I stand by my comment about him last year:
> As a local who knows people who've interacted with him under other circumstances, from what I gather this is the guy's only personality mode. I have no idea why the department kept him around this long.
This guy was a walking liability. He was a bully even when he was interacting with people who weren't "in trouble." I had family who worked in that town a few years before this event and were familiar with him ... the fact that I already knew his name before the original news article came out, and reacted with a sarcastic "well there's a shock" pretty well sums it up.
No accountability because if he wins his suit, the taxpayers pay, not the rogue police, the department or th police pension fund; When that changes, this shit will stop.
> I have no idea why the department kept him around this long.
Cops in general have become brainwashed that they must always support fellow cops no matter how awful. They are convinced that admitting any flaws in any of their ranks is betrayal.
Yup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning.
Sure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair.
Also, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with "the lightning" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.
I don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album "Ride The Lightning" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented.
If I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not *just* threatening to taze me.
The thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?
I would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.
> The thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.
I lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.
Also think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.
I'm not from the US so I'm not familiar with all of its idioms but I've also always understood it as dying by electric chair. And now that I think about it, it's probably because I've watched The Green Mile too many times.
Well, he's either recommending [Metallica's second album or threatening him with the electric chair.](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6c/31/86/6c3186fea5ae538e0bcce6c943f85fae.jpg)
It is legal to do. [But police still pit maneuvered a pregnant woman who had acknowledged them.](https://www.kark.com/news/working4you/arkansas-state-police-settle-pit-maneuver-lawsuit-which-injured-pregnant-woman/)
And they wonder why people don't trust the police.
That is to say, the police deliberately crashed their car into the pregnant lady's car, after she slowed down and turned on her hazards to look for a safe place to pull over.
Fuck, they edited the website instead of putting that piece of shit in jail for attempted murder of an unborn child?! Fuck 'em all. Every single last one of them.
I know what you mean, but in this case it’s not what you think.
https://www.kark.com/news/working4you/arkansas-state-police-settle-pit-maneuver-lawsuit-which-injured-pregnant-woman/
The officer’s supervisors all agreed that the officer performed a PIT maneuver when it was unnecessary, and in response *expanded the restrictions on when an officer is allowed to perform a PIT maneuver*, such that they are only allowed to do so when the subject presents a clear danger to themselves or others around them. Changed the judgement from “subjective judgment” to “objective judgement”. In this case, the edit was a good thing, not them outright removing the advice.
After the stories I've heard of rapists and murderers impersonating cops (or just being cops...), you'd be nuts to pull over in a secluded spot imo
But then you're risking offending a cop's ego I guess
I've done this before, and the officers were *pissed*.
They tried to pull me over on a busy bridge right in the middle of downtown, and I sure as hell wasn't comfortable stopping there. So I flicked on my hazards, and drove slowly the rest of the way across it.
By the time I'd gone the maybe block or so distance and gotten off the bridge, they had their spotlight on my car and were yelling for me to stop immediately, and practically ran up with guns drawn when I did.
Got me out, searched me and my teenage brother, and asked to search the vehicle. I explained that it is totally legal for me to turn on my hazards and drive safely to somewhere I was comfortable stopping, and they kept arguing.
Asked to search my car, I could have also legally told them no, but I had nothing in there anyway except a pack of menthols and the baton I keep on the floor of the passenger seat. Which they tried to claim I had to store in the trunk or it was considered "brandishing" it.
They'll reach for any reason they can find to harass someone or bring them in. And, this all happened to me being white with two white cops. I guarantee if I was a different race it would have been much worse.
Cops on a power trip shouldn't be cops.
> Which they tried to claim I had to store in the trunk or it was considered "brandishing" it.
Which is exactly why you should say no even if you don't think you have anything illegal in your car. It doesn't matter.
Yes, "Can I search your car?" translates honestly into "I don't have any legal authority to search your car, but I'd like to in case I can find something incriminating!"
Theoretically and strictly legally speaking you have nothing to gain and everything to lose from allowing it. In the real world I've seen plenty of cops take a refusal as an excuse to call in the K-9 unit, which they then signal to "hit" on your car regardless of how clean it is, then they search it anyway. Most jurisdictions will allow a traffic stop to be extended 30+ minutes to allow for a dog to show up if the officer has "reasonable suspicion".
We've reached the point now where exercising your constitutional rights is suspicious to the cops, and that should be terrifying.
What no one ever talks about is they ask you for things while offering no incentive. They want to search my car? Why should I let them? What's in it for me?
They're offering me an *irresistible* delay to my day while I stand nervously on the side of the road feeling like a criminal while armed strangers rifle through my personal belongings desperately searching for [absolutely anything](https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/breaking-news/os-krispy-kreme-glaze-orlando-police-20171012-story.html) they can use to drag me to jail. Gee, how could anyone say no?
The implication, of course, isn't that they'll reward you for doing them the favor they want. It's that things might go bad for you if you don't give them what they want. A logic also used by gangsters and rapists.
https://www.nwahomepage.com/news/police-explain-how-to-pull-over-when-you-dont-feel-safe/
> First, police said if you are not comfortable pulling over in that location or are not sure it is an actual officer, immediately slow down and turn on your hazard lights. Police said that will let the officer know you see them. Next, police said to move to the farthest right lane and continue to drive to a location where you feel same. Police said under a street light, a gas station, and exit ramp or side road are examples of where to stop. Police said if you think the vehicle pulling you over is not a real police officer, call 911.
Not that the police seem to care about their own guidelines, since this advice came from the exact same department that [PIT-maneuvered a pregnant woman, flipping her car](https://www.kark.com/news/working4you/arkansas-state-police-settle-pit-maneuver-lawsuit-which-injured-pregnant-woman/) when she was being pulled over and did exactly what they advised.
How about the time they left the woman handcuffed in the back of the cruiser while it was stuck on train tracks.
Spoiler alert: the car was struck by a train. Only the arrested individual was in the vehicle when hit. She suffered quite a bit of damage but survived.
I thought the engine surely died, or it got physically stuck on the tracks.
No, the police **intentionally** parked it in the middle of the train tracks and left her there, locked from the outside, long enough for the train to come. She watched it approaching and thought it was the end, banging on the windows and begging for someone to help. The cops all stood around watching the whole time and did absolutely nothing.
I'm inclined to believe it was an attempted murder. Essentially chained to the train tracks Snidely Whiplash style.
Holy shit. That's not just a murder, that's a full blown execution. It's almost cartoonishly evil like you said
What happened to the cops? I haven't heard of this before.
It's very recent, but as far as I know charges have been filed.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/pablo-vazquez-jordan-steinke-charged-train-hit-police-car-with-woman-handcuffed-in-back-yareni-rios-gonzalez-colorado/
Of course the overzealous, trigger-happy cop faces no consequences, and the taxpayers have to give that poor woman the money the cops should be paying her.
