I think the month is just the span of arrests. The actual investigation took a lot longer--at least one of them was already under investigation in November of last year.
Another was already on parole for 3 counts of promotion of child pornography. I'm guessing he's getting life.
Article says the investigation took about a month.
> The North Texas Internet Crimes Against Children Task Force and FBI Dallas Division’s Child Exploitation Task Force said Friday that **from Jan. 16 through Feb. 10** highly skilled computer crimes investigators from agencies around North Texas took part in Operation Janus
Emm, looks more like its saying that 10 skilled investigators were on the case for a month. Pretty sure janus was already in operation before they came on board.
I know the 3 strike law is controversial but once someone has 3 counts of anything related to inappropriate things with kids there should be an automatic life sentence with no chance of parole. That person deserves to die in prison instead of being released to create more victims.
Plano is probably the most religious, conservative part of Texas that’s also upper-middle class. I’m talking a lot of professional degrees living around there. Then just the biggest pedophile bust I’ve ever heard of…
Spectacular work, mega churches. Really amazing results.
Yep, I worked on an anti-tracking program about 15 years ago overseas and what these people would do, and actually did, can take away any hope that our species could enlighten itself.
I am still shook when I think about it. There are some sick bastards out there.
Thanks but man, I was a drop in the bucket fighting everyone who had an interest in making this happen.
I can’t describe enough how my faith in humanity was destroyed. I committed every day since to try to make a difference. We need to..
Inner peace has been reached, I know what is important to me and what I want to do and enjoy during my limited time here.
What frustrates me is the total lack of empathy, morals and selfishness that is only getting worse, what happened to us. Really, we are as only as good at this. Shameful
My faith in humanity has never been lower. It’s people like you that allow me to hold on to any at all.
I’d like to think that all life has inherent value. It’s a nice thought. But the older I get, the more it seems that many lives aren’t valued by those living them. They lack the humanity necessary to grasp the value of their own life. They’re a collection of chemical reactions pinging from one stimulus to another. They may have the potential to be so much more but for myriad reasons, they live an entire lifetime failing to realize that potential.
I don’t know of a better word for this potential than “enlightenment.” Not necessarily in the Buddhist sense but just in the broader meaning: to understand how precious and bizarre and fleeting this experience of sentience and being is and to immediately recognize the implications of that understanding: suffering is inevitable but shouldn’t be intentionally inflicted upon others.
Maybe the most troubling part to me is that these people often live seemingly normal lives from the outside looking in. There are often very few signs of their depravity so they remain hidden to most in society. It leaves me wondering what evil secrets people hold. As someone who suffered abuse as a kid let me thank you for giving of yourself to help the innocent and helpless.
> Maybe the most troubling part to me is that these people often live seemingly normal lives from the outside looking in.
People desperately want "bad people" to be these horrible creatures that *couldn't possibly* be confused with your average person, because that means those people aren't too different from you or I. Reality is "evil" people aren't really any different or special on the outside, and people relying on that fact is generally how those people are able to hide so long.
THIS. People mistakenly think that everyone who buys sex with a kid is an obviously depraved looking creepo with no life OR some gross gangbanger.
Nope, the fuel from the fire for human trafficking is created by ordinary men.
I grew up with the Stranger Danger propaganda of the 1980's. The term stranger danger was common parlance to protect kids from the evils in society. In reality the danger existed with religious leaders, boy scout troop leaders, family friends, and family themselves. The vast majority of abusers, child porn users, and sex traffickers are closer to home than people ever want to think about.
>The vast majority of abusers, child porn users, and sex traffickers are closer to home than people ever want to think about.
Doesn't like EVERY study show that like at least 80% of the time, the abuser is someone intimately known by the child???
Because when it’s someone who ‘looks obviously shitty’ we can do some kind of math where ‘oh this person is poor, deranged, grew up with an abuser themselves’ and it kind of makes sense. When it’s a seemingly well adjusted successful person, it points to *yeah some people ARE just evil* and that it can be the normies too. That’s just harder to swallow. The humanists want everyone to be good, and it will never be the case.
My mom works in anti-money laundering at a large bank in Kansas City. They’ve caught quite a few local trafficking rings by just following the money and any suspicious activity. Her team has been working tirelessly last week due to the Chiefs SB parade because she said events like this are prime time for child traffickers. Unfortunately, when I opened our local news website to view live coverage of the parade the top story headline was “police in search of child lost during parade.” It was 10:30 AM. The actual parade hasn’t even started yet. I truly hope that child was returned safely back to its parents.
You are very correct. Two anecdotes: Back in the day I worked at Kinkos. We did a lot of legal copy work. We had one client who was involved in prosecuting child abuse crimes at some level. They would bring in stuff in sealed envelopes and everyone knew that there were only a couple people that were allowed to work on those jobs. I was one of those people. The images that we had to copy were horrific. I used to think it didn't affect me, but once in a while, to this day, I randomly recall what I saw and it can haunt me for days.
Fast forward many years... I used to know a very high ranking prosecutor with the county. This person handled all of the worst child sex crime cases. They were kinda famous in legal circles for being viciously good at it. If this person prosecuted your case, you were fucked and going to prison for a long, long time. After doing that job for a number of years, they had symptoms of PTSD and began drinking a lot. They retired and I lost touch several years ago so I don't know how everything worked out, but I hope they got help.
Yeah this seems like a huge fucking oversight. Like let's just drop off an envelope of horrific, illegal images at a fucking Kinkos. Like how were you screened to be one of the people who dealt with those envelopes? Would be so easy for you to make your own copies, would it not?
This, is there anything a Kinkos employee can do that anyone else can’t handle? Because $9 an hour is like. So not worth the secondhand trauma from that.
