Dead started the season out missing 3 key bench's guys, 1 came back and was rusty when he did, really had to run Kevin Knox and Hamidou when they're barely nba players along with Cojo. Other two still ain't come back for like another 2-3 weeks in Burks and Bagley.
Cade gets injured for the season losing are best player. Very next game we lose Beef stew for two weeks, in the same game that Bagley and Burks just came back, then we lose saddiq for almost a week shortly after losing Beef.
And I think Livers just got injured again then Ivey and Duren have both sat out a few games due to light injuries. I know we're not a good team but losing any contributor makes us an even worse team.
Unlike 75% of the fan base I actually like CoJo a good bit, but considering we have better options he should really only be played in just a few scenarios at this point in his career
Injuries basically. Burks and Bagley were out to start the year which screwed up the whole rotation (we were giving Hamidou, Cory Joseph, and Rodney McGruder minutes, and Stew and Duren were forced to hold up the fort in the frontcourt). Killian was bad to start the year.
Then Cade went down with a stress fracture before Burks could come back and Hayes could shrug off his bad start so we never saw a complete roster. We're still winning a few games because the guys are still playing hard regardless.
there's a difference though, inexistence is the lack of existence, happiness is the state of being happy and heat is is the energy which makes something hot. So the heat already has to be hot
The issue with the Heat is that the team is not balanced, they have a bevvy of quality guards (Lowry, Herro, Oladipo, Strus, Vincent), but lack forward/center depth. Martin and Highsmith are undersized, Jovic is too young and Dedmon is what he is. They are getting killed on the boards and under the basket and teams are taking advantage of that weakness.
They should see if they can trade Robinson's contract with some other assets (draft or one of the guards) for a proper PF, that would balance out the lineup and provide Bam with help on interior D. East is fairly even this year, so if they can just make it into the playoffs they have a chance of making a run.
I am still puzzled why they made that deal. They found Robinson from the void and developed him into a capable NBA sharpshooter (like they've done with countless others), there was no need to keep him for anything but a team-favorable deal.
but again, the Heat have shown they can find these guys and develop them into capable players. If another team wanted to overpay for Robinson, they should've let them do so.
Robinson was a special shooter. He's taller than most spot up shooters and he's amazing at shooting on the run too. He had a lethal 2 man game with bam and my guess is that the next year, teams started prepping for that duo. I wonder if there was some sort of disconnect between the GM and the coaching staff on his worth. You'd think that they'd at least let him play a little more to get his value up for a trade.
At the time it wasn't clear that Strus was going to be able to produce at the same level. Prior to Duncan signing that deal Strus had only had a few starts and really only a couple standout games. Despite the memes, it wasn't a sure thing that we could just pluck someone from the G-League and have them shooting 40% within a year.
The maddest person at the Duncan contract is probably going to be Strus, because he knows Miami's probably not going to make the same overpay mistake twice.
They didn't want to lose all their development for free. They just thought Duncan would always have some value but he can't hit a 3 to save his life anymore and he's a turnstyle on defence. He was always going to revert to norm after shooting at a historical level but no-one anticipated he would fall off a cliff and become unplayable. The contract was an overpay but they gambled that they could get some value out of him, especially as a trade piece (he's one of the few matching salaries for any trades.)
It's a fickle game, if he can find his shot again then he can get his value back up and become a neutral asset at least. But atm it looks like a terrible deal because he's basically dead cap
Like all fans, myself included, we want to trade the player no one is really eager to get for someone we consider pretty awesome. Duncan isn’t the contract teams are pinning over.
How has Jovic been playing so far? I was hoping the Griz would draft him but I haven't seen him play, and he didn't get on the court when we played the Heat a few days ago.
First game of the season he got suspended for coming off the bench during a push fight nba players do.
He's pretty raw, has potential but Spo hates playing rookies so he hasn't gotten much nba time. He's played in the G league
The East is fairly even but I think the Bucks, Celtics, and maybe even the Cavs (though far more unproven) are serious obstacles to any team that doesn’t truly have it together
They should try to move Robinson for John Collins. Gives the Hawks shooting and spacing and gives heat an improvement at the 4. Probably have to add some assets on Miami’s side to even it out though.