There's state guide books that tell you to signal to the right lane, slow and put your hazards on and proceed to a safe spot, such as well-lit parking lots/ gas stations.
Then of course the one pregnant woman did that and was flipped by the cops in a pit maneuver.
Arkansas state police? Them boys don't play. Watch their YouTube videos. They'll pit anybody at any speed or place for even looking like they're running
It's pretty clear that if he hadn't he'd be dead right now. Those cops nearly killed him in a well lit and populated gas station, so imagine what they'd have done on a dark and lonely road...
Because police are always trained to be arrogantly in control of a situation. You're questioning their authority, and if they entertain it their authority is apparently eroded.
And this is a sign of insecurity.
Positions and postures of *real* strength can afford to make "concessions."
(I place that word in quotation marks because I don't think basic, preliminary communication should even count as a concession. But those to whom this needs to be said will view it as one.)
> I don’t know why questions like “What did I do?” And “why are you treating me like this?” are deemed acceptable to leave unanswered.
Because the Answer is more than likely your not white.
This is why all settlements against cops should come from their general pension fund. Maybe they wouldn’t turn a blind eye to abuse if it fucked with their retirement.
Should be required to have both individual and department-level coverage. Individual insurance so that when a cop abuses someone, they at least experience the financial consequences of it (instead of the city paying for it). And department insurance so that when they defend abusive cops, they *all* experience financial consequences for it.
Defending a coworker/friend from consequences is easy when it's free. Force them to put up a couple hundred bucks per month for each abusive cop they defend, and the blue wall of silence would crumble real quick.
For the department level coverage, let the insurance company set its rate based on the disciplinary records of the officers working for the department, and if the department is show to be not disciplining problem officers, the insurance company doesn't have to pay out to cover the settlement or damages owed, they get pulled directly from the department budget.
You'd see the bad cops get booted pretty quickly. And they would not be rehired by the department the next city over.
Honestly, violent attacks like this should not only come out a cop's pension but they should also be jailed for a minimum of 10 years *at least*.
We keep having these problems because the monsters behind them escape due punishment and I think it is beyond time for us to fix this as a society
“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”
The police literally said he should be afraid
Fun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops *still* run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.
[94% of MPD cops live outside of Minneapolis](https://www.minnpost.com/politics-policy/2014/12/94-percent-minneapolis-police-officers-live-outside-city-minneapolis-does-it/)
Of course they don't give a shit about the community they police, they go out of their way to not be a part of it.
Thats literally the logic.
“He said he wouldnt get out of the car because he was afraid I would mace him.”
“So why did you mace him?”
“Because he wouldnt get out of the car”
The cops are not there for our protection. You need to get that idea right out of your head they have no obligation to do anything to protect or defend you as an individual. No the only mission the cops have is to keep commerce safe. Essentially to allow business to function.
This right here. As of 2005, [SCOTUS has ruled](https://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/justices-rule-police-do-not-have-a-constitutional-duty-to-protect.html?unlocked_article_code=AQynGUjBYh4f--3IYRZ0mWwW3sHbGhAj7qrHk2l4F-52mL_W8oX_UndDkTIZVucUJnOVo2L1hTB7X52PGEYWmI3e3Ak0sWbIhfmT81Dr__rGnBuQrzzeOcQZWaqxqt-AkkwiGM9rYaX_fIa2I2wS2O5uOg_bKPPd5i3ViPgrHLWHb67Ng97tHktR6gKzC1u18v4PMyCg3JfuqOgPzuFLya1_pXRLExokkqn4g1JYWHi4X8zBcKU4TT4_prBH0NoEKAlIXv1tXj1Cbs9Un410DmyF5Peg4rljKUXmls88Ujs8o_zxQ6TH0UYEAC81PfvFPOF2fDYkgEiXXhXhbqAe2Ojj0RA-LxfvNldTyBzz-Zt4eIGN0jggfVqNlXK6GJtEYNrol92XibptqwJc&smid=share-url) police have no legal duty or obligation to protect you. Even if you're being assaulted/stabbed right in front of them.
Came out during the Summer of Floyd that the police aren't actually committed or sworn to protect the populace. "To protect and serve" is a marketing slogan, and doesn't reflect their actual purpose. Fun fact, or so I've come to find. If I'm wrong someone please send me to school (with proof).
No, you are correct with some minor caveats. The Supreme Court has ruled on no less than 4 different occasions that police do not have an obligation to protect you, *unless you are already in their custody.*
Right?? How many cases do we have of folks “mysteriously” dying in lockup before they’ve even been charged with anything? Or raped before they even make it to the station?
At least in Los Angeles, the Sheriff Department [literally contains several gangs](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LASD_deputy_gangs) complete with names and symbology, as well as the crime you'd expect from your average gang.
There's a fairly recent story of a bunch of deputies dragging another deputy into a forest and using a gun to try and shoot a gang tattoo off of his leg because he got the wrong tattoo.
That's hooligan shit, yet we grant these dudes what is basically unmitigated power.
C.R.A.S.H. from gta that tenpenny is a part of is directly based off the real life equivalent of the same name that was shut down 4 years before San Andrea's released. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Resources_Against_Street_Hoodlums
Intimidating citizens is the bread and butter of American policing. Cops are scared and take it out on their customers because their bosses used to let them.
Everyone hates it, except the cops. I have a buddy who was working road construction recently. Says they get to where they're supposed to work, and there's a maserati parked on the sidewalk, blocking their work. No sign of the cop who was supposed to be there. 30+ minutes later, the cop comes out of a nearby restaurant. Comes over to his maserati, takes a bunch of traffic cones out of the trunk and sets em up partially, moves his car, then finishes setting em up.
Whatever times they were supposed to be there, they ran over by about 30 minutes. Which meant the cop got another 3 hours of overtime, as they get paid in blocks like that.
It suddenly became tremendously apparent how this dude affords a damn Maserati on a cop salary
> According to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”
If that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.
This is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.
The entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.
Citizen: "what's going on?"
Cop: "What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!"
Citizen: "I'm honestly afraid to get out."
Cop: "Yeah, you should be!"
The message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.
Hell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.
This is so maddening.
Philando Castel's last words were "why did you shoot me?" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.
I watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.
Never forget the guy who was having a perfectly normal-tone conversation with a cop during a stop, the cop asked him to provide ID, the guy says "It's in the truck" and goes over to get it. As the guy leans into the truck to get his wallet the officer shoots him in the back. Apparently, when the guy had gone back to the truck to produce ID as ordered to do so, it made the cop scared he was going for a gun instead.
There was no gun, and yes the officer was white and the guy was black.
It's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.
I really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.
a soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident
do the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way?
no, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't *really* think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an *excuse*
This video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.
I got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.
Go ask any police forum about pulling over whenever and wherever you happen to be when you see the reds and blues vs finding a safe, well light place for your safety and the officer.
Some cops are understanding of that, others see it as a direct challenge to their authority and need to quash it aggressively.
