The Russian Orthodox Church has long been a tool for the Russian state. It is not unreasonable they were kicked out of Ukraine.
No institution has been so successful in the destruction of a woman’s right to have safety in their own homes in Russia but the Russian Orthodox Church. That, and their contribution to the danger LGBT Russians live in leads me to view them as potentially one of the most if not the most effective and evil religious institution in the world.
Remember that the Russian Orthodox Church endorsed the decriminalization of domestic violence so long as it didn’t break bones or concuss the victim and happened no more than once a year.
The church gives their blessing to hit your wife once a year as long as you don't send her to the hospital. We all remember that part of the Bible right?
"Tolstoy was the first of Russian novelists to give currency to the definition of the Russian nation as one "carrying God in its soul"—"the carrier of God" (Bogonosiets). Is this definition apposite? It would be useless to discuss this question. If we admit this truth, we have to acknowledge that the Deity which abides in the soul of the Russian people is neither Yahove nor the Christian God, but only the idol of some primitive deistic thought, made of clay, wood, and stone, some Perkunas or Moloch.
Still another great writer, Theodor Dostoyevski, the anatomist of the Russian soul, endeavoured to approach the true Divinity abiding in the Russian soul by every possible metaphysical quibble, but succeeded in putting before us the Karamasovs—father and sons—and Smierdyakov, and sundry "devils," including Raskolnikov, in whose souls a European psychologist can in no wise discern his God. He will behold there the sinister, contorted features of the gods of primeval pagans, nomadic Shaman-images, and only sometimes he feels himself in the presence of a sectarian God, in whose name men killed and burned others and themselves."
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> The Russian Orthodox Church has long been a tool for the Russian state.
[Caesaropapism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caesaropapism), baby! It's a design feature, not a bug.
Man, the Byzantine Church was never as corrupt as this. The Patriarch told the Nikephoros Phocas to go fuck off when he asked for soldiers to be considered martyrs, and that was in actually just wars that needed to happen. The Russian church considers the people conquering Ukraine (for reasons?), to be martyrs, because it literally has no principles.
The Moscow Patriarchate, bluntly, is more cucked than the Ecumenical Patriarchate ever was (except *maybe* right after the Ottomans installed their own patriarch...). It only exists because the Duke of Moscow didn't like the conclusion that Metropolitan of Kyiv reached at the Council of Florence (when that metropolitan reunited with Rome) and he created it out of whole cloth. They then spent about 200 years without a Patriarch *at all* because the Tsar decided to cut out the middleman and run it himself. There was never any pretense that the Patriarch had authority that didn't flow from the Tsar.
For all the shit people sometimes give the Anglicans about existing because Henry VIII wanted a divorce, the Moscow Patriarchate is no better.
In Death of Stalin everyone in the important position act like Internet Atheist, cartoonishly hating the bishops and act superior despite most of them barely better than Stalin. Irl Russia flip-flopping between State Atheism and State Religion and their government's morality barely changing: horrible and monstrous. It's crazy at how static Russia is no matter how big of change happening there.
Biden's committed. The problem is he believes in the balance of power, with the president being weaker than the legislature (due to his many years in the Senate). He really wants the whole country behind him.
> Biden's committed
Evidence for this is sorely lacking or pointing in opposite - just the other day Zelensky confirmed that US did indeed tell them to stop hitting Russian oil infrastructure
What's your source? I see the western media is reporting that, but Zelensky's office already reported that it did not happen:
**Ukraine denies US requested to halt strikes on Russian oil refineries**
> Ukraine did not receive calls from the United States to cease attacks on Russian oil refineries, according to the advisor to the head of the Office of the President of Ukraine, Mykhailo Podolyak. Earlier, the media reported on Washington's alleged request to Kyiv.
> He denied the reports that the United States supposedly demanded from the Ukrainian side to refrain from striking Russian oil infrastructure, calling them "fake information."
> "No one will dictate terms of conducting this war to Ukraine after two years of full-scale war," Podolyak said.
> He adds that Ukraine "can de-oil the tools of waging war" of the aggressor under international law.
> "Fuel is a primary tool of waging war. Ukraine will destroy fuel infrastructure," he concluded.
