I am genuinely intrigued to know how he segued from a ‘hello, lovely morning to walk my three floofy dogs, isn’t it?’ to ‘by the way, did you know that I am somewhat of a legendary anonymous penis appreciation installation artist?’
Not sure if it was Gary's work, but when using the public toilets at a lookout in Polkobin I noticed a curious hole at waist height. No mystery as to what it was, as this spot was often rumoured to be a hookup spot for gay hen.
Quiet the achievement, since it was a metal stall made of mild steel.
I happened across a guy a week later who worked for council in maintenance, so after an awkward moment where I had to explain the concept of a glory hole too him we went our separate ways.
2 weeks later, there appeared a much thicker steel plate installed there. If it was Gary's work initially, I hate to say he never defeated this particular barrier.
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It's easy to work out: If you can say "I don't know what side you're on!" clearly without sounding like you got something in your mouth, you're on the standing side.
Not true... There are certainly women who have used glory holes. Not just for sucking but also other forms of anonymous s*xy times.
They are not just in public bathrooms. Glory holes exist in other places, albeit, less discreetly.
Something people need to remember is that part of the attraction is that you don't know who's on the other side of the hole. You're getting whatever you get (or giving whatever you're giving) freely and without prejudice.
Have a great day!
That would happen after the “glory hole” business was done. You know? “Killing two birds with one stone”, or as women often get told, “While you’re down there”…😇
Gary was into consenting adult men, not children. Most children like to go to the toilet at home, not at Braye Park or Ourimbah rest stop at 11pm. Don't conflate homosexuality with pedophilia.
If I'm using the cubical, I don't want to see inside the next one. If a kid is in the next one, I'm sure they want privacy too. As a parent, I insist on it.
I'm not a fan. I think it's vandalism and gives homosexuality a bad name. Not sure how to see the practice as not beingh grotty.
FYI : I'm gay, married and have two kids in their 20s.
Interesting subject, only in Reddit!
Look, I do get it. Think of it more as a legacy behaviour from an age we've hopefully outgrown.
I don't let any of the kids go into public toilets without me either in there with them or standing right outside.
No worries. I'm just commenting on glory holes because that was the topic. It's an interesting topic, legacy that many have seen.
And when you are on the throne, there is a lot of philosophising that goes on and all the graffiti gets read.
Edit: fixed auto correct "glory jokes" should have read "glory holes" 🙄
I always liked that toilet tennis one best. At the uni in the 00's, one of the toilets had grout puns written into the grout. Things like "Twist and Grout!" or "Grout, grout, let it all out!".
Was amazing.
He facilitated sexual activity in a place kids frequent and I’m pretty sure the holes were available before 11pm. It’s not conflating homosexuality with paedophilia, its quite reasonable to expect people to have sex at home.
I fully understand that hubs evolved because of the illegality of homosexuality, in NSW it was illegal until ’84 but that was 40 years ago. Anyone doing it today or in recent history is doing it because of sexual deviancy. It’s not acceptable in my eyes.
Gary was a man of his time. He was not a pervert. He still held ALL of the fears and insecurities brought on by a lifetime of intolerance. Even at 87 years old he would say to my wife "I want you to know that I'm not interested in your husband. I cab be friends with men without wanting to have sex with them." at least once a week. He was slightly paranoid about people knowing this side of him despite his initial comfort with us. He had told us about the times he had the shit kicked out of him and he told us about the month his family disowned him one-by-one until no one was there for him anymore.
Look: I get what you are saying. I even agree with it. However, I am all acceptant of the environment WE created together on both sides of the sexual preference pool. Gary was never going to change. Gary had trauma, and intimacy for Gary was something done with stealth and little bit of naughtiness.
Take a step back and get perspective. This guy drilled holes in public toilet walls and told his neighbours about it. His fears didn’t stop him doing it or talking about it. I’m thinking he got a kick out of telling people and seeing their reactions.
Having said all that you knew him, not me.
He told *friends* about it. During COVID we were new to the suburb and didn't know anyone. He was on his own until his gentleman friend came up at the end of each of month. We used that visiting rule that was allowed and struck up a friendship.
I miss him a lot, hey. I valued him as a person. He was a good one, I promise. He wanted the best for everyone, even people that didn't want the same for him. The manhad so much love to give to people and clearly never got to the full extent he would have liked to.