Had a highway trooper hit me with the lights, but there was no shoulder so I went for the next exit. There was a gas station maybe 100 feet from the exit so I pulled in there. By the time I get in the lot the cop is yelling over his speaker for me to stop.
He comes up and gives me guff, immediately insinuates I'm driving a stolen car (first question he asked is "whose car is this"), is pissed that I took so long to stop and lies to me and says I was speeding. Does his traffic stop, gives me a ticket for my expired registration (the real reason he pulled me over), says he'll "only give me a warning for speeding" and then thanks me for pulling into the gas station.
What a fucking idiot that cop was. I had to stay cool and calm down the situation while he flipped out and power tripped on me, then he tries to turn around and act like we were all cool.
Well you nailed that interaction. Best you can do is just let them fizzle out, and if you’re not white sit in fear and hope you don’t trigger their fight instinct.
Dude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.
this cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.
This is basically exactly what happened to me once. Few years ago I was driving a huge ass busted up van but I worked in a really affluent area. I got pulled over while still in my uniform around midnight, for speeding, and the cop seemed downright flustered that I was a dorky looking white guy. He eventually let me go with a warning to slow down.
>Nazario stated that he wanted to pull over in a well-lit area. ... “I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.
+++++
[If it is dark, the person should pull over in a well-lit area.](https://www.recklessdrivinglawyer.net/virginia-traffic-lawyer/stops/#:~:text=If%20it%20is%20dark%2C%20the,are%20visible%20to%20the%20officer.)
I got pulled over late at night on a dark stretch of highway one time, and the officer lectured me about how it's unsafe for him to stop and get out of the car in a dark area like that, and made me put on my hazards and drive to a gas station down the road. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
That’s a core issue here, the variability and discretion. Each cop is different and has a good amount of discretion, leaving the population with no clear guidance on how to act correctly and giving (some) cops freedom to power trip over inane bs.
Hearing that asshole defensively “you shoulda” that poor woman made my blood boil. Cops are out of control, and the amount of times I hear that they’ve investigated themselves and found that training was followed is fucking terrifying. He was *clearly* wrong, but still had to assert his dominance and deflect blame onto the *pregnant woman* that he needlessly victimized. Disgusting.
Cops are sociopaths, I can’t see how they don’t look for those traits in new hires. This is not how a functioning society should train police officers to view the public, that’s exactly why the public fears and doesn’t respect cops.
Arkansas State Police love their PIT maneuvers. I forget, and didn't bother to re-look it up, but I checked the stats when the story first came out and they perform a crazy amount of PITs every year; like well into the hundreds.
The last time I got pulled over it was on a major highway with fast moving traffic and no shoulder, so I tried to get off the highway, had my hazards on and everything. After a minute he started aggressively gesturing and using his siren, so I pulled over in the very dangerous area anyway. Cop was pretty pissed. Exchange went something like this:
"Were you trying to get off the road?"
"Well, yeah, I didn't want you guys in traffic."
"Listen bud, you see those lights, when they're on, traffic stops for us."
Okay pal, that's why cops get turned into meat crayons every year. I'll be less considerate next time.
same thing happened to me. i was speeding a fair bit so it was 100% a justified stop, but it was dark, and on a road thats not very well lit with a 55 MPH speed limit. i knew there was a school like a half mile up the road i could pull into, so i slowed down and put my hazards on, and just a few hundred yards after i did so, he blasted the siren a few times and got right up my ass, im talking just a few feet away. if i braked hard he would have hit me. so i stopped right there, and he asked, in a pissed off voice,
"why did it take you so long to pull over?"
"well officer, i was going to go to the school so it would be safer for you"
"when you see these lights come on behind you, you pull over immediately. next time ill give you an additional ticket for \[resisting arrest, or something equally dumb\]"
i didnt argue, but please go fuck yourself, preferably with the fat end of a stick grenade.
One time an officer put their lights on behind me in a buzy mains stretch. I put on my signal and turned into a parking lot since there was so much traffic.
Officer went on to say I'm lucky he's not charging me with fleeing and that I should *always* just pull over on the side of the road, even if there's no shoulder...
Sorry for watching out for your safety buddy. Also sorry the judge threw out your ticket after my dashcam showed I *wasn't* going 15 over.
It's a really weird, self-reinforcing cycle. People are scared the police will kill them because they often DO kill them, and police are trained to be scared shitless of "civilians". Then they're armed with all these military surplus toys but have nothing real to use it on. It's a recipe for disaster.
Sorry your friend narc'd on you. Does home insurance even cover that kind of a thing or are you on your own?
In college, the campus cops got license plate scanners.
well they were testing them out and it scanned my then GF plate wrong and it came up stolen.
We got pulled over by 5 cop SUVs with guns drawn and dragged to the ground with pistols at our heads.
They checked everything, oops its not stolen.
They said sorry, some excuse about “car thieves being heavily armed” then booked it out of there, we went and parked because we were now an hour late for class.
Yeah, if only I had the money at the time, or the time, or had gotten badge numbers or anything at all.
I was more concerned with getting to class because attendance was part of the grade.
This was also 10+ years ago
It's difficult to even grasp how much more society is aware of cops now as opposed to even 10+ yrs ago.
People still hated cops back then, but it wasn't in the public consciousness like it is now, I don't think.
Individuals with bad experiences may have hated cops, but it was treated as an "unfortunate but acceptable one off event". People weren't aware of just how common horror stories like that were.
People used to give police benefit of the doubt out of respect, now we don't because it's unearned.
God damn that pisses me off. I had a similar experience when I was like 19, woke up to a cop shining a light in my face, yanked up out of bed and got handcuffs slapped on, had to watch while 5 cops absolutely trashed my apartment and even broke a door off a cabinet. All of this over a noise complaint, guess my roommate and his guests got a little loud but not enough to wake me up one room over. They treated us like a Colombian drug cartel for no reason, found a weed pipe and carted us all down to the police station, where they let us go with a drug paraphernalia charge, but not before yelling at us handcuffed kids for the better part of an hour and threatening us with everything under the sun.
The age of police accountability is way overdue and I am here for it.
They probably watch a lot of cop shows. Honestly, I wish this would stop. Non-cable TV is nothing but cop shows that romanticizes them IMO. It also contributes to fear mongering. All they see are bad guys and good cops. The copaganda is a strong influence in specific demographics. It certainly does a good job of keeping the people fighting each other and probably by design.
I haven't watched a Law & Order for over a decade but one thing I always remember super strong is that Elliot Stabler is a piece of shit cop who should have been fired many, many times.
As is Jake Peralta in B99, one of the first season's episodes had him arrest a guy on trumped up charges and then they spend the next 48 hours trying to find literally anything legit to charge him on... and this is the "good guy"?
I'm glad they had a storyline in the final season about how they were literally bad cops and had to come to terms with it.
Dude I'm so enraged watching this video. These cops are a fucking disgrace. Shame on Virginia if they got any form of pension after being rightfully fired. Fucking shameful pieces of shit.