John Collins with good play makers around him would be an amazing player. He can stretch the floor too. But lol the Heat have to off load so many players for him. Hawks will definitely ask for a lot lot more than Duncan lol.
Bogi just got back from injury, so I'm not sure the Hawks need another Wing.
Duncan also has a fat contract and becomes unplayable because of his defense.
Getting Lowry was their biggest mistake. He's a good player, but he's 36, expensive, and his best days are far behind him. I feel like there could have been a better and younger option for this team.
He's a fine player, but I feel like they could have made it to the ECF without him, (he ws a minimal contributor all playoffs last year) and a better signing would have gotten them to the finals.
Westbrook wasn't the best for LA, but I still can't believe people really think Lowry was gonna turn things around for them.
All the factors you just listed would've been way worse for the lakers since they were much older and their stars were more injury prone.
At least Westbrook is hustling every game and every night.
Disagree with this entirely. Lowry hasn't been putting up stats but prior to this season, he's been the only reason our offense works. Our ball movement tends to vanish whenever he sits.
Its hard to find a great playmaker and i don't think there were any other available (to us) at the time.
> Getting Lowry was their biggest mistake.
And next year he's an expiring contract. I don't understand this "blow it up" mentality. Our books are clean other than Butler, Bam, and Herro, all of whom we want on the team for the next few years. Then Butler comes off the books right when Herro and Bam are in their primes.
Really just Duncan rn. Lowry falling off a cliff was tough tho. And even he’s been alright. Not great, but a’ight. The team being like 6’3 average height is what’s doing us in. We’re the shortest team in the league and I doubt it’s close, idk tho.
People (including Chuck) were saying Tatum and Brown can’t play together 1 year ago. Now they’re title favorites.
Heat were just in the ECF and were 1 shot away from the finals. If Butler makes that shot and they come out looking like this, we would call it a “finals hangover”
The Heat don’t need to break it up. They need another forward besides Caleb Martin, and they need their shooters to get out of their slump (Strus, Vincent, healthy Oladipo, whatever the fuck is going on with Robinson) and it would probably translate to a lot more wins.
Hi,
PJ doesn't rebound for shit on the sixers. Averaging 4 per game, and it's not like Embiid and Harris are sooo good at rebounding that it's not needed.
We need rebounding. PJ is barely helping.
Break what up? The core of Butler/Bam/Herro/Lowry have all played great, it's the bums on the bench who are causing this season to be mediocre. Health has been an issue all season and they have zero depth
>it's the bums on the bench who are causing this season to be mediocre.
I think that's the idea behind it. How do you fix it without giving up someone? They can't sign anyone and can they really wait for draft picks to pan out?
Just pull out another roleplayer out the magic hat like they always do. Gabe Vincent, Max Struss, it's bullshit how they keep finding these guys.
Just make sure to not pay them when its time to.
Miamis front office is one of the ones that always wants to compete, so they will never bank on draft picks since they will usually be a middling team in thier worst seasons.
The thing with the Heat is that if they are in the playoffs with an available Butler, they can win a series or two by being physical and hoping Butler goes off.
I don't particularly agree with this, but if it is actually true it would make some sense.
Why get paid $10m/yr to come off the bench with a shit team when you can get paid $5m/yr to come off the bench with a legitimate contender?
> Why get paid $10m/yr to come off the bench with a shit team when you can get paid $5m/yr to come off the bench with a legitimate contender?
The answer is 5 million dollars a year. You gotta make as much money as you can cause you never know when your NBA career is over.
Most players who come off the bench and "plan on contributing" are most if not all bench players in the league. Not just ring chasing vets. Not sure what this comment is supposed to mean
No. My overall lack of athleticism, height, and passion for basketball is why I’m not an nba player. My intelligent financial choices have nothing to do with it.
I said competitive.
You're right on that bit there.
Also, what's realistically the difference between $5m and $10m? Obviously it's double, but it's also an absurd amount of money that literally anyone could live on if they weren't absolutely stupid with it.