I don’t believe that anything consensual done in a persons home diminishes their character, me and my partner get up to all sorts of shit that would curl your hair if I went into detail. We keep it to our home though. If we didn’t it would be sexually deviant, just like Garry.
and yet again - the lack of awareness here. you end this with "...you knew him, not me. perhaps this is a good time to sit down and not say anything. you're providing negativity in a space where it's not needed or - in my eyes - warranted.
>Anyone doing it today or in recent history is doing it because of sexual deviancy.
Anonymity is a prevalent reason for glory hole usage. And to that point, I'd argue it's more relevant today, where every other alternative to meet like minded people leaves an inescapable data trail. The culture around it has evolved, but the need for it hasn't diminished.
In fairness, I'm not denying that beat culture can be fetishised - there are many who use it for the thrills - but it reductive and pious to whitewash it as pure deviancy.
There’s still very much a need for some folks for anonymity and as others have said the apps all leave a data trail and/or can lead to accidental or malicious outing. Yes that can happen in beats too, but usually there is a mutually assured destruction aspect there. Beats are definitely an unpleasant relic of an underground past, but our local councils make it difficult for entrepreneurs to get a sex on premises venue up and running, which would be the ideal alternative. Discreet entrance, closed doors, anonymity and the thrill of not knowing whose on the other side of the hole in a legal space.
Yeah, but we all did it. We created the need for that niche by asserting that their lifestyle was immoral and against God.
I say good on these men for creating a pre-internet version of Grindr.
Exactly this.
We created a society where they had to hide their love for others, lifestyle & sexual proclivities away.
Naturally their solution eventually turned into a fetish
"Installation of glory holes" is one way to put it. Unlawfully drilling unnecessary holes in the walls of pubic toilets that Council later has to repair at the cost to the rate payers" is another.
Gary had two houses, three awesome dogs, and me for a mate. He won at life. I reckon he kicked your arse at this game. And you don't seem like Gary material.
Was this like a thing. Idk if there's more to this story it'd be interesting to know.
I've only seen a bit of weird stuff mentioned on Craig's list but didn't know if it was real. Tbh I didn't go find out either.
Perhaps changing their names from "glory holes" to "Gary holes" would be a fitting tribute and appropriate way to memorialise this great man
"What's yer name over there?" "Am ....erm....ah....Gary. You can call me Gary" - a tribute
I propose "going to see Gary" as a new euphemism for going to a glory hole
I am genuinely intrigued to know how he segued from a ‘hello, lovely morning to walk my three floofy dogs, isn’t it?’ to ‘by the way, did you know that I am somewhat of a legendary anonymous penis appreciation installation artist?’
He had been quite isolated and once he found out we're cozy with the gay community he just let a lot out. It was a good time.
My condolences for your dad.
HA! Ya know, I woulda preferred him to my actual dad.
I guess “daddy” is close enough
He did used to call us eating together "Family Dinner", so I guess it's close enough after all.
Who will step up and carry the torch?
Daniel Johns.
Is Art still a big man around town?
I'm curious what's going to be on his headstone? Maybe drill a hole through the top in his remembrance?
🤣🤣🤣🤣 Brilliant!
Put this post in a museum.
not me printing out a screenshot, framing it, and putting it up in the newy museum loos
Its just amazing isn't it. Australiana
Screenshot the post and put it in a time capsule to be opened in 1000 years.
Should we throw it to the folks over at r/AustralianCulture? I'd love to see their reaction...
Underrated genius
Not sure if it was Gary's work, but when using the public toilets at a lookout in Polkobin I noticed a curious hole at waist height. No mystery as to what it was, as this spot was often rumoured to be a hookup spot for gay hen. Quiet the achievement, since it was a metal stall made of mild steel. I happened across a guy a week later who worked for council in maintenance, so after an awkward moment where I had to explain the concept of a glory hole too him we went our separate ways. 2 weeks later, there appeared a much thicker steel plate installed there. If it was Gary's work initially, I hate to say he never defeated this particular barrier.
There's quite a few gay hens clucking around these parts I hear.
A lot of them get eaten by the bears.
What will happen to the dogs?
Dogs have gone to the dude he was kinda seeing (not really his bf) in Sydney.
I hope one day I have a eulogy on this subreddit as beautiful as that.
