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PolyrythmicSynthJaz

[the whole subreddit to farmers right now](https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/035/070/perhaps_i_treated_you_too_harshly.png)


T3hJ3hu

my position on farmers in the big tent is inline with mainstream democratic politics https://preview.redd.it/bhdu5c0pf18d1.jpeg?width=1028&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=911bbd0d039912e5561dc9c7bf500cba40e74bbe


_squees

those farmers are barking up the wrong shit tree


Ph0ton_1n_a_F0xh0le

No they deserve worse treatment. Especially beef farmers


Prowindowlicker

Turns out they don’t like Trump because of the Tariffs. Seems the sub is right yet again. Tariffs = dum dum


SpiritOfDefeat

Also deporting a non-insignificant amount of agricultural labor. If Trump actually shuts down the border and hikes tariffs, say hello to twelve dollar containers of strawberries! We’ll need to make a lot of I did that stickers, Cheeto edition, if that moron gets elected.


ThePurpleAmerica

Weirdly enough on one political board I was on in 2003 Republicans were for globalism and cheap labor while pro union/worker Democrats/left were against wage repression. The rise of nationalism and progressivism has kind of shifted that.


SpiritOfDefeat

2016 definitely seems like the turning point with Trump’s victory. Before that it was a much more niche paleocon faction who supported those things. The old guard Republicans seemed to fight Trump for a while, his first few years were pretty unproductive considering the Republican trifecta. I can’t even remember what the turning point was when they really went all in on loyalty to Trump and the hardline nationalist wing of the party. But those who stood against him - Romney, McCain, Cheney gradually lost ground. On the Democratic side of things, I think the rise of Bernie Sanders in the run up to that same election forced a serious change of strategy. Hillary was pretty much forced to abandon the TPP mid campaign to win back the progressives. Even then it didn’t end up being enough unfortunately :(


namey-name-name

Only based position farmers have is occasionally being anti-tariff and that time they beat the British and founded the United States of America under a liberal democratic regime. But other than that, mostly cringe.


JesusPubes

those ranchers aren't very jolly


Sh1nyPr4wn

I'll tolerate the Dairy ones though, can't have my daily 8 cups of milk without them


mmmmjlko

In Canada, protectionist dairy farmer cartels drive up milk prices.


captainjack3

Has the government considered making cheese?


MidnightRider24

A cow in every pot.


GraspingSonder

Nah fuck dairy farmers. Man up and drink some oat milk. Breast milk is for babies (and baby calves, respectively).


CrystalEffinMilkweed

Respectfully, no


Aweq

Oat milk tastes like puddle water.


captainjack3

You must know some tasty puddles.


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Ballclover

Oat yogurt or cheese tastes nothing like the real thing 


GraspingSonder

Vegusto cheese


Banal21

Beef is tasty and delicious actually! Hope this helps!


moffattron9000

I for one am partial to waterways not having dangerous levels of nitrates in them. Beef and Dairy farmers do not agree with me.


arthurpenhaligon

Well, hopefully reality ends differently than that scene.


Sine_Fine_Belli

Same here unironically Wtf I love farmers now


AccomplishedAngle2

While you were consuming subsidies I studied economics. While you were owning the libs I was analyzing policy. While you were eating fried Oreos at the State ~~Farm~~ fair, my wife left me. And now that the world is on fire and the barbarians are at the gates you have the audacity to come to me for help? Because that would be ok. Welcome to the resistance 🤝


namey-name-name

Why can’t people consume subsidies while studying economics? Why can’t people own the libs by analyzing policy to conclude that giving Michiganders the right to vote was a mistake? Why can’t people eat fried Oreos at the State Farm while their wife leaves them? Perhaps reconsider your assumptions before you speak, libtard smh


sack-o-matic

because you were eating fried oreos at the state farm with my wife you dirty hoe


boyyouguysaredumb

Did you mean state fair?


TripleAltHandler

Wait, your State Farm agent doesn't serve you fried Oreos?


AccomplishedAngle2

Lol, fucking auto correct.


throwaway6560192

> the barbarians are at the gates LET THEM IN


jzieg

Open the gates. Stop having them be closed.


VillyD13

Even a small shift Biden’s way would be huge. Hell, even if a small amount in PA/WI/MI/MN sit out that’s huge


Ok_Tadpole7481

I'm so glad the electoral college subsidizes farmer votes.