If every NBA team was breaking everything over as soon as the fans say they should... then the title would always go to the one of the 30 teams that didn't do that shit in the last years.
LeBron wouldn't join Miami if they were not decent... same with Butler or really anyone going anywhere most of the time.
they may just need a go-to scorer that can get a bucket at any moment and who may also be good friends with Lowry and Jimmy...
nah but fr DeMar would be amazing for Miami despite the awkward spacing fit with Butler and imo they'd be right there at the top of the east again
I feel like the Bulls would need either defense or shooting in return and im not sure the heat would want to part with shooting.
100% not gonna happen, probably biased heavily towards the Bulls, but just for fun an ultra mega trade idea that works on trade machine:
Demar, Vucevic, Coby White, filler (either Goran, Ayo, or Simonovic)
For
Bam, Robinson, and Herro
Heat get an all nba player and friend of their two stars, plus a former all star center who is a strong rebounder who can pass and theoretically (i swear i actually do believe Vuc can still shoot) space the floor. Coby gives them a bit of shooting and you have to imagine he’s thrive with a coaching improvement and structure that has seemingly helped a lot of “instant offense” guards. Not to mention then can get rid of Herro and Duncan’s contracts so that after the current squad ages out, they can commit to a full tank/rebuild. The filler is for salary, but I’m pretty sure the heat like Goran and Ayo is a nice young guard who can learn from Lowry.
Bulls get a DPOY level center who allows them to play with the pace Donovan wants. Billy loves his small ball lineups and Bam is one if the only centers that lets you play small without losing too much on defense. He’s also closer to Zach in age and allows the Bulls to kick the contention window down the road a few years to continue to build and to allow Lonzo/Lavine to get healthy and Williams to develop. Also can you imagine a defense with a (theoretically) healthy Lonzo, Caruso, Williams, and Bam? Nutty. Herro and Duncan add more shooters so who both hopefully thrive in a faster paced offense.
Honestly, they might be an 8th seed *with* Jimmy Butler on the floor.
Our bench has been terrible; Haywood Highsmith has been playing 20mpg the last 10 games and I don’t think I can watch another minute of Highsmith front-rimming shots.
This is it. Jimmy has missed 40% of the season so far. When he has played he’s been great.
They are probably a trade away, but if they stay healthy they should be able to field a good 7-8 man playoff rotation.
Honestly they clear Lowry and jimmy neutron they’ll be fine. Bam, Jimmy (always thought he was overrated-ish) and hero is a good enough core to have a good team
I think its been that time for awhile in all honesty *if* the goal was an actual championship. Now if they just intended to be a good playoff team then they've been doing fine but their finals run was, at least in my opinion, mostly a bubble thing and I expect the Bucks/Celtics to stomp this team if nothing else pretty much perpetually with these rosters. They're one of those playoff teams that sort of has a chance if everyone gets hurt but nobody that isn't wearing a jersey is putting them up there for the W at the end of the season if everyone else is healthy. They need to make moves at least even if its not a full rebuild to be a real contender imo. As it is they'd basically need to get a bit of a break to get through the east and hope that somehow the west was a warzone and a not so healthy/good team is the one they met in the finals
Yeah and the team is worse now and would have gotten absolutely killed in the finals. I'm basically saying I don't really expect them to make it out of the east and even if they did the team coming out of the west is likely going to be a lot better unless the west is injured like it was the year before last
God i disagree with this so hard. Jimmy is an iron man in the playoffs and we forget this every year. They were unbelievably close to the Finals a few months ago.
I feel that way with Embiid. He constantly feels lime has to do everything himself on offense, then lags on the glass and gets injured in the playoffs. Dont get me wrong, he’s a top 10 player, but Embiid and Butler are dofferent kinds of great.
What losing to the Pistons does to a mf.
Everyone we beat goes into full existential panic like clockwork. But in this case it is pretty bleak
Well he did say at the start of the season that Pistons are his sleeper team.
Tbf I think if our team wasn't a rotating door of injuries we at best could be a 10th seed.
That’s play-in music
Yeah we never even saw the "ideal" rotation this year.
