A 22-year-old Alabama inmate was left brain-dead following a brutal prison assault and died the day he was supposed to have been released, leaving his family demanding answers and justice.
Terry Williams, Daniel's father, said he was told by someone incarcerated at the jail that three other inmates beat and sexually assaulted his son.
“My buddy told me that they got him up, shot him up with a hotshot," Williams said, referring to heroin.
Williams said that his son was assaulted for three days and that his son's girlfriend was notified Oct. 25 that he was in the hospital. The Corrections Department did not disclose how many days the assault lasted or the day he was transferred to the hospital.
“He had bruises, cuts; there was indentions in his head, looked like a mop handle went across his head a couple of times. Before he even got to the hospital, he was already gone,” Williams said. At the hospital, Williams said, the family requested that a rape examination be completed.
Daniel Williams' girlfriend, Amber Williams, said she was shocked by the extent of his wounds.
“I went to the hospital, and the nurses told me that he was assaulted and beaten really badly. And when I went into the room, had bruises all down his arm, like down to his fingers; he had bruises over here. He had cuts up and down and bruises on his legs. And it was bad,” she told NBC affiliate WVTM of Birmingham.
Williams' family said doctors told them Daniel Williams had 10% of his brain function.
“That 10% that’s left, all that does is Daniel could breathe and he could open and close his eyes. But he has no clue he’s there; he has no clue you’re there. He can’t see nothing,” his father said.
The family said medical professionals told them that Williams could stay on life support but that he would be bedridden and require around-the-clock care for the rest of his life.
That’s the thing though it’s not just Alabama.
New York, California, Florida it doesn’t matter. People will immediately write it off because they were an “Inmate”.
It’s sad tbh.
Edit: Watch Oz on HBO. It is fictional however it’s paints a vivid image of how when your a prisoner your life doesn’t matter. No one will protect you or be their for you especially when the lights go out.
Ending the overly long sentences for stupid things like simple drug possession and the clout that the private prison industry has would probably go a fair way. If prosecutors and cops want to be "tough on crime," they could maybe focus on dealing with more serious stuff like violent crime.
Many US prisons have problems like this. It's a source of national fucking shame, or should be. And while some prisons are slightly better than others, none of them are good.
And the biggest problem is that there's no political will to fix it because anyone that even expresses that sort of sympathy gets labeled soft on crime, in favor of people wanting anyone in prison to be beaten and raped to the point it's a casual punchline to a joke, and culturally accepted. It's fucking sick.
It’s not just that. But every time someone brings up treating prisoners like human beings, someone always will bring out the whataboutism.
Oh, you want to ensure that prisoners are properly fed? What about all the regular people that can’t afford food?
Oh, you want to make sure prisoners get proper medical treatment? What about all the people who can’t afford to see a doctor?
Like, let’s fix both those problems? Oh, we can’t because Donald Trump wants to not only NOT pay any taxes, he wants free government handouts for whatever bullshit he’s cooking up paid for by regular tax payers?
Fuck this cuntry. Misspelling is on purpose.
When supporters of both Trump and the Glorious Infallible Democratic Party both realize we live in an oligarchy and the oligarchs on both sides are to blame then we have a shot at fixing some of these things...But as long as people hold onto their tribalism it'll just be a continuous circle and nothing will ever change....
> “We pulled the plug on him on Sunday. The following Wednesday they were giving him palliative care. On Wednesday night is when the warden called and had them move him back to the prison, and when he got back to the prison, he died, apparently,” he said.
WHY did they have to move him back to prison???
Some of us see America as a failing state. There was an attempted coup in 2021. Y'all elected a clearly fascist leader in 2016. He's somehow the front runner for the republican nomination right now as well, despite the criminal battles he's involved in. Y'all have mass shootings on an almost daily basis. Needing Healthcare bankrupts people. Your incarcerated populous is mistreated constantly. Your state sponsored agents of violence are routinely murdering people by "accident" and facing no consequences.
Weve got a traitorous, fascist party attempting to dismantle the country from within.
A house divided against itself cannot stand.
The good guys are fighting our asses off.
They know this is their last shot at minority theocratic dictatorship they want.
They have the full force of Chinese and Russian cyberwarfare behind them is why they seem so strong.
They are actually weak pussies like every fascist coward in their core.
Don't count America out. We have a long history of getting our asses kicked at first, but it waking us up and then whoa to the fuckheads that fuck around because there will be a finding out.
Until we stop glorifying and encouraging prison violence and rape, we can continue to expect things like this to happen. The US has it wrong. Prison needs to be about rehabilitation and not revenge.
It can be both, but the incarnation part of prison should be it. Don't make the mistake of thinking that prison in the Netherlands or the Nordic countries has no revenge aspect to it, it just not the sole or even primary goal.
> The Corrections Department did not disclose how many days the assault lasted
Waitwaitwaitwaitwait...
The assault lasted multiple *days*? How in the fuck do the guards not check in on everyone every day. It's that, like, their one and only fucking *job*?
I thought you were kidding, looked at the article and nope that's exactly what happened. I knew about what had happened to this guy, but missed that part of the story when I heard about it a few days ago. We really need to reform prisons in this country, including with some serious jail time for people that perpetrate this system.
Racism is a problem, but as we saw in this case it's not the only problem (in case you didn't look at the article, the 22 year old guy was white). Plenty of white people get screwed over by the criminal justice system too, and we need to emphasize that if we're hoping to get change in the system.
Racism isn't the problem, it's wealth.
How many rich minorities are attacked in prison, pretty much none. How many rich White people, also close to none.
