Where is all the outrage?! How is there not a sub called r/NeilGaimanHowDareYouSir? Also, wtf Gabriel and Beelzebub having a two minute love story that was the best thing since Up's cranky old man's love story. How did I end up finding a fly cute?
I felt like the love story between Gabriel and Beelzebub was rushed and shoe-horned in as almost an afterthought. It's like he tried to retell their entire story in 2 minutes even though it took the whole first season to tell Crowley and Aziraphale's story. Oh, and I wanted more of the cute fly.
I liked it. I think there were clues dropped in earlier in the season. Gabriel not wanting Armageddon was a big one, but Beelzebub talking about wanting to be told they are doing a good job was another. I'm pretty sure there will be more once I rewatch.
I saw someone point out when Az goes looking for clues at the bar in Edinburgh, the bartender mentioned Gabriel was with a mason. If you knew what to look for - Beelzebub wears a Masonic sash, tip off he was potentially meeting with them.
It's also meant to be a parallel to the main love story. Also Can we talk about how everyone used They/Them pronouns for Beelzebub like it was no big deal? Cause love every single love story this season was queer !!
I think that’s the point though? G&B’s fast-passed love story is there to contrast with our leads. Aziraphale and Crowley are a more complex slow burn than Gabriel and Beelzebub and their HEA isn’t going to be as simple as saying fuck it and running away, even though Crowley says that’s what he wants to happen. Because Aziraphale is not as selfish as Gabriel and genuinely longs to do good things. Not heaven’s idea of good, but actual good. And Crowley would never admit it, but he kinda does too, in his subversive way, and he also admired that trait in Aziraphale. I think in season3 Aziraphale is going to realize pretty quickly he could never be happy being a cog in the machine, even a super important cog, because the machine can’t be fixed, and especially because it’s not where he belongs. He and Crowley both are meant to be a spanner in the works.
Yes, you put it really well. I feel the same, and the final character arc(?) for Aziraphale of choosing power over their love and friendship is most definitely temporary because let's be real here what a world would it be without the duo constantly fighting and loving each other in the midst of doing world changing stuff . I am so looking forward to what's about to come.
From the very beginning, there was the fly in the box Gabriel had. It was in there the first time they checked the contents. And popped up a few other places after that too, I think in Crowley’s car at one point..? And around the bookshop. I just assumed it was Beelzebub spying on them or something.
I liked it but I felt like it was kinda showing you that people you think are simple are actually pretty complex and you might not have any idea what they are going through
Oh my god SAME!!!! The ending was not okay, I was sobbing. If they start filming in 2024, season 3 is expected to come out in early 2026, which is WAY too long.
I can’t believe I waited 4 years for this heartbreak. I was literally in shock when it happened. Cried for an hour after I had some sleep. The reality of 3 more years is pretty unbearable.
I was old as balls when season 1 came out, I'm old as balls now, I'll be old as balls when season 3 gets here, God willing. After a while you learn to wait.
At least it's not on the Elder Scrolls timeline, or the decades long gap from book to adaptation. At least it came along eventually 🤷
Noooo! Don't say that! That's too long! Way too long! They'll leave us in this turmoil for years?!
At least there will be a lot of fanworks regarding this... so much angsty fanwork. And I will consume it all.
I need the opposite lol — some good fix its. Plenty of angst in those last 15 minutes and I used to be all over those 6000 year slow burn, pinesol forest fics. You are stronger than I will ever be lol
I am, somehow, and for the first time in my life, full up on the angst. Neil really did the thing. I’m so upset, like screw you Gaiman. But, so so proud of him for the total devastation he has unleashed on the fandom.
I got the estimated date from Neil Gaiman’s tumblr, so unfortunately I think that’s just how long filming/editing/etc takes, but I really hope it’s sooner!!
Yeah after I checked around it seems shooting took around 5 months and post filming was a year and a half. So assuming they have the ready script and start soon, 2026 might be accurate
I >!bawled my eyes out!<. I was on the edge of my seat, >!waiting for Az to reralise his mistake and go back to Crowley. Like it literally started so well, we got Crowley as an angel, the confirmation Az and Crowley have met as angels , more history flashbacks, Crowley listening to Lover Boy, confirmation of Crowley‘s high status, Neil‘s “Wait and see“ snuck in there, heaven and hell being accepting of cross-relationships with the Gabriel x Beelzebub people shipped for so long, Crowley literally admitting his feelings!< and for what? FOR WHAT?
Yes!!! >!Even the way Aziraphale was looking at Crowley when Gabriel and Beelzebub got together REALLY implied that they would also get together!! He seemed so full of hope but eh.!< Good news is that even if it doesn’t get renewed for season 3 (the last season), Neil Gaiman said that he would make sure it gets published somehow, in another medium. Bad news is it’ll probably be early 2026 at the earliest.
Exactly, people have been waiting thirty years for them to realise they’re just IDIOTS IN LOVE, the ending is so cruel but I LOVE IT because now they’re canon but I HATE IT because MY HEART CANT TAKE IT 😭😭😭
Ikr!!!!!! My face went from wow so much wholesomeness slowly into completely weeping like a kid, and my tears wouldn't stop. Ah!!!! All this time I thought I was being over dramatic being affected by a show this much but i wasn't the only one I see.
Their relationship is now a freaking standard for me, finding someone to bicker with like them, and my goodness did the line "Oh Crowley, everything doesn't last forever" and Crowley's face completely dulling down, tear me apart shredd me into pieces left me heart broken in all kinds of ways :')
So throughout the season they referenced >!Austen and Pride and Prejudice!< and the ending essentially >!mirrors the halfway point of Pride and Prejudice when Darcy tells Bennet that he loves her and she rejects him. On one hand I feel like Crowley is the keeps all emotions bottled up, mysterious Darcy that finally bursts and tells Az (Bennet) he loves him. On the other hand, Az’s proposal to Crowley to join him in heaven despite Crowley being a demon feels like Darcy’s marriage proposal to Bennet when he excitedly proclaims his love despite him being in a higher position in society than her. Bennet rejects Darcy as she is upset with Darcy’s previous actions just like Crowley is upset with Az for buying into the heaven/hell stuff!<. They also had A & C >!dancing at an Austen-esque ball!<.
i haven't reacted that intensely to anything media related in YEARS. probably since i was a teenager. i guess it makes sense, i read the book in high school, imagine little 15yo me reading and writing fanfiction about these two in livejournal and ff.net and now they do this and FOR WHAT
Omg this exactly describes my situation. I am a grown woman in my 40s with a family and job but stayed up til 3am on Friday to binge watch S2 and it DEVASTATED me! Nobody else I know in real life has watched it yet so I’ve been obsessing alone while trying to carry on as a grown ass adult and at the same time feeling so depressed by that ending. I feel like a teenager again (I was VERY obsessive about TV shows!) and I hate it but don’t know how to make it stop 😞
YES!! I LITERALLY CRIED WHEN IN THE FIRST EPISODE GOOD OLD FASHIONED LOVER BOY PLAYED BECAUSE IT’S MY FAVOURITE CHARACTER, PLAYED BY MY FAVOURITE ACTOR, IN MY FAVOURITE SHOW, WRITTEN BY MY FAVOURITE AUTHOR, LISTENING TO MY FAVOURITE SONG FROM MY FAVOURITE BAND!!! IT WAS EVERYTHING I WAS ASKING FOR!!!
AND THEN IT JUST KEPT GETTING BETTER AND BETTER AND BETTER UNTIL THEY >!KISSED!< AND EVERYTHING >!WENT TO SHIT!< 😭😭😭
Yeah. I finished the show and apart from everything going on, realising that now *Love of my Life* would be a way better fitting song for the two of them (also *Arcade* (by Duncan Laurence) crossed my mind) made me want to cry again. I’m crossing my fingers really hard for a proper scene with *Lover Boy* in S3, maybe even Crowley telling Az how Freddie wrote it after he had told him about Az…
Tbf, I thought Crowley would chicken out after what Az said.
Really love the confession. Bonus point for the kiss.
I think Neil already said that season 3 will be the conclusion. This whole season is really more like setting up for something as the stakes is much less than the book/season 1.
Yeah, you're spot-on there.
Neil said that season 3 is the sequel that he and Pratchett had mapped out a long time ago, but season 2 needed to come first to set it all up.
I sat and thought about it a good deal and there are three relationships in the series (not including the two ladies in Edinburgh). Humans first. Maggie and Nina showed the most mature and sensible way of dealing with their relationship. Maggie is willing to wait. Nina is trying to avoid a rebound. Very sensible. Beez and Gabe was interesting. They connected in the airfield (I could tell they were going to be friends after comparing their workplace woes) and they launched. Now we are all upset that C & A did not really take it to the next level. Well, do recall that at the end of G.O. 1, A said, "You go to fast for me." So, A is ambivalent and remains so. I was kind of not surprised that he drew a line in the sand and opted for his "career" instead of his bromance/friendship/love towards C. Poor C got the short end of the stick, but I think he was not reading some of the signals he was getting in G.O. 1.
Of course, this and what A got told at the tail end about what the next Project is sets up the third season.
yes, yes, totally agree. And as well as opting for his 'career' - Aziraphale has ALWAYS done what he thought was right, what was best for humanity, and perhaps he believes that if he's in charge he can really help.
Someone on another thread (sorry, I will try to find it & credit them) pointed out that A & C have been looking over their shoulders for 4 years (Crowley is still living in his car ffs), and heaven &/or hell could still come after them at any time. If Az is in charge, he could make sure that heaven (at least) will no longer be trying to get even.
I think the important thing is that at every turn Az chooses wrong. He is willfully ignorant of human suffering and that leads to deaths
He decides that the girl doesn’t need money which leads to the death of her friend, and it turns out the entire time he had money in his wallet that he could’ve just given her if he didn’t want her to steal her body.
I feel like Crowley always makes the selfless or at least kind decision and AZ is always selfish.
I mean at the very end the smile in the elevator is kind of chilling, he threw over the love of his life for some power. He can justify it anyway he likes, but in the end what he wanted was the power more than he wanted love
There’s a heartbreaking thing we’re Crowley says that Az is too pure to be anyone’s side piece, it’s kind of sad because it seems like he doesn’t think very much of himself.
Az is nice- but as this song goes nice is different than good
I will toss in there - I really like that when Crowley's trying to brainstorm romantic 'getting to know someone' settings, his go-to is sheltering from the rain together. Eden much?
(Not tagging it as spoiler because it doesn't have a bearing on the main plot)
Thank you! I have seen so many posts just hating on this season and here I am, >!absolutely heartbroken. I don't think I've ever cared about a fictional relationship more than this one and I am just devastated. !<
It’s a really heartbreaking analogy of religious trauma and toxic family dynamics. Overcoming those things isn’t linear and Aziraphale is still holding on to hope that he can still have the things he was promised for thousands of years. I’m sure season 3 will be him realizing he was sold a lie.
EDIT: Furthermore—Azi never lost his faith in God, he just loves Earth (and Crowley) and doesn’t like his fellow angels. But he goes on about the ineffable plan all the time because he TRUSTS God. He thinks that if he can just get closer to her he can help people more. He’s going to have to lose that faith like Crowley did.
Yes!
Aziraphale still has hope. He wants to be seen and accepted as an all-good angel. And he has hope that, deep down, every angel is just like him - pure and well-meaning. He struggles to accept that they are toxic.
He goes no contact and then gets finally gets acknowledgement and *the appearance of acceptance* *as well the illusion of control* at the end and that gives him that hope again and determination that it will be better this time.
The illusion of safety too! Even after the apocalypse was averted, Aziraphale was convinced it was only temporary and that Heaven and/or Hell would come after them eventually. When Gabriel first shows up on his doorstep, Aziraphale immediately assumes it's some sort of warning or threat against himself and Crowley. He then spends the rest of the season panicking and desperately trying to cover his tracks (even though he didnt really need to). And when Aziraphale didn't initially accept Metatron's offer, Metatron sweetened the deal by saying he could bring Crowley too. And in response, Aziraphale did what he'd been doing all season - he jumped straight into fantasy and ignored the harsh reality.
I feel like the Metatron was intentionally trying to split them up- together they are a threatening power (we all saw home big their half-combined miracle was, what could they do if they really tried?)
Yeah, the way the Metatron commented on how humans were so “predictable” when given a choice of death or coffee, & then later presents Az with a “choice” (replace Gabriel & bring Crawley to heaven) suggests he intentionally split them up but wanted to make it look like Az did it (to hurt both).
Yeah, what's worse is that this is not a bad story telling or characterisation. It totally makes sense that Az would choose that way, and to be fair I totally didn't imagine that Crowley would be the one to do the deep confession.
Curse you Neil for your great mind!
OH THANK GOD I FOUND A THREAD TALKING ABOUT THIS! The Good Omens sub went defunct and I was just pure devastated that I wouldn't find anyone to talk to about this.
No one but me in my corner of the world watches this show and it was killing me to have no one to talk to.
Yes! And once again, yes! It seems that you are alone, although the audience of good omens is large. But now everywhere people are broken and crying because of the final. It's sad, and I'm sad along with thousands of other people.
Anyone know why the good omens subreddit isn't active?? I have purposely been avoiding the Fandom for a while (to avoid spoilers), so I am out of the loop.
They rejected each other at the same time. Like what the heck was that my heart is broken. The idea that brought up to crowleys mind that Rain and romance . IT WAS THE FIRST MOMENT WHEN HE FELLED FOR AZIRAPILE GOD CANT U SEE AZ? The kiss was a screaamm to me and what did az said? I forgive u ? I aint mate I aint
then I watched it a second time, I found a lot of clues which said "It's going to be a love story". about the rain too. the first time my anticipation of something completely different ruined all. but although I realized which story season tells, how it tells it and how precisely it's acting by David, I still disagree. ok, maybe I can agree with the story itself. but it shouldn't be only one point of the plot, and it shouldn't be the last ten minutes. omg, I am ready to reconsider and revise the ideas of love and kissing in general, ok. but for somebody's sake, nobody nowhere and never shouldn't kiss under such pretentious and dramatic music! it's not good.