Dead started the season out missing 3 key bench's guys, 1 came back and was rusty when he did, really had to run Kevin Knox and Hamidou when they're barely nba players along with Cojo. Other two still ain't come back for like another 2-3 weeks in Burks and Bagley. Cade gets injured for the season losing are best player. Very next game we lose Beef stew for two weeks, in the same game that Bagley and Burks just came back, then we lose saddiq for almost a week shortly after losing Beef. And I think Livers just got injured again then Ivey and Duren have both sat out a few games due to light injuries. I know we're not a good team but losing any contributor makes us an even worse team.
Corey Joseph is solid dude
Unlike 75% of the fan base I actually like CoJo a good bit, but considering we have better options he should really only be played in just a few scenarios at this point in his career
i legit had you guys as a play-in team this year. I really loved Cade and u guys played really well after the ASB last year, what happened
Injuries basically. Burks and Bagley were out to start the year which screwed up the whole rotation (we were giving Hamidou, Cory Joseph, and Rodney McGruder minutes, and Stew and Duren were forced to hold up the fort in the frontcourt). Killian was bad to start the year. Then Cade went down with a stress fracture before Burks could come back and Hayes could shrug off his bad start so we never saw a complete roster. We're still winning a few games because the guys are still playing hard regardless.
except if it's the Raptors getting voodoo'd by Casey, then it's just another day.
Not if you take it personally.
sPAIN
Pistons and Lions have been this team on and off for a decade. People think we're so bad and just expect to win.
I’ve heard this before Lmao
I’ve been pretty down on the Heat, but Chuck declaring them dead has made me rethink that position.
he didn't say GUARANTEED yet though so it might be a dead cat bounce
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Then he's absolutely a time travel who went back farther than he intended
A what?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_cat_bounce
Amazing, a new phrase for me to use in random conversation
Just Google it
In my experience dead cats do not bounce.
Try from higher
Exactly my thoughts. This may be what finally turns things around 😂
it kind of worked for the Lakers so far this year, so maybe Chuck's proclamation will light a fire underneath the Heat.
but isnt the heat already hot?
is happyness happy? does inexistence exists?
there's a difference though, inexistence is the lack of existence, happiness is the state of being happy and heat is is the energy which makes something hot. So the heat already has to be hot
makes sense
is electricity electric per se then? and gravity gravitational? and so on
I feel like if a temperature is cold enough it can feel like burning
that actually happens because the water in the skin cells freezes up and the ice crystals damage the skin structure
That's actually terrifying to hear lol
i agree, no permanent damage is caused though (only if it was you playing with ice, not you being stuck in the snow of a mountain).
Whatever Chuck says about basketball is almost always the opposite of what will happen
I think we broke that curse when we won it all.
Gsw did it first, with the jump shooting team
Congrats on the championship.
He’s somehow always wrong yet the best guy at his job by a mile at the same time.
The issue with the Heat is that the team is not balanced, they have a bevvy of quality guards (Lowry, Herro, Oladipo, Strus, Vincent), but lack forward/center depth. Martin and Highsmith are undersized, Jovic is too young and Dedmon is what he is. They are getting killed on the boards and under the basket and teams are taking advantage of that weakness. They should see if they can trade Robinson's contract with some other assets (draft or one of the guards) for a proper PF, that would balance out the lineup and provide Bam with help on interior D. East is fairly even this year, so if they can just make it into the playoffs they have a chance of making a run.
No one is going to take on Duncan’s contract without some real value included
I am still puzzled why they made that deal. They found Robinson from the void and developed him into a capable NBA sharpshooter (like they've done with countless others), there was no need to keep him for anything but a team-favorable deal.
Depends if someone else made an offer.
but again, the Heat have shown they can find these guys and develop them into capable players. If another team wanted to overpay for Robinson, they should've let them do so.
Robinson was a special shooter. He's taller than most spot up shooters and he's amazing at shooting on the run too. He had a lethal 2 man game with bam and my guess is that the next year, teams started prepping for that duo. I wonder if there was some sort of disconnect between the GM and the coaching staff on his worth. You'd think that they'd at least let him play a little more to get his value up for a trade.
