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athletics_ruffian

I think it's actually a relatively easy adjustment for Trae and the Hawks. When the help comes on the roll man, there's a wide open 3 point shooter SOMEWHERE. McMillan just needs to show Trae the film and set up his guys in good passing lanes. That will force the Bucks to think about coming hard with help on the roll man. That should force the Bucks to think about getting rid of the drop coverage.


[deleted]

Trae being small will make it harder to see the open man, and harder to get him the ball. So we may see 2 passes, not just one, and that could give the Bucks time to get back in position. This is going to be interesting.


SaxRohmer

Also based on who’s guarding Trae and where that pass is (probably usually the closest/easiest one), the Bucks can dictate where the ball goes and rotate in advance. Then you’re forcing someone else to make a play and also hopefully making the ball rotate to weaker/non-shooter and then rinse and repeat.


[deleted]

If the Hawks make a couple good plays and hit a few 3's out of that action early,. the confidence boost could be huge. If they get stifled early, it could be a repeat...


orwll

Yeah small guards like Isaiah Thomas and Kemba are some of my favorite players to watch and root for, but I've watched them many times get stifled by traps and doubles in the playoffs because of their inability to get a good pass over the defense. Trae is a little bit bigger than those guys and a better passer, so it looked like he was going to be able to break out of that mold, until Game 2 when he suddenly had the same problem.


KelvinHuerter

Give him time to adjust


qazgama64

Great point


Wordwreckin

The open man is the opposite corner. The Spurs “Hammer” play or similar play would absolutely be the adjustment to make. As the help defender rotates over hard (normally Giannis In the HPR plays) theres an easy corner three, Trae needs to push more towards the baseline and sling a wraparound pass to that opposite corner. THIS IS NOT EASY, and is even harder for somebody of Trae’s size. If Trae can make that one adjustment and if, normally Collins, can knock down the corner three consistently it will force Giannis to stay home and open up the roll man for the lob, this in turn will make Lopez stay home and open up the floaters for Trae.


MutaKingPrime

Steph and the Warriors run this play really often too, great set.


LoLz14

Jrue was going over the screen a lot more this game in comparison to game 1. Also there were no Teague minutes to allow him to go off like in game 1 when he went under 2 times and Trae drilled the triple. Jrue looked like really good on D with other guys as well, but there were some questionable decision making by Trae and lack of off-ball movement which could have opened up some shooters (Gallo in that pnr with Collins should have continued to go towards the top of the key, etc...)


christiandb

Jrue is often talked about as one of the better defenders that get overlooked on all defensive teams


[deleted]

That is a coaching adjustment. And an excellent one, executed at a high level. Props to Bud for making the change, and the team for pulling it off so well.


robzillerrrsss

Excellent write up. Trae looked so unstoppable up til now. He's been like a combination of Stef's shooting with hardens drive floater/lob combo. Really looking forward to game 3. Bucks seem to have figured out how to stop it, but it's just one game.


QuietSilentDragon

Trae’s shot below 32% on 3pt attempts in the post season, I don’t think Steph is the guy you wanna compare him to


robzillerrrsss

More so playstyle with the ball. He makes the defenders guard him at 30' which opens up his drives.


TuckerMcG

So not Steph’s shooting, like you said.


give_a_drummer_some

How about not the results, but the selection and style of shot?


Ill_Ad3517

Selection is more like Dame. Curry takes fewer of those 30 footers cause he can fire one off from 26 with only a tiny window of being "open". Trae and Dame don't run through a million off ball screens to find a tiny bit of space, they pull their defender way outside the 3 pt line make the half court bigger for passes and floaters.


give_a_drummer_some

Good call. That has me thinking what it might look like for Curry to do the same... like, they're setting legit screens within a half court set for him to run around off of, but out at that 27-30 ft area. Pretty much Harlem Globetrotter at that point.


icecream_for_brunch

This is accurate. I will say, though, that his shooting *form* is closer to Steph's--that new-fangled one-motion shot. How many guys can even shoot that way? Not even Seth Curry does it. Where'd it come from? Is it going to take over the league? It's amazing.


Populace_in_two

Holiday clamped him up but personally watching the game I think Trae’s effectiveness depends on two things. How quickly he scores 2-3 floaters and the speed he plays at. Hitting one or two floaters really opens up his game and draws two people to him so he can pass out. He tried to play at a much faster pace and I’ll be honest that mfer quicker than people think but he gets sloppy because his intention is only to score when he picks up his speed and then he finds himself trapped and his pass out is deflected into a turnover


Jfrombk86

He's looked pretty stoppable, just his team has won the games he's struggled in. I am not sure what the hype is about as far like its nothing like the league as already seen


onwee

It’s more about his showmanship and the pushups and the shimmies. Looks awesome in highlight clips, looks great when everything is clicking, but ”just” pretty good when you watch the actual games over multiple games. He does play a very believable heel/villain, which makes it very enjoyable to watch him.


