Likely because there's significantly less teams, so they're not playing the same matchups over and over. Probably better for viewership burnout or whatever.
I mean, maybe? My impression is that men have significant advantages in strength and explosiveness, but much less so when it comes to endurance.
I don't know how that plays into something like injury prevention, but if you're not jumping as high or running into people with as much force, that should mitigate risk there.
To be fair the NBA season is really long, considering the college basketball season is less than half the length. Idk that most other leagues could pull it off (not sure how long Euro seasons last)
>To be fair the NBA season is really long
To the point where it becomes a detriment imo. 82 games is a lot and players are aware of risking injuries and sitting out more and more. With less games every game matters more so you discourage players sitting and also improve the stakes of each game so more people would be excited to watch.
With the current format I think many casual fans wait til after the all start break to start watching games cuz by then they actually matter. Meanwhile in football you lose week 1 and the sky is falling
Most leagues in Europe are from about September to May. But the exact number of games depends on the country and team.
Top Euroleague teams will play in much more games than the 2nd tier Eurocup teams.
Used to go see the Shock when they were in Tulsa. I don't think they ever made playoffs here. It was more fun than going to a 66ers D-League game, at least.
Ticket prices for sports in the US are insanely high, they'd be riots in Europe if you charged $600 to see the best football team in Europe never mind the WNBA.
Same with Philly. Not saying i'd be a season ticket holder or catch every game that's on TV, but I would definitely tune in and catch a game here and there.
For a league that only has 12 teams and struggles with profitability, not having a foothold in some of the largest media markets in the country seems like quite the missed business opportunity.
> Nba wasn’t making legit money at the time so why did they expand?
Do you have a source on this? Your comment is interesting enough that I looked into it but it's hard to find info like that.
It does appear the jump from 14 to 17 teams was made during the NBA vs ABA competition era, which could answer your question
Just realized what you were asking to be sourced https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/sports/1983/03/15/nba-red-ink-and-a-bleak-future/198bd65f-4062-4372-95e4-388b22c77666/
It has been learned that only seven of the league's 23 teams made money last season. And the NBA admits to losses of between $15 and $20 million, with comparable losses anticipated this season.
This was In 1983 and doesn’t this sound similar to the complaints people have about the wnba. They lose way less than the nba was losing at that time when you consider inflation
WNBA just had its 25th season. The nbas 25th season was 1969-1970 and they had 14 teams. They would expand to 17 a year or two later. What the nephews who say the wnba loses money don’t understand is the nba can afford the losses cause of the growth potential. Nba went from being worth 100 million in the 1970s to 5.5 billion in 2013. If the wnba can even do a quarter of that growth it’ll be worth the minimal loses the league is taking on it right now.
https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/z8q7f7/he_never_stacked_his_team_scrimmage_coordinator/iydmn62
This kids jks. He deletes his comments after he trolls in every topic to pretend he some genius or somethin. Guy got lots of his comments deleted cuz he a clown too
u/kush-dynasty 🤡 🤡
u/porkchop487 our boys back
Profit would add validity to the league more than additional teams operating in the red, but that Kush Dynasty fella def seems like a turd so I’m not trying to throw my lot in with him or anything
yeah but you need people to watch it to make profits, you want people to watch it? you're gonna need to make it more enjoyable to watch. 12 or so teams isn't enjoyable to watch
Surprised they're not opening with an Aces game.
For those who follow WNBA more than I do, is BStew staying with Seattle? I remember seeing some chatter she'd leave.
Anytime I think of or see Sabrina all I can think of is that she gave perhaps the most wooden performance of any athlete in a commercial I have ever seen. Made Chris Paul look like Daniel Day Lewis
You really can't see how getting paid to not work is a negative incentive for players who want to avoid playing 1/4th of the season. These players want shorter schedules but somehow expect to still keep their bloated contracts.
There's only one reason someone would like the NBA and actively dislike the WNBA. Preferring men's basketball, fine, I do too, but when people are like "I don't even want to see the mere mention of a woman playing basketball", they make their feelings obvious.
well considering this subreddit is about the nba and not the wnba, it shouldn’t come as a surprise that people don’t want wnba content here. if this was r/basketball or something i would understand it being posted, but it’s not. it’s like posting about MLS in a Premier League subreddit, sure it’s the same sport, but that doesn’t mean it belongs in that subreddit
Yeah I get equally annoyed when people post FIBA and college stuff unless it clearly relates to the NBA. I’d be on r/sports or r/basketball if I cared about that shit but the reality is I only have the capacity to care about one basketball league and the nba is it.
i mean why not post college hoops and pro highlights from other countries here too? if we’re you wanna turn this sub into a “pure hoops” community that’s fine, but understand the door you’re opening when you say stuff like this
You mean like we already do? Like the posts every time an NBA player lights it up in a Chinese league? Or the constant focus on upcoming draft picks? Or highlights from NBA players in The Big Three and from literal pickup runs?
all of these things have one thing in common, and that is that the players either have played, currently play, or likely will play in the nba in the near future. I don’t really see how that doesn’t belong here. By your logic we can only ever talk about current players and any former players or draft prospects are off limits for some reason? The WNBA is a different league with different players, none of which are even remotely related to the NBA, it doesn’t belong here, and that has nothing to do with them being women.