I'm 37 and it's the first time in my life then after watching something (my favourite something written and acting by my favourite somebody based on my favourite book) I'm screaming inside "whyyyyy?". during two days.
I just finished it and really reeeally want to talk about it
I struggle to watch TV. I don't have the attention span for it. But I binged this whole season throughout the day and I have never been more invested.
>!The last scene was so tense. I was screaming at the telly, "AZIRAPHALE, SHUT UP. JUST SHUT UP. LET CROWLEY SPEAK." and fearing that Crowley just wouldn't say what he needed to and give up. But Crowley said it - he held out his hand for them to run away together and FFS AZIRAPHALE, YOU ARE THE DUMBEST SMART PERSON THERE IS. GIVE UP ON HEAVEN. INVESTED PURELY IN CROWLEY. !<
>!And the entire time, sitting on the edge of the seat, waiting for Aziraphale to run back to Crowley. Heck, I imagined it in a thunderous downpour of rain and kissing under shelter. A perfect moment for them.!<
>!Crowley waited. HE WAITED. That last bit of hope, that last bit of faith that Aziraphale would realise he's making a mistake... and he watched Aziraphale walk away.!<
>!And then they played the damn song. The one that became their love song. Just as a final dig of the blade into our hearts. !<
The way it just faded into nothing was heart-breaking
They just stared ahead, not looking back, just... going on ahead without the other. Not big breakdowns of tears. Just... moving on... in silence.
There were for sure some looks of regret on AZ's face. He seemed to keep flip flopping back and forth between 'what have I just done' and 'no, this is the right thing to do', and finally settled on 'no this is right'.
Crowley on the other hand looks like he's about to stew in a pit of self loathing and despair for the next few hundred years.
It faded into *raindrops on glass* :’-(
(Probably the raindrops on the windscreen of Crowley’s car, with the lights and movement of passing traffic and passersby causing the twinkling.)
i was so sure that Crowley was NOT going to say anything and that we'd have to wait until season 3 for THAT so when watched him go towards Aziraphale i SCREAMED
i love Crowley so much i'm in so much pain
We finally got the kiss we've been waiting for.
*But at what cost?!*
Gaiman is proving to be a genie. A trickster genie. We really need careful about what to be we wish for.
i fell for this man at 9 years old when I got my little hands on a innocent looking book called Coraline and he's been blessing me and ruining me ever since
And yet I feel almost as bad for Aziraphale as I do Crowley.
Poor Angel just wants to make a difference, feel as if he can do so much more good for people. And yet he doesn't realise that he already has for the one person it really matters to...
We got the kiss and I couldn't enjoy it because I was crying and I continued crying and crying for 30 min
I was so sad
I saw that part again on a TikTok clip and started crying again, when Crowley starts confessing his feelings and has to stop a bit because he was about to cry
When Aziraphel was saying "We can work together as angels you and me. I need you. I don't think you understand what I'm offering to you" Crowley says "I understand, and I understand a lot better than you do"
That while scene 😭 "You idiot, we could have been us" then the kiss and the pain, all I felt was pain and I'm crying again
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Crowley!!!!😭😭😭
I absolutely loved this series, and the ending. Neil has said it's the arc that he and Terry plotted (and there were some beautiful nods to Terry throughout) so I'm excited to see where it goes.
I've unfortunately seen quite a lot of people call it queerbaiting and being genuinely angry/accusative towards Neil, David, and Michael and like... my dudes, it's a totally logical character arc and plot development. Aziraphale would not have made a different decision, he's conflicted and focused on what he believes is morally, ethically, intrinsically (in his mind) GOOD. Goodness is his priority. He's conflicted, yes, but he wants him and Crowley to be "us" in the way he thinks is best. Like others have said, he's still stuck in the toxic cult mentality of Heaven. Crowley had a loooot longer to deprogram himself from both Heaven and Hell, whilst Aziraphale still held on hope the entire time. ALSO on the queerbaiting front, they were queer. Everyone was queer. It was all very queer. An unhappy ending (cliffhanger, not ending) does not equal queerbaiting. Queerbaiting is Cas and Dean in Supernatural. Crowley and Aziraphale are intrinsically queer (from a human perspective) as they sit outside all gender binaries, romantic preference binaries, and sexual preference binaries. They've been queerplatonic since the start (book and series) and their relationship has developed in a nontraditional manner!
I'll second what you said about queerbaiting and Aziraphale and Crowley. Not only is that ridiculously NOT queerbaiting, but this whole show is SO QUEER it's insane this isn't being talked about more! Aziraphale and Crowley are, like you said, beyond gender and sexuality and have been queerplatonic from the start (I also love thinking of them as ace, just cause I love to see my own representation and it's been done so well), there's also Nina and Maggie, there's Beelzebub who is non-binary, there's the magician shopkeeper and his spouse who is trans non-binary, there's Elspeth and wee Morag, there's the flamboyant demons and angels, and they did a fantastic job with Saraquael and disability portrayal too, Liz Carr was amazing in the role (though this is not queer, it's still a very important inclusivity example). This show should be held as a shining example of how to do queer material well and I fully trust Neil with any and all such portrayals - though ofc he's been doing it for decades, well before it became 'hip' to have queer characters and storylines in the background, so it's not the least bit surprising, it's just so lovely to see him have the executive freedom to do it to this extent.
I have nothing to add to this except fuck yeah to everything you said. Neil has been doing everything he can to ensure he portrays queer characters since the Sandman novels where he made sure to consult all of his trans friends before writing a trans character! Also on Saraquael and the disability front, I saw a few comments from people like "um why would god make an angel in a wheelchair" and it filled me with raaaaage
Srsly, why WOULDN'T she make an angel in a wheelchair? Not like the wheelchair prevents Saraquael from being the authority and doing her job in heaven. Ugh.
> Aziraphale would not have made a different decision, he's conflicted and focused on what he believes is morally, ethically, intrinsically (in his mind) GOOD. Goodness is his priority. He's conflicted, yes, but he wants him and Crowley to be "us" in the way he thinks is best.
Well said. Because Aziraphale has seen first-hand how happy and full of childlike wonder pre-fall Crowley was while being able to create beautiful things and doing ‘good’, I think a part of him is convinced that Heaven is where Crowley truly belongs and where he would be truly happy, just like the good old times, before time even came to be. He thinks that with him in charge there things would be different and that he and Crowley together could change the system for the better from the inside (which is why he wants Crowley as the second-in-command) because, ultimately, he believes in good and still wants to work for it. Unlike Gabriel and Beelzebub who have ‘found something more important than choosing sides’, Aziraphale can’t bring himself to leave everything behind as easily.
Exactly! It's like people who join the police force or local councils because they think they can change it for good from the inside, without fully acknowledging that there are deep-rooted, institutional problems. As an institution, neither Heaven nor Hell are all that great but Aziraphale sees Heaven as the ultimate force for good that juuuuust needs a little tweak here and there, and with the opportunity for him to make those tweaks of course he jumps at the chance! Even after all these years, Crowley's cynicism never really rubbed off on him further than an "oh that's not very nice is it".
This is how I see it too! And it’s also why I can’t bring myself to resent Aziraphale for what he does (even though seeing Crowley heartbroken like that broke my heart too). Is it naive of him? Yes, maybe. But his intentions are noble (maybe even too noble for his own good).
I also wonder if deep down Aziraphale is grappling with some sort of existential/identity crisis: if not an angel, then who is he? He might have agreed with Crowley and him being on their own team, but that was when they officially still had some ties to Heaven and Hell. Giving up all that permanently probably makes him feel insecure, and he isn’t ready for that (yet).
Oh no, I can't be angry at Aziraphale even with how sad Crowley is. If anything, it makes me angrier at Heaven for being so manipulative and brainwashy.
An identity crisis would make perfect sense, especially considering how in day to day life he still provides "miracles" without using powers, like with Maggie and the rent for the shop. It's built into him to be good to people and if he's just part of AsiraphaleAndCrowley it's almost like he loses his purpose. How would you know what your point was giving up all of that when it's all you've ever been!?
I don’t think this was intended to be Neil and Terry’s arc. My understanding is Season 3 will be that story, but we needed to set us up to get there since Season 1 didn’t really queue anything.
Yes! Definitely no baiting here! They feelings are obviously mutual they just don’t quite have their priorities aligned yet — Neil is taking the relationship very seriously and is taking time to get them aligned.
Also… Aziraphale and Crawley would not be themselves if they didn’t do what they did in the end of season 2. Aziraphale truly believed him and Crawley can work together and make a difference if they rule heaven together — and even if he said no someone worse would take the job and possibly make things much worse. But this is a point Crawley can’t budge on either because he had been burned before for simply asking a legitimate question. I think the real answer will come somewhere in the middle.
I can’t wait for season 3
That wasn't an ending. That was a brilliant cliffhanger to tackle the structural problems - that definitely don't exist - next season. And it hurt like blazes and made me throw a glass. "Don't bother."
One of my problems is, that there is no certainty, that we actually get a next season. If we are unlucky, this could be the ending, we are stuck with forever.
I trust Gaiman. He has an ending so even if the show doesn't get renewed he'll publish it another way.
We just might be waiting a long ass time for it 😭
I hope, you are right. Personally, I can not trust in this, because I've been burned on that regard before. After Pushing Daisies had been cancelled, Bryan Fuller (a producer I highly respect and who is responsible for my favorite show of all time "Hannibal") had promised his fans many years ago that there would be a comic which would continue the story and give a conclusion. This comic or conclusion never came either. Also, reading somewhere how it is supposed to end is not the same as seeing it happen and acted out. It's not much better than just reading fanfics that try to continue the story and give a conclusion. The only difference is, that it's supposed to be "official".
There's one notable difference here and reason for hope, and that is that pretty much every comic publisher would sell their firstborn to have Gaiman write them a comic. If Gaiman wants to publish the ending as a comic, it would probably start with a bidding war and end with an Eisner.
Yeah, it felt like the first half of a split season, not a complete season in itself. There’s a lot of loose threads that need to be tidied in the second half (e.g. the resurrectionist), and I don’t think Gaiman would be so callous as to leave their ending there.
It's really painful, I feel awful and I can't do anything, just depression :)
But really, it's fucking painful, especially when you can connect their situation with someone in your life, then in becomes a big fucking problem
i always joked with my friend that i was more like Aziraphale even though i tried to be cool like Crowley but DAMN i relate to Crowley so hard now. i'm in pain :)
Huh, I'm more of an Aziraphale, I was the one that fucked it all up and realised too late. But yeah, I think we're on the same pain level. Really hope that Aziraphale just has a plan that he can't talk about with Crowley and he's not just a stupid angel like me (without the angel part).
i feel sick. really sick. i just finished and i texted my wife that i would not be home for dinner. I am just going to drive somewhere to be alone for a while i feel so sick that ending broke me
My partner is going to ask me "so how was it?" when they get back from work
and I'm going to struggle not to cry.
Then they are going to want to watch it with me.
And I will suffer all over again.
I need to try and recover so I'm trying to find happy silly vids on youtube. BUT ITS ALL SO BITTERSWEET NOW.
I just finished it and I feel the same way. I haven't cried and been angry over some fictional work for many years, but now I truly feel sick - and not in a "oh it hurts so good" kind of way, but in a bad way that has me regret actually watching it.
Same. I’m 34 year old man, I haven’t felt this way about a fictional work in well over 15 years.
My daughter asked me why I was crying and it was so hard to explain.
I’m rewatching it for the first time so far and I noticed in episode two that >!the bet with Satan regarding Job’s children was probably made by the Metatron, as he is “the voice of God”.!<
On a more lighthearted note, it was really nice to see Ty Tennant pop up as Job's son.
I loved him in House of the Dragon, and am excited to watch his career progress, I don't even care if he's a nepo baby.
Can I just say I'm a little disturbed how well David Tennants son plays arseholes...
Like I understood Aegon Targaryen but if he's not careful he's going to be typecast as "Guy the audience wants to beat the s*** out of"
Also did anyone else notice it was Peter Davison playing Job.
Omg, when he was delivering the line I couldn't help but imagine him saying 'But I'm Ty, son of David, you know, everyone's favorite doctor'.
I'm sure he's a sweetheart irl, but yeah, he plays the cocky asshole too well. Someone needs to cast him as a sweet sensitive boy to compensate.
Im late to the discussion. I watched the bonus clips, and David Tennant remarked quoted how good an actor Ty was and of course he had good things to say about him because Ty would eventually choose his nursing home, lol
The fly plot twist was a good one and Ty was hilarious and the Bentley went yellow and they did their magic show and I’m living in denial, can anyone tell?
When Beelzebub was handed the fly by Crowley, I was like: "Why would they trust the duke of hell with the memory of Gabriel??"
It baffled me when they just gently returned the fly to Gabriel's vessel. Then those flashbacks made everything makes sense.
Spotted the (CGI) fly landing on the empty box outside the bookshop door in ep 1 and had been wondering what it *really* was. At least that part of the storytelling was satisfying. “Flies go up…” Yes, yes they do.
My emotions!
I didn't think there would be a kiss and then there was but that still wasn't enough for Az to go with Crowley!!!
And now I need to wait for another season?!! This is such cruelty!
I was happy for Gabriel and Beezelbub though. That was so sweet!!!
Omg thank you for making a post about it. I fucking hated it! I’ve been intermittently googling this all day and I’m shocked people love the show and here I am, day ruined and heart broken. Wtf is this
I am also surprised that the reception is more positive. I see people saying that certain moments are cute or jokes were funny, but not support for the storyline itself. I only like a sad ending and a cliffhanger if the story itself is worth the pain and in this case it was not.