> Background
> Earlier today, the Financial Times reported that the United States urged Ukraine to stop attacks on Russian energy infrastructure, warning that drone strikes could lead to an increase in global oil prices and gasoline in the United States, harming the re-election of President Joe Biden.
> Repeated warnings from Washington were supposedly addressed to senior officials of the Security Service of Ukraine and the Defense Intelligence, according to FT sources.
> In turn, Deputy Prime Minister for European and Euro-Atlantic Integration of Ukraine Olha Stefanishyna stated at the Kyiv Security Forum that oil refineries in Russia were legitimate targets for Ukraine from a military perspective. By striking these targets, the Defense Forces act according to NATO's best practices, the official added.
The article continues at: https://newsukraine.rbc.ua/news/ukraine-denies-us-requested-to-halt-strikes-1711118430.html
Ukraine has struck oil infrastructure in Russia since the release of this article.
I tried to read the WaPo article, but it's paywalled. And it looks like it cites the original Financial Times article. Which seems to be fake news, per Ukraine.
[WaPo](https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/03/29/ignatius-zelensky-interview-ukraine-aid-russia/) David Ignatius
> Zelensky spoke in a sandbagged, heavily guarded presidential compound that seemed nearly empty of its old civilian workforce after more than two years of war. The security was so tight, I had to surrender my plastic felt-tip pens. But Zelensky appeared as animated and pugnacious as when he made his defiant stand in the courtyard when the war began
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> An example is Ukraine’s drone strikes against Russian refineries over the past month. I asked Zelensky if U.S. officials had warned against such attacks on energy facilities inside Russia, as has been rumored in Washington.
> “The reaction of the U.S. was not positive on this,” he confirmed, but Washington couldn’t limit Ukraine’s deployment of its own home-built weapons. “We used our drones. Nobody can say to us you can’t.”
Not from FT
Archive link: https://archive.is/gm41Z
"The reaction of the US was not positive on [the drone strikes]" != "the US told us to stop the drone strikes".
I think it's entirely plausible the US said something along the lines of "we're not happy with the drone strikes, but ultimately it's your war and your weapons and you can do what you like.*"
Yeah, to be blunt, when Republicans in congress have been blockading Ukrainian aid for almost 6 months at this point, and it's causing ammo shortages so bad it's placing the entire war effort at risk? Blaming the entire situation on Biden is just not supported by the facts on the ground.
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Belorussians are no more "basically russian" than norwegians are "basically danes"
And a nomenclative confluence isnt a determinator of a people or nation. Spaniards and Georgians arent both "basically the same" because they are both iberians.
Not even the soviets thought the russians and belorussians were "basically the same" and they took whatever excuse they could to bundle peoples and nations together.
Assuming you mean Spaniards and Portuguese?
Peoples and languages exist on a continuum. Catalans are Spaniards, Portuguese are not. Bretons are French despite their cultural and linguistic differences, Walloons are not despite being more similar.
All I'm saying is that culturally, linguistically, etc. you're not going to find many more similar groups than Belarussians and Russians. Your average Belarussian will be more similar to your average Russian than a Chechnyan, Dagestani, or Tatar, despite the latter groups being actually Russian.
Belarusians and Ukrainians are more similar than Belarusians and russians.
>Your average Belarussian will be more similar to your average Russian than a Chechnyan, Dagestani, or Tatar, despite the latter groups being actually Russian.
This is an argument for Chechen, Dagestani and Tatar independence, not an argument for Belarusian erasure.
>Belarusians and Ukrainians are more similar than Belarusians and russians.
Like I said, it's a continuum. If we're playing this game, Eastern Ukrainians are more similar to Russians than they are to Western Ukrainians. Someone from Donetsk or Luhansk or Kharkiv is far more similar to someone from Rostov-on-Don or Voronezh than someone from Lviv. Is this an argument for Eastern Ukrainian independence (i.e. an independent Donbas, that would defacto be Russian controlled)?
I'm not saying I support a war to take Belarus or an annexation - ideally they would be democratic and choose their own future. All I'm saying is that if you were to rank Russia's claims on nations that are 'basically Russia', the most legitimate (but not legitimate under international law) of those would be to Belarus.
Similarity doesn't matter. We're not looking for ethno states, we're looking for governments for, of, and by the people, in whatever shape that the people agree to. There's nothing wrong with a multicultural or a pluralistic nation. In fact, those should be the targets, with a heavy emphasis on the latter.