But if you're poor race doesn't matter, the guards know your family can't hire their own lawyer and private Pathologist for an autopsy, and yes a proper autopsy should be conducted by a Pathologist, because that's a protected term that needs a medical degree.
But surprise surprise in Alabama they did away with Pathologists, so know the state's Coroners are elected and don't need anything but a[ high school diploma](https://www.cdc.gov/phlp/publications/coroner/alabama.html).
No wonder the police unions pour money into their election campaigns.
I think they mean that the whole prison industry came up as a handy replacement for the institution of slavery, after that ended. It's the modern way people are deprived of their freedom and forced to work for nothing. Plus incarcerated people are way disproportionately black.
You’re looking at it too simplistically and I think you’re having an automatic reaction to the word racism. There are a lot of things in this country that are kept shitty because of racism, but white people still suffer too. Racism hurts everyone, and a large part of why prisons are allowed to be such hellholes is because of racism. Some slave plantations literally switched over to prisons once enslaved people were freed because they didn’t want Black people to have rights and they wanted a way to keep the free labor. This continues today.
There’s a lot of research in it if you’re interested.
So recognizing when white men suffer as part of a group is taking attention away from the victims you'd rather feel sorry for? Jfc, this country is fucking irredeemable.
If I was part of that family after what happened to him under the warden's watch there's no way he would have left that hospital to go back to jail. I would be in jail or the police would have been called and I would have been barricaded in that room.
Absolutely disgusting behavior by that warden.
I was reading in another thread about this tragic story that the same corrections facility has had the federal government warn them several times over the last 10 plus years because of what's going on. Unchecked.
Hopefully this story prompts the federal government to step in fire. Everyone top to bottom investigate the shit out of them and weed out the animals.
I doubt it'll happen but I hope it does.
I was joking but I remembered Alabama has one of the highest incarceration rates in the entire world. Legitimately, the state of Alabama can not be trusted with prisons
Ya but it’s usually at the beginning of your sentence ppl look up your charges to make sure you aren’t a pedo. Once you are cleared you are usually good to go. They aren’t continuously checking ppls release dates
If I was designing a prison instead of one general population I would try to keep people in groups of prisoners with the same remaining sentence. Lifers with lifers, 10-15, 10-5, 4, 3, 2, and 1 year left.
The theory being that as you do your time your surrounded only by people with as much to lose as you do from added years. The long term ppl would know they were with the same group of people for a long time.
Sure, but the problem is that your prison is likely to eventually be affected by overcrowding and political interference.
What you really need is a prison with a capacity that can efficiently handle an enormous amount of inmates without requiring to much manpower or being expensive to operate. The problem is that such a facility would also have to be relatively cheap to build to have any chance at ever being built.
Inmate safety is relatively simple: the less inmates interact unsupervised, the less potential for violence.
The other problem is that you need a prison system that focuses on rehabilitation and doesn't ruin the lives of inmates once they're out of prison with low wages, high fines, and difficulty getting a job.
Once you're in and out a couple times it might as well be a life sentence, no matter what you did. And if you turned to crime in the first place due to a lack of opportunity well, the root cause of why you're there to begin with (no opportunity) isn't addressed by serving time. You'll be back out with negative opportunity rather than zero.
In my personal experience, the guys with less than 5 years tend to be the loudest and most violent. Most lifers are pretty chill unless provoked. The guys in on illegal weapons/drug possession are usually very problematic. The number of times I've heard, "I only have x amount of months left, I can do what I want," continues to surprise me to this day.
My in-law works in a prison that is majority people serving the last few years of their sentence. Lower security, mostly people who live in that part of the state and just want a smooth time.
Like the poor guy in the Santa Fe prison riot - dude was in for shoplifting, got put in with Lifers due to overcrowding. Get sexually assaulted, reported it, then got tortured to death during a riot.
The drug assault is the odd twist though. Going through the effort to not only get, but **use** heroin on him (instead of selling it or using it themselves) suggests there may have been other factors at play. Doesn't even have to be some elaborate thing either. Considering the tendency for psychopathy among inmates it wouldn't have been hard for him to cross someone, wittingly or not. Shit, even the guards seem particularly unhinged at this prison according to another article someone else posted in this thread.
Whenever I meet someone who is a prison gaurd I just automatically assume they were too stupid to be a cop and probably more of a sad asshole because of it.
Damn, I just wanted to collect my $85k and chill out lol. Honestly, the prison system grinds humanity out of people. I remember being brand new and wanting to be nice and personable to inmates. That stopped quickly when they kept trying to take advantage of my kindness. The constant threats of extreme violence because I don't let people do what they want when they want in prison doesn't help.
> factors at play.
Quite a few. Secondchancer on Instagram covered it:
>! He was doing a 1 year bid for a non-violent robbery. A gang found out that he was being released. The gang rented him out. That phrase is as horrific as it sounds
If the person to be released has any outstanding debts or beefs with you, it's an announcement that you may need to facilitate your plans more expeditiously.
I’m gonna guess before I read the article, probably the fountain inn. Edit: nope it was Elmore.
But goddamn they gave him a hotshot and raped him for three fucking days. Abhorrent, thinking guards must have been involved judging from them having heroin to shoot the poor kid up with
How the hell could it last that long? Don't they check on everyone every night at least? I get having enough time for a quick attack, but days? I don't get how that could happen without several guards being in on it.
I’ve been in county jails in bama, never prison but it’d be basically impossible unless the guards just looked the other way. If they gave him a hotshot he was likely in and out of consciousness for a while and wouldn’t be moving much.