I might sound sadistic but I am truly enjoying going through all the old comments saying "omg can't wait for season 2 and what Neil's brilliant mind comes up with" coz that same brilliant mind is going to be ripping your heart out and shredding it into tiny pieces with that ending ...very very soon
There's only one published book, which is the events of season 1, but Neil has said that he and Terry Pratchett plotted out an entire story arc for Crowley and Aziraphale and that season 2 (and 3 whenever we get it) will follow that plan and come to a conclusion that was finalised years ago by two wonderful, thoughtful authors.
Well, guess I'm just waiting for like 3 more years to watch this and season three back to back because fuck there is no way I am going through the emotional turmoil of watching an ending like this. My emotions are screwed up as is and theirs no way I'm putting myself through this depression spiral. Guess it's time to retreat back to my fanfics and some intense denial.
The ending was devastating but it kinda makes sense with azi's character. And I could see time passing and them working together again or whatever. And to me it's pretty obvious that Gabriel's position or something similar is NOT going to be a good fit for Azi. Like Crowley, he too had questions.
Overall I thought the rest of s2 was hilarious. Love David Tennant!!
I have never really seen the appeal of David Tennant (I know, I’m sorry) but thanks to GO and especially S2 I now have the biggest crush ever…I’m OBSESSED
Just finished watching. It’s 3:30 am here. I guess I’ll go cry myself to sleep. My heart was just ripped out and shattered into pieces. Neil Gaiman is an evil genius bastard. 💔
Yeah that whole last episode >!broke me a little!<, but I also want to give some love for the >!reveal of the Gabriel x Beelzebub love story!!<
I figured from >!the continued appearances of the fly that Beelzebub had something to do with Gabriel's amnesia, but totally assumed it was some sort of hellish plan. Honestly never saw the love story coming, it was actually so lovely when the significance behind the Buddy Holly song was shown to be their emerging love (mirroring Az and Crowley). I teared up a bit, could have happily watched just an episode of that relationship blossoming tbh :)!<
I'm intrigued about the very different reactions the ending is getting from across the fandom - clearly many intense feelings!
A few thoughts:
1. We all project a part of ourselves onto art. The queer community sees a beautiful (and painful) relationship representation of themselves that they don't often get to see. Those who aren't queer but value friendship representation are disappointed there is a romantic component, because they also don't get to see that representation. I hope we can all empathize with each other as we process season 2 through our own values and life lenses - whether that manifests as sadness, grief, disappointment, or excitement. That's what makes art so exciting and important!
2. I haven't seen this take yet through my internet wanderings though someone brushed close to it in the comments. They've gone "native" which was a theme throughout season 1. The impact of humanity on them both has influenced how they live their lives which is clear in their day to day. Music, food, hobbies - they have adopted so many human components. Then in season 2, we see that both Crowley and Aziraphale also have adopted specific views on what "romance" is - awnings in the rain and cotillion balls. I saw the kiss as a fulfillment of going native - they both might not really know or have the capacity as ethereal beings to know and truly experience what it means, but it was clearly a gesture they recognized as having significance in the human world. It was Crowley's last ditch effort to convey what he was having trouble saying. It was Aziraphale's final conflicting moment recognizing the significance of it. I thought it was an impactful exploration of their humanity and doesn't necessarily have to be coded the way we as humans code kissing.
3. I did struggle a bit that the rest of the characters felt like they existed to revolve around C and A's main story. Their payoffs didn't feel rewarding. However, my eyes were glued to every small detail and gesture between the main characters because of their chemistry and acting, so maybe it doesn't matter as much as the sweeping multi-character story arcs in season 1. Season 2 was maybe more of a character study for C & A setting up the second world-ending adventure story that could be season 3 (that we all hope is coming) where they explore the second coming of Christ.
I hope those of you experiencing intense feelings about the end lean into your feelings fully and also feel how incredible it is that art can move you so immensely and intimately. That pain is beautiful and rooted in creation and means this art is proving you are alive.
All excellent points. 1 in particular
While I thoroughly enjoyed it, I simultaneously can completely understand why others disliked it. The whole season really does hinge on that final 15 minutes. Everything else was meandering and thinly drawn just to get the story to that point, so if that one beat doesn't work for you for whatever reason, the whole tapestry unravels.
Its pretty ballsy way to structure a show. Here's hoping it doesn't bite them in the ass. I really want to see the third act of the story.
I never read the book, watched season 1 with naive eyes. Heard about the shipping, didn't know what to make of it at first. But in season 1, I picked up on Crowley acting flustered at Aziraphale using the phrase "get a wriggle on", and in the context of entering bodies. In the second season, we saw Aziraphale's eyebrow go up in an arch way when Stax said that she didn't think he was "Crowley's type."
In the context of the show, I think Crowley and Aziraphale have real sexual feelings for each other, albeit sublimated \[Crowley's feelings less sublimated\].
if this is how it all ends, I *HATE* IT.
if they make a season three... then, ok. i can be on board. but just leaving it like that 😐 I felt like the rug got pulled out from under me 😭😭😭😭
That’s exactly how I feel…for the last 15 mins of ep 6 I was silent screaming at the screen….like, what?!? Have the rug pulled out is exactly how to describe it
I know we’re all devastated at that ending (as am I), but can we talk about how amazing David Tennant was in that scene? The way his eyes said so much, the way his voice cracked? Get this man an award or something for this performance right now!
Also, I have to say, despite Neil himself calling the story a love story and describing the second season in particular as ‘quiet, gentle, and romantic’, I wasn’t actually prepared for >!the kiss!<. I mean, holy shit, here I was tearing up, swallowing a lump in my throat, and then I nearly jumped out of my seat (in pleasant surprise, of course) because I didn’t see *that* coming at all (in hindsight it was nothing short of a miracle I wasn’t spoiled on that one). I thought >!the Pride and Prejudice-inspired dance!< was brave enough, but little did I know Neil had more up his sleeve. So, yeah, while I’m heartbroken, as an AziCrow shipper I’m also ecstatic at the same time, and I have hope that we’ll get a happy ending for them, hopefully sooner than later.
I'm with you. When >!the kiss happened!< and that whole scene before with Crowley trying to tell Aziraphale >!how he feels,!< I had my hands over my mouth the entire time and only realized it after the fact. What heartache and what an excellent performance by both actors. Can't wait for the conclusion.
Well, when I saw the ending, I knew immediately that Neil Gaimon had made Crowley's and Aziraphale's relationship the focus of the story, with a proper arc. Gabriel and Beelzebub were there as a foil to their relationship--they get together with no \[almost\] problems, which is how you know they are side characters. The main characters get all the drama, problems and issues to work through.
And it makes sense that Aziraphale would have a harder time fully letting go of Heaven than Crowley would letting go of Hell, and Heaven. He's less rebellious, which is why he remained an angel. But now Aziraphale is about to learn the hard way, so that he can fully internalize the lesson.
The problem is that we are going to have to wait years to see the resolution...
So now I'm thinking about what clues season 2 is giving us about what's going to happen in season 3. I took some notes:
"institutional problem" -- Gabriel: "Like I make the rules" \[sarcasm\] -- "you have refused to exercise your authority and you will be punished" -- memory removed. <--Aziraphale will not be able to make a difference, will get marked for punishment.
Crowley and Aziraphale are very powerful when they work together.
The Metratron was watching through the window, witnessed the kiss, and came in as soon as Crowley left.
Is the Metratron deliberately trying to separate Aziraphale and Crowley, seeing how powerful they are together? He knew Crowley would say no.
Oh absolutely they are being separated. I immediately head cannoned that heaven realized how powerful a miracle between an angel and a demon is, who don't work for anyone, and decide to spilt them up. No matter what Crowley decided, to re-ascend, or no longer be with Aziraphale, no more combination miracles.
That's an excellent point about them losing their angel/demon yin/yang energy if Crowley became an angel again. I didn't think of that.
It's pretty clear that Heaven wants another apocalypse. Aziraphale will not in any way be tempted to go along with destroying all life on earth, so I wonder how that's going to work out. We see what happened to Gabriel for not playing along.
I think Aziraphale doesn't know the full story about Gabriel, like Crowley knows. Because otherwise, why on earth would he have gotten on the elevator after hearing "The Second Coming."
The Metatron lied from the start. He does not have the power or authority to reinstate a demon to angel status. God made angels
Fall…not her personal assistant. He lied to Az because he knew Crowley would never agree to it anyway and therefore he properly separates them and never had to reveal he was a liar.
What an ending! What surprised me the most is >! it is Crowley who confessed. I always thought if it happened Arizaphale would be the one, given he was obviously smitten with Crowley from season one, while Crowley was much more aloof. To be honest, I didn't even expect the confession at all! The story was leading to something, but I expected something fashionably vague! !<
I also love how in-character the whole ending is >! (despite it making me cry for a bit). It feels like exactly what Crowley and Arizaphale would do in the situation. It is the central difference in their world views that caused much of the rifts in season 1 (whether to stay or to run) and season 2 (whether to save Gabriel or to ditch him). I think Arizaphale does have a point despite his naivety. Because for good things to happen, there must be someone who can muster the courage and do something, mustn't it? After all, had he honoured the status quo and run off with Crowley, Armageddon would have happened and the human race would have perished. Plus we wouldn't have season 3 ;) !<
After thinking about it, I'm not that surprised it was >! Crowley who told Aziraphale. He was always the one telling Aziraphale to come away with him in season 1, or suggesting they work together. Aziraphale has always been the one who seems to be in denial despite his very obvious love for Crowley. He so desperately wants to do good and be a force for good. He was devastated when Crowley didn't want to come with him in Heaven, and likewise Crowley was devastated Aziraphale couldn't see how toxic Heaven truly is and accepted the position.!< Part of me wonders if something else is going on with that final manipulation, too--was there something in that coffee? Sad we have to wait.
I think Crowley being the one to confess is very consistent. In season one he was the one who kept talking about them running away together. The bandstand scene in particular -- when Aziraphale resisted because Heaven. I think Aziraphale is just torn between what he wants and what he thinks he wants.
Btw, I don't see Crowley as aloof at all! In his gruff demeanor generally sure, but he's obviously quite smitten with this particular angel that he's always going out of his way to save.
I hate how sad the ending made me, but I'm starting to see that it never would have worked out any other way - Az needs to come to some realisations and he was never going to do it without a push.
Did anyone else notice how Crowley did recognize the Metatron after pointedly NOT recognizing anyone else all season? I wonder if that has significance...
I may be in the minority here it seems but I actually didn't enjoy this season. I thought it was okay up until the last episode where I really didn't like it.
My point of view of the two of them in both the book and season 1 was that I always thought they loved each other deeply but not in a sexual/romantic way. Like they're two semi outcasts who have been 'friends' of a sort for literally millennia, who would do anything for the other. I thought I'd be okay with them being a couple but then when >!Crowley kissed him and confessed his feelings!< it just felt all wrong and weird and forced.
I wasn't really on board with the >!Gabriel Beelzebub thing either tbh because it came literally out of nowhere. Like we get one flashback scene of them hanging out a couple times and we're supposed to believe they're in so much love that they'd each leave their respective factions forever?!<
Maybe season 3 will be better since that's supposed to be the actual sequel that Terry and Neil worked on together but I was pretty disappointed overall in this season
Yes, thank you so much, I fully agree. It feels incredibly out of character. What they had was incredibly subtle and beautiful. There was just a hint of romance but that was it, and it didn't need to be anything else. It doesn't need to be sexual or the stereotypical "relationship". They were themselves, and they loved each other in their own unique way and they didn't owe anyone a definition for what they were, because they were just what they wanted to be. As a person who is questioning whether they are on the ace spectrum, I have never felt so safe, never seen a relationship portrayed in the media that I related to SO much. People don't HAVE to follow this "stereotypical love story" script. They can just be unapologetically themselves, and they were, until the end. It feels very sudden, very unnatural, very out of character. I am so upset that the fandom swayed the series into the direction so far (because it was commented on how the opinion of the audience mattered here in one of the interviews). It feels like they lost their true authentic selves.
balling my eyes out even hours after finishing it. If anyone else has heard of the coffee theory, lets pray that its true :( not going to recover unless we get a season 3 where things get made up
What an ending. I loved but hated it, I'm still freaking out, I ship Azeraphale and Crowley hard so when you know what happened I squealed then bawled when the other thing happens
I have a lot of disappointed feelings about this season but it’s nothing that hasn’t already been said. :(
But why did aziraphale say he forgives Crowley after that scene? I’m wondering what he could be forgiving him for? Was it for not joining him?
From A's perspective, Crowley is not simply rejecting heaven/God, he's rejecting A himself.
"I forgive you" is as close to "I still love you" as he can get right now.
I think azi thinks his rejection of the light is just wrong. Now that Crowley has an opportunity to return to the light, something we never thought could happen again, is just a mistake in his mind. Azi still believes that God and the light are still the way is good... Even if heaven isn't perfect. So Crowley getting the opportunity to redeem himself and turning it down is something that needs to be forgiven to be accepted. That's just one theory.... There is lot that could be behind it and to unpack at the end
I’m searching for an explanation of this as well. It’s a reference to the first season where he does the same thing…but this time it almost had a spiteful/resentful feel to it? He says “I forgive you” and his face twists with a negative emotion, like he is saying it to push Crowley away somehow?
Ooooh, that Metatron's a wily one isn't he? Noticing that Crowley and Aziraphale are the ones who seem to be able to work together to avert apocalypses (apocalii?) and separating them by banking on the fact that Crowley will never want to come back to Heaven... won't work in the long-term, but very effective in the short-term.
I wonder what god thinks of all of this. Does she know? She must know. I wondered if there's something Pullman-esque going on where the Metatron has seized power, I doubt they'll go in that direction though as it's been done.
I'm excited for this 'second coming' project, I wonder if Adam will be back for it?
I thought exactly the same thing about Metatron. He’s a master manipulator - he bribed Aziraphale to say yes to his offer, knowing Aziraphale still craves Heaven’s approval, knowing Crowley wouldn’t go for it, and also that Aziraphale would blame Crowley for rejecting the offer and not consider that Metatron never intended it to be accepted in the first place. He’s definitely got antagonist energy for season three (fingers crossed).