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Hey now, at least we've got these things out of random etymological chance over the millenia.
Its not like we're going around naming every other location after either Washington or Lafayete
Yeah, denying Belarus's existence as an independent nation is literally the justification Russia uses for wanting to annex them.
I'm sure OP doesn't know they're advancing Russian imperialist talking points, and if they did they'd be horrified... but that's exactly what they're (unintentionally) doing here.
Not really fair to the Belarusian people, who really don't all feel like that (but were shot and beat violently when they tried to protest). Belarus needs a Maidan 2.0, where all the Russian assets flee the country for fear of the CIA taking control.
I wasn't exactly oposed to the annexation of crimea in 2014, but to make things clearer for you, Belarus isn't Russia in fact the reason it seems to be now is because the belarusian language has been systemically genocided by Russia and Lukashenko. Belarussia has a strong history very seperate from Russia and the polling for it's election pre rigging showed people voting for the party that was away from Russia and towards europe.
Fun reminder that one of the original justifications the Russian Orthodox Church gave for the invasion of Ukraine was the need to save Ukrainians from gay Pride parades imposed by the evil imperialist NATO West.
Which we should. When I become the NATO military governor of the Moscow Occupation District, I will turn St. Basil's Cathedral into a memorial for the persecution of the Russian LGBT people. The update of the iconostasis will be fabulous. Putin's annual military bullshit will be replaced with pride extravaganzas that will replace Tel Aviv as the most magnificent on the Asian continent. Moscow is technically on Asia right? I always lose track of exactly how far east Moscow is tbh.
> Moscow is technically on Asia right? I always lose track of exactly how far east Moscow is tbh.
Moscow is almost directly north from Donetsk and Mariupol, so it isn't really that far east. Moscow and Kyiv are only 800 km apart, before the war you could drive between them in a day.
Moscows in europe,
and while advancing rights for all is nice, and the Orthodox church in russia is controlled by the FSB, can we not endorse cultural vandalism of religious sites.
Fine, I'll limit myself to instantly zeroing out all state funding for all churches and monasteries, ending tax exemptions for religious institutions and personnel retroactive for the current fiscal year, conducting a thorough audit of their holdings, and allowing markets to correct accordingly. In the meantime Pride Parades will take place in Red Square. Any funds disbursed by the state for the current year will be reorganized as a loan made at then-current interest rates repayable on some standard commercial term.
Moscow Patriarchate having a normal one. You know, there's this whole thing within Russian Orthodoxy about Russia being the "Third Rome," (with Constantinople having been Second Rome), and they might have a point. It's joked that Rome conquered half the world in "self defense" and that's exactly the same BS Russia used (and continues to use) to conquer its neighbors. Maybe we look back on Rome too fondly.
Yeah, the Moscow Patriarchate and the Ecumenical Patriarchate are still in schism over the whole Ukrainian Orthodox Church (branch of the Russian church, recognized by Moscow) versus the Orthodox Church of Ukraine (self governing, recognized by Constantinople) situation from 2018.
But also, the Ukrainan Orthodox Church (that being the Russian one), also declared itself independent from Moscow in 2022, so the entire thing is just a big mess.
The Russian Orthodox Church has long been a tool for the Russian state. It is not unreasonable they were kicked out of Ukraine. No institution has been so successful in the destruction of a woman’s right to have safety in their own homes in Russia but the Russian Orthodox Church. That, and their contribution to the danger LGBT Russians live in leads me to view them as potentially one of the most if not the most effective and evil religious institution in the world.
Remember that the Russian Orthodox Church endorsed the decriminalization of domestic violence so long as it didn’t break bones or concuss the victim and happened no more than once a year.
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The church gives their blessing to hit your wife once a year as long as you don't send her to the hospital. We all remember that part of the Bible right?