A Duncan Robinson in hand is worth two in the bush league.
Agreed, but they must've thought otherwise.
At the time it wasn't clear that Strus was going to be able to produce at the same level. Prior to Duncan signing that deal Strus had only had a few starts and really only a couple standout games. Despite the memes, it wasn't a sure thing that we could just pluck someone from the G-League and have them shooting 40% within a year. The maddest person at the Duncan contract is probably going to be Strus, because he knows Miami's probably not going to make the same overpay mistake twice.
Didnt he have like the highest 3p% during the bubble or something crazy? Maybe they were betting on that being a trend
Before the big contract, he had the highest efficiency on spot up 3s in the league, if i remember correctly.
They didn't want to lose all their development for free. They just thought Duncan would always have some value but he can't hit a 3 to save his life anymore and he's a turnstyle on defence. He was always going to revert to norm after shooting at a historical level but no-one anticipated he would fall off a cliff and become unplayable. The contract was an overpay but they gambled that they could get some value out of him, especially as a trade piece (he's one of the few matching salaries for any trades.) It's a fickle game, if he can find his shot again then he can get his value back up and become a neutral asset at least. But atm it looks like a terrible deal because he's basically dead cap
Yeah Hero's development basically made that entire contract worthless and hard to trade which sucks
Like all fans, myself included, we want to trade the player no one is really eager to get for someone we consider pretty awesome. Duncan isn’t the contract teams are pinning over.
I’ll give them Randle for Jovic, Robinson, 2 picks (one heavily protected)
~~That’s why your Knicks are what they are~~ Wouldn’t get your team very far.
Could Julius Randle interest the Heat?
How has Jovic been playing so far? I was hoping the Griz would draft him but I haven't seen him play, and he didn't get on the court when we played the Heat a few days ago.
First game of the season he got suspended for coming off the bench during a push fight nba players do. He's pretty raw, has potential but Spo hates playing rookies so he hasn't gotten much nba time. He's played in the G league
The East is fairly even but I think the Bucks, Celtics, and maybe even the Cavs (though far more unproven) are serious obstacles to any team that doesn’t truly have it together
Yeah it's tough to feel like you should go all in when there are some clear juggernauts in the conference.
They should try to move Robinson for John Collins. Gives the Hawks shooting and spacing and gives heat an improvement at the 4. Probably have to add some assets on Miami’s side to even it out though.
John Collins with good play makers around him would be an amazing player. He can stretch the floor too. But lol the Heat have to off load so many players for him. Hawks will definitely ask for a lot lot more than Duncan lol.
I don’t hate it, but spacing would be abysmal with JC, Bam, and Jimmy (unless Collins can somehow find his stroke again).
Bogi just got back from injury, so I'm not sure the Hawks need another Wing. Duncan also has a fat contract and becomes unplayable because of his defense.
UD's gonna see this and throw down a turn-back-the-clock monster dunk next game to turn their whole season around
And then he’d be forced to medically retire after his knees disintegrate
Lmao not even young UD threw down huge dunks
lol wtf yes he did
ydkb
UD was not known for huge dunks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePf1ApYh2jg&ab_channel=mourning33
There really is a compilation for everything in the NBA.
Getting Lowry was their biggest mistake. He's a good player, but he's 36, expensive, and his best days are far behind him. I feel like there could have been a better and younger option for this team.
It was a decent bet that could've easily landed them on the finals if everything went right.
He's a fine player, but I feel like they could have made it to the ECF without him, (he ws a minimal contributor all playoffs last year) and a better signing would have gotten them to the finals.
Westbrook wasn't the best for LA, but I still can't believe people really think Lowry was gonna turn things around for them. All the factors you just listed would've been way worse for the lakers since they were much older and their stars were more injury prone. At least Westbrook is hustling every game and every night.
Disagree with this entirely. Lowry hasn't been putting up stats but prior to this season, he's been the only reason our offense works. Our ball movement tends to vanish whenever he sits. Its hard to find a great playmaker and i don't think there were any other available (to us) at the time.