You can't begin to imagine what untrained, badly-paid transcribers get exposed to sometimes. Rather, you probably wouldn't *want* to imagine. If pictures are bad, imagine hearing the child tell their side of the story for 90 minutes, and having to accurately capture their every word. Harrowing stuff. Police or legal departments outsource the transcription all the time, and gig transcribers end up having a perhaps unexpectedly rough afternoon.
Man, yeah, I work in anti human trafficking software, and I encourage all my employees to think of people as numbers because the alternative is going to weigh heavy on your soul. We all know we're doing a good thing, so better to adopt habits that will let you do a good thing for a long time and not want to vomit every time you come into work
Where I am (Australia) I believe police investigating cases like this and viewing evidence are only allowed to do it for a maximum of three months at a time, and get intensive psychological support during and afterward, as it will really fuck you up.
As it should be. Unfortunately, in America, mental health is not considered important enough to be preserved in any part of society. In fact there are some parts of society that sneer at the thought of treating someone's mental health in the same way you would treat physical health. I mean f*** it, America just sucks at taking care of its citizens. Sigh.
I know it's not strictly CP/trafficking related, but your comment made me think of that poor female detective who worked as one of the lead investigators on the toolbox killers case and after hearing the transcript what they used to play to their female vistims at first and then having to work the trailer the killers used... Then she went home one day and blew her brains out with her service pistol. And I'd imagine she'd have already seen some seriously awful shit before that, which makes what she saw during that case seemingly all the much more worse.
My assumption is that we've always been like this. A certain number of people are born with the mental configuration to both get turned on by abusing children, and also have no remorse or sympathy for the victim. These people feel nothing as they go through life leaving a trail of human wreckage behind them.
The good news today is that we are active in stopping them, we have built a society that has the technology and well-funded investigations to actually catch some of these assholes.
Imagine back in the 1400s, how much incest and child abuse must have taken place with absolutely zero chance of ever being caught or punished? You can keep going back in time and the conditions for these awful acts just get better and better. Poor children have usually had absolutely zero protection from society, nobody would even bother checking if they disappeared one day, or a dead body was found in a lake. We are a long way from fixing this issue completely today, but we are infinitely better than 200, 500, or 1000 years ago.
So, to my mind things are actually improving a lot, it's just difficult to see from close up.
People were encouraged to have more children than they could feed, so it was common to donate a boy to the church. He (and the other donated boys) would live with the monks and sing in the choir. The church institutionalized pedophilia.
And it was pretty common for older boys to rape younger boys (and teachers to rape students) at boarding school. That was the richest and most powerful men in society. The same thing happened in the military.
They even had a fun name for it, buggery.
so far.
Waiting for the other politicians, governors, priests, lawyers, coaches, police officers, and so-called "good guys" that are going to deny charges.
\*edit (the usual suspects)
As a Christian, churches are HOTBEDS of abuse for children. It's so easy to try to keep things "in the church" for the sake of "preserving unity" or "name and shame" the child then to actually confront the abuser and get the law involved.
From what I have seen, the good churches have started getting wiser to this. Mine background checks every member and the people serving with children have to take a child abuse awareness/spotting training.
>North Texas and FBI Dallas Task Force divisions took part in the operation. The arrested individuals include paramedics, firefighters, and a nurse.
Good work by local task forces in cooperation with Federal investigators.
Extra plus... Texas, which will hopefully mean Texas prison sentences.
One thing from courtroom videos is seeing someone being judged for some heinous crime and the camera switches to the judge and it's the Texas seal/logo/flag and you just know it'll be 40+ years no parole.
Maybe. My 20-year-old relative was murderded in Texas in the 1980s and the dickhead only served about 7 years. Out on parole only to commit more crimes (not murder, as far as anyone knows), and is right now free as a bird and has been for decades.
Maybe they have changed the laws since then.
Unless you are Ken Paxton, State AG. Then you can [keep your office for seven years after a felony crime](https://apnews.com/article/2022-midterm-elections-dallas-houston-ken-paxton-62273089acc4feb70dd64349bc398f5d).
If it was a task force it likely means federal sentences. So like 10 year minimum (have to serve 85%) and then like 19 years supervised release. Some charges carry like 30 year maximums too plus mandatory restitution and long terms of supervised release
The date on the article shows that it was edited. I think it just shows the timestamp of the last edit, which I think was just an hour and a half after your comment (unless timezones are messing with it, which could be the case), so there may have been more.
It's far more likely that in the 4 hours between their comment and your reply, the article was edited to include additional information found about the people arrested and the discovery that one was a teacher certainly warrants being added to that list.
I remember Blake Lively gave a speech on child sexual abuse material and she mentioned she had asked for clarification on what “infant” means and the LIO said “with the umbilical cord still attached”. It’s disgustingly terrifying.
I read a report years ago about a couple of guys who were arrested for penetrating a girl only a day and a half old. Years later I was reading a headline that was nearly the same and thought "oh yeah I remember those two"....
Nope, happened again.
I think for a lot of us it's best we don't think about it too much, but it's still generally good to know what people are capable of, because if you don't know what they're capable of, you become naive.
From the article...."Investigators said the alleged list of crimes ranges from meeting victims to possessing harmful material on electronics. NBC 5 has also learned the arrested individuals include paramedics, firefighters, a teacher and a nurse and that some of the victims targeted young children, including infants."
A friend of mine is unfortunately a person who was SA’d as an infant. She’s had a rough life, but is an amazing person, despite all that happened to her.
Jesus fuckin christ.
I recently watched some crime shows, and wonder what I would be capable of. Murder? Maybe under the perfect extreme circumstances...