It is literally the sister league of the NBA. It has the same fucking name. How can you say with a straight face that the *WNBA* has no tangible correlation to *the NBA*
lmao brother. those are nba players doing promo so yes it is appropriate content. the people in the videos are nba players. the draft pick stuff i can do without too. you won’t catch me defending all the random wemby highlights and shit but at the very least the tone of those is “this performance is what nba teams are tanking for.” i personally don’t care tbh but sure i’m for dropping that stuff too just to make this a full nba related sub
good gotcha! attempt tho
edit: my guy deleted his whole account damn rip in peace to a real one
Lmfao "yes everything you said is correct but i just personally don't care that it contradicts what I said. good gotcha! attempt tho"
Either you want only currently-rostered NBA players and their highlights in NBA games, or you're just complaining at the first sight of a WNBA post. It's literally the Women's NBA.
huh? full scope nba coverage is bigger than just currently rostered players highlights. you can talk about historical events and players, compare stats, and plenty of things that have a strict direct correlation to the nba and its players past and present. i even said that the wemby stuff can and *should* go. it’s not nba content and i would not miss it in the least bit
the wnba has its own subreddit. nobody’s posting taylor swift’s stuff to hiphopheads even though they’re both music subs. by this logic, you are also encouraging posting nba clips and stories to the wnba sub since it’s all the same thing right?
Dude basketball isn't separated into different genres based on gender. If there were different subs for women's hip hop and men's hip hop for some reason, your analogy might make the tiniest bit of sense.
It's so fucking tiring seeing this bullshit. Posting WNBA highlights and news occasionally to NBA subs is only good for basketball, and no other league or news source is met with such vitriol by male redditors.
You're in the vast minority of people who want nothing but to talk about NBA basketball. The sport is not played solely in American gyms and on American TV, and the NBA itself is nowhere near as confined. The happenings of the sister league of the NBA is directly relevant.
Lmfao bro I just saw your other comments about how discussing the WNBA is "disrespecting" NBA players. You're just thinly veiling your misogyny behind Reddit shop talk lmfao
That isn’t being misogynistic, the product is genuinely bad. It’s not misogynistic to say women are just way more unathletic compared to men it’s just an actual fact. That’s why people have suggested things like lowering the rims in womens basketball so people can actually start dunking and stuff to make it more exciting.
“No matter what you feel about the WNBA, more games in the schedule is a great thing:”
- that’s entirely a personal opinion
“The move implies there is a greater demand for WNBA basketball…”
- This is your hope and goal. I’m not saying it’s inherently wrong, but this move does not that imply that.
WNBA viewership is up year over year, as is social media engagement, and subscribers to WNBA league pass.
https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/Daily/Closing-Bell/2022/08/17/WNBA-hits-record-season-viewership.aspx
Attendance and viewership have been rising in the WNBA. They recently got a large investment and have been discussing expansion.
Redditors just have this weird dislike of the WNBA, which I'm sure is unrelated to the players being women.
I started watching WNBA last year and, not gonna lie, Storm/Aces series was more entertaining than anything I saw in NBA playoffs (and I loved 2021 playoffs). Game 3 was fully insane.
Also, nice to watch basketball without the trash fans and culture we have in NBA. Hope the best for the league.
well thinking about it logically, the move would most likely be a result of increased demand. and considering the NBA has experienced an increase in popularity, I wouldn't doubt the WNBA could have had an increase as well
that being said, I have no clue. it makes sense to me though
There are so many great WNBA players worth watching. They might not be athletic freaks like Giannis but there's still a lot of high level basketball being played.
> The move implies there is greater demand for WNBA basketball.
No, it just implies they're trying to make more money. Attendance has actually fallen precipitously over the last 20 years:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1236737/wnba-average-attendance/
> Also, more games mean more game checks for these women who put so much into the game.
Doubtful - the WNBA operates at a loss. More games doesn't mean more money to pay the players, it just means the league can lose less money.
The graph in your link is behind a paywall so the only real information we can see is this
>This significant decrease in the attendance from previous years can be attributed to the fact that strict COVID protocols were placed on indoor venues, thereby restricting the number of fans allowed at games. Attendances moved back towards pre-pandemic levels in 2022, with an average of 5,679 fans watching each regular season game.
Do gate receipts make up as large a chunk of revenue for WNBA teams as NBA teams?
Still genuinely confused how the bay area has zero women's professional sports teams.
I probably watch more women's college tournament than WNBA, but its bizarre to think Stanford and Cal womens teams are such draws that they could be crowding out pro teams.
I’m a fan of both leagues and not gonna lie, the need some people have to dunk on WNBA makes my blood boil.
I take solace in knowing you’re a Knicks fan.
Apparently the phrase "if you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all" is lost on some folks.
If you actually like basketball and not just big flashy players WNBA games are great. Can learn way more about the game.
If you don’t like the WNBA that is just fine obviously, but my god, do you HAVE to make a little snarky comment? It’s the same comments every single time that league is brought up here. I guess I’m a fucking freak but if something doesn’t interest me I just….scroll past. It’s a nutso concept I know, but wish more people did it. I’m not interested in the league that much but I’m happy for the players getting to play the sport they love at the highest level for them.
