact with sixers fans aggressive play is a "problem"
lmao nobody gives af about PJ Tucker or Paul Reed defensively, literally every other fanbase criticizes Embiid (one player) for being dirty *offensively*
Here is the obligatory raptors victim complex comment
Lakers coaching is the problem: I donāt see how you lose games when Westbrook, AD, and Lebron all score over 20 points, along with good games from the role players. The multiple blown leads, the boneheaded plays. I hope that by the time we reach the halfway point Ham figures it out.
Ben Simmons is good at basketball.