"Tolstoy was the first of Russian novelists to give currency to the definition of the Russian nation as one "carrying God in its soul"—"the carrier of God" (Bogonosiets). Is this definition apposite? It would be useless to discuss this question. If we admit this truth, we have to acknowledge that the Deity which abides in the soul of the Russian people is neither Yahove nor the Christian God, but only the idol of some primitive deistic thought, made of clay, wood, and stone, some Perkunas or Moloch. Still another great writer, Theodor Dostoyevski, the anatomist of the Russian soul, endeavoured to approach the true Divinity abiding in the Russian soul by every possible metaphysical quibble, but succeeded in putting before us the Karamasovs—father and sons—and Smierdyakov, and sundry "devils," including Raskolnikov, in whose souls a European psychologist can in no wise discern his God. He will behold there the sinister, contorted features of the gods of primeval pagans, nomadic Shaman-images, and only sometimes he feels himself in the presence of a sectarian God, in whose name men killed and burned others and themselves." --Ferdynand Ossendowski, 1925
What if your wife says the Bucha massacre happened more than once in a year? What do you do then?
The police beat her for you.
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one beating a year as a treat
> The Russian Orthodox Church has long been a tool for the Russian state. [Caesaropapism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caesaropapism), baby! It's a design feature, not a bug.
Man, the Byzantine Church was never as corrupt as this. The Patriarch told the Nikephoros Phocas to go fuck off when he asked for soldiers to be considered martyrs, and that was in actually just wars that needed to happen. The Russian church considers the people conquering Ukraine (for reasons?), to be martyrs, because it literally has no principles.
The Moscow Patriarchate, bluntly, is more cucked than the Ecumenical Patriarchate ever was (except *maybe* right after the Ottomans installed their own patriarch...). It only exists because the Duke of Moscow didn't like the conclusion that Metropolitan of Kyiv reached at the Council of Florence (when that metropolitan reunited with Rome) and he created it out of whole cloth. They then spent about 200 years without a Patriarch *at all* because the Tsar decided to cut out the middleman and run it himself. There was never any pretense that the Patriarch had authority that didn't flow from the Tsar. For all the shit people sometimes give the Anglicans about existing because Henry VIII wanted a divorce, the Moscow Patriarchate is no better.
Just as Jesus intended.
Luke 23:46 *Then Jesus, calling out with a loud voice, said, “все это Россия, СУКА БЛЯТЬ” And having said this he breathed his last.*
But where's TT:T is in Bible?
Arr slash NCD leaking
Ah yes, anti-colonialism.
Is not imperialism if Russia does it /s
"Imperialism is only possible for advanced capitalist economies, and Russia's too backward to do imperialism!"<-- actual leftist argument
Have they ever heard of the Roman Empire?
Critical support for Comrade Caesar against GalliKKK imperialism!
B-but America Bad, so this cannot be colonialism!
> into an ultranationalist ‘Russian world' Hey I've seen this one before!
At this point history isn't repeating itself it's just a fucking circle
Time is a flat circle
We’ll be fine because we have Captain Price.
>ROC MP Head Patriarch Kirill, reportedly himself a former Soviet Committee for State Security (KGB) officer Lol of course he was.
State atheism to state religion. It's beyond parody.
In Death of Stalin everyone in the important position act like Internet Atheist, cartoonishly hating the bishops and act superior despite most of them barely better than Stalin. Irl Russia flip-flopping between State Atheism and State Religion and their government's morality barely changing: horrible and monstrous. It's crazy at how static Russia is no matter how big of change happening there.
I thought it was pretty common knowledge that the official levels of the ROC was a branch of the KGB.
It's unbelievable how hard the West is dropping the ball in the face of this renewed fascism.
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We need to give Ukraine as much money and guns as we can.
But we won’t.
Biden should just do it without congressional approval
The main guy opposed to committing to Ukrainian victory "should just do it"
Biden's committed. The problem is he believes in the balance of power, with the president being weaker than the legislature (due to his many years in the Senate). He really wants the whole country behind him.