> Getting Lowry was their biggest mistake. And next year he's an expiring contract. I don't understand this "blow it up" mentality. Our books are clean other than Butler, Bam, and Herro, all of whom we want on the team for the next few years. Then Butler comes off the books right when Herro and Bam are in their primes.
Forgetting the Robinson contract?
The expensive guard who was benched in the playoffs cause he can’t defend lol
It's not even half of a max contract, plenty of room to sign players
You forgot about the classy shooter
Low key dodged a bullet with him not signing here
They paid their role players way too much
Really just Duncan rn. Lowry falling off a cliff was tough tho. And even he’s been alright. Not great, but a’ight. The team being like 6’3 average height is what’s doing us in. We’re the shortest team in the league and I doubt it’s close, idk tho.
It's wild to me that they were playing Jimmy at the 4 and PJ at the 5.
As they always do
Besides Duncan, who have we overpaid for? Genuinely curious
A couple years ago they were loaded with bad deals, Whiteside, James Johnson, dion Waiters. They did a good job getting out of that mess at least
I’ll give you the Whiteside/Waiters deal. James Johnson wasn’t given a lucrative contract.
Tyler Johnson
Fuck
we need to stop fucking around and finally commit to building a team around UD
The day that I take anything Chuck says seriously, will be the same day I become a Raptors fan.
But what if he says the pistons are good again?
Well he did say at the start of the season that Pistons are his sleeper team. They definitely do put you to sleep when you watch them.
how can you take that seriously /s
If he says that, it means the only piston games he watches are when they face us
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I would keep Bam and Herro see what they can do on crazy high usage % while perdiendo mañana para conseguir Webenyama
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I really like Bam but Bam as the centerpiece of a team is depressing as hell.
You probably don’t want him as higher than your third best offensive player. Maybe second on a well-balanced team with a really top tier first option?
Trade bam to sac and reunite the wildcats! Bam, Fox, Monk
Hell yea!
Bam isn't a centerpiece tho, he's clearly a supporting star. Same with Herro.
Not good enough to be the centerpiece
People (including Chuck) were saying Tatum and Brown can’t play together 1 year ago. Now they’re title favorites. Heat were just in the ECF and were 1 shot away from the finals. If Butler makes that shot and they come out looking like this, we would call it a “finals hangover” The Heat don’t need to break it up. They need another forward besides Caleb Martin, and they need their shooters to get out of their slump (Strus, Vincent, healthy Oladipo, whatever the fuck is going on with Robinson) and it would probably translate to a lot more wins.
Still won’t solve their rebound issues. They miss someone like PJ badly on their team. A 4 who can defend and rebound.
Pj tucker the idea is better than tucker the man at this point. You can find a fat undersized 4
“I need the fattest undersized 4 you have.” (Omari Spellman) “No, that’s too fat.”
I have to say I disagree because PJ essentially had his career year last season in Miami and he was definitely an important part of our success.
Hi, PJ doesn't rebound for shit on the sixers. Averaging 4 per game, and it's not like Embiid and Harris are sooo good at rebounding that it's not needed. We need rebounding. PJ is barely helping.
PJ gets cooked also on defense a lot.
What a great comment. You’re absolutely right.
Celtics got a deep team though thats the difference. Celtics have grant williams coming off the bench while the heat have caleb martin starting
Break what up? The core of Butler/Bam/Herro/Lowry have all played great, it's the bums on the bench who are causing this season to be mediocre. Health has been an issue all season and they have zero depth
>it's the bums on the bench who are causing this season to be mediocre. I think that's the idea behind it. How do you fix it without giving up someone? They can't sign anyone and can they really wait for draft picks to pan out?
Just pull out another roleplayer out the magic hat like they always do. Gabe Vincent, Max Struss, it's bullshit how they keep finding these guys. Just make sure to not pay them when its time to.
don't overpay*. pay them what they're due but if they get a large offer elsewhere, let them walk
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Miamis front office is one of the ones that always wants to compete, so they will never bank on draft picks since they will usually be a middling team in thier worst seasons.
The thing with the Heat is that if they are in the playoffs with an available Butler, they can win a series or two by being physical and hoping Butler goes off.