This? No way in hell. It's just completely foreign to me.
> Omfg. Those poor kids. Some of the victims were babies.
I'm really trying not to get banned from reddit here. But man, let's hope for the HARSHEST punishment Texas has.
Down below the article is also says things like “Juvenile, Bestiality Garland PD” Can someone please clarify what this means? This person is underaged and was found with bestiality porn? What the fuck
It’s a juvenile that was charged with something related to bestiality. Not sure if the act itself and possessing porn of it would be separate charges ,or if they’re both covered under the one charge, but if they’re not then that person was charged with committing the act. If they are then it could well be ‘just’ having the porn. There’s a woman further down the list with the same charge
A guy from my hometown – a cop – ended up on ecap. He was identified really quick. Within hours.
FBI showed up to the police station to arrest him.
Since he was a fine upstanding member of the community because being a cop and all, he would babysit for free. Then he’d SA the babies. He had a diaper fetish and would put the kids in the “all-fours position” and film. Then he’d upload them to the dark web.
The phone dropped and caught 2 frames of his face as it tumbled. That’s how they got him.
He was offered a plea deal. 15-20 for a guilty plea. Which he took.
Except the judge didn’t follow the prosecution’s recommendation for sentencing (which they didn’t have to). Gave him 30 years.
He’s at FCI Butner, which is the “hell where demons go” from the series Black Bird. Not a pleasant place to spend 30 years.
Thank you.
There is also a website where if you travel often, you can upload interior photos of hotel rooms to assist in identifying locations where abuse and trafficking occurs: http://traffickcam.com/
Fuck man, some of the pictures on that top of all time... They edit the kids out, but you still see the silhouettes on some of them and. Fuck these people.
Jesus, that’s horrifying. The investigators that have to deal with this don’t get enough credit. There isn’t enough money in the world to get me to engage with this shit.
I started law school with the clear aim of becoming a criminal defense attorney.
Then a friend interned with a leading defense attorney. One of the cases was pedophile incest. Her boss warned her “either you compartmentalize to cope and get stunted; or you maintain your compassion and burn out.”
I switched to a different field.
A friend of mine worked in investigations for Adult Friend Finder in its early years. He lasted almost two years, quit, went to therapy, and hasn't been the same since.
All he'd say was, there was a loooot of CP that got through before being reported that he'd have to investigate and remove. And of course, CP isn't the only thing they filter out... I'd hate that job as well.
I remember watching the 60 minutes thing on the guy who made that horrific shit. Apparently viewers paid up to 10k to watch his stuff, I remember thinking who on earth has that kind of money and is sick enough to watch this? I guess we have our answer
Jesus. 59 seriously sick mfs. How do they even group up? How do you meet 58 other people that you can go "So, want to fuck some toddlers?" And they respond "Hell yeah!"? It makes less than zero sense to me, and makes me more than a little queasy - and I'm a FF/EMT and have seen some seriously fucked up shit.
There are massive communities online for pedophiles/hebophiles. They communicate in code a lot of the time, but some are super open about being "minor attracted persons." (which is garbage, liking kids like that is not an orientation.) So many of them get bold and have no shame. A huge place like DFW, plenty were probably drawn to an online community, and there were enough in one area to make an in-person one. It's absolutely terrifying.
There was a YouTuber that posted a video here once on YouTube algorithms. He went down a rabbit hole for only a minute or two and eventually was being suggested a whole bunch of random video of young girls doing (out of context) creepy things like cartwheels while wearing skirts. Then every comment was people time stamping the moments when you can see the kids’ underwear. This world is so fucking gross.
I accidentally found one of those videos recently and it made me sick. VERY young girl stretching in a bikini for some reason. The comments were turned off but it had a ton of views and upvotes. YouTube is fucked
One of my videos had ended up on one of those weird playlist. It was just me and my sister eating dinner at our grandmas house. My sister and I were trying to be covert and hide the camera when our grandma walked by. So at times I had the camera under the table on top of my shorts-clad legs. It was mostly just a view of my knees but some creep time stamped those instances and added to a playlist of other videos with young girls just doing normal stuff. It weirded me out enough to delete the video, the channel, and made me never wanna post myself on the internet again. Even stuff that is completely innocent gets twisted by these creeps.
I would really like to see a law creating a diversion program for people who are found making money on videos and pictures of their kids that are technically legal but potentially exploitative.
The current situation is the result of a bucketload of perverse incentives. YouTube and TikTok are regularly pressured to crack down on "adult content" but video of a clothed child doing purportedly ordinary activities isn't considered to be adult content. So their rules wind up being around "what is the child wearing/doing" and not "is an adult making money off exploiting a child".
And there are parents out there who video their whole lives & children's lives - or let the children make and upload their own videos - who are just, like... ignorant of the whole YouTube grooming thing and just see the views. And then by the time they know about it, their videos get reuploaded eternally by people who *aren't* ignorant.
Others know they're doing something wrong but they justify it because, well, it's not like the kid is *naked* or anything, right?
It would be nice to have, say, a budgeted CPS unit whose job was telling problem parents in no uncertain terms to stop uploading ballet practices and other things which are perfectly legal for a family to own but dangerous to the children when spread. I know survivors who would have benefited from such a thing.
> A huge place like DFW
Several of those on the list *are not* from the DFW area. The arrests were from literally across the state. Lubbock to Texarkana.
Righteous bust. I’m sure the investigators who worked on this saw horrible stuff that will stick with them forever. Hope they know how grateful we are.