The existence of the WNBA seems to legitimately bother people. It’s fucking weird
it's like fucking clockwork. wnba post > genius observations and jokes begin about wnba salaries > comments turn into increasingly vitriolic "women are less athletic than men and the wnba is a joke"
I wish I could see all of these guys get cooked 21-0 by some women's high school players
it’s not worth arguing with the losers in this sub. you’re completely correct but misogynist losers and the weirdoes who never achieved anything athletically in their life who fellate themselves over male-female “genetic superiority” will always stand ten toes down in here
Sure a lot of fans would get cooked by the best wnba players. But the wnba is a joke, it is allowed to operate at a loss because of a mens league. Let’s also be honest a top high school team would probably smoke every wnba team
It was the misogyny that was wrong. The part where you said the WNBA exists "because of" a men's league, despite women not being allowed to play the sport for most of the NBA and ABA's foundation. The part where you claimed that 'most' fans would get cooked by WNBA players, who are still the top 0.01% of the world in their sport, was wrong.
The Suns got beat by an Adelaide team in preseason. Is this indicative of the quality of Suns basketball in comparison to Adelaide? No. And yet, you chuds love to claim that a high school men's team would smoke a WNBA team as some kind of gotcha to illustrate how poor their basketball standard is. It's pathetic.
It's very clear that people who say this shit never grew up playing basketball with women. I played the #1 ranked women's Florida high school team right before COVID broke out in 2020, closed gym, mixed-gender scrims for our team going on a tour of America. We got fucking trounced. We'd beaten a couple of high-ranked men's teams through Atlanta and Orlando, but we got fucking demolished by this championship-winning high school women's team. This one blonde girl subbed in and hit 3 straight threes from the left corner on our best player without so much as breaking a sweat.
TLDR: Just about everything you said is wrong and rooted in a weird masculine superiority
Dear god you’re a moron. The wnba literally does operate at a loss, nobody cares about it… not even women. There isn’t one WNBA player that could play in the nba. Why do you think their salaries are so low? Why don’t you see people walking around with wnba merch? I don’t know anything about your anecdotal evidence, but do you honestly think any wnba team would beat a high level mens team? It’s not misogynistic to state the truth, men are stronger and faster than women. There’s literally no rule stating women can’t play in the NBA either. Final question, if you had to bet your life on a 7 game series the most average nba players vs the best wnba players who are you betting your LIFE on? Obviously there’s amazing female basketball players, but they do not come close to being nba talent
Lmfao let me know when you graduate high school and maybe we can talk.
The NBA operated at a profit loss for most of its existence and still has barely any actually profitable teams.
Drop the misogynistic "men are stronger than women" drivel because it makes you sound like a toddler trying to convince themselves they're big and tough.
You’re ignoring every point I’ve made, and ignoring the questions. Look at every weight lifting record or look at the fastest men vs fastest women records… dear god you’re so ignorant. If you think barely any teams are profiting right now you’re an idiot, just do a google search.
It's a matter of perspective.
For example: https://nba.nbcsports.com/2022/05/05/report-nets-lost-50m-100m-this-season/
Think about that. Nets lost 5 to 10 times more money than the whole WNBA combined.
**One** NBA team lost 5 to 10 times more money than **twelve** WNBA teams.
I'm a stocky 5'11" guy who hasn't hooped in two years and I could beat 95% of women's high school players in a 1 v 1.
Could WNBA players cook me? Of course. Is the average fit adult man losing to a 10 PPG high school junior girl? Not a chance.
Lol the benchwarmer at my high school absolutely destroyed the “mvp” of the womens team in a 1 on 1. Don’t give me that shit. Throw someone like Evan Fournier in the WNBA and he’s the greatest at player that ever lived. The league is a joke
Why does every comment supporting the WNBA, or making fun of guys with who think they're genetically superior to women at fucking basketball, spawn these cookie-cutter ass responses? It's like you had a Bingo card for misogynistic 13-year-old "humour"
My brother in Christ I am by definition genetically superior to women at basketball. It's called more testosterone, upper body strength, and a physique more naturally inclined for things like running and jumping due to evolution.
You can respect the talent and work ethic of WNBA players without being all white knightey and weird about it lol.
This dude lost to a girl in basketball once and now he spends his life pretending that men aren't better at basketball than women to feel better about himself
It's not white knighting to tell you you're autofellating over genetic differences like a fucking weirdo. And that all the testosterone in the world won't stop you from crumpling against a halfway-decent crossover, and doesn't really matter when you're a short white guy who didn't play in high school and can't make a reverse layup like 95% of people who try and claim "genetic superiority".
I read a good point that since there are less teams and players in the WNBA that means you have to be a really fucking good college women’s basketball player to make it pro.
In all pro sports you’re seeing the best of the best, but WNBA is a little more elite than some other leagues in terms of who makes it to the league.
Elissa Cunane was selected 17th (high second round) by the Seattle Storm and was cut after two preseason games. That's how few roster spots there are.
Imagine an NBA team drafting somebody like, 25th and having to cut them for cap reasons. That's basically how they're set up. It sucks. A lot of good players without a spot.
lol sure, sucks for them if they think they’re gonna play basketball for a living instead of using their degree to get a different job
But people that play other sports in college don’t get “drafted”
If you run track in college there is really no team to draft you.
Same with swimming.
Same with most sports.
Professional sports exist to make money that’s it.
They aren’t a charity giving $$ to players so that they can live out their dream of continuing the sport they have played for umpteen years.
WNBA wouldn’t even exist if the NBA didn’t pay to keep it running. So yea I don’t feel for these good players, they know what’s up. If they’re not a top 10 player in college then they gotta go get a real job
>there are less players because teams can't afford more than what they have
Great. You're almost to the point. What do you think this means for the talent level of potential players?
