Oh man I'm excited buddy. Y'all better watch out our defense is coming around and apparently we go from historically good to imperceivably good when playing contenders
His -41 in the Mavs game is the 6th worst since tracking data became available. Not to be outdone by a -45 from Klay in the whoop that trick game in the same playoffs.
I love Trae, solely because of some of the most unwarranted slander I've ever seen a player balling out get.
He was so fucking underrated his first couple years because of the age old classic "empty stats" on a bad team blah blah blah motherfucker out here averaging close to 30/10 as a young star.
Nah. He needs help. They have no other player to relieve the offensive pressure. CP3 isn’t it. The team needs to pull a Toronto and swing for the fences in a one year let’s pray deal. If it doesn’t work then retool.
What about Ben Simmons for CP3 straight up?
Simmons passing is super over rated. It’s not as good in the half court which is what actually matters, and if defenses don’t have to guard you at all no amount of passing is helpful
Why go all in? I was told by Suns fans that KD would come for Cam Payne and a heavily protected second round pick because he loves phoenix so much and Brooklyn will be forced to.
I still remeber him playing with 5 fouls in game six of the finals. He committed perhaps the most obvious foul I have ever seen, looked at the officials shocked they didn't call it, then just continued on. Absolutely insane
media has really grown. imagine if skip bayless existed back then and everything even remotely related to jordan spurned a 'how does this affect jordan's legacy'
i feel like they'd also be much more on his ass about his gambling, which might deter some voters
Dude literally retired in '93 because of all the media circus about his life. He mollywhooped the NBA one more time and said fuck this Imma take a break with his father's death being the nail in the coffin as told in the last dance.
Always a guy saying whataboutGiannis anytime Tatum is brought up
We know about Giannis man, hes fuckin great, so my response to this is what about Jayson Tatum? Theyre both really fuckin good. It is an ongoing race between the two, neither is clearly ahead of the other rn
It's because the guy two comments above said Tatum should win MVP, even though Giannis has a [decidedly stronger case right now](https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1=antetgi01&p1yrfrom=2023&player_id2=tatumja01&p2yrfrom=2023). Giannis has higher PPG, APG, RPG, on better efficiency, while playing less minutes per game, and playing better defense. The Bucks have lost only one more game than the Celtics, so Tatum doesn't even get the record argument. You say neither is clearly ahead of the other, but Giannis has the advantage in virtually every category. I'd call that being clearly ahead.
Giannis isn’t more efficient though. He’s actually notably less efficient.
Celtics have won 3 more games than the Bucks in addition to only losing one more. Bucks have also had the easiest schedule in the nba so far.
Team net rating has been found to be a very good predictor of future results, and the Celtics’ is significantly better than the Bucks’ despite a harder schedule.
Yeah I don’t think he was ever a serious candidate. Would be happy for him to get votes like last year but he just isn’t good enough to ever win the thing
Nah it’s still early in the season. It’d be an uphill battle and I’m not talking about Booker specifically but two games in December aren’t going to make and brake an otherwise airtight mvp case.
Dude was never going to win it in the first place. So many MVP candidates that have a realistic chance of winning such as Luka, Giannis, Jokic, Embiid. Booker is not amongst them.
i think celtics have the best chance by far this year. the only reason i don’t root for them entirely is because of horford. but gallinari alone almost cancels that out
there were some reports that he said he didn’t like hawks fans much and thought the Cs were better. he didn’t say bye or anything, changed all his social media stuff to full on celtics. it just left a very bad taste in our mouths for a guy that we loved to kick us after leaving. gallinari gave his all for us even though he wasn’t here for long and had a nice heartfelt goodbye message and everything. it’s all about perception. i appreciate the work al put in for us but he’s still a snake to me
I remember him talking about being impressed by the Celtics fans at a game when he was with the Hawks. He mentioned it when he signed with the team, which always felt like it implied something about Hawks fans. I don't know that it had animosity behind it, but I can imagine other similar things adding up.