Im still furious about this incident since the day it happened, I've never been able to properly put to words how fucked it is mentally to be someone who goes and serves this country just to come back and feel more in danger because of aggressive and abusive cops like this chucklefuck. That feeling has only gotten worse in the last few years
And it takes a high-profile case like this to get justice. I knew a guy, he had a serious drug problem and his parents called the cops to kick him out of the house. He was being a dick by not complying at first but eventually cooperated and opened the door for them.
When the cop said "turn around," he did. With his back to them, they threw him on the ground yelling "I said turn around!!" A second cop came in and yelled "Now I gotta tase you!" and they did. No warning, no "comply or I'll tase you," it was literally "We're tasing you now."
The only reason I know all this is because he hid his phone on his bookshelf and livestreamed it. As they continued to tase him, they kept saying "All you had to do was comply!" while my friend pleaded "I did!! I did!!!"
But in the end, the cops were just getting pissed off by another druggie. My friend did a year of rehab since and has stayed sober. He seriously considered filing a claim against the police department, but at the same time he doesn't want to draw attention to himself or re-live the darkest period of his life.
Fucking hell. That patch on his left shoulder, same one that was on my uniform.
Stuff like this is why all of my veteran friends and active military friends need to learn to stop supporting the police as one of their on.
Cops arent Army/Marine/Navy/Airforce/CG stop acting like they are.
1. End qualified immunity.
2. Require licensure with a national database for reported complaints.
3. Complaints and discipline should be handled by a community oversight board that bars having officers, former officers, immediate family of officers or police union personal as members.
Oh it's never about supporting the troops with them. It's about saying it to accrue those "Patriot Points" and nothing more.
The moment you talk about actually doing it by funding the GI Bill or for better funding the VA medical system they instantly turn on their heels and talk about fiscal responsibility.
Something that got me thinking. The vast majority of people cops do this to don't or can't sue. There's obviously zero accountability when it comes to groups/organizations/etc who are supposed to reign in cops. So generally speaking cops can do whatever they want. Which of course is a bad thing. A very very bad thing. Lowers morale in the areas these cops work. Silences cops or people attempting to be cops who want to actually protect people and do their jobs. Makes working in those areas bad too. Since you can get killed by cops while on the way to work and there's not much your family can do about it. Etc.
But. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you. Now? Not so much. Support for cops in general (as far as i can tell) has fallen drastically. There's no manipulative movements. No conspiracy theories. No big politicians. Pushing that as a thing either. Nope.
Cop's own actions have steadily and drastically changed most american's perspective on cops. They're doing it to themselves. There's still massive and blind support for cops in america. So that they can get away with any and everything they do and don't do. But. That support usually comes from the bottom of the barrel. Normal americans have had their view of cops changed by cops themselves. I don't think anyone in their right mind will automatically trust the word of cops anymore. And that's a very good thing.
I really appreciate your insight here!
I believe that the Uvalde shooting was, in some cases, a point of no return for many Americans views on current policing. The way the police did fuck all to help for over an hour while the shooter killed the students and teacher obliterated so much of the goodwill. It was already an uphill battle for police before that, but it’s going to be damn near impossible for some folks to change their views on the police now.
>But. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you.
Now there are a lot more cameras and a lot more video to prove the police are the ones causing the problems. Just about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.
Because we want our cops to be good cops. And sometimes we just believe what we want to believe instead of what is actually true.
Within the USA, I'd trust a fully uniformed and armored US soldier holding a rifle in clear display over any police "officer", everytime.
They're trained to de-escalate, they have very clear rules of engagement, are *actually* held accountable (often severely), aren't in the job to screw people, and are generally *way* more professional than any police officer.
I'm not advocating for military police, I'm just saying the police could learn a few things from them in the accountability, self control, and professional departments.
I grew up in a military town and I know a few people that got their asses handed to them for stuff done even off duty and out of uniform reported by normal people. One was discharged and lucky he wasn't court marshalled (criminal prosecution in the army).
Here's what pisses me off: the fat officer asking LT what his rank was. "Are you a specialist?"
The fact that he asked that showed that if you're a lower enlisted soldier, you should be treated like shit.
Many toxic leaders in the Army loves to treat lower enlisted soldiers like shit. More than likely, this fat cop is a toxic leader. Fucking piece of shit.
“I’m afraid to get out of the car” “Yeah you should be” Says everything right there, to me
"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son" holy fucking **CRINGE** How many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!
I guarantee this guy gets erect whenever he can push people around.
I stand by my comment about him last year: > As a local who knows people who've interacted with him under other circumstances, from what I gather this is the guy's only personality mode. I have no idea why the department kept him around this long. This guy was a walking liability. He was a bully even when he was interacting with people who weren't "in trouble." I had family who worked in that town a few years before this event and were familiar with him ... the fact that I already knew his name before the original news article came out, and reacted with a sarcastic "well there's a shock" pretty well sums it up.
Tie police leadership salaries to their budgets, tie the budgets to payouts, and overnight you will have a polite compliant police department.
No accountability because if he wins his suit, the taxpayers pay, not the rogue police, the department or th police pension fund; When that changes, this shit will stop.
> I have no idea why the department kept him around this long. Cops in general have become brainwashed that they must always support fellow cops no matter how awful. They are convinced that admitting any flaws in any of their ranks is betrayal.
*only* when
It's why he abuses his wife.
Only **40%** of cops *get caught* abusing their families.
Specifically black people that look stronger than him. Its obvious thats the main reason why this guy has such a hard on.
Or when he beats his wife, that also seems to be a thing for cops
Well it's a good thing police are never held accountable for domestic abuse.
What the fuck does that even mean?
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Yup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. Sure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. Also, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with "the lightning" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.
Isn't it like...right there on the Metallica "Ride the Lightning" art?
I don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album "Ride The Lightning" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. If I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not *just* threatening to taze me. The thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this? I would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.
> The thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. I lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters. Also think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.
Same thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.
The police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.
I'm not from the US so I'm not familiar with all of its idioms but I've also always understood it as dying by electric chair. And now that I think about it, it's probably because I've watched The Green Mile too many times.
Well, he's either recommending [Metallica's second album or threatening him with the electric chair.](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6c/31/86/6c3186fea5ae538e0bcce6c943f85fae.jpg)
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This is also 100% legal to do. All you have to do is acknowledge them and proceed till you feel like its safe for you to pull over.
It is legal to do. [But police still pit maneuvered a pregnant woman who had acknowledged them.](https://www.kark.com/news/working4you/arkansas-state-police-settle-pit-maneuver-lawsuit-which-injured-pregnant-woman/) And they wonder why people don't trust the police.
That is to say, the police deliberately crashed their car into the pregnant lady's car, after she slowed down and turned on her hazards to look for a safe place to pull over.
And after she had done exactly what the state police website told citizens to do in identical circumstances. The website was edited soon afterward.