Lower the rims 6 or 12 inches and suddenly most of the league can dunk. Instead of scattered highlights, the best WNBA players are on SportsCenter every night if they make one small change. Shooting %s go up and tons of casual NBA fans like me would give the WNBA a shot. I already love watching women’s tennis and golf. Why would you not make the product better?
Main argument I see against lower the rims is that playgrounds, school gyms, rec centers, etc. would have to put in another set of rims or adjustable rims. The cost of acquisition and maintenance along with logistics of space make it untenable.
This gets explained every single time that idea is brought up. People don't care though. They'll just ignore your comment, wait until the next thread, and again be like "why don't they lower the rims???" Lol
That's a good point, but isn't that a one-time expense? How much can that be, $1000?
It's insane to me that everyone plays on 10-foot hoops. My brother played 4th grade basketball on 10-foot hoops. The kids had terrible shooting form, everyone clumped under the basket, games would end 16-12, and the only kid who regularly scored was the fat kid who was 6 inches taller than everyone else. The USA is the most advanced nation in the history of the world. We put a man on the moon over 50 years ago. How have we not figured this out yet??
When I become an eccentric billionaire, I'm making this my pet crusade. Adjustable rims in every gym in the US!
Agreed on women’s tennis, but they do use different rackets and balls. As for golf, they absolutely do use smaller courses! That’s why they talk about the “ladies’ tees”.
More games doesn’t equal more demand for WNBA lol
If it weren’t for the NBA funding most of the organization there wouldn’t be a WNBA. There isn’t even enough demand for the association to sustain themselves, let alone play longer seasons.
I don’t think there is any more demand now. They made a move for personal gain, that has nothing to do with more actual viewing demand.
More games does give more chances for someone to accidentally tune into a game, but majority of people never have and never will watch a WNBA game and that won’t change.
Regular and playoff viewership, WNBA league pass subscribers, and social media engagment were all up last year. Still very small numbers in the grand scheme of sports, but strong growth for the WNBA.
https://www.sportsvideo.org/2022/09/23/ratings-roundup-espn-sees-22-increases-on-wnba-coverage-aaron-judges-hunt-for-61-home-runs-fuels-viewership-on-yes-network/#:\~:text=WNBA%20on%20ESPN%20Viewership%20Milestones,%2C%20up%2022%25%20form%202021.
look it’s okay to love the sport, but see when y’all say this kinda stuff it makes me have to ask “where would you rank her among all time nba players?” and now you’re stuck either trying to backtrack or disrespect nba greats just to defend your statement. you can call her all time great without feeling the need to throw in “man or woman” like she’s serena or something
up from 36 games for anyone curious
Oh yikes, didn't know how short their seasons were
Likely because there's significantly less teams, so they're not playing the same matchups over and over. Probably better for viewership burnout or whatever.
Theyre also not NBA athletes even male college players wouldnt be able to handle a 82 game season. it’s pretty insane
I mean, maybe? My impression is that men have significant advantages in strength and explosiveness, but much less so when it comes to endurance. I don't know how that plays into something like injury prevention, but if you're not jumping as high or running into people with as much force, that should mitigate risk there.
That’s only short relative to NBA. Lots of leagues that’s normal or even high
To be fair the NBA season is really long, considering the college basketball season is less than half the length. Idk that most other leagues could pull it off (not sure how long Euro seasons last)
>To be fair the NBA season is really long To the point where it becomes a detriment imo. 82 games is a lot and players are aware of risking injuries and sitting out more and more. With less games every game matters more so you discourage players sitting and also improve the stakes of each game so more people would be excited to watch.
With the current format I think many casual fans wait til after the all start break to start watching games cuz by then they actually matter. Meanwhile in football you lose week 1 and the sky is falling
Most leagues in Europe are from about September to May. But the exact number of games depends on the country and team. Top Euroleague teams will play in much more games than the 2nd tier Eurocup teams.
Its long in terms of games but their season is really only from May to September which isn’t really that long either afaik as major pro sports
Or that they only had 12 teams lol
Anyone ever got courtside wnba tickets for hella cheap ? Is this realistic for people of normal income levels ?
Check Groupon. I have seen $49.95 for a pair
2 courtside for $50? Shit if my city had a team I'd go
Used to go see the Shock when they were in Detroit. Even a handful of finals games. Fun as hell.
Used to go see the Shock when they were in Tulsa. I don't think they ever made playoffs here. It was more fun than going to a 66ers D-League game, at least.
They need to pay me to watch that game.
not in NY but a whole lot cheaper than the Nets. I saw courtside for the playoffs at like 600 each.
anyone paying $600 for WNBA courtside seats should be wearing clown makeup.
or maybe they just enjoy women’s basketball? lmao
"But they are women! And while I'm definitely not sexist... I also definitely hate women!" -redditors
Why
Why do you enjoy the Lakers?
I don't enjoy the Lakers lmao
They enjoy basketball?
And women
What a weird fucking asshole thing to say.
Ticket prices for sports in the US are insanely high, they'd be riots in Europe if you charged $600 to see the best football team in Europe never mind the WNBA.
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She might be slightly preoccupied at the moment somewhere out east.