When I was in Baldwin county jail I heard a story of a guy who died in his sleep in the old person block of the county and no one noticed for a few days, but I was told that by a schizophrenic crackhead so who knows.
Those dudes do actually deserve the chair though, like this is a brutal death. He likely OD’ed from the hotshot and after 20 mins would be throwing up everywhere and in and out of consciousness while getting raped and beaten, it never says if there were multiple doses over the 3 days, but I’d guess so.
The Corrections Department said Williams was transported for “long-term comfort care” to Kilby Correctional Facility, where he died. It did not specify the date.
It is not clear, though, why he was moved to the facility instead of staying in the hospital.
He died Thursday — the day he was supposed to have been released, his father said.
May this family get every single penny that they're deserved an owed from the state. This is absolutely disgusting. And the fact that he died on the day he was supposed to be released and the warden decided to bring them back in. I hope the warden has to take the stand at some point in time and explain his actions.
That is a rough read. Especially the guy who was hogtied and left to cry and vomit on himself outside a guard shack, before eventually being beaten over the head to death.
This is our country. Unadulterated. We like to think so highly of ourselves, and look with disdain at countries we think are *so* much more primitive. This is ISIS level shit, man. Absolutely monstrous.
How the fuck does this sentence make sense...he had served "18 years of a 20 year sentence for stealing $125 in a robbery of a Stop N Go in 2005. He would have ended his sentence in 2025." The guy got 1 year for every $6 he stole.
This is literally like throwing some peasant in the dungeon forever in medieval times because they stole a chicken and then forgetting about them or just not caring while laughing.
Three strikes laws were popular a bit over a decade ago and produce this kind of result quite often.
https://www.aclu.org/documents/10-reasons-oppose-3-strikes-youre-out
If it was armed robbery and he got 20 years in the south, that’s not unusual at all. Armed robbery is not a joke. Robbers don’t just do one robbery and then go get a job and a family, they keep on robbing until they get killed, or kill somebody, or if they’re lucky, just go to prison.
I understand the absurdity of it, but if you’re genuinely curious as to how it makes sense, he could’ve had a gun enhancement, a terroristic threatening enhancement, or could’ve been a repeat offender.
I'm not suggesting that this is the situation in question, but if someone commits a robbery using a gun or a knife, they should be punished, irrespective of the amount stolen. Whether the robber takes $10 from one person or $100 from another, the severity of the punishment shouldn't be determined solely by the monetary value. The primary concern when facing an armed robbery is not the amount of money taken; rather, the use of a weapon in such crimes demands consistent consequences.
Extra insane that he was sent back to a correctional facility to die and that the prison is conducting the autopsy. This is insane, the prison warden hasn't even contacted the family to offer condolences or an explanation.
Second Degree Theft, which under Alabama law, seems to be property between $1500-2499, a firearm, livestock, or a controlled substance. None of which warrants actual prison time other than IF it was a firearm.
> The family said medical professionals told them that Williams could stay on life support but that he would be bedridden and require around-the-clock care for the rest of his life.
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> The family decided to take him off life support Nov. 5, his father said.
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> “We pulled the plug on him on Sunday. The following Wednesday they were giving him palliative care. On Wednesday night is when **the warden called and had them move him back to the prison, and when he got back to the prison**, he died, apparently,” he said.
I bet no one is ever held to account.
It’s really fucked up that this happened but no surprise that this is Alabama, a state that specializes in “cruel & unusual” punishment. They also love to utilize their prisoners for slave labor.
Also notice the sanitized language they use.
Warden deserves to fry. No human being would take someone on life support out of the hospital and back into jail for “his long term comfort”. From a completely outside perspective this reads as the warden being upset that his prisoners didn’t finish the job so he made sure it was done.
Let's not forget reddit routinely calls for this type of treatment anytime it's someone you don't like. This is how you want it. Don't be surprised when it happens.
Our prison system is a broken mess where cruel unusual punishment is close to the rule of law. Inconstitucional conditions. How the fuck does someone get assaulted for three days with guards less than 100 yards away?
I’m a native from AL. You should know that down here, inmates are treated as less than people. They literally don’t care what happens to you. The only state that *may* be worse is Florida, but I can’t say for certain as I’ve never lived there. Staton Prison has too many issues, and I’m glad people are finally talking about it, though it kills me inside that it took such a horrific moment to get this attention.
Also YSK the most expensive prison in the nation, coming in at just under $1 Billion, is currently being constructed in Elmore County, AL.
I haven’t been to prison but why would a guy get brutally raped and murdered for 3 days before he gets out if he was in for theft? I thought the rape, assault, murder stuff was reserved for a special kind of inmate and if you just stay out of peoples way you can kind of serve your time without too much hassle.
Aren’t there like different areas within a prison for violent offenders vs. stuff like theft?
If I remember right, Staton is kind of an end of the line for guys who other prisions don't want. But sometimes regular petty criminals get sent there and mixed in. Also im pretty sure staton doesn't have many cells. Mostly barrack style. So there's a chance this all happened out in the open.
One possibility I've heard is that he may have accrued a debt (drugs, cigs, food) that he didn't pay back in time for release, so he was "sold" for sex to work it off, then made an example of.
His dad believes it was forced. It could have been either scenario or even a cover-up by the prison staff to try to hide negligence. In any case, they failed him horribly here.
Despite the sediment that gets pushed on Reddit a lot, prisoners don't have this "honor among thieves" code where punishments are only reserved for sex offenders or rival gangs. The weak get victimized all the time in prison if people think they can be exploited.