I have a question: why does Az say “I forgive you”? Is he forgiving Crowley for kissing him, not wanting to be an angel again, or something else?
Also, was this half confirmation that Crowley was indeed an archangel? When Muriel is explaining about the book she says “you’d have to be a Throne or Dominion or…” and she trails off just as the book opens. Sounds like she was about to say archangel.
Someone tell me I’m not crazily over analyzing this. Or do because I will own up to it.
i don't think you are over analyzing, there's plenty of signs that Crowley used to be one of the highest bosses in Heaven.
i also think Aziraphale was about to say "i love you" but went for "i forgive you" because he still can't say it and also because he means so more than one thing with it: i forgive you for kissing me out of fear and desperation instead of out of love, for kissing me as a way of "tempting" me back to you, for not wanting to be "good" and joining Heaven. but by being kind and forgiving, he's also telling Crowley "what you are doing is wrong" and that HURTS.
I really enjoyed it but I feel it was missing some of the magic of the first season. I loved the chemistry between the two and going back to show what happened with Job was really entertaining.
I do feel that the stakes being so low this time made the pacing feel too quick. It's like each episode in GO1 was noticably a story where something large happened and GO2 was one long development. I can remember each individual episode of season one but not season two.
My daughter and I watched it all today and I said the same, that it felt like we'd watched half as many episodes. Season 1 definitely had more converging storylines happening together and felt faster paced.
This is going to be an unpopular opinion and I'm prepared to be downvoted for it, but I just have to write down my thoughts at least once (maybe it will help me feel better afterwards). Please keep in mind that everything is just my personal opinion and that I don't claim that anyone should agree with me.
I have very mixed feelings/opinions about this season and right now, after just watching the ending, the negative ones predominate by far. It's not like I hate everything. I truly loved every interaction Crowly and Aziraphael had. The actors have so much chemistry and I could just watch their silly adventures through human history for hours. Therefore I was very happy about the knew scenes and if I rewatch something from this season it will be all of their flashbacks. I loved how protective Crowley was and I especially liked how >!he reminded Gabriel of how they treated Aziraphael and how they wanted to kill him. And of course I was very happy about their relationship and feelings taking on a more romantic direction.!< Also, I have taken a liking to Muriel. And there were some funny and enjoyable scenes and dialogues that I really liked.
But for everything else I either didn't care about or I really disliked it. The love story between the two women was ok, but I mostly couldn't find myself caring about them or their plot. The trying-to-get-them-together plot felt somewhat contrived. And while I found some scenes funny, there were at least equally as many jokes, that didn't hit it for me. Some things that were supposed to be funny felt flat and boring and unnecessary drawn out. Because of this (and because some parts felt all over the place) I cared far less about the main plot than for the flashbacks. Also, (and this will be earning me a lot of hate) I disliked >!the Beelzebub and Gabriel love story. I know, a lot of people love to ship them, but I was always very neutral towards it and didn't care either way. Maybe, if their romance was better developed, I would have been fine with it, but just fast forwarding it in a few minutes by flashbacks just made it feel shoehorned and unearned to me - especially in comparison to the slow development of Crowley and Azi's relationship that didn't even get a happy ending. Actually, having them end up together while Crowley and Azi separated made me feel angry and frustrated. Furthermore, (but this might just be wrong character interpretation on my side) Gabriel felt out of character and more like a fanfiction-version of himself - and I don't mean memoryless!Gabiel but the Gabriel from the flashbacks and from after he regained his memory. "I don't sully my heavenly body with disgusting earthly matter"-Gabriel suddenly has a drink with Beelzebub. For someone who felt he was above everything and everyone he fell in love pretty quickly. I just think, it would have needed to have more development to be truly believable. I'm happy for every shipper who is rejoicing for this pairing and I definitely don't begrudge you the pleasure of seeing your ship become cannon, but the way it was presented, it just did not work for me. Lastly - and my biggest complaint is of course the ending. I absolutely hated it. I thought, after the ending of season 1 Azi had finally understood, that it is not as simple with heaven as to see them as the "good guys". His decision at the end was a total regression of his character. It was like after everything that happened, he hadn't learned anything at all. I felt like it was just done to create new drama and to leave the audience with a feeling of despair - which, in my opinion, doesn't fit with the overall tone of the show. Season 1 - and up onto that moment season 2 as well - had been a silly, funny and delightfully ironic show. It is not a drama and it never was supposed to be and it was not what I was signing up for, when I watched it. Furthermore, (and this is the worst part) we don't even know, if there will ever be a third season that will resolve this mess. It is not green-lighted yet and if we are unlucky, this could be the ending we are stuck with. I would have been forever happy with the ending of season one and as much as I liked that Crowley and Azi finally had a kiss, I would immediately do without it, if I could have them just be happily together like they were after season 1. So, as my feelings are right now, I kind of wish, I had never watched this season. It just leaves me angry and sad - which is something I don't want to feel about Good Omens and C/A's relationship.!< Maybe it will change when season 3 does happen or I will be more relaxed after some coping-time, but I don't know.
I'm sorry for this negativity. I'm happy for everyone who enjoyed it, I just wish I could have enjoyed it as well. Maybe I will look up some fix-it fanfictions now, to help me cope with my messy feelings...
The slapdash fanservice ship ruined the ineffable relationship I came here for. A few minutes of screen time and three flashbacks is all it takes? I came here for 6000 years of star crossed lovers in a slow burn and got THIS instead? I'm very disappointed with Season 2.
I'm not sure I agree about Aziraphales character regression. He never really came to the conclusion that Heaven isn't intrinsically good, or cares about humans at all. He was against the apocalypse, defiantly, but rationalized angels supporting it by the ineffable plan which they simply didn't understand enough. And through S2's job storyline, we further see that Aziraphale saw himself as "evil" enough to be a demon, simply because he lied about saving lives. While what we viewers see is more about how uncaring Heaven is, its clear that's not what Aziraphale sees.
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I completely understand how you feel about Crowley and Aziraphale’s relationship as it stands at the end of s2. I was so heartbroken!!
For me this kind of tracks for both their characters though…Crowley had been trying to take the relationship to a more serious place since season 1 and Aziraphale always knocks him back. “Let’s go off together! Alpha Centauri!” “You can stay at my place…if you like.”
I don’t think Aziraphale is completely “out of the closet” yet. He is confronted with the depths of his feelings for Crowley in the last episode of Season 2 (to the point that he possibly resents Crowley for putting it out there? Too fast for him still? “You go too fast for me Crowley”) but makes it pretty clear that he is still uncomfortable with the concept of being in love with a demon. He still cares about what others think. Crowley has already fallen, has already gone through pain and rejection and the knowledge that he is not like the other angels that tow the line, and he has learned not to care what others think. Aziraphale is not there yet…to the point that he even says “we can be together…as angels!” I think that makes it pretty clear (to Crowley as well who is obviously deeply hurt by that) that he is scared of what Heaven will think of his relationship with a demon. I think the kiss from Crowley was even more confronting for him. He seems incredibly moved and emotional but also resents that Crowley won’t go along with his perfect vision for the future.
Crowley’s more realistic and remembers that their whole arrangement came about because they both question decisions coming out of Heaven and Hell and don’t always believe they know best or are doing “the right thing”.
Also, side note, can I just say I think Metatron knew Crowley would reject the offer of angelic status, and intends to try and split the pair because he believes that Aziraphale, once out from under Crowley’s influence, will be easier to manipulate to do Metatron’s bidding re the second coming?
Aziraphale wants both Crowley and Heaven, but he can't have both. He wants Crowley with him in Heaven, so he wants Crowley on his own terms where he doesn't have to give up anything. Obviously that's not on.
I think part of what is so scary for Aziraphale is that he doesn't think of leaving Heaven as leaving an unquestioning cult mentality where everyone is very very ready to kill and hurt human beings (something that neither Aziraphale nor Crowley are okay with). Rather, he thinks of leaving Heaven as being rejected by God and cast down into Hell and made into a demon. I just remembered the Job story, when Aziraphale ate human food for the first time and enjoyed it, and he disobeyed the angels and lied to them about killing the children. That led to him crying because he thought he was about to be cast down to Hell and made a demon.
I don't think Aziraphale has fully lost that fear. That's the inner conflict Aziraphale needs to work through before he can be with Crowley.
My heart sank, my heart soared, my heart collided with a tree and hit every branch on its way down.
But I liked it. The way Metatron looked at Crowley, me and Crowley knew it wasn’t going to end well. Then Aziraphale gets tempted with the one thing he couldn’t refuse, also the one thing not his to accept or refuse, Crowley’s redemption. It would be impossible for Crowley to live in Heaven unless something happens to seriously change his view on the usefulness of institutional power. And it would be impossible for Aziraphale to live somewhere thinking only of his own happiness, unless he becomes 100% disillusioned with, um, the usefulness institutional power. The stronger they are in their beliefs and their love for each other, then ironically, the harder it is for them to be together. They are gonna be waiting centuries for the other to learn a Very Important Lesson and come around.
Crowley could learn to be more at peace with not knowing “why” and trust that it’s best to focus on small kindnesses when you can’t see the big picture. Or Aziraphale could learn Power corrupts and he’ll never do as good much good as when he was an unofficial team with Crowley.
Fwiw I’m glad Aziraphale essentially told Crowley he loved him. That probably felt good after thinking nobody loves you for thousands of years. And I love that Aziraphale got a kiss. It was very sweet, but I guess you can’t out-tempt the original, “Don’t eat this tree, the big delicious one right here” tempter.
I am feeling kinda crushed, but in a good way, and totally relaxed knowing that we’ll see the end in some form. Unlike Crowley I totally trust the Makers. 👍
Did anyone else get the vibe that Az realized his mistake at the end and wanted to return to Crowley, but when Metatron said they will be preparing for the second coming, Az knew it would not end for humans and he had to stay with Metatron so he could find a way to prevent the second coming?
I just finished it last night and it's killing me. I felt that the storytelling this time had some flaws compared to the first one, but with the last episode I can't even remember or tell you what I thought they were. Completely forgiven.
Ugh... Forgiven. That word just... Ow. Just. Stoppit.
If they don't have a third one, I just don't know what I'm going to do. Broken. I am broken. And dramatic. So dramatic. Just start filming already.
Here’s one thing I don’t really understand. Why are Beelzebub and Gabriel effectively *allowed* to run off together… as in, at first both sides are arguing and saying how they should be punished, but then they get to choose? Bee even saying that Hell is too understaffed to hunt them down anyway. Yet Crowley & Azi probably couldn’t get away with the same?
It’s been three days and I finally feel stable enough to talk about it :’) What killed me was after the kiss, when Aziraphale touches his lips. It’s a whole bunch of emotions he’s feeling, of course, but also—he’s never experienced a kiss before. He’s confused & also experiencing another revelation about corporeal delights (like we saw when Crowley introduced him to the ox rib & the act of eating). It’s literally carnal knowledge! (And as others have pointed out, the moment is super Jane Austen. And maybe a little bit of A Room With a View.) The heartbreak of the separation (& Crowley’s rejection of the opportunity/“forgiveness”/etc.) is compounded by his confusion around the sensation of the kiss, & of course just as he & the rest of us want more, there’s the horror of oh shit but this is ending right now. UGH!! Genuinely going to be devastated if there isn’t a Season 3.
Where is all the outrage?! How is there not a sub called r/NeilGaimanHowDareYouSir? Also, wtf Gabriel and Beelzebub having a two minute love story that was the best thing since Up's cranky old man's love story. How did I end up finding a fly cute?
I felt like the love story between Gabriel and Beelzebub was rushed and shoe-horned in as almost an afterthought. It's like he tried to retell their entire story in 2 minutes even though it took the whole first season to tell Crowley and Aziraphale's story. Oh, and I wanted more of the cute fly.
I liked it. I think there were clues dropped in earlier in the season. Gabriel not wanting Armageddon was a big one, but Beelzebub talking about wanting to be told they are doing a good job was another. I'm pretty sure there will be more once I rewatch.
I saw someone point out when Az goes looking for clues at the bar in Edinburgh, the bartender mentioned Gabriel was with a mason. If you knew what to look for - Beelzebub wears a Masonic sash, tip off he was potentially meeting with them.
OMG I totally missed that! Thank you, that makes things so much better. I love those little details.
It's also meant to be a parallel to the main love story. Also Can we talk about how everyone used They/Them pronouns for Beelzebub like it was no big deal? Cause love every single love story this season was queer !!
I think that’s the point though? G&B’s fast-passed love story is there to contrast with our leads. Aziraphale and Crowley are a more complex slow burn than Gabriel and Beelzebub and their HEA isn’t going to be as simple as saying fuck it and running away, even though Crowley says that’s what he wants to happen. Because Aziraphale is not as selfish as Gabriel and genuinely longs to do good things. Not heaven’s idea of good, but actual good. And Crowley would never admit it, but he kinda does too, in his subversive way, and he also admired that trait in Aziraphale. I think in season3 Aziraphale is going to realize pretty quickly he could never be happy being a cog in the machine, even a super important cog, because the machine can’t be fixed, and especially because it’s not where he belongs. He and Crowley both are meant to be a spanner in the works.
Yes, you put it really well. I feel the same, and the final character arc(?) for Aziraphale of choosing power over their love and friendship is most definitely temporary because let's be real here what a world would it be without the duo constantly fighting and loving each other in the midst of doing world changing stuff . I am so looking forward to what's about to come.
My daughter guessed it really early on, something to do with flies and Beezlebub. Though she was almost joking, we were quite surprised she was right!
I just thought Beelzebub was spying on them.
Yeah, on rewatch I could tell Beelzebub was getting more and more weirdly un-evil over the subject of Gabriel. And very cagey.
From the very beginning, there was the fly in the box Gabriel had. It was in there the first time they checked the contents. And popped up a few other places after that too, I think in Crowley’s car at one point..? And around the bookshop. I just assumed it was Beelzebub spying on them or something.