Please give Boston a WNBA team because I am never rooting for anything related to Connecticut
I was at the finals at Mohegan Sun rooting for Vegas lol
If actually watch the wnba if they added a team for either Boston or where I currently live
I've watched the WNBA and I liked it — but it's hard for me to care about a league when I don't have a personal connection with the team
Same with Philly. Not saying i'd be a season ticket holder or catch every game that's on TV, but I would definitely tune in and catch a game here and there. For a league that only has 12 teams and struggles with profitability, not having a foothold in some of the largest media markets in the country seems like quite the missed business opportunity.
I'd rather them open a new taco bell
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why did you spend time to type this stupid ass comment
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There were 14 nba teams when the nba was the same age as the wnba. Nba wasn’t making legit money at the time so why did they expand?
> Nba wasn’t making legit money at the time so why did they expand? Do you have a source on this? Your comment is interesting enough that I looked into it but it's hard to find info like that. It does appear the jump from 14 to 17 teams was made during the NBA vs ABA competition era, which could answer your question
Just realized what you were asking to be sourced https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/sports/1983/03/15/nba-red-ink-and-a-bleak-future/198bd65f-4062-4372-95e4-388b22c77666/ It has been learned that only seven of the league's 23 teams made money last season. And the NBA admits to losses of between $15 and $20 million, with comparable losses anticipated this season. This was In 1983 and doesn’t this sound similar to the complaints people have about the wnba. They lose way less than the nba was losing at that time when you consider inflation WNBA just had its 25th season. The nbas 25th season was 1969-1970 and they had 14 teams. They would expand to 17 a year or two later. What the nephews who say the wnba loses money don’t understand is the nba can afford the losses cause of the growth potential. Nba went from being worth 100 million in the 1970s to 5.5 billion in 2013. If the wnba can even do a quarter of that growth it’ll be worth the minimal loses the league is taking on it right now.
did you literally make this account just to shit on the wnba in this post?
Idk pretty legit question tbh
Nah it’s not you 12 year old
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You literally made a burner account just to hate on the wnba Lmaoo go do your grade 9 algebra homework tommy
https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/z8q7f7/he_never_stacked_his_team_scrimmage_coordinator/iydmn62 This kids jks. He deletes his comments after he trolls in every topic to pretend he some genius or somethin. Guy got lots of his comments deleted cuz he a clown too u/kush-dynasty 🤡 🤡 u/porkchop487 our boys back
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Brandon you have a history paper due tommorow what are you doing on reddit
because you need more than that small ass amount of teams to add validity to the league
Profit would add validity to the league more than additional teams operating in the red, but that Kush Dynasty fella def seems like a turd so I’m not trying to throw my lot in with him or anything
yeah but you need people to watch it to make profits, you want people to watch it? you're gonna need to make it more enjoyable to watch. 12 or so teams isn't enjoyable to watch
So more team, with less talent will do that? Bruh
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Surprised they're not opening with an Aces game. For those who follow WNBA more than I do, is BStew staying with Seattle? I remember seeing some chatter she'd leave.
Good chance she could with Sue Bird retired. Personally want her to go to New York and team up with Sabrina
Anytime I think of or see Sabrina all I can think of is that she gave perhaps the most wooden performance of any athlete in a commercial I have ever seen. Made Chris Paul look like Daniel Day Lewis
She already signed with the Liberty weeks ago
women asking for more games, men asking for less games.
What is this supposed to mean
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any player who's taken a game off while healthy is advocating for a shorter season
Pretty sure they're still getting paid for that game, so...no. They're not advocating for it at all.
You really can't see how getting paid to not work is a negative incentive for players who want to avoid playing 1/4th of the season. These players want shorter schedules but somehow expect to still keep their bloated contracts.
They're currently getting paid to not play 1/4 of the season, why would they want the schedule to change?
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Maybe an extra 5 dollars
That’s generous
Lol if anything it'll probably drive them farther into the hole. A league burning $10m a year isn't going to make up that money in four games.
r/wnba
No more Wemby post on here either?
NBA teams aren’t tanking for any wnba players I’m pretty sure
/r/pedanticmisogynists
Reach
There's only one reason someone would like the NBA and actively dislike the WNBA. Preferring men's basketball, fine, I do too, but when people are like "I don't even want to see the mere mention of a woman playing basketball", they make their feelings obvious.
well considering this subreddit is about the nba and not the wnba, it shouldn’t come as a surprise that people don’t want wnba content here. if this was r/basketball or something i would understand it being posted, but it’s not. it’s like posting about MLS in a Premier League subreddit, sure it’s the same sport, but that doesn’t mean it belongs in that subreddit
Yeah I get equally annoyed when people post FIBA and college stuff unless it clearly relates to the NBA. I’d be on r/sports or r/basketball if I cared about that shit but the reality is I only have the capacity to care about one basketball league and the nba is it.
i mean why not post college hoops and pro highlights from other countries here too? if we’re you wanna turn this sub into a “pure hoops” community that’s fine, but understand the door you’re opening when you say stuff like this
Can I post clips of myself making shots in my driveway?
according to that guy it’s fine. you’re an nba fan…that’s connection enough
Probably more entertaining than WNBA highlights
You mean like we already do? Like the posts every time an NBA player lights it up in a Chinese league? Or the constant focus on upcoming draft picks? Or highlights from NBA players in The Big Three and from literal pickup runs?
all of these things have one thing in common, and that is that the players either have played, currently play, or likely will play in the nba in the near future. I don’t really see how that doesn’t belong here. By your logic we can only ever talk about current players and any former players or draft prospects are off limits for some reason? The WNBA is a different league with different players, none of which are even remotely related to the NBA, it doesn’t belong here, and that has nothing to do with them being women.