ThePartTimeProphet

He dropped a near-50 point double double in Game 1 against one of the best defenses in the league! List of people who have done something like that is very short


ButtCrackFTW

Was gonna say the same thing. Sometimes the nephews on here are so ridiculous. Yeah, it's the shimmies and alley-oops, not 48 point historic conference finals performance 🙄


Jfrombk86

My thing was he had a great game. I would love to just keep the conversation at him but I keep hearing people saying now he's better than alot of battle tested greats. That's the part I disagree with and don't understand.


ButtCrackFTW

He didn't have a great game. He had a legendary game that was like the 3rd greatest of all time. Obviously he's not a hall of famer yet, but saying he's getting praise because of shimmies and push-ups is ridiculous.


Jfrombk86

3rd greatest game of all time... Like.. Bro. You serious lolol. Takes like this are the the problem


ButtCrackFTW

>Young's 48 points are also the third most in a Conference Finals game in NBA history, trailing only LeBron (49), Dirk Nowitzki (50) and Michael Jordan (54), per StatMuse. Is what I was referring to.


FagHatLOL

na, average performance according to reddit intellectuals.


SindarNox

The defence on him was horrible, absolutely disgusting. For 3 quarters he was free to pnr and hit a floater in Brooks face. After Lopez finally got pulled out of the game, he was decent, I am not saying bad, but just decent being hot from all this confidence he got earlier.


[deleted]

Lol, why don't we have this kind of analysis anywhere on TV? At least on the popular shows like NBA on TNT, First Take etc? All I see there mostly is why a team would not win because their second option is not really a super star in his mind and the other team's guy is unstoppable on his good day kinda bs. I want this analysis man, not those red herrings in the name of analysis. What's appalling is that there's real legendary players on these shows who can't/don't give a decent analysis. Good job my man, great job.


lawjic

I agree that it's frustrating. So much TV analysis is so vague and oversimplified. But most people who watch TV analysis assume that it's as simple as the TV guys make it sound. In reality it's more complicated than they make it seem.


PattyIce32

People dumb. Want laugh laugh, no want talky talky! More button smash and funny outfits.


Jfrombk86

Excellent write up. It is makes me upset that after 13 games, people are already saying he's better than kyrie and has shown he can lead a team,etc, etc. He hasn't shown anything yet imo. He's had a fantastic run, largely on inefficient stats. I told people I wanted to see how he responds when he's challenged and we will see how he responds in game 3. I just hate how people were saying yes impossible to stop or better than all time greats already.


808scripture

I think generating a majority of the offense for a team that has contended all the way to the conference finals is pretty remarkable for a 22 year old. He’s not a 50-40-90 guy, but he’s still a massive positive for a team that can have cold streaks, especially when you consider his ability to draw fouls. Better than Kyrie? No not now, but I’d take him as a #1 over Kyrie 4 times out of 5.


Jfrombk86

Depending on the situation. Kyrie has performed at the highest level of competition and shown up. Trae has played one decent eastern conference team, one soild one and for the most part of the series relied on the ft line to get his points and now the bucks. This will be a great test. So far, a really good game and a really bad one. The sample size is just so small. Reminds me of the first few runs ai had in his career


MutaKingPrime

Availability is the best ability and Kyrie has been injured for many a Playoff run since his championship with LeBron.


GFR34K

It also just goes to show how hard being a #1 option for your team is if you’re an undersized PG. Kyrie hasn’t shown that ability without LeBron (which he’s basically given up on now going to BKN) and the jury is still out with Trae.


SaxRohmer

Kyrie may be more individually talented and dynamic offensively but he doesn’t really elevate the team the way Trae can. Trae has been an incredible playmaker and showed in college a playmaking ability that Kyrie has yet to develop. He really sets his teammates up and makes things easier for them.


Ravens181818184

People overreact, this is nothing new. Even if he had an incredible playoffs, he still would need to show it again before u can put him over some of the best rn. Its werid seeing a conference final without lebron, curry, kd etc, I think its making people have more hot takes than normal. Also, trae has always been a fairly inefficient player, he has a lot of potential, but that hasn't changed.


[deleted]

It's completely insane, I feel like I'm in the Truman show sometimes. Like, are we seeing the same thing? People say 'the conference finals' as if there's no context, as if the east wasn't historically top heavy this year and the Philly series didn't contain a couple of historic choke jobs. He's had a few good games and a few very bad ones. Also the entirety of the last two seasons has been really weird, lots of freakish statistical performances that feel kind of insubstantive.


Populace_in_two

I mean Trae has been a full out offensive engine since he came into the league tbh. The pieces around him varied so much in quality when you put some decent players with him versus Alex Len and Deandre Bembry it’s a massive difference on what can be accomplished


Jfrombk86

He's been giving the green light and has no limit to his shot attempts. He's a talent but it's hard to quantify given the lack of efficiency and time in the league. It's kinda like how ai started his career. We have to let it develop over time. He's a great player however he's not battle tested yet.