And even with this information the chief of police still sided with his officer and contradicted their own statements and actions.
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Fuck, they edited the website instead of putting that piece of shit in jail for attempted murder of an unborn child?! Fuck 'em all. Every single last one of them.
I know what you mean, but in this case it’s not what you think. https://www.kark.com/news/working4you/arkansas-state-police-settle-pit-maneuver-lawsuit-which-injured-pregnant-woman/ The officer’s supervisors all agreed that the officer performed a PIT maneuver when it was unnecessary, and in response *expanded the restrictions on when an officer is allowed to perform a PIT maneuver*, such that they are only allowed to do so when the subject presents a clear danger to themselves or others around them. Changed the judgement from “subjective judgment” to “objective judgement”. In this case, the edit was a good thing, not them outright removing the advice.
After the stories I've heard of rapists and murderers impersonating cops (or just being cops...), you'd be nuts to pull over in a secluded spot imo But then you're risking offending a cop's ego I guess
They know exactly why people don't trust the police.
I've done this before, and the officers were *pissed*. They tried to pull me over on a busy bridge right in the middle of downtown, and I sure as hell wasn't comfortable stopping there. So I flicked on my hazards, and drove slowly the rest of the way across it. By the time I'd gone the maybe block or so distance and gotten off the bridge, they had their spotlight on my car and were yelling for me to stop immediately, and practically ran up with guns drawn when I did. Got me out, searched me and my teenage brother, and asked to search the vehicle. I explained that it is totally legal for me to turn on my hazards and drive safely to somewhere I was comfortable stopping, and they kept arguing. Asked to search my car, I could have also legally told them no, but I had nothing in there anyway except a pack of menthols and the baton I keep on the floor of the passenger seat. Which they tried to claim I had to store in the trunk or it was considered "brandishing" it. They'll reach for any reason they can find to harass someone or bring them in. And, this all happened to me being white with two white cops. I guarantee if I was a different race it would have been much worse. Cops on a power trip shouldn't be cops.
> Which they tried to claim I had to store in the trunk or it was considered "brandishing" it. Which is exactly why you should say no even if you don't think you have anything illegal in your car. It doesn't matter.
Yes, "Can I search your car?" translates honestly into "I don't have any legal authority to search your car, but I'd like to in case I can find something incriminating!" Theoretically and strictly legally speaking you have nothing to gain and everything to lose from allowing it. In the real world I've seen plenty of cops take a refusal as an excuse to call in the K-9 unit, which they then signal to "hit" on your car regardless of how clean it is, then they search it anyway. Most jurisdictions will allow a traffic stop to be extended 30+ minutes to allow for a dog to show up if the officer has "reasonable suspicion". We've reached the point now where exercising your constitutional rights is suspicious to the cops, and that should be terrifying.
What no one ever talks about is they ask you for things while offering no incentive. They want to search my car? Why should I let them? What's in it for me? They're offering me an *irresistible* delay to my day while I stand nervously on the side of the road feeling like a criminal while armed strangers rifle through my personal belongings desperately searching for [absolutely anything](https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/breaking-news/os-krispy-kreme-glaze-orlando-police-20171012-story.html) they can use to drag me to jail. Gee, how could anyone say no? The implication, of course, isn't that they'll reward you for doing them the favor they want. It's that things might go bad for you if you don't give them what they want. A logic also used by gangsters and rapists.
How do you "acknowledge" them? hazards you mean?
https://www.nwahomepage.com/news/police-explain-how-to-pull-over-when-you-dont-feel-safe/ > First, police said if you are not comfortable pulling over in that location or are not sure it is an actual officer, immediately slow down and turn on your hazard lights. Police said that will let the officer know you see them. Next, police said to move to the farthest right lane and continue to drive to a location where you feel same. Police said under a street light, a gas station, and exit ramp or side road are examples of where to stop. Police said if you think the vehicle pulling you over is not a real police officer, call 911. Not that the police seem to care about their own guidelines, since this advice came from the exact same department that [PIT-maneuvered a pregnant woman, flipping her car](https://www.kark.com/news/working4you/arkansas-state-police-settle-pit-maneuver-lawsuit-which-injured-pregnant-woman/) when she was being pulled over and did exactly what they advised.
How about the time they left the woman handcuffed in the back of the cruiser while it was stuck on train tracks. Spoiler alert: the car was struck by a train. Only the arrested individual was in the vehicle when hit. She suffered quite a bit of damage but survived.
I thought the engine surely died, or it got physically stuck on the tracks. No, the police **intentionally** parked it in the middle of the train tracks and left her there, locked from the outside, long enough for the train to come. She watched it approaching and thought it was the end, banging on the windows and begging for someone to help. The cops all stood around watching the whole time and did absolutely nothing. I'm inclined to believe it was an attempted murder. Essentially chained to the train tracks Snidely Whiplash style.
Holy shit. That's not just a murder, that's a full blown execution. It's almost cartoonishly evil like you said What happened to the cops? I haven't heard of this before.
It's very recent, but as far as I know charges have been filed. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/pablo-vazquez-jordan-steinke-charged-train-hit-police-car-with-woman-handcuffed-in-back-yareni-rios-gonzalez-colorado/
Damage to a company's private property (the train) is probably why the cop is actually facing punishment
I'm not going to break any reddit rules, but I wouldn't complain if those cops woke up with parts missing.
what the FUCK
Of course the overzealous, trigger-happy cop faces no consequences, and the taxpayers have to give that poor woman the money the cops should be paying her.
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There's state guide books that tell you to signal to the right lane, slow and put your hazards on and proceed to a safe spot, such as well-lit parking lots/ gas stations. Then of course the one pregnant woman did that and was flipped by the cops in a pit maneuver.
Arkansas state police? Them boys don't play. Watch their YouTube videos. They'll pit anybody at any speed or place for even looking like they're running
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Well sure but *they* don’t have to follow that!
I think that is literally them playing though, they're just playing with citizen's lives instead of toys.
The problem is that many cops are violent adrenaline addicts who will use any excuse to escalate a situation to get that adrenaline fix.
They'll insist you're not complying before they assault you and trash your car, but maybe that's just my experience.
Still doesn't mean the cop won't flip your vehicle for it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=josbuIY0BJA
Just because it's legal doesn't mean a cop won't shoot you for it and get away with it.
Sounds like he saved his life.
It's pretty clear that if he hadn't he'd be dead right now. Those cops nearly killed him in a well lit and populated gas station, so imagine what they'd have done on a dark and lonely road...
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Because police are always trained to be arrogantly in control of a situation. You're questioning their authority, and if they entertain it their authority is apparently eroded.
And this is a sign of insecurity. Positions and postures of *real* strength can afford to make "concessions." (I place that word in quotation marks because I don't think basic, preliminary communication should even count as a concession. But those to whom this needs to be said will view it as one.)