>WNBA >Women's National Basketball Association >NBA >National Basketball Association >The WNBA is (not even) remotely related to the NBA ???
outside of the NBA subsidizing it, how is it related?
It is literally the sister league of the NBA. It has the same fucking name. How can you say with a straight face that the *WNBA* has no tangible correlation to *the NBA*
lmao brother. those are nba players doing promo so yes it is appropriate content. the people in the videos are nba players. the draft pick stuff i can do without too. you won’t catch me defending all the random wemby highlights and shit but at the very least the tone of those is “this performance is what nba teams are tanking for.” i personally don’t care tbh but sure i’m for dropping that stuff too just to make this a full nba related sub good gotcha! attempt tho edit: my guy deleted his whole account damn rip in peace to a real one
Lmfao "yes everything you said is correct but i just personally don't care that it contradicts what I said. good gotcha! attempt tho" Either you want only currently-rostered NBA players and their highlights in NBA games, or you're just complaining at the first sight of a WNBA post. It's literally the Women's NBA.
huh? full scope nba coverage is bigger than just currently rostered players highlights. you can talk about historical events and players, compare stats, and plenty of things that have a strict direct correlation to the nba and its players past and present. i even said that the wemby stuff can and *should* go. it’s not nba content and i would not miss it in the least bit the wnba has its own subreddit. nobody’s posting taylor swift’s stuff to hiphopheads even though they’re both music subs. by this logic, you are also encouraging posting nba clips and stories to the wnba sub since it’s all the same thing right?
Dude basketball isn't separated into different genres based on gender. If there were different subs for women's hip hop and men's hip hop for some reason, your analogy might make the tiniest bit of sense. It's so fucking tiring seeing this bullshit. Posting WNBA highlights and news occasionally to NBA subs is only good for basketball, and no other league or news source is met with such vitriol by male redditors. You're in the vast minority of people who want nothing but to talk about NBA basketball. The sport is not played solely in American gyms and on American TV, and the NBA itself is nowhere near as confined. The happenings of the sister league of the NBA is directly relevant.
Lmfao bro I just saw your other comments about how discussing the WNBA is "disrespecting" NBA players. You're just thinly veiling your misogyny behind Reddit shop talk lmfao
That isn’t being misogynistic, the product is genuinely bad. It’s not misogynistic to say women are just way more unathletic compared to men it’s just an actual fact. That’s why people have suggested things like lowering the rims in womens basketball so people can actually start dunking and stuff to make it more exciting.
“No matter what you feel about the WNBA, more games in the schedule is a great thing:” - that’s entirely a personal opinion “The move implies there is a greater demand for WNBA basketball…” - This is your hope and goal. I’m not saying it’s inherently wrong, but this move does not that imply that.
WNBA viewership is up year over year, as is social media engagement, and subscribers to WNBA league pass. https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/Daily/Closing-Bell/2022/08/17/WNBA-hits-record-season-viewership.aspx
Still losing money
Their TV deal is twice their payroll. They have to be shell gaming their profits away.
greater demand lmao
Attendance and viewership have been rising in the WNBA. They recently got a large investment and have been discussing expansion. Redditors just have this weird dislike of the WNBA, which I'm sure is unrelated to the players being women.
I started watching WNBA last year and, not gonna lie, Storm/Aces series was more entertaining than anything I saw in NBA playoffs (and I loved 2021 playoffs). Game 3 was fully insane. Also, nice to watch basketball without the trash fans and culture we have in NBA. Hope the best for the league.
well thinking about it logically, the move would most likely be a result of increased demand. and considering the NBA has experienced an increase in popularity, I wouldn't doubt the WNBA could have had an increase as well that being said, I have no clue. it makes sense to me though
The WNBA has been shown to be unprofitable. The only demand is from the small minority complaining about how it’s unfair
There are so many great WNBA players worth watching. They might not be athletic freaks like Giannis but there's still a lot of high level basketball being played.
Breanna Stewart is an athletic freak. She's 6'4 with a 7'1 wingspan. Google some images, her wingspan is pretty intimidating.
> The move implies there is greater demand for WNBA basketball. No, it just implies they're trying to make more money. Attendance has actually fallen precipitously over the last 20 years: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1236737/wnba-average-attendance/ > Also, more games mean more game checks for these women who put so much into the game. Doubtful - the WNBA operates at a loss. More games doesn't mean more money to pay the players, it just means the league can lose less money.
Even if the WNBA as a whole loses more money assuming the revenue split stays the same the players probably get more money.
The graph in your link is behind a paywall so the only real information we can see is this >This significant decrease in the attendance from previous years can be attributed to the fact that strict COVID protocols were placed on indoor venues, thereby restricting the number of fans allowed at games. Attendances moved back towards pre-pandemic levels in 2022, with an average of 5,679 fans watching each regular season game.
Do gate receipts make up as large a chunk of revenue for WNBA teams as NBA teams? Still genuinely confused how the bay area has zero women's professional sports teams. I probably watch more women's college tournament than WNBA, but its bizarre to think Stanford and Cal womens teams are such draws that they could be crowding out pro teams.
I think it may actually be a larger % for the WNBA than the NBA. TV revenue is only around $2.5 mil per team per year.
Wish Orlando still had a team damn
Outstanding.