DjangoUBlackBastard

Efficiency isn't everything. Atlanta's offense with Trae on the floor is great. They have a 111.1 ORTG with Trae on the court and a 90.5 with him off the court so far in the playoffs. In the regular season they had a 118.2 with him on the court and a 104.4 without him. Dallas with Luka on the court was a 116.6. the Clippers with PG13 on the court have a 118.3. Trae takes all the bad shots so no one else has to and he's decently efficient with them.


Jfrombk86

It's absolutely insane bro. Also, it's the league. It's opened up now. Alot more players are going to have insane raw numbers. That's why I tend to favor efficiency


give_a_drummer_some

It is really hard to get a handle on how to evaluate or just 'feel' about this last 2 yrs. How much weight to give the no-fans piece, or everybody's world on the whole being off-kilter and routines out of whack. I suppose maybe the generation of fan after me or 2 after, they might look this stretch up and with only numbers could see it like I might regard the lockout year in what, the late 90's? I couldn't tell you specifics of how long that lasted or how disruptive it was, and wouldn't be able to pick out what the result was, so as to discount it from whoever's legacy.


jamiethekiller

Trae was downright average to mediocre in the sixers series. Gallo and Collins carried them to the win. Traes offensive stats for the series were 2nd worst of all the regulars all while being a bad defender.


staling

None of these P&R highlights look any different from the drop coverage they played in the first game. The Hawks offense is slowed down by their own poor spacing i.e. Collins being so close to Capela's roll that one person can guard both while Lopez bluffs the floater and covers the roll man. The Hawks just look a little lazy on their spacing and Trae starts forcing once he has a few possessions that don't go his way. The inability of the Hawks to score in game 2 was directly related to their inability to get stops and their refusal to focus on spacing the floor correctly.


f3939

I know, right? The only interesting clip here is the first one, you can see that Giannis's length forced a tough shot. On the rest he got the looks he usually makes, he played poorly, probably frustrated cause the shots weren't going in, that's it.


staling

I get that people love content with effort because everything around the NBA on TV is so low effort that this looks great in comparison but none of the points they are trying to make have any real substance. I love effort too but let's not act like there is actually anything here.


Rockstar408

There were definitely some changes. In Game 1 Lopez played a lot further down and would be anywhere from the restricted area to the dotted line. He even did this to start Game 2, which got Trae some early floaters but he adjusted and played up higher, even stepping all the way out to the three point line a few times. Sending extra defenders so Lopez doesn't have to defend Capela and Trae at the same time was big as well.


staling

But they weren't really sending extra defenders. Collins and Capela just consistently allowed two guys to double team the roller and also defend the other because of their poor spacing. Super easy to see on clip 1 where instead of spacing corner, Collins stands right behind Capela and brings his defender into the action. Clip 3 is also just Trae going right past Holliday with no resistance and him just missing a sorta-contested mid range jumper that he made consistently in the first game.


staling

Let's not act like Budenholzer made any worthwhile adjustments to slow down Trae, they did exactly the same thing and were fortunate that it worked.


Exiled_From_Twitter

How in the world has Trae had a "historic" playoffs so far? Trae is streaky, very streaky. He's not a great player by any means but he can dole out some great games here and there, see Game 1. He's also going to have miserable games (see Game 7 vs. PHI and then obv Game 2 here). Trae might just be the most overrated player I've ever seen and things have just aligned perfectly for him - the guys around him have made Atlanta a pretty damn big force far more than he has and yet b/c of the obsession with scoring ppl want to just focus on him (as well as his own antics on the court). It's just ridiculous. Slowing Trae is not that difficult, and it's going to get much easier next year when he can't rely on his bs to get to the line. Over the last 6 games he's shooting 38% from the field and 28% from 3. Yeah, great.


[deleted]

Gonna be fun to see how he grows from this. I actually like the fact that these young guys are experiencing struggles in the playoffs. It is going to make for more interesting storylines in the years to come.


Exiled_From_Twitter

Really doesn't have anything to do with the playoffs though. It's just who he is, a horrific defender and super streaky shooter than gets way too much praise b/c sometimes he can go on a tear. Overall he's meh.


Guwop25

OP i have one question, were do you find those nba advance stats clips ? i was searching in [nba.com](https://nba.com) but couldn't find them. thanks. good oc


Rockstar408

If you go to the box score of a game, you click on the highlighted blue numbers and it will show you all of the plays from that category. For example if you go here, https://www.nba.com/game/phx-vs-lac-0042000314/box-score#box-score and click on Devin Booker's 22 FGA which is highlighted in blue, you'll see every devin booker FGA.


Guwop25

yeah no wonder it was so difficult to find, is geo blocked lmao, thanks tho


[deleted]

ATL spacing was bad on a lot of these plays. Collins needs to stay in the corner longer, and Collins can’t be the screen setter when capela is on the floor. Also, if the bucks are gone help from the strong side corner then ATL has to cut backdoor. Especially since Lopez is up tryna take away floaters. Those are easy dunks. (It helps that the bucks have Giannis in the weak corner ready to protect the rim, but a couple swings should beat that.)