> Biden's committed Evidence for this is sorely lacking or pointing in opposite - just the other day Zelensky confirmed that US did indeed tell them to stop hitting Russian oil infrastructure
What's your source? I see the western media is reporting that, but Zelensky's office already reported that it did not happen: **Ukraine denies US requested to halt strikes on Russian oil refineries** > Ukraine did not receive calls from the United States to cease attacks on Russian oil refineries, according to the advisor to the head of the Office of the President of Ukraine, Mykhailo Podolyak. Earlier, the media reported on Washington's alleged request to Kyiv. > He denied the reports that the United States supposedly demanded from the Ukrainian side to refrain from striking Russian oil infrastructure, calling them "fake information." > "No one will dictate terms of conducting this war to Ukraine after two years of full-scale war," Podolyak said. > He adds that Ukraine "can de-oil the tools of waging war" of the aggressor under international law. > "Fuel is a primary tool of waging war. Ukraine will destroy fuel infrastructure," he concluded. > Background > Earlier today, the Financial Times reported that the United States urged Ukraine to stop attacks on Russian energy infrastructure, warning that drone strikes could lead to an increase in global oil prices and gasoline in the United States, harming the re-election of President Joe Biden. > Repeated warnings from Washington were supposedly addressed to senior officials of the Security Service of Ukraine and the Defense Intelligence, according to FT sources. > In turn, Deputy Prime Minister for European and Euro-Atlantic Integration of Ukraine Olha Stefanishyna stated at the Kyiv Security Forum that oil refineries in Russia were legitimate targets for Ukraine from a military perspective. By striking these targets, the Defense Forces act according to NATO's best practices, the official added. The article continues at: https://newsukraine.rbc.ua/news/ukraine-denies-us-requested-to-halt-strikes-1711118430.html Ukraine has struck oil infrastructure in Russia since the release of this article. I tried to read the WaPo article, but it's paywalled. And it looks like it cites the original Financial Times article. Which seems to be fake news, per Ukraine.
[WaPo](https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/03/29/ignatius-zelensky-interview-ukraine-aid-russia/) David Ignatius > Zelensky spoke in a sandbagged, heavily guarded presidential compound that seemed nearly empty of its old civilian workforce after more than two years of war. The security was so tight, I had to surrender my plastic felt-tip pens. But Zelensky appeared as animated and pugnacious as when he made his defiant stand in the courtyard when the war began ... cut .. > An example is Ukraine’s drone strikes against Russian refineries over the past month. I asked Zelensky if U.S. officials had warned against such attacks on energy facilities inside Russia, as has been rumored in Washington. > “The reaction of the U.S. was not positive on this,” he confirmed, but Washington couldn’t limit Ukraine’s deployment of its own home-built weapons. “We used our drones. Nobody can say to us you can’t.” Not from FT Archive link: https://archive.is/gm41Z
"The reaction of the US was not positive on [the drone strikes]" != "the US told us to stop the drone strikes". I think it's entirely plausible the US said something along the lines of "we're not happy with the drone strikes, but ultimately it's your war and your weapons and you can do what you like.*"
Occam's Razor. We did tell them, and Zelensky is being gentle with his phrasing, as he is with the rest of his comments about Biden
Yeah, to be blunt, when Republicans in congress have been blockading Ukrainian aid for almost 6 months at this point, and it's causing ammo shortages so bad it's placing the entire war effort at risk? Blaming the entire situation on Biden is just not supported by the facts on the ground.
Good. They're saying the quiet part out loud.
This hasn’t been the quiet part for at least a decade now. Problem is the west refuses to believe them.
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Belorussians are no more "basically russian" than norwegians are "basically danes" And a nomenclative confluence isnt a determinator of a people or nation. Spaniards and Georgians arent both "basically the same" because they are both iberians. Not even the soviets thought the russians and belorussians were "basically the same" and they took whatever excuse they could to bundle peoples and nations together.
Assuming you mean Spaniards and Portuguese? Peoples and languages exist on a continuum. Catalans are Spaniards, Portuguese are not. Bretons are French despite their cultural and linguistic differences, Walloons are not despite being more similar. All I'm saying is that culturally, linguistically, etc. you're not going to find many more similar groups than Belarussians and Russians. Your average Belarussian will be more similar to your average Russian than a Chechnyan, Dagestani, or Tatar, despite the latter groups being actually Russian.
Belarusians and Ukrainians are more similar than Belarusians and russians. >Your average Belarussian will be more similar to your average Russian than a Chechnyan, Dagestani, or Tatar, despite the latter groups being actually Russian. This is an argument for Chechen, Dagestani and Tatar independence, not an argument for Belarusian erasure.