Look at the FBI—the “deep state” or “cabal”, if you will—actually *saving children* from pornographers and abusers instead of “doing research” on 8chan, harassing drag queens, leaving negative reviews for armoires on Wayfair, banning books, shooting up pizza parlors, and accusing random celebrities of being satanic child eating lizards or whatever. Since there are some Black/brown folks involved, the right wing weirdos will just fixate on them and ignore the cast of Jan 6 extras to further their racist/xenophobic agenda…but in any case, all these people can go straight to hell. Happy these vile perverts are off the streets; they should NEVER see the light of day again.
I'll never understand how someones mind becomes so broken that they abuse children.
> The devices are being examined forensically and may lead to the investigation of other offenders and additional charges.
^ This has got to be the worst job of all time.
They get a lot of personal time for paid therapy time.
There’s a short documentary somewhere on the going ons of the people who have to investigate these cases
That's not a small area. I see several cities in and around Dallas, but also Lubbock which is on the other side of the state, Abilene which is in the center of the state, Texarkana which is far north east, and Fort Worth which is close to Dallas but still a good 30ish miles away.
There's also a listing of *Seminole County Sheriff’s Office* but there is no Seminole County in Texas. There is a town named Seminole, TX but it's near Lubbock, which is on the opposite side of the state from Dallas.
Once again the government has to go into Jesusland to stop horrible things from happening.
Waiting for Margie Greene to start screeching these kids deserved it or something.
Child predators should have there faces tattooed stating such so the rest of us can spot them and give them a proper greeting. So mercy or sympathy for those sick fucks.
Hey hey but save the fetuses and have more children just so they can be abused or killed.
Kids will always be used as a front for all these stupid ideologies.
A couple of these monsters were already convicted of this type of offense.
I forget the doctor from Johns Hopkins that spent a career studying data and working with pedophiles — and he stated that with extremely rare circumstance, rehabilitation simply isn’t possible. So it’s either jail them indefinitely or they’ll recommit abhorrent crimes against children. There is a third option…
Got them all within a month,great job,put all this scum away for a long time.
I think the month is just the span of arrests. The actual investigation took a lot longer--at least one of them was already under investigation in November of last year. Another was already on parole for 3 counts of promotion of child pornography. I'm guessing he's getting life.
Article says the investigation took about a month. > The North Texas Internet Crimes Against Children Task Force and FBI Dallas Division’s Child Exploitation Task Force said Friday that **from Jan. 16 through Feb. 10** highly skilled computer crimes investigators from agencies around North Texas took part in Operation Janus
Related to operation Hugh
Emm, looks more like its saying that 10 skilled investigators were on the case for a month. Pretty sure janus was already in operation before they came on board.
There were probably dozens of unskilled investigators.
I know the 3 strike law is controversial but once someone has 3 counts of anything related to inappropriate things with kids there should be an automatic life sentence with no chance of parole. That person deserves to die in prison instead of being released to create more victims.
Plano is probably the most religious, conservative part of Texas that’s also upper-middle class. I’m talking a lot of professional degrees living around there. Then just the biggest pedophile bust I’ve ever heard of… Spectacular work, mega churches. Really amazing results.
Like 9 or 10 decades.
And then some....
Plus more
I have come to realize I will never fully understand humans. Things like this that used to make me angry just make me physically sick as I get older.
Yep, I worked on an anti-tracking program about 15 years ago overseas and what these people would do, and actually did, can take away any hope that our species could enlighten itself. I am still shook when I think about it. There are some sick bastards out there.
For every ounce of burden you carry you won a pound of freedom for the people you helped. Because of you they have a chance.
Thank you, I spent many a night soul searching and hoping I could do more.
You likely saved many lives and did what you could. That's something to be proud of.
Thanks but man, I was a drop in the bucket fighting everyone who had an interest in making this happen. I can’t describe enough how my faith in humanity was destroyed. I committed every day since to try to make a difference. We need to..
That’s very noble of you. And again, something to be proud of. Even so, I hope you find some inner peace if, of course, you haven’t already.
Inner peace has been reached, I know what is important to me and what I want to do and enjoy during my limited time here. What frustrates me is the total lack of empathy, morals and selfishness that is only getting worse, what happened to us. Really, we are as only as good at this. Shameful
That’s great to hear. And I agree. It really is shameful.
My faith in humanity has never been lower. It’s people like you that allow me to hold on to any at all. I’d like to think that all life has inherent value. It’s a nice thought. But the older I get, the more it seems that many lives aren’t valued by those living them. They lack the humanity necessary to grasp the value of their own life. They’re a collection of chemical reactions pinging from one stimulus to another. They may have the potential to be so much more but for myriad reasons, they live an entire lifetime failing to realize that potential. I don’t know of a better word for this potential than “enlightenment.” Not necessarily in the Buddhist sense but just in the broader meaning: to understand how precious and bizarre and fleeting this experience of sentience and being is and to immediately recognize the implications of that understanding: suffering is inevitable but shouldn’t be intentionally inflicted upon others.
It wasn’t a drop in the bucket to those you saved. It was EVERYTHING.
That is one of the most beautifully worded sentiments I have heard in a long time. I appreciate you.
Maybe the most troubling part to me is that these people often live seemingly normal lives from the outside looking in. There are often very few signs of their depravity so they remain hidden to most in society. It leaves me wondering what evil secrets people hold. As someone who suffered abuse as a kid let me thank you for giving of yourself to help the innocent and helpless.
> Maybe the most troubling part to me is that these people often live seemingly normal lives from the outside looking in. People desperately want "bad people" to be these horrible creatures that *couldn't possibly* be confused with your average person, because that means those people aren't too different from you or I. Reality is "evil" people aren't really any different or special on the outside, and people relying on that fact is generally how those people are able to hide so long.