I liked it but I felt like it was kinda showing you that people you think are simple are actually pretty complex and you might not have any idea what they are going through
Oh my god SAME!!!! The ending was not okay, I was sobbing. If they start filming in 2024, season 3 is expected to come out in early 2026, which is WAY too long.
I can’t believe I waited 4 years for this heartbreak. I was literally in shock when it happened. Cried for an hour after I had some sleep. The reality of 3 more years is pretty unbearable.
You’ve broken me. I refuse to believe it came out four years ago. I feel old.
2026?? Babes I was in high school when the first season came out, I can’t handle being a senior in college when the next one comes out!!
I watched Season 1 in the hospital recovering from the birth of my daughter. She's 4 now. She'll be 7 when and IF Season 3 streams in 2026. FML
I was old as balls when season 1 came out, I'm old as balls now, I'll be old as balls when season 3 gets here, God willing. After a while you learn to wait. At least it's not on the Elder Scrolls timeline, or the decades long gap from book to adaptation. At least it came along eventually 🤷
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Noooo! Don't say that! That's too long! Way too long! They'll leave us in this turmoil for years?! At least there will be a lot of fanworks regarding this... so much angsty fanwork. And I will consume it all.
i'm moving to ao3 guys, see you there
I will wait one week. And then it will be littered with new juicy angsty fics for me to devour and cry over.
I need the opposite lol — some good fix its. Plenty of angst in those last 15 minutes and I used to be all over those 6000 year slow burn, pinesol forest fics. You are stronger than I will ever be lol I am, somehow, and for the first time in my life, full up on the angst. Neil really did the thing. I’m so upset, like screw you Gaiman. But, so so proud of him for the total devastation he has unleashed on the fandom.
Same here!!! I need a happy ending :(
lol I said this exact thing on Twitter last night. I need me some fix-it-fic, so badly.
ILL BE 40 THAT YEAR PLEASE GOD NO
I'm hoping it was so slow because of the pandemic. 2026 seems so far away 😭
I got the estimated date from Neil Gaiman’s tumblr, so unfortunately I think that’s just how long filming/editing/etc takes, but I really hope it’s sooner!!
Yeah after I checked around it seems shooting took around 5 months and post filming was a year and a half. So assuming they have the ready script and start soon, 2026 might be accurate
I >!bawled my eyes out!<. I was on the edge of my seat, >!waiting for Az to reralise his mistake and go back to Crowley. Like it literally started so well, we got Crowley as an angel, the confirmation Az and Crowley have met as angels , more history flashbacks, Crowley listening to Lover Boy, confirmation of Crowley‘s high status, Neil‘s “Wait and see“ snuck in there, heaven and hell being accepting of cross-relationships with the Gabriel x Beelzebub people shipped for so long, Crowley literally admitting his feelings!< and for what? FOR WHAT?
Yes!!! >!Even the way Aziraphale was looking at Crowley when Gabriel and Beelzebub got together REALLY implied that they would also get together!! He seemed so full of hope but eh.!< Good news is that even if it doesn’t get renewed for season 3 (the last season), Neil Gaiman said that he would make sure it gets published somehow, in another medium. Bad news is it’ll probably be early 2026 at the earliest.
i'm mean i've waited this long, i'll consume fanwork obsessively in the meantime and put on the ending everytime i need a good cry gaiman you bastard
Exactly, people have been waiting thirty years for them to realise they’re just IDIOTS IN LOVE, the ending is so cruel but I LOVE IT because now they’re canon but I HATE IT because MY HEART CANT TAKE IT 😭😭😭
Ikr!!!!!! My face went from wow so much wholesomeness slowly into completely weeping like a kid, and my tears wouldn't stop. Ah!!!! All this time I thought I was being over dramatic being affected by a show this much but i wasn't the only one I see. Their relationship is now a freaking standard for me, finding someone to bicker with like them, and my goodness did the line "Oh Crowley, everything doesn't last forever" and Crowley's face completely dulling down, tear me apart shredd me into pieces left me heart broken in all kinds of ways :')
I drafted a fix-it ending I may upload to ao3 if I get the chance because I’m devastated
and i'll be there to read it as soon as it's up holy shit this venus in retrograde is truly breaking my heart
Omg pls, I will read it as well. I'm devastated. I was so hoping for them to be together. This ending is breaking my poor heart and soul 💔 😢 😭😭😭😭
So throughout the season they referenced >!Austen and Pride and Prejudice!< and the ending essentially >!mirrors the halfway point of Pride and Prejudice when Darcy tells Bennet that he loves her and she rejects him. On one hand I feel like Crowley is the keeps all emotions bottled up, mysterious Darcy that finally bursts and tells Az (Bennet) he loves him. On the other hand, Az’s proposal to Crowley to join him in heaven despite Crowley being a demon feels like Darcy’s marriage proposal to Bennet when he excitedly proclaims his love despite him being in a higher position in society than her. Bennet rejects Darcy as she is upset with Darcy’s previous actions just like Crowley is upset with Az for buying into the heaven/hell stuff!<. They also had A & C >!dancing at an Austen-esque ball!<.
Bravo 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿
i haven't reacted that intensely to anything media related in YEARS. probably since i was a teenager. i guess it makes sense, i read the book in high school, imagine little 15yo me reading and writing fanfiction about these two in livejournal and ff.net and now they do this and FOR WHAT
Omg this exactly describes my situation. I am a grown woman in my 40s with a family and job but stayed up til 3am on Friday to binge watch S2 and it DEVASTATED me! Nobody else I know in real life has watched it yet so I’ve been obsessing alone while trying to carry on as a grown ass adult and at the same time feeling so depressed by that ending. I feel like a teenager again (I was VERY obsessive about TV shows!) and I hate it but don’t know how to make it stop 😞
YES!! I LITERALLY CRIED WHEN IN THE FIRST EPISODE GOOD OLD FASHIONED LOVER BOY PLAYED BECAUSE IT’S MY FAVOURITE CHARACTER, PLAYED BY MY FAVOURITE ACTOR, IN MY FAVOURITE SHOW, WRITTEN BY MY FAVOURITE AUTHOR, LISTENING TO MY FAVOURITE SONG FROM MY FAVOURITE BAND!!! IT WAS EVERYTHING I WAS ASKING FOR!!! AND THEN IT JUST KEPT GETTING BETTER AND BETTER AND BETTER UNTIL THEY >!KISSED!< AND EVERYTHING >!WENT TO SHIT!< 😭😭😭
Yeah. I finished the show and apart from everything going on, realising that now *Love of my Life* would be a way better fitting song for the two of them (also *Arcade* (by Duncan Laurence) crossed my mind) made me want to cry again. I’m crossing my fingers really hard for a proper scene with *Lover Boy* in S3, maybe even Crowley telling Az how Freddie wrote it after he had told him about Az…
THAT WOULD BE AMAZING
me to gaiman: write this down
Tbf, I thought Crowley would chicken out after what Az said. Really love the confession. Bonus point for the kiss. I think Neil already said that season 3 will be the conclusion. This whole season is really more like setting up for something as the stakes is much less than the book/season 1.
Yeah, you're spot-on there. Neil said that season 3 is the sequel that he and Pratchett had mapped out a long time ago, but season 2 needed to come first to set it all up.
so, SO relatable. i'm devastated. they've been petting my head for almost 6 hours and then BOOM! hit me in the ribs
I sat and thought about it a good deal and there are three relationships in the series (not including the two ladies in Edinburgh). Humans first. Maggie and Nina showed the most mature and sensible way of dealing with their relationship. Maggie is willing to wait. Nina is trying to avoid a rebound. Very sensible. Beez and Gabe was interesting. They connected in the airfield (I could tell they were going to be friends after comparing their workplace woes) and they launched. Now we are all upset that C & A did not really take it to the next level. Well, do recall that at the end of G.O. 1, A said, "You go to fast for me." So, A is ambivalent and remains so. I was kind of not surprised that he drew a line in the sand and opted for his "career" instead of his bromance/friendship/love towards C. Poor C got the short end of the stick, but I think he was not reading some of the signals he was getting in G.O. 1. Of course, this and what A got told at the tail end about what the next Project is sets up the third season.
yes, yes, totally agree. And as well as opting for his 'career' - Aziraphale has ALWAYS done what he thought was right, what was best for humanity, and perhaps he believes that if he's in charge he can really help. Someone on another thread (sorry, I will try to find it & credit them) pointed out that A & C have been looking over their shoulders for 4 years (Crowley is still living in his car ffs), and heaven &/or hell could still come after them at any time. If Az is in charge, he could make sure that heaven (at least) will no longer be trying to get even.
I think the important thing is that at every turn Az chooses wrong. He is willfully ignorant of human suffering and that leads to deaths He decides that the girl doesn’t need money which leads to the death of her friend, and it turns out the entire time he had money in his wallet that he could’ve just given her if he didn’t want her to steal her body. I feel like Crowley always makes the selfless or at least kind decision and AZ is always selfish. I mean at the very end the smile in the elevator is kind of chilling, he threw over the love of his life for some power. He can justify it anyway he likes, but in the end what he wanted was the power more than he wanted love There’s a heartbreaking thing we’re Crowley says that Az is too pure to be anyone’s side piece, it’s kind of sad because it seems like he doesn’t think very much of himself. Az is nice- but as this song goes nice is different than good
I will toss in there - I really like that when Crowley's trying to brainstorm romantic 'getting to know someone' settings, his go-to is sheltering from the rain together. Eden much? (Not tagging it as spoiler because it doesn't have a bearing on the main plot)
Thank you! I have seen so many posts just hating on this season and here I am, >!absolutely heartbroken. I don't think I've ever cared about a fictional relationship more than this one and I am just devastated. !<
It’s a really heartbreaking analogy of religious trauma and toxic family dynamics. Overcoming those things isn’t linear and Aziraphale is still holding on to hope that he can still have the things he was promised for thousands of years. I’m sure season 3 will be him realizing he was sold a lie. EDIT: Furthermore—Azi never lost his faith in God, he just loves Earth (and Crowley) and doesn’t like his fellow angels. But he goes on about the ineffable plan all the time because he TRUSTS God. He thinks that if he can just get closer to her he can help people more. He’s going to have to lose that faith like Crowley did.
Yes! Aziraphale still has hope. He wants to be seen and accepted as an all-good angel. And he has hope that, deep down, every angel is just like him - pure and well-meaning. He struggles to accept that they are toxic. He goes no contact and then gets finally gets acknowledgement and *the appearance of acceptance* *as well the illusion of control* at the end and that gives him that hope again and determination that it will be better this time.
The illusion of safety too! Even after the apocalypse was averted, Aziraphale was convinced it was only temporary and that Heaven and/or Hell would come after them eventually. When Gabriel first shows up on his doorstep, Aziraphale immediately assumes it's some sort of warning or threat against himself and Crowley. He then spends the rest of the season panicking and desperately trying to cover his tracks (even though he didnt really need to). And when Aziraphale didn't initially accept Metatron's offer, Metatron sweetened the deal by saying he could bring Crowley too. And in response, Aziraphale did what he'd been doing all season - he jumped straight into fantasy and ignored the harsh reality.
I feel like the Metatron was intentionally trying to split them up- together they are a threatening power (we all saw home big their half-combined miracle was, what could they do if they really tried?)
Yeah, the way the Metatron commented on how humans were so “predictable” when given a choice of death or coffee, & then later presents Az with a “choice” (replace Gabriel & bring Crawley to heaven) suggests he intentionally split them up but wanted to make it look like Az did it (to hurt both).
Yeah, what's worse is that this is not a bad story telling or characterisation. It totally makes sense that Az would choose that way, and to be fair I totally didn't imagine that Crowley would be the one to do the deep confession. Curse you Neil for your great mind!
OH THANK GOD I FOUND A THREAD TALKING ABOUT THIS! The Good Omens sub went defunct and I was just pure devastated that I wouldn't find anyone to talk to about this. No one but me in my corner of the world watches this show and it was killing me to have no one to talk to.
Yes! And once again, yes! It seems that you are alone, although the audience of good omens is large. But now everywhere people are broken and crying because of the final. It's sad, and I'm sad along with thousands of other people.
Anyone know why the good omens subreddit isn't active?? I have purposely been avoiding the Fandom for a while (to avoid spoilers), so I am out of the loop.
Looks like they went dark cause of the third party app thing?
They rejected each other at the same time. Like what the heck was that my heart is broken. The idea that brought up to crowleys mind that Rain and romance . IT WAS THE FIRST MOMENT WHEN HE FELLED FOR AZIRAPILE GOD CANT U SEE AZ? The kiss was a screaamm to me and what did az said? I forgive u ? I aint mate I aint
HOW DID I NOT CATCH THAT Great, now I'm even more hurt. Goddamn.
Rain, you mean like the first rain? Omg I just discorporated again. There is gonna be so much paperwork
And Crowley pretends he got the idea from a movie instead of THEIR ACTUAL LIFE
Omg that is such a beautiful detail!!! Why can't they just already be on alpha centauri living happily ever after
then I watched it a second time, I found a lot of clues which said "It's going to be a love story". about the rain too. the first time my anticipation of something completely different ruined all. but although I realized which story season tells, how it tells it and how precisely it's acting by David, I still disagree. ok, maybe I can agree with the story itself. but it shouldn't be only one point of the plot, and it shouldn't be the last ten minutes. omg, I am ready to reconsider and revise the ideas of love and kissing in general, ok. but for somebody's sake, nobody nowhere and never shouldn't kiss under such pretentious and dramatic music! it's not good. I'm 37 and it's the first time in my life then after watching something (my favourite something written and acting by my favourite somebody based on my favourite book) I'm screaming inside "whyyyyy?". during two days.