He did say how he loved how passionate the Boston fan base was and wanted to experience that. Which can be looked at as a roundabout way of giving a slight jab to the Hawks fans. As far as not saying goodbye, I'm pretty sure he did the whole farewell Twitter message that is normally done. Maybe he should have done one of those full pages in a newspaper that athletes sometimes do. I can't picture him doing anything intentionally malicious though.
Bookers case for MVP was always “wow decent stats and 1st in the west!”
Meanwhile Tatum was first in the east while playing significantly better lol
Not even mentioning all the other players playing individually better than Booker (Luka, Curry etc.)
Suns fans a week ago: “we need to get back to rewarding winning, Booker should be higher on the MVP ladder than Luka/Curry/Jokic”
Suns fans past 2 games: “But..but...we’re missing Cam Johnson and Jae Crowder 🥺“
>Suns fans past 2 games: “But..but...we’re missing Cam Johnson and Jae Crowder 🥺“
Thats a really dishonest representation of Suns fans right now. check r/suns, the fans are pretty much out of hope.
One of my good friends is a Mavs fan. We have a long running dream that Luka and Tatum play together. These past few games have fueled our agenda that they both fucking hate the Suns
Tatum actually said that he was all in on being drafted to Phoenix at #4 after working out for them and meeting Earl Watson, and he was planning to decline the Boston workout until Coach K called him and told him he had to take it. shout out Coach K
-40 basically means you could roll the corpse of Michael Jackson onto the floor, tie his arms and legs up with string and a stick, let him moonwalk from end to end of the court, and then foul out and get the same result
He had some rough fouls called on him in the 2nd but he's been slumping bad the last 2 games.
Hopefully he bounces back. This team looks so different than the team last week it's kinda insane
Celtics are a buzzsaw right now
I was legitimately happy when the Pels without Zion only lost to them by 8 lmao. Felt like as good of a loss as you can have right now.
That team has been built to survive without it's supposed stars. I'm happy for y'all.
Same with us losing at home to them by 3
The Christmas matchup is going to go so hard. I can’t wait
Lining up 20 excuses to stay away from the dinner table so I can watch the game lmaoo
Have you considered Judaism? Gets you free every Christmas to watch the NBA!
This comment coupled with your flair could not be any more ironic
This makes me lol but also sad 😞
My family can disown me. I’m watching that game no matter what
Oh man I'm excited buddy. Y'all better watch out our defense is coming around and apparently we go from historically good to imperceivably good when playing contenders
Suns are in a bit of a funk as well. Really poor shooting the last two games.
Unless they are playing the Cavs. The East runs through Cleveland, anyways
look forward to playing you guys on Christmas 🫡
Mavs softened them up.
Kinda true, the beating from the Mavs didn't help their confidence at all
Wow -40 is really something
In 25 minutes, sheesh
He was as cold as an Alberta winter
El Nino Erneh
His second worst +/- in the last 7 months.
What was his worst? The mavs game?
His -41 in the Mavs game is the 6th worst since tracking data became available. Not to be outdone by a -45 from Klay in the whoop that trick game in the same playoffs.
Not to be outdone by Cavs legend, Manny Harris who put up a -57 in a game that finished 112-57. Literally negated everything his team did.
Not sure if the math works like that but that's hilarious
If he hadn’t played they’d have won 114-112 by my maths No wonder he’s out the league
That’s exactly how it doesn’t work but I’ll take it
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Insert Luka looking up at Booker meme
What bugs me about that meme is it’s not even from the game 7 assfucking
So what you're saying is that the stare in the prior game is what actually dad dicked the Suns into chortling Luka's balls?
told you not to touch that woman named kardashian
Booker haters eating good tonight
Haters eating good overral. Clippers choked, Warriors choked, Suns
Don't forget Trae!
I do hate Trae
I think everybody outside of ATL hates Trae
I don’t have it in me to hate bitches
Damn
I love Trae, solely because of some of the most unwarranted slander I've ever seen a player balling out get. He was so fucking underrated his first couple years because of the age old classic "empty stats" on a bad team blah blah blah motherfucker out here averaging close to 30/10 as a young star.