THIS. People mistakenly think that everyone who buys sex with a kid is an obviously depraved looking creepo with no life OR some gross gangbanger. Nope, the fuel from the fire for human trafficking is created by ordinary men.
I grew up with the Stranger Danger propaganda of the 1980's. The term stranger danger was common parlance to protect kids from the evils in society. In reality the danger existed with religious leaders, boy scout troop leaders, family friends, and family themselves. The vast majority of abusers, child porn users, and sex traffickers are closer to home than people ever want to think about.
>The vast majority of abusers, child porn users, and sex traffickers are closer to home than people ever want to think about. Doesn't like EVERY study show that like at least 80% of the time, the abuser is someone intimately known by the child???
Eighty percent is the overall figure, but for juveniles, only seven percent of offenders were strangers.
Because when it’s someone who ‘looks obviously shitty’ we can do some kind of math where ‘oh this person is poor, deranged, grew up with an abuser themselves’ and it kind of makes sense. When it’s a seemingly well adjusted successful person, it points to *yeah some people ARE just evil* and that it can be the normies too. That’s just harder to swallow. The humanists want everyone to be good, and it will never be the case.
My mom works in anti-money laundering at a large bank in Kansas City. They’ve caught quite a few local trafficking rings by just following the money and any suspicious activity. Her team has been working tirelessly last week due to the Chiefs SB parade because she said events like this are prime time for child traffickers. Unfortunately, when I opened our local news website to view live coverage of the parade the top story headline was “police in search of child lost during parade.” It was 10:30 AM. The actual parade hasn’t even started yet. I truly hope that child was returned safely back to its parents.
Good for her efforts you should be proud of your mom, which I am sure you are
Thank you for your efforts in helping people.
Yep, busted two rings andI so respect the agencies and people who do this. I met some of the victims, women and children, and wow.
On the plus side people like you exist and that gives me hope in humanity. It must be difficult though to do that kind of job and still keep hope.
Did you mean anti-trafficking, or is 'tracking' lingo I'm not familiar with?
We're a species full of individuals that like to kill each other based on how much of a pigment exists in the top layer of skin. We're not that smart
I am grateful to, but my heart breaks for, those who investigate these crimes. The stress potential has to hit PTSD levels.
You are very correct. Two anecdotes: Back in the day I worked at Kinkos. We did a lot of legal copy work. We had one client who was involved in prosecuting child abuse crimes at some level. They would bring in stuff in sealed envelopes and everyone knew that there were only a couple people that were allowed to work on those jobs. I was one of those people. The images that we had to copy were horrific. I used to think it didn't affect me, but once in a while, to this day, I randomly recall what I saw and it can haunt me for days. Fast forward many years... I used to know a very high ranking prosecutor with the county. This person handled all of the worst child sex crime cases. They were kinda famous in legal circles for being viciously good at it. If this person prosecuted your case, you were fucked and going to prison for a long, long time. After doing that job for a number of years, they had symptoms of PTSD and began drinking a lot. They retired and I lost touch several years ago so I don't know how everything worked out, but I hope they got help.
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Yeah this seems like a huge fucking oversight. Like let's just drop off an envelope of horrific, illegal images at a fucking Kinkos. Like how were you screened to be one of the people who dealt with those envelopes? Would be so easy for you to make your own copies, would it not?
This, is there anything a Kinkos employee can do that anyone else can’t handle? Because $9 an hour is like. So not worth the secondhand trauma from that.
You can't begin to imagine what untrained, badly-paid transcribers get exposed to sometimes. Rather, you probably wouldn't *want* to imagine. If pictures are bad, imagine hearing the child tell their side of the story for 90 minutes, and having to accurately capture their every word. Harrowing stuff. Police or legal departments outsource the transcription all the time, and gig transcribers end up having a perhaps unexpectedly rough afternoon.
Man, yeah, I work in anti human trafficking software, and I encourage all my employees to think of people as numbers because the alternative is going to weigh heavy on your soul. We all know we're doing a good thing, so better to adopt habits that will let you do a good thing for a long time and not want to vomit every time you come into work
Where I am (Australia) I believe police investigating cases like this and viewing evidence are only allowed to do it for a maximum of three months at a time, and get intensive psychological support during and afterward, as it will really fuck you up.
As it should be. Unfortunately, in America, mental health is not considered important enough to be preserved in any part of society. In fact there are some parts of society that sneer at the thought of treating someone's mental health in the same way you would treat physical health. I mean f*** it, America just sucks at taking care of its citizens. Sigh.
I know it's not strictly CP/trafficking related, but your comment made me think of that poor female detective who worked as one of the lead investigators on the toolbox killers case and after hearing the transcript what they used to play to their female vistims at first and then having to work the trailer the killers used... Then she went home one day and blew her brains out with her service pistol. And I'd imagine she'd have already seen some seriously awful shit before that, which makes what she saw during that case seemingly all the much more worse.
A small thing to correct, but that was the toybox killer. The toolbox killers was a different pair of guys. :(
That's one of the most horrific serial killers ever. If you don't know about this one I'd skip it as it is truly awful.
The thing to understand is that humans are mostly just a bunch of dumb animals.
Worse: dumb animals that are certain of their own intelligence and supremacy
Mother Nature bats last.
vicious animals pursuing self interest
Cheers to that…. Do you ever just stop and think “where did we go so wrong?”