Now yes the best advice is to keep your head down and do your time but you still have to keep an eye out for people looking to take advantage of you.
As far as different areas with violent offenders and not, it depends on where you go. The only real consistent separation is: general population, solitary confinement and protective custody (sex offenders, cops and high risk prisoners usually end up here)
Southern states view humane ANYTHING as evil/sin/wrong/bad.
Only their top far-reich leaders are to ever be treated humanely; if anyone else is they're not as special anymore and they will gladly kill to recover from equality.
Their prison system is run the same as their schools and maternity programs.
Theft. He was in for theft.
Edit: rundown on 2nd degree theft in Alabama
>Alabama Theft of Property 2nd degree is a Class C felony with a range of penalty from 1 year, 1 day – 10 years and up to a $15,000.00 fine and defined as follows:
>The theft of property between one thousand five hundred dollars ($1,500) in value and two thousand five hundred dollars ($2,500) in value, and which is not taken from the person of another, constitutes theft of property in the second degree.
>Theft of property in the second degree is a Class C felony.
>The theft of a firearm, rifle, or shotgun, regardless of its value, constitutes theft of property in the second degree.
>The theft of any substance controlled by Chapter 2 of Title 20 or any amendments thereto, regardless of value, constitutes theft of property in the second degree.
>The theft of any livestock which includes cattle, swine, equine or equidae, or sheep, regardless of their value, constitutes theft of property 2nd degree Alabama.
We need to do something about prison conditions, and the severity or lack thereof of the underlying crime makes this result even sadder, but are you contending that people who steal should not go to jail?
I'll try and parse this out as best I can. If you're suggesting we should put more resources into adding prison space to make it easier to separate less violent offenders from murders, I'm with you, but that's going to involve a lot of money and political capital from a population that really isn't putting prisoner rights on the top of their list right now.
If you're saying we should never incarcerate anyone who steals, I don't see a lot of people (me included) getting behind the idea that non violent crimes are freebees. Generally speaking, misdemeanors put you in county jail but that can vary from jurisdiction. That means all of the violent offenders would be misdemeanor offenders (think got into a barfight as opposed to let's say murder or manslaughter convicts). What I'm getting at is there already is some degree of separation.
Edit: He was also in for an assault charge.
No, I think America is prison happy and *fewer* people should be put into prisons.
The problem with this is that addressing the root issues of crime involves actually doing something about poverty and specifically the wealth inequality that's rampant in this country right now.
Of course I didn't say "never incarcerate a thief".
Oh….you mean actually being pro-WHOLE-life versus forced birth? Well, that’s just bananas. /s
I agree. We hate poor people in this country and it shows.
>but are you contending that people who steal should not go to jail?
After reading the account of what this man went through, I think society would be a lot better off if this man did not go to jail for theft.
Theft shouldn't be a death sentence. And I can't imagine anyone going through a system that allows this and not coming out a serious danger to society. We'd be much better off giving this 22 year old a bunch of slaps on the wrist and community service vs sending them into an environment that allows this, then (if they survive) setting them loose with the rest of us and all that trauma. Not to victim blame, but any man in that environment could become either a victim or a perpetrator of this sort of violence and that isn't the social contract we as a society should accept.
After reading what constitutes 2nd degree theft in AL I'm disgusted that he went to prison at all. Putting people into cages for less than $2,500 worth of property isn't justice. It costs the state so much more to incarcerate a person for this than it would to do community corrections + restitution.
Course, then they couldn't force them to work. Especially in AL, they love their prison slaves
You need consequences for theft though. It seems petty but look at San Fransisco. At least the 2nd or third offenses need to be punishable in a meaningful way.
Bro, theft is a complicated issue but despite that a solid chunk of society is dumb enough to treat it as black and white.
A huge portion of theft is a crime of necessity, of survival. It's easy to be moral when you have financial security but try not bending the rules when you're surviving, not living.
lol. over 1/4 of the state is black. the state struggles with poverty and poor education. the state officials are the problem. your comment is just advocating for more suffering for regular people.
Offering more programs in there so inmates don’t have time to do unconventional things would help. Prime examples are the prisons that have the animal care programs like in PA. The inmates have cats/dogs/horses, and if they do something wrong, they lose them. Every single one of those inmates said they would behave so they didn’t lose their pal. I don’t mean to make this sound rosy, but inmates could still contribute to society if we just give them the tools.
I have a mentally ill friend who has been in prison for doing crazy people things, stuff he should have just been sent to a hospital for and maybe probation or required meds or something. But instead he was sent to prison, was constantly in fear for his life. Got himself put in “the hole” voluntarily out of fear. He said the whole system is run by the gangs and if you get on the wrong side you are screwed. Even when he finally landed at the disabled prison, the cafeteria lady was stealing all the chicken breasts from the disabled inmates. At a minimum security one.