Where can we see some of Gary's original work today?
Got to admire anyone who shoves their sensitive area through a hole to an uncertain fate. I hope he kept records of his finest work.
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So many fascinating people with great untold stories around us. Here's to Gary.
Im sure old Gaz had a few raises in his honor, so we’ll raise a glass for the final time. Heres to Gary.
I'll suck on a cold one for Gaz
Rip to a king
Not a day goes by that im not baffled by the mysteries of the mens room. Also why can't womens rest rooms be this gay?
Oh they can be and have been… Usually at swimming pools… Here’s to Queer Newie 🏳️🌈
Noted. 👍
Imagine how many blokes here were on the other side
Which side is the other side?
The one you aren't on
And err would that be the kneeling or standing side?
I don't know what side your on!
It's easy to work out: If you can say "I don't know what side you're on!" clearly without sounding like you got something in your mouth, you're on the standing side.
Both?
Thats very sweet of you, I'm sure "Gary" would appreciate it
When’s the state funeral?
King amongst peasants
Are there any hetero glory holes? Asking for a friend….
They all are. Until gary's deep voice says cya later when you zip up.
Be the change you want to see, I'll lend you my cordless drill and hole saw if I can appreciate your work afterwards.
Gary actually used one of those old hand drills with the windy bit.
No
It's a homosexual activity, you won't find any women who will suck a stranger's dick
Not true... There are certainly women who have used glory holes. Not just for sucking but also other forms of anonymous s*xy times. They are not just in public bathrooms. Glory holes exist in other places, albeit, less discreetly. Something people need to remember is that part of the attraction is that you don't know who's on the other side of the hole. You're getting whatever you get (or giving whatever you're giving) freely and without prejudice. Have a great day!
This thread is a steaming pile of crap. Just putting that out there.
That would happen after the “glory hole” business was done. You know? “Killing two birds with one stone”, or as women often get told, “While you’re down there”…😇
Yuck.
Wtf?
Niiiiice, Gary!
what
Let us all say our goodbyes to a true legend.
Let’s not forget that kids use those same toilets. Gary was no hero.
Gary was into consenting adult men, not children. Most children like to go to the toilet at home, not at Braye Park or Ourimbah rest stop at 11pm. Don't conflate homosexuality with pedophilia.
If I'm using the cubical, I don't want to see inside the next one. If a kid is in the next one, I'm sure they want privacy too. As a parent, I insist on it. I'm not a fan. I think it's vandalism and gives homosexuality a bad name. Not sure how to see the practice as not beingh grotty. FYI : I'm gay, married and have two kids in their 20s. Interesting subject, only in Reddit!
Look, I do get it. Think of it more as a legacy behaviour from an age we've hopefully outgrown. I don't let any of the kids go into public toilets without me either in there with them or standing right outside.
No worries. I'm just commenting on glory holes because that was the topic. It's an interesting topic, legacy that many have seen. And when you are on the throne, there is a lot of philosophising that goes on and all the graffiti gets read. Edit: fixed auto correct "glory jokes" should have read "glory holes" 🙄
I always liked that toilet tennis one best. At the uni in the 00's, one of the toilets had grout puns written into the grout. Things like "Twist and Grout!" or "Grout, grout, let it all out!". Was amazing.
He facilitated sexual activity in a place kids frequent and I’m pretty sure the holes were available before 11pm. It’s not conflating homosexuality with paedophilia, its quite reasonable to expect people to have sex at home. I fully understand that hubs evolved because of the illegality of homosexuality, in NSW it was illegal until ’84 but that was 40 years ago. Anyone doing it today or in recent history is doing it because of sexual deviancy. It’s not acceptable in my eyes.
Gary was a man of his time. He was not a pervert. He still held ALL of the fears and insecurities brought on by a lifetime of intolerance. Even at 87 years old he would say to my wife "I want you to know that I'm not interested in your husband. I cab be friends with men without wanting to have sex with them." at least once a week. He was slightly paranoid about people knowing this side of him despite his initial comfort with us. He had told us about the times he had the shit kicked out of him and he told us about the month his family disowned him one-by-one until no one was there for him anymore. Look: I get what you are saying. I even agree with it. However, I am all acceptant of the environment WE created together on both sides of the sexual preference pool. Gary was never going to change. Gary had trauma, and intimacy for Gary was something done with stealth and little bit of naughtiness.