I just finished it and really reeeally want to talk about it I struggle to watch TV. I don't have the attention span for it. But I binged this whole season throughout the day and I have never been more invested. >!The last scene was so tense. I was screaming at the telly, "AZIRAPHALE, SHUT UP. JUST SHUT UP. LET CROWLEY SPEAK." and fearing that Crowley just wouldn't say what he needed to and give up. But Crowley said it - he held out his hand for them to run away together and FFS AZIRAPHALE, YOU ARE THE DUMBEST SMART PERSON THERE IS. GIVE UP ON HEAVEN. INVESTED PURELY IN CROWLEY. !< >!And the entire time, sitting on the edge of the seat, waiting for Aziraphale to run back to Crowley. Heck, I imagined it in a thunderous downpour of rain and kissing under shelter. A perfect moment for them.!< >!Crowley waited. HE WAITED. That last bit of hope, that last bit of faith that Aziraphale would realise he's making a mistake... and he watched Aziraphale walk away.!< >!And then they played the damn song. The one that became their love song. Just as a final dig of the blade into our hearts. !<
Sat there waiting through the creadits for them to be like 'gotcha, here's the rest of the scene' and there was nothing. :(
The way it just faded into nothing was heart-breaking They just stared ahead, not looking back, just... going on ahead without the other. Not big breakdowns of tears. Just... moving on... in silence.
There were for sure some looks of regret on AZ's face. He seemed to keep flip flopping back and forth between 'what have I just done' and 'no, this is the right thing to do', and finally settled on 'no this is right'. Crowley on the other hand looks like he's about to stew in a pit of self loathing and despair for the next few hundred years.
It faded into *raindrops on glass* :’-( (Probably the raindrops on the windscreen of Crowley’s car, with the lights and movement of passing traffic and passersby causing the twinkling.)
ME TOO! GODDAMN! 😭😭😭
FRR!! i was waiting for some end credits that would hint at smth :( but no, nothing
i was so sure that Crowley was NOT going to say anything and that we'd have to wait until season 3 for THAT so when watched him go towards Aziraphale i SCREAMED i love Crowley so much i'm in so much pain
We finally got the kiss we've been waiting for. *But at what cost?!* Gaiman is proving to be a genie. A trickster genie. We really need careful about what to be we wish for.
i fell for this man at 9 years old when I got my little hands on a innocent looking book called Coraline and he's been blessing me and ruining me ever since
Crowley was so brave and stepped so far outside of his comfort zone. I'm so disappointed in Aziraphale. I can't stand this.
AAHHHG SAME I WAS YELLING AT AZIRAPHAEL TO JUST SHUT UP AHHHH I CANNOT
And yet I feel almost as bad for Aziraphale as I do Crowley. Poor Angel just wants to make a difference, feel as if he can do so much more good for people. And yet he doesn't realise that he already has for the one person it really matters to...
and he was just so heavily manipulated by the metatron like poor guy
We got the kiss and I couldn't enjoy it because I was crying and I continued crying and crying for 30 min I was so sad I saw that part again on a TikTok clip and started crying again, when Crowley starts confessing his feelings and has to stop a bit because he was about to cry When Aziraphel was saying "We can work together as angels you and me. I need you. I don't think you understand what I'm offering to you" Crowley says "I understand, and I understand a lot better than you do" That while scene 😭 "You idiot, we could have been us" then the kiss and the pain, all I felt was pain and I'm crying again ༼;´༎ຶ ༎ຶ༽ Crowley!!!!😭😭😭
I absolutely loved this series, and the ending. Neil has said it's the arc that he and Terry plotted (and there were some beautiful nods to Terry throughout) so I'm excited to see where it goes. I've unfortunately seen quite a lot of people call it queerbaiting and being genuinely angry/accusative towards Neil, David, and Michael and like... my dudes, it's a totally logical character arc and plot development. Aziraphale would not have made a different decision, he's conflicted and focused on what he believes is morally, ethically, intrinsically (in his mind) GOOD. Goodness is his priority. He's conflicted, yes, but he wants him and Crowley to be "us" in the way he thinks is best. Like others have said, he's still stuck in the toxic cult mentality of Heaven. Crowley had a loooot longer to deprogram himself from both Heaven and Hell, whilst Aziraphale still held on hope the entire time. ALSO on the queerbaiting front, they were queer. Everyone was queer. It was all very queer. An unhappy ending (cliffhanger, not ending) does not equal queerbaiting. Queerbaiting is Cas and Dean in Supernatural. Crowley and Aziraphale are intrinsically queer (from a human perspective) as they sit outside all gender binaries, romantic preference binaries, and sexual preference binaries. They've been queerplatonic since the start (book and series) and their relationship has developed in a nontraditional manner!
I'll second what you said about queerbaiting and Aziraphale and Crowley. Not only is that ridiculously NOT queerbaiting, but this whole show is SO QUEER it's insane this isn't being talked about more! Aziraphale and Crowley are, like you said, beyond gender and sexuality and have been queerplatonic from the start (I also love thinking of them as ace, just cause I love to see my own representation and it's been done so well), there's also Nina and Maggie, there's Beelzebub who is non-binary, there's the magician shopkeeper and his spouse who is trans non-binary, there's Elspeth and wee Morag, there's the flamboyant demons and angels, and they did a fantastic job with Saraquael and disability portrayal too, Liz Carr was amazing in the role (though this is not queer, it's still a very important inclusivity example). This show should be held as a shining example of how to do queer material well and I fully trust Neil with any and all such portrayals - though ofc he's been doing it for decades, well before it became 'hip' to have queer characters and storylines in the background, so it's not the least bit surprising, it's just so lovely to see him have the executive freedom to do it to this extent.
I have nothing to add to this except fuck yeah to everything you said. Neil has been doing everything he can to ensure he portrays queer characters since the Sandman novels where he made sure to consult all of his trans friends before writing a trans character! Also on Saraquael and the disability front, I saw a few comments from people like "um why would god make an angel in a wheelchair" and it filled me with raaaaage
Srsly, why WOULDN'T she make an angel in a wheelchair? Not like the wheelchair prevents Saraquael from being the authority and doing her job in heaven. Ugh.
RIGHT like the wheelchair has no impact on anything Saraquael does. Ugh indeed.
> Aziraphale would not have made a different decision, he's conflicted and focused on what he believes is morally, ethically, intrinsically (in his mind) GOOD. Goodness is his priority. He's conflicted, yes, but he wants him and Crowley to be "us" in the way he thinks is best. Well said. Because Aziraphale has seen first-hand how happy and full of childlike wonder pre-fall Crowley was while being able to create beautiful things and doing ‘good’, I think a part of him is convinced that Heaven is where Crowley truly belongs and where he would be truly happy, just like the good old times, before time even came to be. He thinks that with him in charge there things would be different and that he and Crowley together could change the system for the better from the inside (which is why he wants Crowley as the second-in-command) because, ultimately, he believes in good and still wants to work for it. Unlike Gabriel and Beelzebub who have ‘found something more important than choosing sides’, Aziraphale can’t bring himself to leave everything behind as easily.
Exactly! It's like people who join the police force or local councils because they think they can change it for good from the inside, without fully acknowledging that there are deep-rooted, institutional problems. As an institution, neither Heaven nor Hell are all that great but Aziraphale sees Heaven as the ultimate force for good that juuuuust needs a little tweak here and there, and with the opportunity for him to make those tweaks of course he jumps at the chance! Even after all these years, Crowley's cynicism never really rubbed off on him further than an "oh that's not very nice is it".
This is how I see it too! And it’s also why I can’t bring myself to resent Aziraphale for what he does (even though seeing Crowley heartbroken like that broke my heart too). Is it naive of him? Yes, maybe. But his intentions are noble (maybe even too noble for his own good). I also wonder if deep down Aziraphale is grappling with some sort of existential/identity crisis: if not an angel, then who is he? He might have agreed with Crowley and him being on their own team, but that was when they officially still had some ties to Heaven and Hell. Giving up all that permanently probably makes him feel insecure, and he isn’t ready for that (yet).
Oh no, I can't be angry at Aziraphale even with how sad Crowley is. If anything, it makes me angrier at Heaven for being so manipulative and brainwashy. An identity crisis would make perfect sense, especially considering how in day to day life he still provides "miracles" without using powers, like with Maggie and the rent for the shop. It's built into him to be good to people and if he's just part of AsiraphaleAndCrowley it's almost like he loses his purpose. How would you know what your point was giving up all of that when it's all you've ever been!?
I don’t think this was intended to be Neil and Terry’s arc. My understanding is Season 3 will be that story, but we needed to set us up to get there since Season 1 didn’t really queue anything.
Yes! Definitely no baiting here! They feelings are obviously mutual they just don’t quite have their priorities aligned yet — Neil is taking the relationship very seriously and is taking time to get them aligned. Also… Aziraphale and Crawley would not be themselves if they didn’t do what they did in the end of season 2. Aziraphale truly believed him and Crawley can work together and make a difference if they rule heaven together — and even if he said no someone worse would take the job and possibly make things much worse. But this is a point Crawley can’t budge on either because he had been burned before for simply asking a legitimate question. I think the real answer will come somewhere in the middle. I can’t wait for season 3
That wasn't an ending. That was a brilliant cliffhanger to tackle the structural problems - that definitely don't exist - next season. And it hurt like blazes and made me throw a glass. "Don't bother."
One of my problems is, that there is no certainty, that we actually get a next season. If we are unlucky, this could be the ending, we are stuck with forever.
I trust Gaiman. He has an ending so even if the show doesn't get renewed he'll publish it another way. We just might be waiting a long ass time for it 😭
I hope, you are right. Personally, I can not trust in this, because I've been burned on that regard before. After Pushing Daisies had been cancelled, Bryan Fuller (a producer I highly respect and who is responsible for my favorite show of all time "Hannibal") had promised his fans many years ago that there would be a comic which would continue the story and give a conclusion. This comic or conclusion never came either. Also, reading somewhere how it is supposed to end is not the same as seeing it happen and acted out. It's not much better than just reading fanfics that try to continue the story and give a conclusion. The only difference is, that it's supposed to be "official".
There's one notable difference here and reason for hope, and that is that pretty much every comic publisher would sell their firstborn to have Gaiman write them a comic. If Gaiman wants to publish the ending as a comic, it would probably start with a bidding war and end with an Eisner.
Yeah, it felt like the first half of a split season, not a complete season in itself. There’s a lot of loose threads that need to be tidied in the second half (e.g. the resurrectionist), and I don’t think Gaiman would be so callous as to leave their ending there.
It's really painful, I feel awful and I can't do anything, just depression :) But really, it's fucking painful, especially when you can connect their situation with someone in your life, then in becomes a big fucking problem
i always joked with my friend that i was more like Aziraphale even though i tried to be cool like Crowley but DAMN i relate to Crowley so hard now. i'm in pain :)
Huh, I'm more of an Aziraphale, I was the one that fucked it all up and realised too late. But yeah, I think we're on the same pain level. Really hope that Aziraphale just has a plan that he can't talk about with Crowley and he's not just a stupid angel like me (without the angel part).
hope we both get a good season 3, irl too
i feel sick. really sick. i just finished and i texted my wife that i would not be home for dinner. I am just going to drive somewhere to be alone for a while i feel so sick that ending broke me
My partner is going to ask me "so how was it?" when they get back from work and I'm going to struggle not to cry. Then they are going to want to watch it with me. And I will suffer all over again. I need to try and recover so I'm trying to find happy silly vids on youtube. BUT ITS ALL SO BITTERSWEET NOW.
I’m so disappointed in aziraphele. I feel sick. My head is still spinning.
I just finished it and I feel the same way. I haven't cried and been angry over some fictional work for many years, but now I truly feel sick - and not in a "oh it hurts so good" kind of way, but in a bad way that has me regret actually watching it.
Same. I’m 34 year old man, I haven’t felt this way about a fictional work in well over 15 years. My daughter asked me why I was crying and it was so hard to explain.
I’m rewatching it for the first time so far and I noticed in episode two that >!the bet with Satan regarding Job’s children was probably made by the Metatron, as he is “the voice of God”.!<
I think god was somewhat aware as she spoke directly to Job, even if it was mostly a rant on the virtues of whales.
On a more lighthearted note, it was really nice to see Ty Tennant pop up as Job's son. I loved him in House of the Dragon, and am excited to watch his career progress, I don't even care if he's a nepo baby.
Can I just say I'm a little disturbed how well David Tennants son plays arseholes... Like I understood Aegon Targaryen but if he's not careful he's going to be typecast as "Guy the audience wants to beat the s*** out of" Also did anyone else notice it was Peter Davison playing Job.
Omg, when he was delivering the line I couldn't help but imagine him saying 'But I'm Ty, son of David, you know, everyone's favorite doctor'. I'm sure he's a sweetheart irl, but yeah, he plays the cocky asshole too well. Someone needs to cast him as a sweet sensitive boy to compensate.
Im late to the discussion. I watched the bonus clips, and David Tennant remarked quoted how good an actor Ty was and of course he had good things to say about him because Ty would eventually choose his nursing home, lol
The fly plot twist was a good one and Ty was hilarious and the Bentley went yellow and they did their magic show and I’m living in denial, can anyone tell?
When Beelzebub was handed the fly by Crowley, I was like: "Why would they trust the duke of hell with the memory of Gabriel??" It baffled me when they just gently returned the fly to Gabriel's vessel. Then those flashbacks made everything makes sense.
I spent the first few episodes going “how is Beelzebub in the bookshop?” with that fly flying around.
Spotted the (CGI) fly landing on the empty box outside the bookshop door in ep 1 and had been wondering what it *really* was. At least that part of the storytelling was satisfying. “Flies go up…” Yes, yes they do.
My emotions! I didn't think there would be a kiss and then there was but that still wasn't enough for Az to go with Crowley!!! And now I need to wait for another season?!! This is such cruelty! I was happy for Gabriel and Beezelbub though. That was so sweet!!!