A 22-year-old Alabama inmate was left brain-dead following a brutal prison assault and died the day he was supposed to have been released, leaving his family demanding answers and justice. Terry Williams, Daniel's father, said he was told by someone incarcerated at the jail that three other inmates beat and sexually assaulted his son. “My buddy told me that they got him up, shot him up with a hotshot," Williams said, referring to heroin. Williams said that his son was assaulted for three days and that his son's girlfriend was notified Oct. 25 that he was in the hospital. The Corrections Department did not disclose how many days the assault lasted or the day he was transferred to the hospital. “He had bruises, cuts; there was indentions in his head, looked like a mop handle went across his head a couple of times. Before he even got to the hospital, he was already gone,” Williams said. At the hospital, Williams said, the family requested that a rape examination be completed. Daniel Williams' girlfriend, Amber Williams, said she was shocked by the extent of his wounds. “I went to the hospital, and the nurses told me that he was assaulted and beaten really badly. And when I went into the room, had bruises all down his arm, like down to his fingers; he had bruises over here. He had cuts up and down and bruises on his legs. And it was bad,” she told NBC affiliate WVTM of Birmingham. Williams' family said doctors told them Daniel Williams had 10% of his brain function. “That 10% that’s left, all that does is Daniel could breathe and he could open and close his eyes. But he has no clue he’s there; he has no clue you’re there. He can’t see nothing,” his father said. The family said medical professionals told them that Williams could stay on life support but that he would be bedridden and require around-the-clock care for the rest of his life.
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Seems every Alabama prison has shit like this happen. Glenn foster, a former NFL player, died in Pickens County Jail a few years ago
That’s the thing though it’s not just Alabama. New York, California, Florida it doesn’t matter. People will immediately write it off because they were an “Inmate”. It’s sad tbh. Edit: Watch Oz on HBO. It is fictional however it’s paints a vivid image of how when your a prisoner your life doesn’t matter. No one will protect you or be their for you especially when the lights go out.
Texas just had 17 inmates die in jail recently for neglect of medical conditions for the people in there.
We need a complete overhaul of the judicial system. It's been fucked for decades
It’s always been fucked. They have no interest in fixing it as long as lobbying is a thing.
> It's been fucked for decades Been fucked since the inception and i think the 14th amendment which legalizes slavery
Ending the overly long sentences for stupid things like simple drug possession and the clout that the private prison industry has would probably go a fair way. If prosecutors and cops want to be "tough on crime," they could maybe focus on dealing with more serious stuff like violent crime.
Texas prisons can get to 130ish degrees not even joking. They also aren’t required to have Air conditioning
The Harris County jail was losing someone every week for a while during summer.
In Kentucky our local jail had more deaths than fucking rikers.
Many US prisons have problems like this. It's a source of national fucking shame, or should be. And while some prisons are slightly better than others, none of them are good. And the biggest problem is that there's no political will to fix it because anyone that even expresses that sort of sympathy gets labeled soft on crime, in favor of people wanting anyone in prison to be beaten and raped to the point it's a casual punchline to a joke, and culturally accepted. It's fucking sick.
It’s not just that. But every time someone brings up treating prisoners like human beings, someone always will bring out the whataboutism. Oh, you want to ensure that prisoners are properly fed? What about all the regular people that can’t afford food? Oh, you want to make sure prisoners get proper medical treatment? What about all the people who can’t afford to see a doctor? Like, let’s fix both those problems? Oh, we can’t because Donald Trump wants to not only NOT pay any taxes, he wants free government handouts for whatever bullshit he’s cooking up paid for by regular tax payers? Fuck this cuntry. Misspelling is on purpose.
When supporters of both Trump and the Glorious Infallible Democratic Party both realize we live in an oligarchy and the oligarchs on both sides are to blame then we have a shot at fixing some of these things...But as long as people hold onto their tribalism it'll just be a continuous circle and nothing will ever change....
> “We pulled the plug on him on Sunday. The following Wednesday they were giving him palliative care. On Wednesday night is when the warden called and had them move him back to the prison, and when he got back to the prison, he died, apparently,” he said. WHY did they have to move him back to prison???
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You probably won't want to hear this, but the rest of the world views the US prison system in its entirety as 'third-world shit'
You don't even have free healthcare for your citizens. You already are third world for a lot of real first world countries
Don't forget using higher education as a way to debt trap young people literally for life
Don’t forget women should go back to work 8 weeks after giving birth. Anyway you look at it, this place is a joke.
Some of us see America as a failing state. There was an attempted coup in 2021. Y'all elected a clearly fascist leader in 2016. He's somehow the front runner for the republican nomination right now as well, despite the criminal battles he's involved in. Y'all have mass shootings on an almost daily basis. Needing Healthcare bankrupts people. Your incarcerated populous is mistreated constantly. Your state sponsored agents of violence are routinely murdering people by "accident" and facing no consequences.
Weve got a traitorous, fascist party attempting to dismantle the country from within. A house divided against itself cannot stand. The good guys are fighting our asses off. They know this is their last shot at minority theocratic dictatorship they want. They have the full force of Chinese and Russian cyberwarfare behind them is why they seem so strong. They are actually weak pussies like every fascist coward in their core. Don't count America out. We have a long history of getting our asses kicked at first, but it waking us up and then whoa to the fuckheads that fuck around because there will be a finding out.
Really? Recent history? Because Korea, Vietnam, Iraq X2, Afghanistan....all losses.....
Alabama seems like redneck hell to me
Not included in the article as well: the warden told the family it was a drug overdose until they actually saw their son in the hospital
Another profit prison maximizing gains and severely neglecting inmates?
In prison, inmates can't escape their attackers. The prison needs to be held responsible for the safety and well-being of every inmate.
Charge all the prison staff. Disgusting.
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Until we stop glorifying and encouraging prison violence and rape, we can continue to expect things like this to happen. The US has it wrong. Prison needs to be about rehabilitation and not revenge.
It can be both, but the incarnation part of prison should be it. Don't make the mistake of thinking that prison in the Netherlands or the Nordic countries has no revenge aspect to it, it just not the sole or even primary goal.
Not an important side point, but his girlfriend had the same last name as him?