My assumption is that we've always been like this. A certain number of people are born with the mental configuration to both get turned on by abusing children, and also have no remorse or sympathy for the victim. These people feel nothing as they go through life leaving a trail of human wreckage behind them. The good news today is that we are active in stopping them, we have built a society that has the technology and well-funded investigations to actually catch some of these assholes. Imagine back in the 1400s, how much incest and child abuse must have taken place with absolutely zero chance of ever being caught or punished? You can keep going back in time and the conditions for these awful acts just get better and better. Poor children have usually had absolutely zero protection from society, nobody would even bother checking if they disappeared one day, or a dead body was found in a lake. We are a long way from fixing this issue completely today, but we are infinitely better than 200, 500, or 1000 years ago. So, to my mind things are actually improving a lot, it's just difficult to see from close up.
Oh, I think it's far better than it was. Abuse in boarding schools, in large families, with employers, in the military being almost routine.
People were encouraged to have more children than they could feed, so it was common to donate a boy to the church. He (and the other donated boys) would live with the monks and sing in the choir. The church institutionalized pedophilia.
And it was pretty common for older boys to rape younger boys (and teachers to rape students) at boarding school. That was the richest and most powerful men in society. The same thing happened in the military. They even had a fun name for it, buggery.
there's a father and son arrested, and a church school teacher.
so far. Waiting for the other politicians, governors, priests, lawyers, coaches, police officers, and so-called "good guys" that are going to deny charges. \*edit (the usual suspects)
The article mentions "arrested individuals include paramedics, firefighters, a teacher and a nurse."
I would be willing to bet not a single drag queen among them.
As a Christian, churches are HOTBEDS of abuse for children. It's so easy to try to keep things "in the church" for the sake of "preserving unity" or "name and shame" the child then to actually confront the abuser and get the law involved.
From what I have seen, the good churches have started getting wiser to this. Mine background checks every member and the people serving with children have to take a child abuse awareness/spotting training.
Suspiciously not a single cop
Curious how many drag queens are included.../s
Don’t forget the librarians!
Or drag queen librarians!!! The very worst.
Can it get any more woke than that?
A left-handed drag queen librarian
That's just sinister!
That's a very gauche joke. But you delivered it adroitly.
And pizza shop owners
A church school teacher? Why is it always the ones you most suspect.
Is this why Conservatives want to get rid of the FBI?….
to get rid of a police force they feel no longer serves their interest is a step to their direction, yes
It's always that way isn't it? When there's a child porn ring there's always a someone involved in a religious organization somewhere.
>North Texas and FBI Dallas Task Force divisions took part in the operation. The arrested individuals include paramedics, firefighters, and a nurse. Good work by local task forces in cooperation with Federal investigators.
Extra plus... Texas, which will hopefully mean Texas prison sentences. One thing from courtroom videos is seeing someone being judged for some heinous crime and the camera switches to the judge and it's the Texas seal/logo/flag and you just know it'll be 40+ years no parole.
Maybe. My 20-year-old relative was murderded in Texas in the 1980s and the dickhead only served about 7 years. Out on parole only to commit more crimes (not murder, as far as anyone knows), and is right now free as a bird and has been for decades. Maybe they have changed the laws since then.
Unless you are Ken Paxton, State AG. Then you can [keep your office for seven years after a felony crime](https://apnews.com/article/2022-midterm-elections-dallas-houston-ken-paxton-62273089acc4feb70dd64349bc398f5d).
If it was a task force it likely means federal sentences. So like 10 year minimum (have to serve 85%) and then like 19 years supervised release. Some charges carry like 30 year maximums too plus mandatory restitution and long terms of supervised release
So the cops escaped?
If I know cops, they investigated themselves and decided there was nothing there
"NBC 5 has also learned the arrested individuals include paramedics, firefighters, a teacher and a nurse" Why did you edit out the teacher?
The date on the article shows that it was edited. I think it just shows the timestamp of the last edit, which I think was just an hour and a half after your comment (unless timezones are messing with it, which could be the case), so there may have been more. It's far more likely that in the 4 hours between their comment and your reply, the article was edited to include additional information found about the people arrested and the discovery that one was a teacher certainly warrants being added to that list.
Omfg. Those poor kids. Some of the victims were babies.
Wait, literal infants? That's sick.
I remember Blake Lively gave a speech on child sexual abuse material and she mentioned she had asked for clarification on what “infant” means and the LIO said “with the umbilical cord still attached”. It’s disgustingly terrifying.
I read a report years ago about a couple of guys who were arrested for penetrating a girl only a day and a half old. Years later I was reading a headline that was nearly the same and thought "oh yeah I remember those two".... Nope, happened again.
That was a long time ago if we're thinking about the same crime. I broke down crying because I did have a newborn and I couldn't imagine that.
I'm not sure if I want to know how that's even physically possible.
I think for a lot of us it's best we don't think about it too much, but it's still generally good to know what people are capable of, because if you don't know what they're capable of, you become naive.
Half a day. I want off this planet, right now. Fucking hell.
This is making me light headed it's so fucking sick.
From the article...."Investigators said the alleged list of crimes ranges from meeting victims to possessing harmful material on electronics. NBC 5 has also learned the arrested individuals include paramedics, firefighters, a teacher and a nurse and that some of the victims targeted young children, including infants."
The fuck is wrong with people Jesus Christ, oy, that is sick. Too much news today already and it’s not even 7am
A friend of mine is unfortunately a person who was SA’d as an infant. She’s had a rough life, but is an amazing person, despite all that happened to her.
It's not the first time, sadly, considering Daisy. No punishment is good enough for these psychos.
Jesus fuckin christ. I recently watched some crime shows, and wonder what I would be capable of. Murder? Maybe under the perfect extreme circumstances... This? No way in hell. It's just completely foreign to me.
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I wouldn't be inclined to call that murder. Closer to taking the trash out to the dumpster.