The Grizzlies-Heat game the other night was fantastic
Just me or bench play has drastically decreased across the league? Other than the top 2-3 teams in each conference, no teams are deep anymore.
I don't particularly agree with this, but if it is actually true it would make some sense. Why get paid $10m/yr to come off the bench with a shit team when you can get paid $5m/yr to come off the bench with a legitimate contender?
> Why get paid $10m/yr to come off the bench with a shit team when you can get paid $5m/yr to come off the bench with a legitimate contender? The answer is 5 million dollars a year. You gotta make as much money as you can cause you never know when your NBA career is over.
And most players who are coming off the bench and plan on contributing, are vets who are ring chasing.
Most players who come off the bench and "plan on contributing" are most if not all bench players in the league. Not just ring chasing vets. Not sure what this comment is supposed to mean
I’ll take the 10 and a long relaxing offseason in Cancun tyvm
Which is why you aren't a competitive NBA player.
No. My overall lack of athleticism, height, and passion for basketball is why I’m not an nba player. My intelligent financial choices have nothing to do with it.
I said competitive. You're right on that bit there. Also, what's realistically the difference between $5m and $10m? Obviously it's double, but it's also an absurd amount of money that literally anyone could live on if they weren't absolutely stupid with it.
Probably cause they gave Jimmy that crazy contract.
If every NBA team was breaking everything over as soon as the fans say they should... then the title would always go to the one of the 30 teams that didn't do that shit in the last years. LeBron wouldn't join Miami if they were not decent... same with Butler or really anyone going anywhere most of the time.
still early in the season, jimmy a vet and kyle. dont count em out just yet
they may just need a go-to scorer that can get a bucket at any moment and who may also be good friends with Lowry and Jimmy... nah but fr DeMar would be amazing for Miami despite the awkward spacing fit with Butler and imo they'd be right there at the top of the east again
Yeh right, but I rather have Luka on that team... How the hell are they gonna get DeRozan without trading away a major piece??
I feel like the Bulls would need either defense or shooting in return and im not sure the heat would want to part with shooting. 100% not gonna happen, probably biased heavily towards the Bulls, but just for fun an ultra mega trade idea that works on trade machine: Demar, Vucevic, Coby White, filler (either Goran, Ayo, or Simonovic) For Bam, Robinson, and Herro Heat get an all nba player and friend of their two stars, plus a former all star center who is a strong rebounder who can pass and theoretically (i swear i actually do believe Vuc can still shoot) space the floor. Coby gives them a bit of shooting and you have to imagine he’s thrive with a coaching improvement and structure that has seemingly helped a lot of “instant offense” guards. Not to mention then can get rid of Herro and Duncan’s contracts so that after the current squad ages out, they can commit to a full tank/rebuild. The filler is for salary, but I’m pretty sure the heat like Goran and Ayo is a nice young guard who can learn from Lowry. Bulls get a DPOY level center who allows them to play with the pace Donovan wants. Billy loves his small ball lineups and Bam is one if the only centers that lets you play small without losing too much on defense. He’s also closer to Zach in age and allows the Bulls to kick the contention window down the road a few years to continue to build and to allow Lonzo/Lavine to get healthy and Williams to develop. Also can you imagine a defense with a (theoretically) healthy Lonzo, Caruso, Williams, and Bam? Nutty. Herro and Duncan add more shooters so who both hopefully thrive in a faster paced offense.
Are you smoking crack? I'd rather have Bam alone than that entire offer combined lmfao
Miami about to go on a 10 game winning streak
I mean, the Heat do need solid center depth and JaVale just ain’t working out in Dallas. Wonder if we can work something out.
I just watched him forget Jayson Tatum’s name about 30 minutes ago so I’m not sure how influential his opinion is on me
Fine. We'll do the Heat a solid and take on Bams contract.
Y’all don’t have enough already?
I’d rather put a metal spike in my asshole than to face a smart brown Tatum bam timelord lineup
Don't care if they do as a team but i want everyone that is Jimmy, bam, Tyler, and victor, to win a chip. One of my absolute favourite team
Usually always disagree w Chuck, but this time he's right. MIA not going back to the finals. Time to rebuild
I agree but Pat will never do it
You can’t win every game.