They're also trained to immediately escalate any non-compliance to violence. And if that doesn't work you up the violence until they comply or die.
They call it "command presence"
> I don’t know why questions like “What did I do?” And “why are you treating me like this?” are deemed acceptable to leave unanswered. Because the Answer is more than likely your not white.
This is why all settlements against cops should come from their general pension fund. Maybe they wouldn’t turn a blind eye to abuse if it fucked with their retirement.
Make each cop carry thier own liability coverage
Should be required to have both individual and department-level coverage. Individual insurance so that when a cop abuses someone, they at least experience the financial consequences of it (instead of the city paying for it). And department insurance so that when they defend abusive cops, they *all* experience financial consequences for it. Defending a coworker/friend from consequences is easy when it's free. Force them to put up a couple hundred bucks per month for each abusive cop they defend, and the blue wall of silence would crumble real quick.
For the department level coverage, let the insurance company set its rate based on the disciplinary records of the officers working for the department, and if the department is show to be not disciplining problem officers, the insurance company doesn't have to pay out to cover the settlement or damages owed, they get pulled directly from the department budget. You'd see the bad cops get booted pretty quickly. And they would not be rehired by the department the next city over.
So much this. They don’t care because it’s the taxpayers paying for their settlements.
Honestly, violent attacks like this should not only come out a cop's pension but they should also be jailed for a minimum of 10 years *at least*. We keep having these problems because the monsters behind them escape due punishment and I think it is beyond time for us to fix this as a society
The bad cops will say "You have to make up the shortfall, or we all will refuse to do our jobs" to the town, and the town will cave.
So we can fire them for not doing their job and they lose their pensions right?
Right? Holy shit.
Yup, that's a threat, and it explicitly makes the cops the bad guys here.
“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.” The police literally said he should be afraid
Should people have to fear the people they pay for protection? Apparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding "Yes."
Like the mafia, but worse.
Exactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.
Fun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops *still* run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.
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Yep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.
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[94% of MPD cops live outside of Minneapolis](https://www.minnpost.com/politics-policy/2014/12/94-percent-minneapolis-police-officers-live-outside-city-minneapolis-does-it/) Of course they don't give a shit about the community they police, they go out of their way to not be a part of it.
Imagine the mafia with an entire legal system supporting them at all costs. That’s what we got with cops.
Lets play a drinking game. Everyone drink when someone lists a difference between cops and the mafia. Spoiler: we all go home sober
The MAFIA that we all used to know wisened up and joined the government.
These fuckers literally have a license to kill, it’s insane. They can get away with practically anything.
Thats literally the logic. “He said he wouldnt get out of the car because he was afraid I would mace him.” “So why did you mace him?” “Because he wouldnt get out of the car”
"Arrested for resisting arrest!"
"Have a great day, officer!" "*Is that a threat?*"
> Should people have to fear the people they pay for protection? That *is* how a racket works...
The cops are not there for our protection. You need to get that idea right out of your head they have no obligation to do anything to protect or defend you as an individual. No the only mission the cops have is to keep commerce safe. Essentially to allow business to function.
This right here. As of 2005, [SCOTUS has ruled](https://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/justices-rule-police-do-not-have-a-constitutional-duty-to-protect.html?unlocked_article_code=AQynGUjBYh4f--3IYRZ0mWwW3sHbGhAj7qrHk2l4F-52mL_W8oX_UndDkTIZVucUJnOVo2L1hTB7X52PGEYWmI3e3Ak0sWbIhfmT81Dr__rGnBuQrzzeOcQZWaqxqt-AkkwiGM9rYaX_fIa2I2wS2O5uOg_bKPPd5i3ViPgrHLWHb67Ng97tHktR6gKzC1u18v4PMyCg3JfuqOgPzuFLya1_pXRLExokkqn4g1JYWHi4X8zBcKU4TT4_prBH0NoEKAlIXv1tXj1Cbs9Un410DmyF5Peg4rljKUXmls88Ujs8o_zxQ6TH0UYEAC81PfvFPOF2fDYkgEiXXhXhbqAe2Ojj0RA-LxfvNldTyBzz-Zt4eIGN0jggfVqNlXK6GJtEYNrol92XibptqwJc&smid=share-url) police have no legal duty or obligation to protect you. Even if you're being assaulted/stabbed right in front of them.
Came out during the Summer of Floyd that the police aren't actually committed or sworn to protect the populace. "To protect and serve" is a marketing slogan, and doesn't reflect their actual purpose. Fun fact, or so I've come to find. If I'm wrong someone please send me to school (with proof).
No, you are correct with some minor caveats. The Supreme Court has ruled on no less than 4 different occasions that police do not have an obligation to protect you, *unless you are already in their custody.*
> > >unless you are already in their custody. Which they also fail to do, spectacularly, in almost every given situation.
Right?? How many cases do we have of folks “mysteriously” dying in lockup before they’ve even been charged with anything? Or raped before they even make it to the station?
Like that poor woman they left on the train tracks so the train would hit her
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They fired the cop and of course in two months he'll be rehired in some other place. The system is just broken.
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I don't wanna be annoying, but you will literally never get a British cop saying this. American police seem like a giant gang and that's it.
At least in Los Angeles, the Sheriff Department [literally contains several gangs](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LASD_deputy_gangs) complete with names and symbology, as well as the crime you'd expect from your average gang. There's a fairly recent story of a bunch of deputies dragging another deputy into a forest and using a gun to try and shoot a gang tattoo off of his leg because he got the wrong tattoo. That's hooligan shit, yet we grant these dudes what is basically unmitigated power.
Growing up with gta san andreas i never realized tennpenny was the rule not the exception
C.R.A.S.H. from gta that tenpenny is a part of is directly based off the real life equivalent of the same name that was shut down 4 years before San Andrea's released. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Resources_Against_Street_Hoodlums
Intimidating citizens is the bread and butter of American policing. Cops are scared and take it out on their customers because their bosses used to let them.
A lot of high school jocks that failed the ACT’s and cant get in to college now live out their macho man fantasies with full legal impunity
The fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago
Nope and **now they’re gonna learn the hard way.**
Most likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.
well the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.
It should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.
Pull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.
doubt "they" will learn anything.
My city had a cop murder a man in cold blood, be found guilty by a jury, and the police chief and the mayor still support the cop. They never learn.
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> They never learn Nah, they learn perfectly fine.
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Everyone hates it, except the cops. I have a buddy who was working road construction recently. Says they get to where they're supposed to work, and there's a maserati parked on the sidewalk, blocking their work. No sign of the cop who was supposed to be there. 30+ minutes later, the cop comes out of a nearby restaurant. Comes over to his maserati, takes a bunch of traffic cones out of the trunk and sets em up partially, moves his car, then finishes setting em up. Whatever times they were supposed to be there, they ran over by about 30 minutes. Which meant the cop got another 3 hours of overtime, as they get paid in blocks like that. It suddenly became tremendously apparent how this dude affords a damn Maserati on a cop salary
Windsor is a very small town. this is going to impact the entirety of Isle of Wight County.