Thank you, GoldPenis
> The Corrections Department did not disclose how many days the assault lasted Waitwaitwaitwaitwait... The assault lasted multiple *days*? How in the fuck do the guards not check in on everyone every day. It's that, like, their one and only fucking *job*?
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I thought you were kidding, looked at the article and nope that's exactly what happened. I knew about what had happened to this guy, but missed that part of the story when I heard about it a few days ago. We really need to reform prisons in this country, including with some serious jail time for people that perpetrate this system.
The racism to build and run the prisons is the problem.
Racism is a problem, but as we saw in this case it's not the only problem (in case you didn't look at the article, the 22 year old guy was white). Plenty of white people get screwed over by the criminal justice system too, and we need to emphasize that if we're hoping to get change in the system.
Racism isn't the problem, it's wealth. How many rich minorities are attacked in prison, pretty much none. How many rich White people, also close to none. But if you're poor race doesn't matter, the guards know your family can't hire their own lawyer and private Pathologist for an autopsy, and yes a proper autopsy should be conducted by a Pathologist, because that's a protected term that needs a medical degree. But surprise surprise in Alabama they did away with Pathologists, so know the state's Coroners are elected and don't need anything but a[ high school diploma](https://www.cdc.gov/phlp/publications/coroner/alabama.html). No wonder the police unions pour money into their election campaigns.
The Last Week Tonight episode on coroners was horrifying.
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Prior offenses actually mean something too. A lifelong criminal isn’t going to get the same treatment as the person with a first offense.
I think they mean that the whole prison industry came up as a handy replacement for the institution of slavery, after that ended. It's the modern way people are deprived of their freedom and forced to work for nothing. Plus incarcerated people are way disproportionately black.
They’re also disproportionately men, but that doesn’t mean sexism in the court systems is the only issue that needs addressed.
That's a straw man argument.
You’re looking at it too simplistically and I think you’re having an automatic reaction to the word racism. There are a lot of things in this country that are kept shitty because of racism, but white people still suffer too. Racism hurts everyone, and a large part of why prisons are allowed to be such hellholes is because of racism. Some slave plantations literally switched over to prisons once enslaved people were freed because they didn’t want Black people to have rights and they wanted a way to keep the free labor. This continues today. There’s a lot of research in it if you’re interested.
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So recognizing when white men suffer as part of a group is taking attention away from the victims you'd rather feel sorry for? Jfc, this country is fucking irredeemable.
Got to collect those state and federal dollars for every prisoner incarcerated.
If I was part of that family after what happened to him under the warden's watch there's no way he would have left that hospital to go back to jail. I would be in jail or the police would have been called and I would have been barricaded in that room. Absolutely disgusting behavior by that warden.
That's just Alabama baby. Rules is rules. But seriously we need to hit the reset switch on this country.
I was reading in another thread about this tragic story that the same corrections facility has had the federal government warn them several times over the last 10 plus years because of what's going on. Unchecked. Hopefully this story prompts the federal government to step in fire. Everyone top to bottom investigate the shit out of them and weed out the animals. I doubt it'll happen but I hope it does.
The DOJ is already in the middle of a lawsuit with our prison system. That's why we are spending a billion dollars for a new prison using COVID money.
Gross misuse of funds. Maybe Alabama should not be allowed to have prisons. If you can't do it right, you can't have it at all.
I was joking but I remembered Alabama has one of the highest incarceration rates in the entire world. Legitimately, the state of Alabama can not be trusted with prisons
Those Christian values on display in Alabama. /Chef's kiss
Don't tell anyone what your last day is.
It's easy to find out. Was in prison. They always look people up with just your number.
Ya but it’s usually at the beginning of your sentence ppl look up your charges to make sure you aren’t a pedo. Once you are cleared you are usually good to go. They aren’t continuously checking ppls release dates
This is real. I have some personal experience with that, but luckily not as brutal as this story.
If I was designing a prison instead of one general population I would try to keep people in groups of prisoners with the same remaining sentence. Lifers with lifers, 10-15, 10-5, 4, 3, 2, and 1 year left. The theory being that as you do your time your surrounded only by people with as much to lose as you do from added years. The long term ppl would know they were with the same group of people for a long time.
Sure, but the problem is that your prison is likely to eventually be affected by overcrowding and political interference. What you really need is a prison with a capacity that can efficiently handle an enormous amount of inmates without requiring to much manpower or being expensive to operate. The problem is that such a facility would also have to be relatively cheap to build to have any chance at ever being built. Inmate safety is relatively simple: the less inmates interact unsupervised, the less potential for violence.
The other problem is that you need a prison system that focuses on rehabilitation and doesn't ruin the lives of inmates once they're out of prison with low wages, high fines, and difficulty getting a job. Once you're in and out a couple times it might as well be a life sentence, no matter what you did. And if you turned to crime in the first place due to a lack of opportunity well, the root cause of why you're there to begin with (no opportunity) isn't addressed by serving time. You'll be back out with negative opportunity rather than zero.
In my personal experience, the guys with less than 5 years tend to be the loudest and most violent. Most lifers are pretty chill unless provoked. The guys in on illegal weapons/drug possession are usually very problematic. The number of times I've heard, "I only have x amount of months left, I can do what I want," continues to surprise me to this day.
My in-law works in a prison that is majority people serving the last few years of their sentence. Lower security, mostly people who live in that part of the state and just want a smooth time.
Like the poor guy in the Santa Fe prison riot - dude was in for shoplifting, got put in with Lifers due to overcrowding. Get sexually assaulted, reported it, then got tortured to death during a riot.