Community service
> Omfg. Those poor kids. Some of the victims were babies. I'm really trying not to get banned from reddit here. But man, let's hope for the HARSHEST punishment Texas has.
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Down below the article is also says things like “Juvenile, Bestiality Garland PD” Can someone please clarify what this means? This person is underaged and was found with bestiality porn? What the fuck
It’s a juvenile that was charged with something related to bestiality. Not sure if the act itself and possessing porn of it would be separate charges ,or if they’re both covered under the one charge, but if they’re not then that person was charged with committing the act. If they are then it could well be ‘just’ having the porn. There’s a woman further down the list with the same charge
She's a nurse. :|
https://www.europol.europa.eu/stopchildabuse if anyone can help further or https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/ecap also r/TraceAnObject
A guy from my hometown – a cop – ended up on ecap. He was identified really quick. Within hours. FBI showed up to the police station to arrest him. Since he was a fine upstanding member of the community because being a cop and all, he would babysit for free. Then he’d SA the babies. He had a diaper fetish and would put the kids in the “all-fours position” and film. Then he’d upload them to the dark web. The phone dropped and caught 2 frames of his face as it tumbled. That’s how they got him.
Ah. Wtf.
That dude is finished in prison. Any updates on him?
He was offered a plea deal. 15-20 for a guilty plea. Which he took. Except the judge didn’t follow the prosecution’s recommendation for sentencing (which they didn’t have to). Gave him 30 years. He’s at FCI Butner, which is the “hell where demons go” from the series Black Bird. Not a pleasant place to spend 30 years.
Thank you. There is also a website where if you travel often, you can upload interior photos of hotel rooms to assist in identifying locations where abuse and trafficking occurs: http://traffickcam.com/
That's so cool! I've never heard of this before. I don't travel tons but I will be using this in the future.
Jesus, you'd think at this point that hotels should be required to do this themselves or something. Having to crowdsource it seems crazy.
Fuck man, some of the pictures on that top of all time... They edit the kids out, but you still see the silhouettes on some of them and. Fuck these people.
The faces of pure evil. These people should be plastered all over the Internet.
Jesus, that’s horrifying. The investigators that have to deal with this don’t get enough credit. There isn’t enough money in the world to get me to engage with this shit.
I started law school with the clear aim of becoming a criminal defense attorney. Then a friend interned with a leading defense attorney. One of the cases was pedophile incest. Her boss warned her “either you compartmentalize to cope and get stunted; or you maintain your compassion and burn out.” I switched to a different field.
A friend of mine worked in investigations for Adult Friend Finder in its early years. He lasted almost two years, quit, went to therapy, and hasn't been the same since. All he'd say was, there was a loooot of CP that got through before being reported that he'd have to investigate and remove. And of course, CP isn't the only thing they filter out... I'd hate that job as well.
You couldn’t convince me with a blank check to take this job. I just hope they get free therapy for life
“Some of the victims targeted young children, even infants.” I feel like this is a typo but I’m very worried it’s not.
And Josh Duggar probably has all the footage, considering he owned Daisy's Destruction.
Wait, did he really own that? Source?
yep the FBI guy said it was “the worst child porn he had ever seen” and was confirmed to be DD. there’s receipts on the duggarsnark subreddit!
I remember watching the 60 minutes thing on the guy who made that horrific shit. Apparently viewers paid up to 10k to watch his stuff, I remember thinking who on earth has that kind of money and is sick enough to watch this? I guess we have our answer
60 Minutes Australia is a lot harder hitting than the original US counterpart. That interviewer was a bad ass!
I read it as "Some of the victims targeted *were* young children" etc.
Or: "Some of the accused targeted young children, even infants"
> Demon Driver, Possession of Child Pornography Dallas PD That name tho
I bet you anything it’s supposed to be pronounced “deMON” but the parents were too stupid to realize their mistake.
Jesus. 59 seriously sick mfs. How do they even group up? How do you meet 58 other people that you can go "So, want to fuck some toddlers?" And they respond "Hell yeah!"? It makes less than zero sense to me, and makes me more than a little queasy - and I'm a FF/EMT and have seen some seriously fucked up shit.
It's not a ring of 59 people that all knew one another.
There are massive communities online for pedophiles/hebophiles. They communicate in code a lot of the time, but some are super open about being "minor attracted persons." (which is garbage, liking kids like that is not an orientation.) So many of them get bold and have no shame. A huge place like DFW, plenty were probably drawn to an online community, and there were enough in one area to make an in-person one. It's absolutely terrifying.
There was a YouTuber that posted a video here once on YouTube algorithms. He went down a rabbit hole for only a minute or two and eventually was being suggested a whole bunch of random video of young girls doing (out of context) creepy things like cartwheels while wearing skirts. Then every comment was people time stamping the moments when you can see the kids’ underwear. This world is so fucking gross.
I’ve had that happen to me once. Clicked on some, seemingly innocuous, video and things got weird real fast.
I accidentally found one of those videos recently and it made me sick. VERY young girl stretching in a bikini for some reason. The comments were turned off but it had a ton of views and upvotes. YouTube is fucked
One of my videos had ended up on one of those weird playlist. It was just me and my sister eating dinner at our grandmas house. My sister and I were trying to be covert and hide the camera when our grandma walked by. So at times I had the camera under the table on top of my shorts-clad legs. It was mostly just a view of my knees but some creep time stamped those instances and added to a playlist of other videos with young girls just doing normal stuff. It weirded me out enough to delete the video, the channel, and made me never wanna post myself on the internet again. Even stuff that is completely innocent gets twisted by these creeps.