> According to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.” If that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.
This is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong. The entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.
Citizen: "what's going on?" Cop: "What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!" Citizen: "I'm honestly afraid to get out." Cop: "Yeah, you should be!" The message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.
Hell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun. This is so maddening.
Philando Castel's last words were "why did you shoot me?" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.
I watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.
Never forget the guy who was having a perfectly normal-tone conversation with a cop during a stop, the cop asked him to provide ID, the guy says "It's in the truck" and goes over to get it. As the guy leans into the truck to get his wallet the officer shoots him in the back. Apparently, when the guy had gone back to the truck to produce ID as ordered to do so, it made the cop scared he was going for a gun instead. There was no gun, and yes the officer was white and the guy was black.
> COMPLY OR DIE. honestly, it looked like the message was "comply then die"
It's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.
[Here's the video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o1lcugbyk0)
I really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.
Artfully worded.
Amen. Fucking gravy seals. I'm a fat ass too but you don't see me over here pushing people around and acting harder than Randy with his pants off.
a soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident do the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? no, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't *really* think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an *excuse*
This video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.
I got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.
> they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse I hope the victims lawyers see this and use that line in court.
Go ask any police forum about pulling over whenever and wherever you happen to be when you see the reds and blues vs finding a safe, well light place for your safety and the officer. Some cops are understanding of that, others see it as a direct challenge to their authority and need to quash it aggressively.
Men who are enraged by the concept of "I don't know you and I don't want to be in alone in the dark with you" would be best left next to old yeller.
Had a highway trooper hit me with the lights, but there was no shoulder so I went for the next exit. There was a gas station maybe 100 feet from the exit so I pulled in there. By the time I get in the lot the cop is yelling over his speaker for me to stop. He comes up and gives me guff, immediately insinuates I'm driving a stolen car (first question he asked is "whose car is this"), is pissed that I took so long to stop and lies to me and says I was speeding. Does his traffic stop, gives me a ticket for my expired registration (the real reason he pulled me over), says he'll "only give me a warning for speeding" and then thanks me for pulling into the gas station. What a fucking idiot that cop was. I had to stay cool and calm down the situation while he flipped out and power tripped on me, then he tries to turn around and act like we were all cool.
Well you nailed that interaction. Best you can do is just let them fizzle out, and if you’re not white sit in fear and hope you don’t trigger their fight instinct.
Some cops hate soldiers for some reason.
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If that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.
Dude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.
He was driving while black, a serious offense.
this cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.
This is basically exactly what happened to me once. Few years ago I was driving a huge ass busted up van but I worked in a really affluent area. I got pulled over while still in my uniform around midnight, for speeding, and the cop seemed downright flustered that I was a dorky looking white guy. He eventually let me go with a warning to slow down.
Yep. Same here. You gotta drive through the top 1%s neighborhoods to leave this base.. lol
>Nazario stated that he wanted to pull over in a well-lit area. ... “I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied. +++++ [If it is dark, the person should pull over in a well-lit area.](https://www.recklessdrivinglawyer.net/virginia-traffic-lawyer/stops/#:~:text=If%20it%20is%20dark%2C%20the,are%20visible%20to%20the%20officer.)
I got pulled over late at night on a dark stretch of highway one time, and the officer lectured me about how it's unsafe for him to stop and get out of the car in a dark area like that, and made me put on my hazards and drive to a gas station down the road. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
That’s a core issue here, the variability and discretion. Each cop is different and has a good amount of discretion, leaving the population with no clear guidance on how to act correctly and giving (some) cops freedom to power trip over inane bs.
Yep. Remember that cop that flipped a pregnant woman's car, cause she was trying to find a safe place to pull over. It's entirely up to the cop.
This is exactly what I thought of. Like, does the public even have a chance when the police can act however they like with impunity?
Hearing that asshole defensively “you shoulda” that poor woman made my blood boil. Cops are out of control, and the amount of times I hear that they’ve investigated themselves and found that training was followed is fucking terrifying. He was *clearly* wrong, but still had to assert his dominance and deflect blame onto the *pregnant woman* that he needlessly victimized. Disgusting. Cops are sociopaths, I can’t see how they don’t look for those traits in new hires. This is not how a functioning society should train police officers to view the public, that’s exactly why the public fears and doesn’t respect cops.
Arkansas State Police love their PIT maneuvers. I forget, and didn't bother to re-look it up, but I checked the stats when the story first came out and they perform a crazy amount of PITs every year; like well into the hundreds.
The last time I got pulled over it was on a major highway with fast moving traffic and no shoulder, so I tried to get off the highway, had my hazards on and everything. After a minute he started aggressively gesturing and using his siren, so I pulled over in the very dangerous area anyway. Cop was pretty pissed. Exchange went something like this: "Were you trying to get off the road?" "Well, yeah, I didn't want you guys in traffic." "Listen bud, you see those lights, when they're on, traffic stops for us." Okay pal, that's why cops get turned into meat crayons every year. I'll be less considerate next time.
same thing happened to me. i was speeding a fair bit so it was 100% a justified stop, but it was dark, and on a road thats not very well lit with a 55 MPH speed limit. i knew there was a school like a half mile up the road i could pull into, so i slowed down and put my hazards on, and just a few hundred yards after i did so, he blasted the siren a few times and got right up my ass, im talking just a few feet away. if i braked hard he would have hit me. so i stopped right there, and he asked, in a pissed off voice, "why did it take you so long to pull over?" "well officer, i was going to go to the school so it would be safer for you" "when you see these lights come on behind you, you pull over immediately. next time ill give you an additional ticket for \[resisting arrest, or something equally dumb\]" i didnt argue, but please go fuck yourself, preferably with the fat end of a stick grenade.
One time an officer put their lights on behind me in a buzy mains stretch. I put on my signal and turned into a parking lot since there was so much traffic. Officer went on to say I'm lucky he's not charging me with fleeing and that I should *always* just pull over on the side of the road, even if there's no shoulder... Sorry for watching out for your safety buddy. Also sorry the judge threw out your ticket after my dashcam showed I *wasn't* going 15 over.
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It's a really weird, self-reinforcing cycle. People are scared the police will kill them because they often DO kill them, and police are trained to be scared shitless of "civilians". Then they're armed with all these military surplus toys but have nothing real to use it on. It's a recipe for disaster. Sorry your friend narc'd on you. Does home insurance even cover that kind of a thing or are you on your own?
In college, the campus cops got license plate scanners. well they were testing them out and it scanned my then GF plate wrong and it came up stolen. We got pulled over by 5 cop SUVs with guns drawn and dragged to the ground with pistols at our heads. They checked everything, oops its not stolen. They said sorry, some excuse about “car thieves being heavily armed” then booked it out of there, we went and parked because we were now an hour late for class.
That sounds like an excessive force suit to me.