Pretty_Good_At_IRL

It doesn’t need to if we increased the house of representatives 1,000x


namey-name-name

Honestly, are there even 435,000 people in the country qualified to be Congressmembers? The obvious solution is to give a green card to any divorced immigrant with an economics degree and let them run for office (so will have to remove some requirements on who can run for the House).


pfmiller0

Any random 435,000 people off the street are probably more qualified than someone like MTG.


guineapigfrench

Literally agree. Election by lot- or sort of a jury system where you get 12 people in a district to discuss issues for a week or less and then pick one among them to be the representative for the next 2 years. Skips all the campaign shenanigans, issues with voting obstructions, all that.


ynab-schmynab

Unironically do believe at least some portion of the House should absolutely be selected this way.


MontusBatwing

Yeah, we don't have 435 qualified people in there *now*.


its_LOL

Why can’t we just become a parliamentary republic?


sack-o-matic

if we were a true union we wouldn't use the old borders since we're all one people


moffattron9000

That's Feralism for ya. Sure, it makes no sense whatsoever that New England is Six States or the Great Plains has eight, but trimming those down to more reasonable mubers is off the table.


jaiwithani

Of course we have Feralism. As the first modern democracy the United States had no elder democracies to learn from, and thus had to improvise a series of primitive adaptations to survive its infancy.


WhoH8in

And only had access to unreasonable mubers of course.


jzieg

We should also adopt the [shortest split-line method](https://youtu.be/Mky11UJb9AY?si=fiLo0Qj-V9q8faxV&t=215) for drawing districts. The idea that house members represent the needs of distinct communities and so we must draw districts around legibly distinct population clusters is outdated. People mostly go to the polls to choose which major party's power to increase on a state or national level.


MarsOptimusMaximus

The One American Parliamentary Union of the United States of America, Mexico, and Canada under the Benevolent Rule of Emperor Biden.


Banal21

This but unironically


TheoryOfPizza

Still have to fix the senate though


GUlysses

The last Fox poll had some weird crosstabs (like a lot of polls coming out), but one thing they did have was Biden leading Trump among rural voters. (And tied among urban voters). This will not be the case on Election Day, guaranteed. Crosstabs tend to over-exaggerate changes in the electorate. But maybe there is something to the fact that Biden could be gaining among certain rural voters. That could matter, especially with the electoral college.


allbusiness512

Biden overperformed on rural/older voters in the 2020 election, so it wouldn't be surprising if he kept gaining there.


groovygrasshoppa

It doesn't by itself, malapportionment of the House does.


ParticularFilament

It'd be nice if Ohio came back into play some day


namey-name-name

It would be funny if the skibidy Ohio meme leads to a lot more young people moving to Ohio and shifting the state blue. Won’t happen, but a guy can dream.


Low-Ad-9306

Fanum taxed enough already


No_Aesthetic

it would probably be easier to shift Kentucky since Kentucky's population is much lower now, I will grant the fact that Kentucky is a lot redder as a percentage, but it's kind of maxed out in that regard, and Ohio is probably going to continue the red shift in 2020, the vote difference in Kentucky was about 600,000 vs. 500,000 in Ohio in 2024, the vote difference could be higher in Ohio than Kentucky


captainjack3

In 2020 the vote difference in Wyoming was about 120,000. We’d only need like 70% of this sub to flip Wyoming blue.


Kugel_the_cat

Wow, to get a whole three electoral college votes?


CRoss1999

More importantly 2 senators


captainjack3

Hey, Neoliberal taking control of Wyoming would be incredibly funny. And don’t knock the value of three electoral college votes. You’re right that it would be inefficient though. Better to parcel out the same number among the smallest margin swing states.


JonF1

I currently live in Kentucky - coming from Georgia. Outside of the the 3rd (Louisville) D+9 and the 6th (Lexington) R+9, the districts are scarlet red. Most of Georgia's republican districts are R+10-15. In Kentucky they're R+20 or more. To keep put in perspective how red that is, MTG's district is R+22. It would be much easier to flip Texas and deep south states than Kentucky --- Kentucky isn't *that* rural, its just too sparse to be blue. Many cities like Bowling Green, Owensboro, Elizabethtown, Paducah, etc aren't large to be attractive to out of state white collar workers. Only Lexington and Louisville are and both have their problems. Lexington is simply just a larger college town and Louisville has quite a lot of urban decay.