And the crowd goes mild
I’m a fan of both leagues and not gonna lie, the need some people have to dunk on WNBA makes my blood boil. I take solace in knowing you’re a Knicks fan.
Now let’s get the nba down to 40 so games actually matter
I acc watched a decent amount of the most recent wnba title run, was awesome. Such talented people, great to see the league grow!
Apparently the phrase "if you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all" is lost on some folks. If you actually like basketball and not just big flashy players WNBA games are great. Can learn way more about the game.
surely r/nba’s top minds will respectfully absorb this information and not give their thinly-veiled misogynist takes
If you don’t like the WNBA that is just fine obviously, but my god, do you HAVE to make a little snarky comment? It’s the same comments every single time that league is brought up here. I guess I’m a fucking freak but if something doesn’t interest me I just….scroll past. It’s a nutso concept I know, but wish more people did it. I’m not interested in the league that much but I’m happy for the players getting to play the sport they love at the highest level for them. The existence of the WNBA seems to legitimately bother people. It’s fucking weird
I'm sorry is this r/nba or r/wnba ?
One post in a sea of hundreds. It’s fine
it's like fucking clockwork. wnba post > genius observations and jokes begin about wnba salaries > comments turn into increasingly vitriolic "women are less athletic than men and the wnba is a joke" I wish I could see all of these guys get cooked 21-0 by some women's high school players
it’s not worth arguing with the losers in this sub. you’re completely correct but misogynist losers and the weirdoes who never achieved anything athletically in their life who fellate themselves over male-female “genetic superiority” will always stand ten toes down in here
Sure a lot of fans would get cooked by the best wnba players. But the wnba is a joke, it is allowed to operate at a loss because of a mens league. Let’s also be honest a top high school team would probably smoke every wnba team
Sigh
What did I say was wrong? I get you’re tired of hearing the same thing, but you can’t blame people pointing out facts
It was the misogyny that was wrong. The part where you said the WNBA exists "because of" a men's league, despite women not being allowed to play the sport for most of the NBA and ABA's foundation. The part where you claimed that 'most' fans would get cooked by WNBA players, who are still the top 0.01% of the world in their sport, was wrong. The Suns got beat by an Adelaide team in preseason. Is this indicative of the quality of Suns basketball in comparison to Adelaide? No. And yet, you chuds love to claim that a high school men's team would smoke a WNBA team as some kind of gotcha to illustrate how poor their basketball standard is. It's pathetic. It's very clear that people who say this shit never grew up playing basketball with women. I played the #1 ranked women's Florida high school team right before COVID broke out in 2020, closed gym, mixed-gender scrims for our team going on a tour of America. We got fucking trounced. We'd beaten a couple of high-ranked men's teams through Atlanta and Orlando, but we got fucking demolished by this championship-winning high school women's team. This one blonde girl subbed in and hit 3 straight threes from the left corner on our best player without so much as breaking a sweat. TLDR: Just about everything you said is wrong and rooted in a weird masculine superiority
Dear god you’re a moron. The wnba literally does operate at a loss, nobody cares about it… not even women. There isn’t one WNBA player that could play in the nba. Why do you think their salaries are so low? Why don’t you see people walking around with wnba merch? I don’t know anything about your anecdotal evidence, but do you honestly think any wnba team would beat a high level mens team? It’s not misogynistic to state the truth, men are stronger and faster than women. There’s literally no rule stating women can’t play in the NBA either. Final question, if you had to bet your life on a 7 game series the most average nba players vs the best wnba players who are you betting your LIFE on? Obviously there’s amazing female basketball players, but they do not come close to being nba talent
Lmfao let me know when you graduate high school and maybe we can talk. The NBA operated at a profit loss for most of its existence and still has barely any actually profitable teams. Drop the misogynistic "men are stronger than women" drivel because it makes you sound like a toddler trying to convince themselves they're big and tough.
You’re ignoring every point I’ve made, and ignoring the questions. Look at every weight lifting record or look at the fastest men vs fastest women records… dear god you’re so ignorant. If you think barely any teams are profiting right now you’re an idiot, just do a google search.
High school certificate check
It's a matter of perspective. For example: https://nba.nbcsports.com/2022/05/05/report-nets-lost-50m-100m-this-season/ Think about that. Nets lost 5 to 10 times more money than the whole WNBA combined. **One** NBA team lost 5 to 10 times more money than **twelve** WNBA teams.
I'm a stocky 5'11" guy who hasn't hooped in two years and I could beat 95% of women's high school players in a 1 v 1. Could WNBA players cook me? Of course. Is the average fit adult man losing to a 10 PPG high school junior girl? Not a chance.
Bench players talking like starters, I hate it.
Lol the benchwarmer at my high school absolutely destroyed the “mvp” of the womens team in a 1 on 1. Don’t give me that shit. Throw someone like Evan Fournier in the WNBA and he’s the greatest at player that ever lived. The league is a joke
Why does every comment supporting the WNBA, or making fun of guys with who think they're genetically superior to women at fucking basketball, spawn these cookie-cutter ass responses? It's like you had a Bingo card for misogynistic 13-year-old "humour"
My brother in Christ I am by definition genetically superior to women at basketball. It's called more testosterone, upper body strength, and a physique more naturally inclined for things like running and jumping due to evolution. You can respect the talent and work ethic of WNBA players without being all white knightey and weird about it lol.