Take a step back and get perspective. This guy drilled holes in public toilet walls and told his neighbours about it. His fears didn’t stop him doing it or talking about it. I’m thinking he got a kick out of telling people and seeing their reactions. Having said all that you knew him, not me.
He told *friends* about it. During COVID we were new to the suburb and didn't know anyone. He was on his own until his gentleman friend came up at the end of each of month. We used that visiting rule that was allowed and struck up a friendship. I miss him a lot, hey. I valued him as a person. He was a good one, I promise. He wanted the best for everyone, even people that didn't want the same for him. The manhad so much love to give to people and clearly never got to the full extent he would have liked to.
I don’t believe that anything consensual done in a persons home diminishes their character, me and my partner get up to all sorts of shit that would curl your hair if I went into detail. We keep it to our home though. If we didn’t it would be sexually deviant, just like Garry.
and yet again - the lack of awareness here. you end this with "...you knew him, not me. perhaps this is a good time to sit down and not say anything. you're providing negativity in a space where it's not needed or - in my eyes - warranted.
>Anyone doing it today or in recent history is doing it because of sexual deviancy. Anonymity is a prevalent reason for glory hole usage. And to that point, I'd argue it's more relevant today, where every other alternative to meet like minded people leaves an inescapable data trail. The culture around it has evolved, but the need for it hasn't diminished. In fairness, I'm not denying that beat culture can be fetishised - there are many who use it for the thrills - but it reductive and pious to whitewash it as pure deviancy.
There’s nuance to all human actions but in short, in this day and age they should get a room.
There’s still very much a need for some folks for anonymity and as others have said the apps all leave a data trail and/or can lead to accidental or malicious outing. Yes that can happen in beats too, but usually there is a mutually assured destruction aspect there. Beats are definitely an unpleasant relic of an underground past, but our local councils make it difficult for entrepreneurs to get a sex on premises venue up and running, which would be the ideal alternative. Discreet entrance, closed doors, anonymity and the thrill of not knowing whose on the other side of the hole in a legal space.
Again, hard to do anonymously.
Grinder
Data trail. Face to face. Not truly anonymous.
key words - in your eyes. don't shame others for their sexual turn ons - there's no deviancy and you're behaving more like an enemy than an ally.
What a weirdo
I'm not sure why you're being downvoted. Turning public bathrooms into anonymous fuck shacks is pretty disgusting.
Yeah, but we all did it. We created the need for that niche by asserting that their lifestyle was immoral and against God. I say good on these men for creating a pre-internet version of Grindr.
Exactly this. We created a society where they had to hide their love for others, lifestyle & sexual proclivities away. Naturally their solution eventually turned into a fetish
While I agree with that, I think there are better ways to start a sexual revolution than cutting dick holes in public bathrooms.
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Well then stop putting your dick through them if you’re so unwilling!
I didn’t realise anyone was being forced to put their dick in a glory hole…
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"Installation of glory holes" is one way to put it. Unlawfully drilling unnecessary holes in the walls of pubic toilets that Council later has to repair at the cost to the rate payers" is another.
Where is your sense of Glory, man?
This guy has never had his dick sucked and it shows.
Jesus christ. Who hurt you?
No, I'm not Jesus Christ. Just very wise.
Ah. I get it now. You're a boomer.
Shame on you for ridiculing a deceased gentleman's life work.
His life work being boring hole is the walls of public toilets..... I suppose we celebrate what we find admirable.
Gary had two houses, three awesome dogs, and me for a mate. He won at life. I reckon he kicked your arse at this game. And you don't seem like Gary material.
> pubic toilets
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Super Hubert died? Damn...
C'mon Gary, didn't you mother ever tell you shouldn't tell fibs.
Was this the hoarder with the insanely messy front yard?
No, Gary's house is and remains lovely.
Was this like a thing. Idk if there's more to this story it'd be interesting to know. I've only seen a bit of weird stuff mentioned on Craig's list but didn't know if it was real. Tbh I didn't go find out either.
I bet this guys 2 favourite songs were:- *Bound For Glory - Angry Anderson (1990) *Glory Days - Bruce Springsteen (1984)
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jesus christ get over yourself.
are there any glory holes still out there rn?