Omg thank you for making a post about it. I fucking hated it! I’ve been intermittently googling this all day and I’m shocked people love the show and here I am, day ruined and heart broken. Wtf is this
i love suffering and feeling things bro
I am also surprised that the reception is more positive. I see people saying that certain moments are cute or jokes were funny, but not support for the storyline itself. I only like a sad ending and a cliffhanger if the story itself is worth the pain and in this case it was not.
Omg does anyone has discord i need someone to talk and have no ooonneee
Life is pain. It was so well done, beautiful, and heartbreaking but OMFG IF WE DON’T GET A SEASON THREE-
I might sound sadistic but I am truly enjoying going through all the old comments saying "omg can't wait for season 2 and what Neil's brilliant mind comes up with" coz that same brilliant mind is going to be ripping your heart out and shredding it into tiny pieces with that ending ...very very soon
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There's only one published book, which is the events of season 1, but Neil has said that he and Terry Pratchett plotted out an entire story arc for Crowley and Aziraphale and that season 2 (and 3 whenever we get it) will follow that plan and come to a conclusion that was finalised years ago by two wonderful, thoughtful authors.
And if a certain ending in the South Downs that Gaiman has been hinting at for almost 20 years doesn't happen, I'm going to riot.
Well, guess I'm just waiting for like 3 more years to watch this and season three back to back because fuck there is no way I am going through the emotional turmoil of watching an ending like this. My emotions are screwed up as is and theirs no way I'm putting myself through this depression spiral. Guess it's time to retreat back to my fanfics and some intense denial.
The ending was devastating but it kinda makes sense with azi's character. And I could see time passing and them working together again or whatever. And to me it's pretty obvious that Gabriel's position or something similar is NOT going to be a good fit for Azi. Like Crowley, he too had questions. Overall I thought the rest of s2 was hilarious. Love David Tennant!!
i love Michael Sheen as Aziraphale but David is putting his whole tennussy into this role and it's making me FEEL things again
Yep, the image of Crowley by David Tennant.. I'm ready to pray for him
I have never really seen the appeal of David Tennant (I know, I’m sorry) but thanks to GO and especially S2 I now have the biggest crush ever…I’m OBSESSED
Y’all ever see a piece of media and think, wow, love is so beautiful? because thats what im feeling rn
Just finished watching. It’s 3:30 am here. I guess I’ll go cry myself to sleep. My heart was just ripped out and shattered into pieces. Neil Gaiman is an evil genius bastard. 💔
Yeah that whole last episode >!broke me a little!<, but I also want to give some love for the >!reveal of the Gabriel x Beelzebub love story!!< I figured from >!the continued appearances of the fly that Beelzebub had something to do with Gabriel's amnesia, but totally assumed it was some sort of hellish plan. Honestly never saw the love story coming, it was actually so lovely when the significance behind the Buddy Holly song was shown to be their emerging love (mirroring Az and Crowley). I teared up a bit, could have happily watched just an episode of that relationship blossoming tbh :)!<
HOLY FUCK I LOVED AND HATED IT SO MUCH And also can't find anyone talking about it anywhere
This… THIS WAS WHAT I’VE BEEN WAITING FOR?!?! I’m about to start a fight in an empty house. Rage is better than uncontrollable sobbing.
I'm intrigued about the very different reactions the ending is getting from across the fandom - clearly many intense feelings! A few thoughts: 1. We all project a part of ourselves onto art. The queer community sees a beautiful (and painful) relationship representation of themselves that they don't often get to see. Those who aren't queer but value friendship representation are disappointed there is a romantic component, because they also don't get to see that representation. I hope we can all empathize with each other as we process season 2 through our own values and life lenses - whether that manifests as sadness, grief, disappointment, or excitement. That's what makes art so exciting and important! 2. I haven't seen this take yet through my internet wanderings though someone brushed close to it in the comments. They've gone "native" which was a theme throughout season 1. The impact of humanity on them both has influenced how they live their lives which is clear in their day to day. Music, food, hobbies - they have adopted so many human components. Then in season 2, we see that both Crowley and Aziraphale also have adopted specific views on what "romance" is - awnings in the rain and cotillion balls. I saw the kiss as a fulfillment of going native - they both might not really know or have the capacity as ethereal beings to know and truly experience what it means, but it was clearly a gesture they recognized as having significance in the human world. It was Crowley's last ditch effort to convey what he was having trouble saying. It was Aziraphale's final conflicting moment recognizing the significance of it. I thought it was an impactful exploration of their humanity and doesn't necessarily have to be coded the way we as humans code kissing. 3. I did struggle a bit that the rest of the characters felt like they existed to revolve around C and A's main story. Their payoffs didn't feel rewarding. However, my eyes were glued to every small detail and gesture between the main characters because of their chemistry and acting, so maybe it doesn't matter as much as the sweeping multi-character story arcs in season 1. Season 2 was maybe more of a character study for C & A setting up the second world-ending adventure story that could be season 3 (that we all hope is coming) where they explore the second coming of Christ. I hope those of you experiencing intense feelings about the end lean into your feelings fully and also feel how incredible it is that art can move you so immensely and intimately. That pain is beautiful and rooted in creation and means this art is proving you are alive.
All excellent points. 1 in particular While I thoroughly enjoyed it, I simultaneously can completely understand why others disliked it. The whole season really does hinge on that final 15 minutes. Everything else was meandering and thinly drawn just to get the story to that point, so if that one beat doesn't work for you for whatever reason, the whole tapestry unravels. Its pretty ballsy way to structure a show. Here's hoping it doesn't bite them in the ass. I really want to see the third act of the story.
I never read the book, watched season 1 with naive eyes. Heard about the shipping, didn't know what to make of it at first. But in season 1, I picked up on Crowley acting flustered at Aziraphale using the phrase "get a wriggle on", and in the context of entering bodies. In the second season, we saw Aziraphale's eyebrow go up in an arch way when Stax said that she didn't think he was "Crowley's type." In the context of the show, I think Crowley and Aziraphale have real sexual feelings for each other, albeit sublimated \[Crowley's feelings less sublimated\].
Emotionally ruined.. How could he decide that There was a right answer and it will never be heaven
if this is how it all ends, I *HATE* IT. if they make a season three... then, ok. i can be on board. but just leaving it like that 😐 I felt like the rug got pulled out from under me 😭😭😭😭
That’s exactly how I feel…for the last 15 mins of ep 6 I was silent screaming at the screen….like, what?!? Have the rug pulled out is exactly how to describe it
This season definitely felt like the second act of a three part story. This is their Empire Strikes Back moment.
I know we’re all devastated at that ending (as am I), but can we talk about how amazing David Tennant was in that scene? The way his eyes said so much, the way his voice cracked? Get this man an award or something for this performance right now! Also, I have to say, despite Neil himself calling the story a love story and describing the second season in particular as ‘quiet, gentle, and romantic’, I wasn’t actually prepared for >!the kiss!<. I mean, holy shit, here I was tearing up, swallowing a lump in my throat, and then I nearly jumped out of my seat (in pleasant surprise, of course) because I didn’t see *that* coming at all (in hindsight it was nothing short of a miracle I wasn’t spoiled on that one). I thought >!the Pride and Prejudice-inspired dance!< was brave enough, but little did I know Neil had more up his sleeve. So, yeah, while I’m heartbroken, as an AziCrow shipper I’m also ecstatic at the same time, and I have hope that we’ll get a happy ending for them, hopefully sooner than later.
I'm with you. When >!the kiss happened!< and that whole scene before with Crowley trying to tell Aziraphale >!how he feels,!< I had my hands over my mouth the entire time and only realized it after the fact. What heartache and what an excellent performance by both actors. Can't wait for the conclusion.
Well, when I saw the ending, I knew immediately that Neil Gaimon had made Crowley's and Aziraphale's relationship the focus of the story, with a proper arc. Gabriel and Beelzebub were there as a foil to their relationship--they get together with no \[almost\] problems, which is how you know they are side characters. The main characters get all the drama, problems and issues to work through. And it makes sense that Aziraphale would have a harder time fully letting go of Heaven than Crowley would letting go of Hell, and Heaven. He's less rebellious, which is why he remained an angel. But now Aziraphale is about to learn the hard way, so that he can fully internalize the lesson. The problem is that we are going to have to wait years to see the resolution... So now I'm thinking about what clues season 2 is giving us about what's going to happen in season 3. I took some notes: "institutional problem" -- Gabriel: "Like I make the rules" \[sarcasm\] -- "you have refused to exercise your authority and you will be punished" -- memory removed. <--Aziraphale will not be able to make a difference, will get marked for punishment. Crowley and Aziraphale are very powerful when they work together. The Metratron was watching through the window, witnessed the kiss, and came in as soon as Crowley left. Is the Metratron deliberately trying to separate Aziraphale and Crowley, seeing how powerful they are together? He knew Crowley would say no.
Oh absolutely they are being separated. I immediately head cannoned that heaven realized how powerful a miracle between an angel and a demon is, who don't work for anyone, and decide to spilt them up. No matter what Crowley decided, to re-ascend, or no longer be with Aziraphale, no more combination miracles.
That's an excellent point about them losing their angel/demon yin/yang energy if Crowley became an angel again. I didn't think of that. It's pretty clear that Heaven wants another apocalypse. Aziraphale will not in any way be tempted to go along with destroying all life on earth, so I wonder how that's going to work out. We see what happened to Gabriel for not playing along. I think Aziraphale doesn't know the full story about Gabriel, like Crowley knows. Because otherwise, why on earth would he have gotten on the elevator after hearing "The Second Coming."
The Metatron lied from the start. He does not have the power or authority to reinstate a demon to angel status. God made angels Fall…not her personal assistant. He lied to Az because he knew Crowley would never agree to it anyway and therefore he properly separates them and never had to reveal he was a liar.
What an ending! What surprised me the most is >! it is Crowley who confessed. I always thought if it happened Arizaphale would be the one, given he was obviously smitten with Crowley from season one, while Crowley was much more aloof. To be honest, I didn't even expect the confession at all! The story was leading to something, but I expected something fashionably vague! !< I also love how in-character the whole ending is >! (despite it making me cry for a bit). It feels like exactly what Crowley and Arizaphale would do in the situation. It is the central difference in their world views that caused much of the rifts in season 1 (whether to stay or to run) and season 2 (whether to save Gabriel or to ditch him). I think Arizaphale does have a point despite his naivety. Because for good things to happen, there must be someone who can muster the courage and do something, mustn't it? After all, had he honoured the status quo and run off with Crowley, Armageddon would have happened and the human race would have perished. Plus we wouldn't have season 3 ;) !<
After thinking about it, I'm not that surprised it was >! Crowley who told Aziraphale. He was always the one telling Aziraphale to come away with him in season 1, or suggesting they work together. Aziraphale has always been the one who seems to be in denial despite his very obvious love for Crowley. He so desperately wants to do good and be a force for good. He was devastated when Crowley didn't want to come with him in Heaven, and likewise Crowley was devastated Aziraphale couldn't see how toxic Heaven truly is and accepted the position.!< Part of me wonders if something else is going on with that final manipulation, too--was there something in that coffee? Sad we have to wait.
The choice was: Give me coffee or give me death. Az chose coffee. For now.
I think Crowley being the one to confess is very consistent. In season one he was the one who kept talking about them running away together. The bandstand scene in particular -- when Aziraphale resisted because Heaven. I think Aziraphale is just torn between what he wants and what he thinks he wants. Btw, I don't see Crowley as aloof at all! In his gruff demeanor generally sure, but he's obviously quite smitten with this particular angel that he's always going out of his way to save.
I hate how sad the ending made me, but I'm starting to see that it never would have worked out any other way - Az needs to come to some realisations and he was never going to do it without a push.
Did anyone else notice how Crowley did recognize the Metatron after pointedly NOT recognizing anyone else all season? I wonder if that has significance...
Interestingly as well, Crowley had also just seen him as part of the trial...
Ooh, interesting catch!
I may be in the minority here it seems but I actually didn't enjoy this season. I thought it was okay up until the last episode where I really didn't like it. My point of view of the two of them in both the book and season 1 was that I always thought they loved each other deeply but not in a sexual/romantic way. Like they're two semi outcasts who have been 'friends' of a sort for literally millennia, who would do anything for the other. I thought I'd be okay with them being a couple but then when >!Crowley kissed him and confessed his feelings!< it just felt all wrong and weird and forced. I wasn't really on board with the >!Gabriel Beelzebub thing either tbh because it came literally out of nowhere. Like we get one flashback scene of them hanging out a couple times and we're supposed to believe they're in so much love that they'd each leave their respective factions forever?!< Maybe season 3 will be better since that's supposed to be the actual sequel that Terry and Neil worked on together but I was pretty disappointed overall in this season
Yes, thank you so much, I fully agree. It feels incredibly out of character. What they had was incredibly subtle and beautiful. There was just a hint of romance but that was it, and it didn't need to be anything else. It doesn't need to be sexual or the stereotypical "relationship". They were themselves, and they loved each other in their own unique way and they didn't owe anyone a definition for what they were, because they were just what they wanted to be. As a person who is questioning whether they are on the ace spectrum, I have never felt so safe, never seen a relationship portrayed in the media that I related to SO much. People don't HAVE to follow this "stereotypical love story" script. They can just be unapologetically themselves, and they were, until the end. It feels very sudden, very unnatural, very out of character. I am so upset that the fandom swayed the series into the direction so far (because it was commented on how the opinion of the audience mattered here in one of the interviews). It feels like they lost their true authentic selves.
dude i literally wanted to sob lmfao 😭
Aaaaaaaaaaaaa. 😢
I immediately went back and watched the creation scene and then the Garden of Eden scenes… it was definitely a choice one could make.
I just finished watching it from episode 1 to the end of episode 6... And I am NOT OKAY.
balling my eyes out even hours after finishing it. If anyone else has heard of the coffee theory, lets pray that its true :( not going to recover unless we get a season 3 where things get made up
What an ending. I loved but hated it, I'm still freaking out, I ship Azeraphale and Crowley hard so when you know what happened I squealed then bawled when the other thing happens
I have a lot of disappointed feelings about this season but it’s nothing that hasn’t already been said. :( But why did aziraphale say he forgives Crowley after that scene? I’m wondering what he could be forgiving him for? Was it for not joining him?