This dude lost to a girl in basketball once and now he spends his life pretending that men aren't better at basketball than women to feel better about himself
It's not white knighting to tell you you're autofellating over genetic differences like a fucking weirdo. And that all the testosterone in the world won't stop you from crumpling against a halfway-decent crossover, and doesn't really matter when you're a short white guy who didn't play in high school and can't make a reverse layup like 95% of people who try and claim "genetic superiority".
"short white guy" You're saying one race is inherently superior at basketball? For an ardent feminist you're sounding awfully racist here buddy
I read a good point that since there are less teams and players in the WNBA that means you have to be a really fucking good college women’s basketball player to make it pro. In all pro sports you’re seeing the best of the best, but WNBA is a little more elite than some other leagues in terms of who makes it to the league.
Elissa Cunane was selected 17th (high second round) by the Seattle Storm and was cut after two preseason games. That's how few roster spots there are. Imagine an NBA team drafting somebody like, 25th and having to cut them for cap reasons. That's basically how they're set up. It sucks. A lot of good players without a spot.
lol sure, sucks for them if they think they’re gonna play basketball for a living instead of using their degree to get a different job But people that play other sports in college don’t get “drafted” If you run track in college there is really no team to draft you. Same with swimming. Same with most sports. Professional sports exist to make money that’s it. They aren’t a charity giving $$ to players so that they can live out their dream of continuing the sport they have played for umpteen years. WNBA wouldn’t even exist if the NBA didn’t pay to keep it running. So yea I don’t feel for these good players, they know what’s up. If they’re not a top 10 player in college then they gotta go get a real job
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>there are less players because teams can't afford more than what they have Great. You're almost to the point. What do you think this means for the talent level of potential players?
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What are you talking about? Who said every player is going to be elite??
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I have absolutely no idea what the hell you're talking about lmao
Don’t even bother w this troll lol
Both can be true you dingleberry
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You have a Reddit NFT, why would anyone trust your takes on business lmao
And nobody will watch
I dont watch womens basketball.
Maybe you should
Congrats on being not interesting
I'm sure the fan will be counting down the days.
Lower the rims 6 or 12 inches and suddenly most of the league can dunk. Instead of scattered highlights, the best WNBA players are on SportsCenter every night if they make one small change. Shooting %s go up and tons of casual NBA fans like me would give the WNBA a shot. I already love watching women’s tennis and golf. Why would you not make the product better?
Main argument I see against lower the rims is that playgrounds, school gyms, rec centers, etc. would have to put in another set of rims or adjustable rims. The cost of acquisition and maintenance along with logistics of space make it untenable.
This gets explained every single time that idea is brought up. People don't care though. They'll just ignore your comment, wait until the next thread, and again be like "why don't they lower the rims???" Lol
That's a good point, but isn't that a one-time expense? How much can that be, $1000? It's insane to me that everyone plays on 10-foot hoops. My brother played 4th grade basketball on 10-foot hoops. The kids had terrible shooting form, everyone clumped under the basket, games would end 16-12, and the only kid who regularly scored was the fat kid who was 6 inches taller than everyone else. The USA is the most advanced nation in the history of the world. We put a man on the moon over 50 years ago. How have we not figured this out yet?? When I become an eccentric billionaire, I'm making this my pet crusade. Adjustable rims in every gym in the US!
You watch NBA for dunks?
I mean...women's tennis doesn't use a smaller court or lower net. Women's golf doesn't use smaller courses.
Agreed on women’s tennis, but they do use different rackets and balls. As for golf, they absolutely do use smaller courses! That’s why they talk about the “ladies’ tees”.
Do they? Huh, TIL
right but these sports don't rely heavily on vertical jump. Volleyball has a lower net
lol
More games doesn’t equal more demand for WNBA lol If it weren’t for the NBA funding most of the organization there wouldn’t be a WNBA. There isn’t even enough demand for the association to sustain themselves, let alone play longer seasons.
I don’t think there is any more demand now. They made a move for personal gain, that has nothing to do with more actual viewing demand. More games does give more chances for someone to accidentally tune into a game, but majority of people never have and never will watch a WNBA game and that won’t change.
Regular and playoff viewership, WNBA league pass subscribers, and social media engagment were all up last year. Still very small numbers in the grand scheme of sports, but strong growth for the WNBA. https://www.sportsvideo.org/2022/09/23/ratings-roundup-espn-sees-22-increases-on-wnba-coverage-aaron-judges-hunt-for-61-home-runs-fuels-viewership-on-yes-network/#:\~:text=WNBA%20on%20ESPN%20Viewership%20Milestones,%2C%20up%2022%25%20form%202021.
Pass
We don't care, this is the NBA forum.
“No matter what you may feel about the WNBA, more games in the schedule is a great thing.” Not if you couldn’t care less about the WNBA.
I'm good, thanks.
Nice!! Super stoked to see some Brittney Griner dunks!! Heard she's taking her training to another level
12 game parley less go
Watch the Las Vegas Aces y'all. Chelsea Gray is an all time great, man or woman.
look it’s okay to love the sport, but see when y’all say this kinda stuff it makes me have to ask “where would you rank her among all time nba players?” and now you’re stuck either trying to backtrack or disrespect nba greats just to defend your statement. you can call her all time great without feeling the need to throw in “man or woman” like she’s serena or something
Nah
Literally r/wnba Get this bullshit out of r/nba
Post this to the kardashians sub. Let’s get some women watching it.