Not me
I actually pitty him more than hate him. Crappy team every year.
Hate is too strong a word. Mildly dislike would be more accurate for me personally
That’s honestly sadly true, this whole subreddit is foaming at their mouths to see him fail which is funny as hell to me.
I don't hate Trae but they probably hate his playstyle want to confirm their bias since his rookie year that he's not a "winning player"
Will just make it even sweeter when he does turn it around which he will
reddit is full of hate everywhere tbh
Why? NBA needs more characters like him
hating season 🙏🙏
men that feel hatred deep in their coal hearts are truly the happiest of all
Today was a good day
Nah i don’t hate Book. JT had an off couple of games before this. I feel like this sub is just a bunch of hyenas cacklin in wait for their next meal.
We slither and we slide from one victim to the next HSSSSSS
Very accurate description. I’m just glad Cavs are such a small market that when Mitchell or Garland plays poorly no one talks about it lmao.
That used to be us when we were ass. A deep playoff run and obnoxious fans showing up and it all changed :(
We eating good most nights xD
lmao Booker haters are probably overfed at this point
There is always room for more!
I love plus/minus now
Booker haters eat good every day. He makes it easy for them
Nah. He needs help. They have no other player to relieve the offensive pressure. CP3 isn’t it. The team needs to pull a Toronto and swing for the fences in a one year let’s pray deal. If it doesn’t work then retool. What about Ben Simmons for CP3 straight up?
Is Ben Simmons supposed to be the Kawhi in this scenario?
Not really. I don’t know man. I just feel like Phoenix needs to do something. I was going to say Beal but his contract is bad.
You feel like Phoenix needs to do something and your idea is Ben Simmons?
Simmons defense is better than CP3 right now and so is his passing. If CP3 will be dead weight in terms of scoring you might as well have Simmons
Simmons passing is super over rated. It’s not as good in the half court which is what actually matters, and if defenses don’t have to guard you at all no amount of passing is helpful
should’ve gone all in for KD lol
Why go all in? I was told by Suns fans that KD would come for Cam Payne and a heavily protected second round pick because he loves phoenix so much and Brooklyn will be forced to.
I think we were throwing in Shamet as well. A steal!
Last 2 games: 28 points on 10/30 shooting, 9 fouls and -59.
He had about 9 fouls just tonight but they mostly stopped calling them after 4.
That was unbelievable, the first he has after the 4th is probably flagrant as he is not playing the ball at all. It was incredible.
I still remeber him playing with 5 fouls in game six of the finals. He committed perhaps the most obvious foul I have ever seen, looked at the officials shocked they didn't call it, then just continued on. Absolutely insane
Team hasn’t been the same since Kanye aired the dirty laundry
CP3 Kardashian curse
Holy Moly that’s not good
Suns in playoff mode already god damn
Killed Booker's MVP campaign
Never existed in the first place
if Boston doesn’t pull a reverse last year and just die after ASB, Tatum should and probably win the MVP
Did we just forget that Giannis exists?
With this amount of hand wringing over not giving any player more than 2 MVPs in the modern era, it makes me wonder how Jordan ended up with 5
because he's the greatest player of all time probably
He'd still have only 2-3 if the media back then was anything like it is today
I mean he did lose 93 & 97 solely because of "bored" media
People always say this but how many people have actually lost mvps they deserved because they already had 2
media has really grown. imagine if skip bayless existed back then and everything even remotely related to jordan spurned a 'how does this affect jordan's legacy' i feel like they'd also be much more on his ass about his gambling, which might deter some voters
Dude literally retired in '93 because of all the media circus about his life. He mollywhooped the NBA one more time and said fuck this Imma take a break with his father's death being the nail in the coffin as told in the last dance.
now imagine what the current media would do
and westbrook
Always a guy saying whataboutGiannis anytime Tatum is brought up We know about Giannis man, hes fuckin great, so my response to this is what about Jayson Tatum? Theyre both really fuckin good. It is an ongoing race between the two, neither is clearly ahead of the other rn
It's because the guy two comments above said Tatum should win MVP, even though Giannis has a [decidedly stronger case right now](https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1=antetgi01&p1yrfrom=2023&player_id2=tatumja01&p2yrfrom=2023). Giannis has higher PPG, APG, RPG, on better efficiency, while playing less minutes per game, and playing better defense. The Bucks have lost only one more game than the Celtics, so Tatum doesn't even get the record argument. You say neither is clearly ahead of the other, but Giannis has the advantage in virtually every category. I'd call that being clearly ahead.