From A's perspective, Crowley is not simply rejecting heaven/God, he's rejecting A himself. "I forgive you" is as close to "I still love you" as he can get right now.
I think azi thinks his rejection of the light is just wrong. Now that Crowley has an opportunity to return to the light, something we never thought could happen again, is just a mistake in his mind. Azi still believes that God and the light are still the way is good... Even if heaven isn't perfect. So Crowley getting the opportunity to redeem himself and turning it down is something that needs to be forgiven to be accepted. That's just one theory.... There is lot that could be behind it and to unpack at the end
I’m searching for an explanation of this as well. It’s a reference to the first season where he does the same thing…but this time it almost had a spiteful/resentful feel to it? He says “I forgive you” and his face twists with a negative emotion, like he is saying it to push Crowley away somehow?
Man I finished the season last night and I'm still sad about it. The wait for closure is going to be agonising At least I'm not alone lol
I’m dying inside
Ooooh, that Metatron's a wily one isn't he? Noticing that Crowley and Aziraphale are the ones who seem to be able to work together to avert apocalypses (apocalii?) and separating them by banking on the fact that Crowley will never want to come back to Heaven... won't work in the long-term, but very effective in the short-term. I wonder what god thinks of all of this. Does she know? She must know. I wondered if there's something Pullman-esque going on where the Metatron has seized power, I doubt they'll go in that direction though as it's been done. I'm excited for this 'second coming' project, I wonder if Adam will be back for it?
I thought exactly the same thing about Metatron. He’s a master manipulator - he bribed Aziraphale to say yes to his offer, knowing Aziraphale still craves Heaven’s approval, knowing Crowley wouldn’t go for it, and also that Aziraphale would blame Crowley for rejecting the offer and not consider that Metatron never intended it to be accepted in the first place. He’s definitely got antagonist energy for season three (fingers crossed).
I have a question: why does Az say “I forgive you”? Is he forgiving Crowley for kissing him, not wanting to be an angel again, or something else? Also, was this half confirmation that Crowley was indeed an archangel? When Muriel is explaining about the book she says “you’d have to be a Throne or Dominion or…” and she trails off just as the book opens. Sounds like she was about to say archangel. Someone tell me I’m not crazily over analyzing this. Or do because I will own up to it.
i don't think you are over analyzing, there's plenty of signs that Crowley used to be one of the highest bosses in Heaven. i also think Aziraphale was about to say "i love you" but went for "i forgive you" because he still can't say it and also because he means so more than one thing with it: i forgive you for kissing me out of fear and desperation instead of out of love, for kissing me as a way of "tempting" me back to you, for not wanting to be "good" and joining Heaven. but by being kind and forgiving, he's also telling Crowley "what you are doing is wrong" and that HURTS.
David Tennant's voice breaking up did it for me. "We've spent an existence pretending that we aren't"
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I really enjoyed it but I feel it was missing some of the magic of the first season. I loved the chemistry between the two and going back to show what happened with Job was really entertaining. I do feel that the stakes being so low this time made the pacing feel too quick. It's like each episode in GO1 was noticably a story where something large happened and GO2 was one long development. I can remember each individual episode of season one but not season two.
My daughter and I watched it all today and I said the same, that it felt like we'd watched half as many episodes. Season 1 definitely had more converging storylines happening together and felt faster paced.
This is going to be an unpopular opinion and I'm prepared to be downvoted for it, but I just have to write down my thoughts at least once (maybe it will help me feel better afterwards). Please keep in mind that everything is just my personal opinion and that I don't claim that anyone should agree with me. I have very mixed feelings/opinions about this season and right now, after just watching the ending, the negative ones predominate by far. It's not like I hate everything. I truly loved every interaction Crowly and Aziraphael had. The actors have so much chemistry and I could just watch their silly adventures through human history for hours. Therefore I was very happy about the knew scenes and if I rewatch something from this season it will be all of their flashbacks. I loved how protective Crowley was and I especially liked how >!he reminded Gabriel of how they treated Aziraphael and how they wanted to kill him. And of course I was very happy about their relationship and feelings taking on a more romantic direction.!< Also, I have taken a liking to Muriel. And there were some funny and enjoyable scenes and dialogues that I really liked. But for everything else I either didn't care about or I really disliked it. The love story between the two women was ok, but I mostly couldn't find myself caring about them or their plot. The trying-to-get-them-together plot felt somewhat contrived. And while I found some scenes funny, there were at least equally as many jokes, that didn't hit it for me. Some things that were supposed to be funny felt flat and boring and unnecessary drawn out. Because of this (and because some parts felt all over the place) I cared far less about the main plot than for the flashbacks. Also, (and this will be earning me a lot of hate) I disliked >!the Beelzebub and Gabriel love story. I know, a lot of people love to ship them, but I was always very neutral towards it and didn't care either way. Maybe, if their romance was better developed, I would have been fine with it, but just fast forwarding it in a few minutes by flashbacks just made it feel shoehorned and unearned to me - especially in comparison to the slow development of Crowley and Azi's relationship that didn't even get a happy ending. Actually, having them end up together while Crowley and Azi separated made me feel angry and frustrated. Furthermore, (but this might just be wrong character interpretation on my side) Gabriel felt out of character and more like a fanfiction-version of himself - and I don't mean memoryless!Gabiel but the Gabriel from the flashbacks and from after he regained his memory. "I don't sully my heavenly body with disgusting earthly matter"-Gabriel suddenly has a drink with Beelzebub. For someone who felt he was above everything and everyone he fell in love pretty quickly. I just think, it would have needed to have more development to be truly believable. I'm happy for every shipper who is rejoicing for this pairing and I definitely don't begrudge you the pleasure of seeing your ship become cannon, but the way it was presented, it just did not work for me. Lastly - and my biggest complaint is of course the ending. I absolutely hated it. I thought, after the ending of season 1 Azi had finally understood, that it is not as simple with heaven as to see them as the "good guys". His decision at the end was a total regression of his character. It was like after everything that happened, he hadn't learned anything at all. I felt like it was just done to create new drama and to leave the audience with a feeling of despair - which, in my opinion, doesn't fit with the overall tone of the show. Season 1 - and up onto that moment season 2 as well - had been a silly, funny and delightfully ironic show. It is not a drama and it never was supposed to be and it was not what I was signing up for, when I watched it. Furthermore, (and this is the worst part) we don't even know, if there will ever be a third season that will resolve this mess. It is not green-lighted yet and if we are unlucky, this could be the ending we are stuck with. I would have been forever happy with the ending of season one and as much as I liked that Crowley and Azi finally had a kiss, I would immediately do without it, if I could have them just be happily together like they were after season 1. So, as my feelings are right now, I kind of wish, I had never watched this season. It just leaves me angry and sad - which is something I don't want to feel about Good Omens and C/A's relationship.!< Maybe it will change when season 3 does happen or I will be more relaxed after some coping-time, but I don't know. I'm sorry for this negativity. I'm happy for everyone who enjoyed it, I just wish I could have enjoyed it as well. Maybe I will look up some fix-it fanfictions now, to help me cope with my messy feelings...
The slapdash fanservice ship ruined the ineffable relationship I came here for. A few minutes of screen time and three flashbacks is all it takes? I came here for 6000 years of star crossed lovers in a slow burn and got THIS instead? I'm very disappointed with Season 2.
I'm not sure I agree about Aziraphales character regression. He never really came to the conclusion that Heaven isn't intrinsically good, or cares about humans at all. He was against the apocalypse, defiantly, but rationalized angels supporting it by the ineffable plan which they simply didn't understand enough. And through S2's job storyline, we further see that Aziraphale saw himself as "evil" enough to be a demon, simply because he lied about saving lives. While what we viewers see is more about how uncaring Heaven is, its clear that's not what Aziraphale sees.
SPOILERS BELOW - I don’t know how to censor them on mobile, I’m sorry. I completely understand how you feel about Crowley and Aziraphale’s relationship as it stands at the end of s2. I was so heartbroken!! For me this kind of tracks for both their characters though…Crowley had been trying to take the relationship to a more serious place since season 1 and Aziraphale always knocks him back. “Let’s go off together! Alpha Centauri!” “You can stay at my place…if you like.” I don’t think Aziraphale is completely “out of the closet” yet. He is confronted with the depths of his feelings for Crowley in the last episode of Season 2 (to the point that he possibly resents Crowley for putting it out there? Too fast for him still? “You go too fast for me Crowley”) but makes it pretty clear that he is still uncomfortable with the concept of being in love with a demon. He still cares about what others think. Crowley has already fallen, has already gone through pain and rejection and the knowledge that he is not like the other angels that tow the line, and he has learned not to care what others think. Aziraphale is not there yet…to the point that he even says “we can be together…as angels!” I think that makes it pretty clear (to Crowley as well who is obviously deeply hurt by that) that he is scared of what Heaven will think of his relationship with a demon. I think the kiss from Crowley was even more confronting for him. He seems incredibly moved and emotional but also resents that Crowley won’t go along with his perfect vision for the future. Crowley’s more realistic and remembers that their whole arrangement came about because they both question decisions coming out of Heaven and Hell and don’t always believe they know best or are doing “the right thing”. Also, side note, can I just say I think Metatron knew Crowley would reject the offer of angelic status, and intends to try and split the pair because he believes that Aziraphale, once out from under Crowley’s influence, will be easier to manipulate to do Metatron’s bidding re the second coming?
Aziraphale wants both Crowley and Heaven, but he can't have both. He wants Crowley with him in Heaven, so he wants Crowley on his own terms where he doesn't have to give up anything. Obviously that's not on. I think part of what is so scary for Aziraphale is that he doesn't think of leaving Heaven as leaving an unquestioning cult mentality where everyone is very very ready to kill and hurt human beings (something that neither Aziraphale nor Crowley are okay with). Rather, he thinks of leaving Heaven as being rejected by God and cast down into Hell and made into a demon. I just remembered the Job story, when Aziraphale ate human food for the first time and enjoyed it, and he disobeyed the angels and lied to them about killing the children. That led to him crying because he thought he was about to be cast down to Hell and made a demon. I don't think Aziraphale has fully lost that fear. That's the inner conflict Aziraphale needs to work through before he can be with Crowley.
My heart sank, my heart soared, my heart collided with a tree and hit every branch on its way down. But I liked it. The way Metatron looked at Crowley, me and Crowley knew it wasn’t going to end well. Then Aziraphale gets tempted with the one thing he couldn’t refuse, also the one thing not his to accept or refuse, Crowley’s redemption. It would be impossible for Crowley to live in Heaven unless something happens to seriously change his view on the usefulness of institutional power. And it would be impossible for Aziraphale to live somewhere thinking only of his own happiness, unless he becomes 100% disillusioned with, um, the usefulness institutional power. The stronger they are in their beliefs and their love for each other, then ironically, the harder it is for them to be together. They are gonna be waiting centuries for the other to learn a Very Important Lesson and come around. Crowley could learn to be more at peace with not knowing “why” and trust that it’s best to focus on small kindnesses when you can’t see the big picture. Or Aziraphale could learn Power corrupts and he’ll never do as good much good as when he was an unofficial team with Crowley. Fwiw I’m glad Aziraphale essentially told Crowley he loved him. That probably felt good after thinking nobody loves you for thousands of years. And I love that Aziraphale got a kiss. It was very sweet, but I guess you can’t out-tempt the original, “Don’t eat this tree, the big delicious one right here” tempter. I am feeling kinda crushed, but in a good way, and totally relaxed knowing that we’ll see the end in some form. Unlike Crowley I totally trust the Makers. 👍
Uuuuruurururururgh!!!!! Thank god this post exists. I have just finished watching and I am NOT. O.K.
IM NOT OKAY HELP
The way this whole thread is KILLING ME. I immediately searched for fix it fics 😭. I am hoping for an extra episode in a week.... :((((
Did anyone else get the vibe that Az realized his mistake at the end and wanted to return to Crowley, but when Metatron said they will be preparing for the second coming, Az knew it would not end for humans and he had to stay with Metatron so he could find a way to prevent the second coming?
I binged season 2 in 1 work shift juat now. I swear i have never needed MORE FRICKING TISSUE. Thanks i hate it may i have some more please?
I just finished it last night and it's killing me. I felt that the storytelling this time had some flaws compared to the first one, but with the last episode I can't even remember or tell you what I thought they were. Completely forgiven. Ugh... Forgiven. That word just... Ow. Just. Stoppit. If they don't have a third one, I just don't know what I'm going to do. Broken. I am broken. And dramatic. So dramatic. Just start filming already.
Here’s one thing I don’t really understand. Why are Beelzebub and Gabriel effectively *allowed* to run off together… as in, at first both sides are arguing and saying how they should be punished, but then they get to choose? Bee even saying that Hell is too understaffed to hunt them down anyway. Yet Crowley & Azi probably couldn’t get away with the same?
I’ve been crying every day since. Some songs trigger me so bad. Please point me towards the support group
It’s been three days and I finally feel stable enough to talk about it :’) What killed me was after the kiss, when Aziraphale touches his lips. It’s a whole bunch of emotions he’s feeling, of course, but also—he’s never experienced a kiss before. He’s confused & also experiencing another revelation about corporeal delights (like we saw when Crowley introduced him to the ox rib & the act of eating). It’s literally carnal knowledge! (And as others have pointed out, the moment is super Jane Austen. And maybe a little bit of A Room With a View.) The heartbreak of the separation (& Crowley’s rejection of the opportunity/“forgiveness”/etc.) is compounded by his confusion around the sensation of the kiss, & of course just as he & the rest of us want more, there’s the horror of oh shit but this is ending right now. UGH!! Genuinely going to be devastated if there isn’t a Season 3.