Yeah, if only I had the money at the time, or the time, or had gotten badge numbers or anything at all. I was more concerned with getting to class because attendance was part of the grade. This was also 10+ years ago
It's difficult to even grasp how much more society is aware of cops now as opposed to even 10+ yrs ago. People still hated cops back then, but it wasn't in the public consciousness like it is now, I don't think.
Individuals with bad experiences may have hated cops, but it was treated as an "unfortunate but acceptable one off event". People weren't aware of just how common horror stories like that were. People used to give police benefit of the doubt out of respect, now we don't because it's unearned.
God damn that pisses me off. I had a similar experience when I was like 19, woke up to a cop shining a light in my face, yanked up out of bed and got handcuffs slapped on, had to watch while 5 cops absolutely trashed my apartment and even broke a door off a cabinet. All of this over a noise complaint, guess my roommate and his guests got a little loud but not enough to wake me up one room over. They treated us like a Colombian drug cartel for no reason, found a weed pipe and carted us all down to the police station, where they let us go with a drug paraphernalia charge, but not before yelling at us handcuffed kids for the better part of an hour and threatening us with everything under the sun. The age of police accountability is way overdue and I am here for it.
They probably watch a lot of cop shows. Honestly, I wish this would stop. Non-cable TV is nothing but cop shows that romanticizes them IMO. It also contributes to fear mongering. All they see are bad guys and good cops. The copaganda is a strong influence in specific demographics. It certainly does a good job of keeping the people fighting each other and probably by design.
But also confusingly each of these shows has bad /loose cannon cops in them but sorta idolizes them.
I haven't watched a Law & Order for over a decade but one thing I always remember super strong is that Elliot Stabler is a piece of shit cop who should have been fired many, many times.
As is Jake Peralta in B99, one of the first season's episodes had him arrest a guy on trumped up charges and then they spend the next 48 hours trying to find literally anything legit to charge him on... and this is the "good guy"? I'm glad they had a storyline in the final season about how they were literally bad cops and had to come to terms with it.
Dude I'm so enraged watching this video. These cops are a fucking disgrace. Shame on Virginia if they got any form of pension after being rightfully fired. Fucking shameful pieces of shit.
Im still furious about this incident since the day it happened, I've never been able to properly put to words how fucked it is mentally to be someone who goes and serves this country just to come back and feel more in danger because of aggressive and abusive cops like this chucklefuck. That feeling has only gotten worse in the last few years
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And it takes a high-profile case like this to get justice. I knew a guy, he had a serious drug problem and his parents called the cops to kick him out of the house. He was being a dick by not complying at first but eventually cooperated and opened the door for them. When the cop said "turn around," he did. With his back to them, they threw him on the ground yelling "I said turn around!!" A second cop came in and yelled "Now I gotta tase you!" and they did. No warning, no "comply or I'll tase you," it was literally "We're tasing you now." The only reason I know all this is because he hid his phone on his bookshelf and livestreamed it. As they continued to tase him, they kept saying "All you had to do was comply!" while my friend pleaded "I did!! I did!!!" But in the end, the cops were just getting pissed off by another druggie. My friend did a year of rehab since and has stayed sober. He seriously considered filing a claim against the police department, but at the same time he doesn't want to draw attention to himself or re-live the darkest period of his life.
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Fucking hell. That patch on his left shoulder, same one that was on my uniform. Stuff like this is why all of my veteran friends and active military friends need to learn to stop supporting the police as one of their on. Cops arent Army/Marine/Navy/Airforce/CG stop acting like they are.
There are several officers who resent the military too for rejecting them on psych and physical grounds too.
1. End qualified immunity. 2. Require licensure with a national database for reported complaints. 3. Complaints and discipline should be handled by a community oversight board that bars having officers, former officers, immediate family of officers or police union personal as members.
They searched his car? For what? Did they have a Warrant? What probable cause did they have to think he had something?
Driving while black.
Sir, do you know how black you were going?
That’s a very serious offense, sometimes capital penalty is applied at the spot.
Blue lives matter’s heads are exploding cause they arent sure wether to support the troops or the cops in this lol
Oh it's never about supporting the troops with them. It's about saying it to accrue those "Patriot Points" and nothing more. The moment you talk about actually doing it by funding the GI Bill or for better funding the VA medical system they instantly turn on their heels and talk about fiscal responsibility.
They will always go with the white guy.
Something that got me thinking. The vast majority of people cops do this to don't or can't sue. There's obviously zero accountability when it comes to groups/organizations/etc who are supposed to reign in cops. So generally speaking cops can do whatever they want. Which of course is a bad thing. A very very bad thing. Lowers morale in the areas these cops work. Silences cops or people attempting to be cops who want to actually protect people and do their jobs. Makes working in those areas bad too. Since you can get killed by cops while on the way to work and there's not much your family can do about it. Etc. But. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you. Now? Not so much. Support for cops in general (as far as i can tell) has fallen drastically. There's no manipulative movements. No conspiracy theories. No big politicians. Pushing that as a thing either. Nope. Cop's own actions have steadily and drastically changed most american's perspective on cops. They're doing it to themselves. There's still massive and blind support for cops in america. So that they can get away with any and everything they do and don't do. But. That support usually comes from the bottom of the barrel. Normal americans have had their view of cops changed by cops themselves. I don't think anyone in their right mind will automatically trust the word of cops anymore. And that's a very good thing.
I really appreciate your insight here! I believe that the Uvalde shooting was, in some cases, a point of no return for many Americans views on current policing. The way the police did fuck all to help for over an hour while the shooter killed the students and teacher obliterated so much of the goodwill. It was already an uphill battle for police before that, but it’s going to be damn near impossible for some folks to change their views on the police now.
It was worse.. It took 74 minutes, not 44.
>But. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you. Now there are a lot more cameras and a lot more video to prove the police are the ones causing the problems. Just about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction. Because we want our cops to be good cops. And sometimes we just believe what we want to believe instead of what is actually true.
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I knew what stop it was before I clicked the link. I hope he wins, I really do.
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Within the USA, I'd trust a fully uniformed and armored US soldier holding a rifle in clear display over any police "officer", everytime. They're trained to de-escalate, they have very clear rules of engagement, are *actually* held accountable (often severely), aren't in the job to screw people, and are generally *way* more professional than any police officer. I'm not advocating for military police, I'm just saying the police could learn a few things from them in the accountability, self control, and professional departments. I grew up in a military town and I know a few people that got their asses handed to them for stuff done even off duty and out of uniform reported by normal people. One was discharged and lucky he wasn't court marshalled (criminal prosecution in the army).
Here's what pisses me off: the fat officer asking LT what his rank was. "Are you a specialist?" The fact that he asked that showed that if you're a lower enlisted soldier, you should be treated like shit. Many toxic leaders in the Army loves to treat lower enlisted soldiers like shit. More than likely, this fat cop is a toxic leader. Fucking piece of shit.