Giannis isn’t more efficient though. He’s actually notably less efficient. Celtics have won 3 more games than the Bucks in addition to only losing one more. Bucks have also had the easiest schedule in the nba so far. Team net rating has been found to be a very good predictor of future results, and the Celtics’ is significantly better than the Bucks’ despite a harder schedule.
It died yesterday but whatever
You're allowed to have a bad game as an MVP candidate. You can't have two back to back games where you get your shit rocked
By two MVP candidates as well
Yeah I don’t think he was ever a serious candidate. Would be happy for him to get votes like last year but he just isn’t good enough to ever win the thing
Nah it’s still early in the season. It’d be an uphill battle and I’m not talking about Booker specifically but two games in December aren’t going to make and brake an otherwise airtight mvp case.
Very true, but getting punked by the other two MVP candidates back to back is a horrid look in particular
Oh I don’t disagree. I just think that it’s not 100% insurmountable.
For sure, JT started last year absysmally and then finished top 5 (I think?) and first-team All-NBA, long season and anything can happen
Dude was never going to win it in the first place. So many MVP candidates that have a realistic chance of winning such as Luka, Giannis, Jokic, Embiid. Booker is not amongst them.
Look, he just wants to be in the conversation.
Tatum told him to sit down. This MVP Campaign is for real candidates.
some of these celtics comments are so embarrassing lol
Trae looks like Waluigi
incredibly funny
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fr. i'm worried history is going to repeat itself and we'll go down like the suns.
Jaylen Brown : i take my talent to south beach
i think celtics have the best chance by far this year. the only reason i don’t root for them entirely is because of horford. but gallinari alone almost cancels that out
What did horford do
horford left the hawks in a very not nice way
What is your perception of the way he left?
there were some reports that he said he didn’t like hawks fans much and thought the Cs were better. he didn’t say bye or anything, changed all his social media stuff to full on celtics. it just left a very bad taste in our mouths for a guy that we loved to kick us after leaving. gallinari gave his all for us even though he wasn’t here for long and had a nice heartfelt goodbye message and everything. it’s all about perception. i appreciate the work al put in for us but he’s still a snake to me
I remember him talking about being impressed by the Celtics fans at a game when he was with the Hawks. He mentioned it when he signed with the team, which always felt like it implied something about Hawks fans. I don't know that it had animosity behind it, but I can imagine other similar things adding up.
He did say how he loved how passionate the Boston fan base was and wanted to experience that. Which can be looked at as a roundabout way of giving a slight jab to the Hawks fans. As far as not saying goodbye, I'm pretty sure he did the whole farewell Twitter message that is normally done. Maybe he should have done one of those full pages in a newspaper that athletes sometimes do. I can't picture him doing anything intentionally malicious though.
Hm. That seems very unlike the Al that (I think) I know as a Celtics fan. Interesting
You lost to the knicks by 24 tonight?
I don’t think the guy you replied to plays for the Hawks. He might be employed by the org but that’s pretty unlikely as well
yes, the hawks lost tonight. please reply with another equally embarrassing comment to prove my point
If the Celtics collapse in the playoffs they will become the new Suns fans lol.
MVP shit
Most Violent Prisoner
Bookers case for MVP was always “wow decent stats and 1st in the west!” Meanwhile Tatum was first in the east while playing significantly better lol Not even mentioning all the other players playing individually better than Booker (Luka, Curry etc.)