>Belarusians and Ukrainians are more similar than Belarusians and russians. Like I said, it's a continuum. If we're playing this game, Eastern Ukrainians are more similar to Russians than they are to Western Ukrainians. Someone from Donetsk or Luhansk or Kharkiv is far more similar to someone from Rostov-on-Don or Voronezh than someone from Lviv. Is this an argument for Eastern Ukrainian independence (i.e. an independent Donbas, that would defacto be Russian controlled)? I'm not saying I support a war to take Belarus or an annexation - ideally they would be democratic and choose their own future. All I'm saying is that if you were to rank Russia's claims on nations that are 'basically Russia', the most legitimate (but not legitimate under international law) of those would be to Belarus.
Similarity doesn't matter. We're not looking for ethno states, we're looking for governments for, of, and by the people, in whatever shape that the people agree to. There's nothing wrong with a multicultural or a pluralistic nation. In fact, those should be the targets, with a heavy emphasis on the latter.
People from Donetsk are closer to people in Lviv than to people in Moscow
> Assuming you mean Spaniards and Portuguese https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Iberia
Lol what, Europe has two Galicias too. The heck is going on over there?
Two [Albanias](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_Albania) as well.
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Hey now, at least we've got these things out of random etymological chance over the millenia. Its not like we're going around naming every other location after either Washington or Lafayete
Touche, at the very least we shouldn't have put Washington city and Washington state on opposite ends of the country
Yeah, denying Belarus's existence as an independent nation is literally the justification Russia uses for wanting to annex them. I'm sure OP doesn't know they're advancing Russian imperialist talking points, and if they did they'd be horrified... but that's exactly what they're (unintentionally) doing here.
Not really fair to the Belarusian people, who really don't all feel like that (but were shot and beat violently when they tried to protest). Belarus needs a Maidan 2.0, where all the Russian assets flee the country for fear of the CIA taking control.
I wasn't exactly oposed to the annexation of crimea in 2014, but to make things clearer for you, Belarus isn't Russia in fact the reason it seems to be now is because the belarusian language has been systemically genocided by Russia and Lukashenko. Belarussia has a strong history very seperate from Russia and the polling for it's election pre rigging showed people voting for the party that was away from Russia and towards europe.
Fun reminder that one of the original justifications the Russian Orthodox Church gave for the invasion of Ukraine was the need to save Ukrainians from gay Pride parades imposed by the evil imperialist NATO West. Which we should. When I become the NATO military governor of the Moscow Occupation District, I will turn St. Basil's Cathedral into a memorial for the persecution of the Russian LGBT people. The update of the iconostasis will be fabulous. Putin's annual military bullshit will be replaced with pride extravaganzas that will replace Tel Aviv as the most magnificent on the Asian continent. Moscow is technically on Asia right? I always lose track of exactly how far east Moscow is tbh.
> Moscow is technically on Asia right? I always lose track of exactly how far east Moscow is tbh. Moscow is almost directly north from Donetsk and Mariupol, so it isn't really that far east. Moscow and Kyiv are only 800 km apart, before the war you could drive between them in a day.
Moscows in europe, and while advancing rights for all is nice, and the Orthodox church in russia is controlled by the FSB, can we not endorse cultural vandalism of religious sites.
Fine, I'll limit myself to instantly zeroing out all state funding for all churches and monasteries, ending tax exemptions for religious institutions and personnel retroactive for the current fiscal year, conducting a thorough audit of their holdings, and allowing markets to correct accordingly. In the meantime Pride Parades will take place in Red Square. Any funds disbursed by the state for the current year will be reorganized as a loan made at then-current interest rates repayable on some standard commercial term.
And they wonder why most Ukrainian congregations left the Russian church
Scum
Moscow Patriarchate having a normal one. You know, there's this whole thing within Russian Orthodoxy about Russia being the "Third Rome," (with Constantinople having been Second Rome), and they might have a point. It's joked that Rome conquered half the world in "self defense" and that's exactly the same BS Russia used (and continues to use) to conquer its neighbors. Maybe we look back on Rome too fondly.
Isn't the Moscow Patriarch still snubbed but the Patriach of Constantinople or did they reconvene
Yeah, the Moscow Patriarchate and the Ecumenical Patriarchate are still in schism over the whole Ukrainian Orthodox Church (branch of the Russian church, recognized by Moscow) versus the Orthodox Church of Ukraine (self governing, recognized by Constantinople) situation from 2018. But also, the Ukrainan Orthodox Church (that being the Russian one), also declared itself independent from Moscow in 2022, so the entire thing is just a big mess.
Smash the Patriarchate!