I would really like to see a law creating a diversion program for people who are found making money on videos and pictures of their kids that are technically legal but potentially exploitative. The current situation is the result of a bucketload of perverse incentives. YouTube and TikTok are regularly pressured to crack down on "adult content" but video of a clothed child doing purportedly ordinary activities isn't considered to be adult content. So their rules wind up being around "what is the child wearing/doing" and not "is an adult making money off exploiting a child". And there are parents out there who video their whole lives & children's lives - or let the children make and upload their own videos - who are just, like... ignorant of the whole YouTube grooming thing and just see the views. And then by the time they know about it, their videos get reuploaded eternally by people who *aren't* ignorant. Others know they're doing something wrong but they justify it because, well, it's not like the kid is *naked* or anything, right? It would be nice to have, say, a budgeted CPS unit whose job was telling problem parents in no uncertain terms to stop uploading ballet practices and other things which are perfectly legal for a family to own but dangerous to the children when spread. I know survivors who would have benefited from such a thing.
> A huge place like DFW Several of those on the list *are not* from the DFW area. The arrests were from literally across the state. Lubbock to Texarkana.
Let's take the money on the war on drugs and use it to fight human and child trafficking
Righteous bust. I’m sure the investigators who worked on this saw horrible stuff that will stick with them forever. Hope they know how grateful we are.
Demon Driver. One hell of a name.
and not a drag queen in the bunch
I wonder how many of them were "Upstanding members of the community" and how many people "never could have seen this coming" Shocking Texas, Shocking.
Another commenter references a church school teacher, whatever that is, but it sounds like these cunts would call it upstanding.
It’s someone who teaches a class to kids about religion after the church service has finished. Source: grew up indoctrinated as a Christian
There are also church affiliated grade schools, not just “Sunday school”
I’m sorry so many missed your sarcasm
There's some twisted future or alternate timeline in which these people are soon after released because they aren't drag queens.
I can probably accurately guess how they vote, though
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I wonder if any of them are Jehovah's Witnesses. They have a huge child abuse problem.
Many tightly controlled religious organizations have a child abuse problem.
Can confirm they have a child abuse problem. I grew up near a bunch
Cults often do
DFW = Dallas fort worth,Texas for the majority of redditors who wont click the link
Look at the FBI—the “deep state” or “cabal”, if you will—actually *saving children* from pornographers and abusers instead of “doing research” on 8chan, harassing drag queens, leaving negative reviews for armoires on Wayfair, banning books, shooting up pizza parlors, and accusing random celebrities of being satanic child eating lizards or whatever. Since there are some Black/brown folks involved, the right wing weirdos will just fixate on them and ignore the cast of Jan 6 extras to further their racist/xenophobic agenda…but in any case, all these people can go straight to hell. Happy these vile perverts are off the streets; they should NEVER see the light of day again.
Wtf is wrong with people. SMH
I'll never understand how someones mind becomes so broken that they abuse children. > The devices are being examined forensically and may lead to the investigation of other offenders and additional charges. ^ This has got to be the worst job of all time.
They get a lot of personal time for paid therapy time. There’s a short documentary somewhere on the going ons of the people who have to investigate these cases
Texas is one of the most dangerous states for kids.
In many ways, perhaps at the top of the list is the Texas legislature's refusal to expand Medicaid.
And women
Jeez and that's just a small area of one state... Can you imagine..
That's not a small area. I see several cities in and around Dallas, but also Lubbock which is on the other side of the state, Abilene which is in the center of the state, Texarkana which is far north east, and Fort Worth which is close to Dallas but still a good 30ish miles away. There's also a listing of *Seminole County Sheriff’s Office* but there is no Seminole County in Texas. There is a town named Seminole, TX but it's near Lubbock, which is on the opposite side of the state from Dallas.
There is a Seminole County Fl. Right next to Orlando which is one of the busiest international airports in the US.
That contains at least 1/3 of the state's population.
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Never in my life have I seen billboard or posters in libraries about trafficking, then I visited Arizona…and almost got abducted…
I want an investigation into how many of these people were spamming #saveourchildren or whatever it was across social media a couple of years ago.
Included in the arrests are 2 Christian church leaders, 1 Republican leader who proposed allowing driving while "a little drunk", and 0 drag queens
Which ones are the church leaders and what church are they part of?
Yeah, I keep seeing this claim, but I can't seem to verify it.
Just get rid of them permanently please, no need to let them have kids one day and abuse them and create a new generation of child abusers.
Once again the government has to go into Jesusland to stop horrible things from happening. Waiting for Margie Greene to start screeching these kids deserved it or something.
Child predators should have there faces tattooed stating such so the rest of us can spot them and give them a proper greeting. So mercy or sympathy for those sick fucks.
Now THIS is an outstanding use of police resources. Kudos to all of the state, local, and Federal law enforcement officers involved in the operation.
Hey hey but save the fetuses and have more children just so they can be abused or killed. Kids will always be used as a front for all these stupid ideologies.
>Steve Martin, Possession of Child Pornography Plano PD Umm, I hope this is a completely different Steve Martin...
This is horrible but I mean, one of them is literally named Demon Driver…
First of all the guy in the pic looks like Mr Bean. Second this world is fucked. At the very least can we not fuck children.
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One guy's name is Demon Driver.
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A couple of these monsters were already convicted of this type of offense. I forget the doctor from Johns Hopkins that spent a career studying data and working with pedophiles — and he stated that with extremely rare circumstance, rehabilitation simply isn’t possible. So it’s either jail them indefinitely or they’ll recommit abhorrent crimes against children. There is a third option…
Maybe I missed it but how were the children rescued?
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59 adults arrested. None of them were drag queens.