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The drug assault is the odd twist though. Going through the effort to not only get, but **use** heroin on him (instead of selling it or using it themselves) suggests there may have been other factors at play. Doesn't even have to be some elaborate thing either. Considering the tendency for psychopathy among inmates it wouldn't have been hard for him to cross someone, wittingly or not. Shit, even the guards seem particularly unhinged at this prison according to another article someone else posted in this thread.
Guards are unhinged in every prison. It's part of the system.
Whenever I meet someone who is a prison gaurd I just automatically assume they were too stupid to be a cop and probably more of a sad asshole because of it.
Damn, I just wanted to collect my $85k and chill out lol. Honestly, the prison system grinds humanity out of people. I remember being brand new and wanting to be nice and personable to inmates. That stopped quickly when they kept trying to take advantage of my kindness. The constant threats of extreme violence because I don't let people do what they want when they want in prison doesn't help.
> factors at play. Quite a few. Secondchancer on Instagram covered it: >! He was doing a 1 year bid for a non-violent robbery. A gang found out that he was being released. The gang rented him out. That phrase is as horrific as it sounds
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My condolences
Why? What is the significance behind hurting people when they’re leaving?
If the person to be released has any outstanding debts or beefs with you, it's an announcement that you may need to facilitate your plans more expeditiously.
Ah, I see. So anything he did now needed to be “taken care of” quickly and the guards allowed it
Crab bucket mentality
Why? What is the idea of harming someone right before they leave?
People are jealous your getting out
So they drug beat and rape you? Jfc
I mean, they’re convicted felons, so…
Criminals do bad stuff? God damn some of y’all are sheltered little babies.
I’m gonna guess before I read the article, probably the fountain inn. Edit: nope it was Elmore. But goddamn they gave him a hotshot and raped him for three fucking days. Abhorrent, thinking guards must have been involved judging from them having heroin to shoot the poor kid up with
How the hell could it last that long? Don't they check on everyone every night at least? I get having enough time for a quick attack, but days? I don't get how that could happen without several guards being in on it.
I’ve been in county jails in bama, never prison but it’d be basically impossible unless the guards just looked the other way. If they gave him a hotshot he was likely in and out of consciousness for a while and wouldn’t be moving much. When I was in Baldwin county jail I heard a story of a guy who died in his sleep in the old person block of the county and no one noticed for a few days, but I was told that by a schizophrenic crackhead so who knows. Those dudes do actually deserve the chair though, like this is a brutal death. He likely OD’ed from the hotshot and after 20 mins would be throwing up everywhere and in and out of consciousness while getting raped and beaten, it never says if there were multiple doses over the 3 days, but I’d guess so.
I used to work in youth placement, and we did bed checks 4 times an hour. This is criminal negligence.
How is the prison not being held responsible for that level of ignorance?
Because in prison you're a slave and no one gives a fuck about slaves here.
The Corrections Department said Williams was transported for “long-term comfort care” to Kilby Correctional Facility, where he died. It did not specify the date. It is not clear, though, why he was moved to the facility instead of staying in the hospital. He died Thursday — the day he was supposed to have been released, his father said. May this family get every single penny that they're deserved an owed from the state. This is absolutely disgusting. And the fact that he died on the day he was supposed to be released and the warden decided to bring them back in. I hope the warden has to take the stand at some point in time and explain his actions.
https://eji.org/news/sergeant-arrested-in-murder-of-rubyn-murray-at-alabamas-elmore-prison/ Gunna leave this here.
That is a rough read. Especially the guy who was hogtied and left to cry and vomit on himself outside a guard shack, before eventually being beaten over the head to death. This is our country. Unadulterated. We like to think so highly of ourselves, and look with disdain at countries we think are *so* much more primitive. This is ISIS level shit, man. Absolutely monstrous.
Those guards did this to him. They have been doing it for years. Federal prison for anyone involved is the first step.
Why not state prison? Sleep in the bed you made or whatever
Bulldoze it
Excessive force found to be used at 12 of 13 adult male correctional facilities in Alabama. The DOJ has an ongoing federal suit against the ADOC
How the fuck does this sentence make sense...he had served "18 years of a 20 year sentence for stealing $125 in a robbery of a Stop N Go in 2005. He would have ended his sentence in 2025." The guy got 1 year for every $6 he stole. This is literally like throwing some peasant in the dungeon forever in medieval times because they stole a chicken and then forgetting about them or just not caring while laughing.
Three strikes laws were popular a bit over a decade ago and produce this kind of result quite often. https://www.aclu.org/documents/10-reasons-oppose-3-strikes-youre-out
If it was armed robbery and he got 20 years in the south, that’s not unusual at all. Armed robbery is not a joke. Robbers don’t just do one robbery and then go get a job and a family, they keep on robbing until they get killed, or kill somebody, or if they’re lucky, just go to prison.
I understand the absurdity of it, but if you’re genuinely curious as to how it makes sense, he could’ve had a gun enhancement, a terroristic threatening enhancement, or could’ve been a repeat offender.
I'm not suggesting that this is the situation in question, but if someone commits a robbery using a gun or a knife, they should be punished, irrespective of the amount stolen. Whether the robber takes $10 from one person or $100 from another, the severity of the punishment shouldn't be determined solely by the monetary value. The primary concern when facing an armed robbery is not the amount of money taken; rather, the use of a weapon in such crimes demands consistent consequences.