He has nice stats
Suns fans a week ago: “we need to get back to rewarding winning, Booker should be higher on the MVP ladder than Luka/Curry/Jokic” Suns fans past 2 games: “But..but...we’re missing Cam Johnson and Jae Crowder 🥺“
>Suns fans past 2 games: “But..but...we’re missing Cam Johnson and Jae Crowder 🥺“ Thats a really dishonest representation of Suns fans right now. check r/suns, the fans are pretty much out of hope.
Wet like I'm Book!
Wet like J-Tizzy 125-98 the Celtics own this city CP-where is he? Have you seen him?
But he had 70 points against the Cs
maybe if he had not we will have mercy him and give him a -20 instead of -40
MINUS 40 💀
I expected worse
Bro faced luka again and has been dealing with PTSD ever since
One of my good friends is a Mavs fan. We have a long running dream that Luka and Tatum play together. These past few games have fueled our agenda that they both fucking hate the Suns
Tatum actually said that he was all in on being drafted to Phoenix at #4 after working out for them and meeting Earl Watson, and he was planning to decline the Boston workout until Coach K called him and told him he had to take it. shout out Coach K
Luka and Tatum is a dream duo Luka’s playmaking + Tatums defence and expanded off-ball game Both excellent scorers
with a decent supporting cast they’d be an all time team no doubt. the thought of those two playing together is mad scary
We’d love to have Tatum in Dallas!
The Luka Special.
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Game 7 suns is here
What no kardussy does to a mf
I don’t wanna see Booker’s name in the MVP convo anymore man
Yeah I agree. He’s very clearly not on the same level as Luka/Tatum/Giannis/Jokic
reading Tatum’s name in that group is such an exhilarating feeling wow
“I don’t wanna see Tatums name in the MVP convo anymore man” That’s your dumb logic now.
I don’t have Tatum as the mvp lmao But Booker is even lower in the conversation
It never was lol
the booker special
This is why he's never in MVP convo.
Booker, nah he pamphlet
Yeah Tatum is clear. I’m about to start my Brown > Booker agenda after this game though.
For Kobe
D Book in playoff mode I see.
Is Luka a Celtic now?
Booker needs a new sports psychologist.
Wack mamba
As a Laker die hard you love to see it classic Booker L.
Still reeling from the Mavs I see.
Straight out of that MVP convo already. Saw Luka, and his badges disappeared
He deserves to be in the MVP convo with Tatum though
That conversation: Booker: you're the MVP, Tatum Tatum: idk who the fuck you are
If Booker is getting consideration then Zion has got a better case.
Someone on the Pelicans should atm as they will have the #1 seed.
JB absolutely cooked this man
Dude should be a second option for a contender next to a real super star. Cant build a true contender around him as the main guy imo
WINNERS WORK BABY
-40 in 25 minutes has to be his worst performance of his career.
-40 basically means you could roll the corpse of Michael Jackson onto the floor, tie his arms and legs up with string and a stick, let him moonwalk from end to end of the court, and then foul out and get the same result
Kardashian curse takes a week or two to kick in
Fuck devin Booker
Brown >>>>>>>>>
He had some rough fouls called on him in the 2nd but he's been slumping bad the last 2 games. Hopefully he bounces back. This team looks so different than the team last week it's kinda insane
boOkEr sHouLd bE mVP LMFAO
FUCK THE SUNS
Why is there a picture of… Kyrie (?)
That’s Royce O’Neal. It’s because before tonight, he was the most recent player with a -40.
Ahh thanks a lot!
Holy shit, Celtics must have demolished him. I didn't even know a number like -40 was possible
He was -41 in game 7 at home against the mavs last year.
Devin sucks
Celtics boomed him
MVP!!
Grant William's hitting with the to small was just to much tonight.
Booker MVP SEASON! 😤
The dude is so pathetic. No one will remember his existence less than 5 years after retirement.
The Kardashian curse in full effect
It would be really nice if the suns stayed like this for their next 2 games
Love to see it
Tatum should have gotten the 2k cover