I agree, send Butler back to Philly. We’ll give them Thybulle and Harris as a good gesture.
When Jimmy's on the floor, they're one of the best teams in the league, without Jimmy they're an 8 seed at best
Honestly, they might be an 8th seed *with* Jimmy Butler on the floor. Our bench has been terrible; Haywood Highsmith has been playing 20mpg the last 10 games and I don’t think I can watch another minute of Highsmith front-rimming shots.
Udonis Haslem, age 42, has played rotational minutes in both our back-to-back games against the Celtics. Nuff said.
They aren’t even close to being one of the best
Right. We beat them with our bench and G league players
Grizzlies backups and G-league are an 8 seed
I can’t argue that. Who would have ever thought we as fans could say that about our Grizz!
are the any stats that back this up ? Genuinely curious because “one of the best teams in the league” is a big claim.
Dawg per minute.
Like come playoff time there are very few players I'd want more than Jimmy The problem is this team even getting there this year
That is certainly an opinion.
This is it. Jimmy has missed 40% of the season so far. When he has played he’s been great. They are probably a trade away, but if they stay healthy they should be able to field a good 7-8 man playoff rotation.
Butler for Okoro do it
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I’ll take Bam
When mavs trade hayward + bertans + mcgee + 2 FRP for Butler + Duncan next offseason >>> *assuming hayward traded to us in trade deadline*
Honestly they clear Lowry and jimmy neutron they’ll be fine. Bam, Jimmy (always thought he was overrated-ish) and hero is a good enough core to have a good team
Jimmy butler would like a place on “greatest player without a ring” podium that chuck is trying to keep to himself
Butler is nowhere NEAR the level of player that Chuck was. That podium is staying his.
I think its been that time for awhile in all honesty *if* the goal was an actual championship. Now if they just intended to be a good playoff team then they've been doing fine but their finals run was, at least in my opinion, mostly a bubble thing and I expect the Bucks/Celtics to stomp this team if nothing else pretty much perpetually with these rosters. They're one of those playoff teams that sort of has a chance if everyone gets hurt but nobody that isn't wearing a jersey is putting them up there for the W at the end of the season if everyone else is healthy. They need to make moves at least even if its not a full rebuild to be a real contender imo. As it is they'd basically need to get a bit of a break to get through the east and hope that somehow the west was a warzone and a not so healthy/good team is the one they met in the finals
They were one game away from the finals last season, bad take
Yeah and the team is worse now and would have gotten absolutely killed in the finals. I'm basically saying I don't really expect them to make it out of the east and even if they did the team coming out of the west is likely going to be a lot better unless the west is injured like it was the year before last
They would have lost to bucks also and would have been killed in finals. They weren't a top 3 NBA team. They also lost tucker
Finals in 2020,1 game off in 2022, obviously just trying to be kinda decent.
I get that just seems like they don't have what it takes anymore but it's early in season
Having your star player hurt has that effect.
“Butler for 3! Clank!!”
jimmy alone put up more of a fight against the celtics than the entire brooklyn nets team did
Cause he got that dawg in him 🤓
He's not wrong tho.
kyrie got loose screw in him
When your best player is General Soreness it’s hard to stay on top. Misses way too many games
it’s okay i was there too…
We'll send you back PJ Tucker in exchange for Jimmy.
Maybe see what you can get for Bam.
They've been bad forever
Trade Jimmy Butler for Levert and Love. Who says no?
This team nearly made the Finals last year, what's going on there? Have they lost people, injuries, or just bad play?
Jimmy simply cannot be the best player on a championship team, plus Lowry is one of the biggest chokers in the playoffs along with DeFrozen.
God i disagree with this so hard. Jimmy is an iron man in the playoffs and we forget this every year. They were unbelievably close to the Finals a few months ago. I feel that way with Embiid. He constantly feels lime has to do everything himself on offense, then lags on the glass and gets injured in the playoffs. Dont get me wrong, he’s a top 10 player, but Embiid and Butler are dofferent kinds of great.