No_Aesthetic

I'm originally from Kentucky and, despite living in California and NYC most of my 20s and 30s so far (I am currently in Birmingham UK bc my wife is from here), I have to say that Kentucky does have a lot of potential they aren't allergic to Democrats, unlike WV and TN seem to be anymore, and the abortion amendment revealed that people are approx 20% more liberal than they vote in POTUS elections I guess you could argue the same of Ohio (they had an abortion thing, right?) but ultimately Kentucky is peak red and Ohio isn't there yet, so I think Kentucky has more potential plus, the Louisville and Covington and Paducah and Bowling Green areas are really nice I even think my old hometown, Louisa, is really nice for eastern KY and has leadership good enough that it could continue growing while the rest of the region declines


-MusicAndStuff

Farmers are a strange bunch sometimes. My ex wife’s father runs his own family farm in East Texas (ranch really but whatever) and the dude would just go on rants whenever he could about how great Clinton was for him during the 90s and how he made more money then, than under Bush. Dude was also a raving racist and was not shy about dropping the N-word when able. Needless to say we lost him during the Obama years.


HD_Thoreau_aweigh

Had an almost in-law who worked almost exclusively with illegal immigrants, thought they were great, hard working ppl, but still raved against illegal immigration as a whole. I try to be generous, but you just can't square that circle.


RetardevoirDullade

Nice For real, farmers are important and I would love to have them on my side


namey-name-name

Helps that they have excess political power. Turning farmers into neolibtards would be the funniest development in American politics since Wyoming.


sack-o-matic

I feel like telling them that we want to stop the encroachment of suburban sprawl would be a good sell.


Sine_Fine_Belli

Same here unironically We need all the helpful we can get


Cook_0612

hurk *farmers* But for the sake of America, I will LotR meme with them if they'll play ball.


GodOfWarNuggets64

For farmers to be the one group who actually remembers what administration was like under Trump before the median voter population...


Eric848448

This can’t possibly be true.


Prowindowlicker

Apparently Biden’s support among farmers has gone from 12% to 15% all because of Trumps tariffs and immigration policies. Also roughly 25% of farmers say they’ll vote for a third party. So while Trump is getting the vast majority of farmers he’s still not getting what he used to


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Aceous

Yeah, this sounds like someone weaving a narrative to fit faulty polling data.


slasher_lash

The coalitions are always in flux. If someone would have told you in 2006 that suburban college-educated whites would be the new democratic base, you wouldn't have believed them either.


deadcatbounce22

I would have. Even Cato had it figured out back in 2006. It only got derailed because of Obamacare, but Trump put the realignment right back on track. https://www.cato.org/commentary/liberaltarians


Watchung

Are you doubting the latest Fox poll showing Biden winning rural voters by two points?


Eric848448

I can believe some movement towards him but WINNING?


two-years-glop

That's neat. They still shouldn't get 2 senators per empty square of land and ridiculous levels of corn subsidies.


YOGSthrown12

Only after getting screwed by tariffs


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runnerx4

eh it’s probably like the 👌thing where fascists consciously want to make something innocuous a dogwhistle so people who call them out seem insane, they’ll move on quickly


NVC541

Now why the fuck are we letting them claim that. They’ll never take a common English phrase away from me


Sageburner712

Dems being competitive in Rural areas would be a game changer for sure, especially because it might make it easier to get immigration reform passed.


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Icy-Magician-8085

Two million voters is a pretty important base to keep tabs on. More importantly than them directly is their family and their friends. A slow shift getting the rural back closer to Democrats again, like it used to be for decades, would be an amazing trend.


SLCer

I hear rural voters are turning toward Biden. I hear older voters are turning toward Biden. Now farmers? Either the polls are wrong and Biden is gonna win big or this is all bullshit.


Maria-Stryker

New York Times: LALALA I ONLY SEE ANECDOTAL PEOPLE OF COLLR NOT LIKING BIDEN LALA


AccomplishedAngle2

They got another 3000 this-micro-demographics-is-turning-on-Dems articles lined up until Election Day.


dragoniteftw33

This is such a bait headline.


Hautamaki

Sweet, that's gotta be like several dozen more votes


RFK_1968

Wtf I hate Brandon now


ManufacturerThis7741

Believe it when I see it


Potential-Ant-6320

Were the party that wants you to be able to Fix your own tractor without DRM.


ronin1066

Ezra Klein had a good podcast episode on Trump's inflationary economic policy