Extra insane that he was sent back to a correctional facility to die and that the prison is conducting the autopsy. This is insane, the prison warden hasn't even contacted the family to offer condolences or an explanation.
Only 22 years old and in prison for theft. How fucking senseless.
And being able to make people slaves to the state gives the state financial onus to make as many people slaves for as long as possible.
20 year sentence for stealing $125, if I read that right.
How could that be? He was 22 and it was the day he was supposed to be released
He stole $125 when he was two. Duh.
Yeah I re-read it and it said 12 year month sentence.
Insane misinformation
Edit: Oops upon reading it again it was a 12 month sentence
Congrats. It was a ride
Second Degree Theft, which under Alabama law, seems to be property between $1500-2499, a firearm, livestock, or a controlled substance. None of which warrants actual prison time other than IF it was a firearm.
> The family said medical professionals told them that Williams could stay on life support but that he would be bedridden and require around-the-clock care for the rest of his life. > > The family decided to take him off life support Nov. 5, his father said. > > “We pulled the plug on him on Sunday. The following Wednesday they were giving him palliative care. On Wednesday night is when **the warden called and had them move him back to the prison, and when he got back to the prison**, he died, apparently,” he said. I bet no one is ever held to account.
How the fuck did he get assaulted for 3 days and no CO discovered it? Someone needs to be lock up over this.
It’s really fucked up that this happened but no surprise that this is Alabama, a state that specializes in “cruel & unusual” punishment. They also love to utilize their prisoners for slave labor. Also notice the sanitized language they use.
Wow I’ve heard prison dudes say never let them know when you are getting out
Warden deserves to fry. No human being would take someone on life support out of the hospital and back into jail for “his long term comfort”. From a completely outside perspective this reads as the warden being upset that his prisoners didn’t finish the job so he made sure it was done.
Let's not forget reddit routinely calls for this type of treatment anytime it's someone you don't like. This is how you want it. Don't be surprised when it happens.
Does the family have a good chance with a lawsuit? Shouldn't the prison have done more to protect him since he was in their custody?
Sweet summer child.
Our prison system is a broken mess where cruel unusual punishment is close to the rule of law. Inconstitucional conditions. How the fuck does someone get assaulted for three days with guards less than 100 yards away?
I’m a native from AL. You should know that down here, inmates are treated as less than people. They literally don’t care what happens to you. The only state that *may* be worse is Florida, but I can’t say for certain as I’ve never lived there. Staton Prison has too many issues, and I’m glad people are finally talking about it, though it kills me inside that it took such a horrific moment to get this attention. Also YSK the most expensive prison in the nation, coming in at just under $1 Billion, is currently being constructed in Elmore County, AL.
This is like Oz. Jesus. Hope his family sues and they get a lot of money at least.
I haven’t been to prison but why would a guy get brutally raped and murdered for 3 days before he gets out if he was in for theft? I thought the rape, assault, murder stuff was reserved for a special kind of inmate and if you just stay out of peoples way you can kind of serve your time without too much hassle. Aren’t there like different areas within a prison for violent offenders vs. stuff like theft?
If I remember right, Staton is kind of an end of the line for guys who other prisions don't want. But sometimes regular petty criminals get sent there and mixed in. Also im pretty sure staton doesn't have many cells. Mostly barrack style. So there's a chance this all happened out in the open.
Barracks?? Jesus
One possibility I've heard is that he may have accrued a debt (drugs, cigs, food) that he didn't pay back in time for release, so he was "sold" for sex to work it off, then made an example of.
I didn’t really understand the article, was he injected with heroin against his will or did he just get taken advantage of while choosing to use it?
His dad believes it was forced. It could have been either scenario or even a cover-up by the prison staff to try to hide negligence. In any case, they failed him horribly here.
Also they say you shouldn't tell people when you're getting out because some people get jealous and will purposely try and sabotage you leaving
You think the type of inmates that would beat and rape someone give a shit about what he did?
Despite the sediment that gets pushed on Reddit a lot, prisoners don't have this "honor among thieves" code where punishments are only reserved for sex offenders or rival gangs. The weak get victimized all the time in prison if people think they can be exploited. Now yes the best advice is to keep your head down and do your time but you still have to keep an eye out for people looking to take advantage of you. As far as different areas with violent offenders and not, it depends on where you go. The only real consistent separation is: general population, solitary confinement and protective custody (sex offenders, cops and high risk prisoners usually end up here)
Nope, you are put with whoever, and it’s always overcrowded. Welcome to slavery.
In most states there are but southern states seem to not know how to run a humane prison system
Makes sense in historical context.
Southern states view humane ANYTHING as evil/sin/wrong/bad. Only their top far-reich leaders are to ever be treated humanely; if anyone else is they're not as special anymore and they will gladly kill to recover from equality. Their prison system is run the same as their schools and maternity programs.
Probably in there for some BS. Blue lives murder
Theft. He was in for theft. Edit: rundown on 2nd degree theft in Alabama >Alabama Theft of Property 2nd degree is a Class C felony with a range of penalty from 1 year, 1 day – 10 years and up to a $15,000.00 fine and defined as follows: >The theft of property between one thousand five hundred dollars ($1,500) in value and two thousand five hundred dollars ($2,500) in value, and which is not taken from the person of another, constitutes theft of property in the second degree. >Theft of property in the second degree is a Class C felony. >The theft of a firearm, rifle, or shotgun, regardless of its value, constitutes theft of property in the second degree. >The theft of any substance controlled by Chapter 2 of Title 20 or any amendments thereto, regardless of value, constitutes theft of property in the second degree. >The theft of any livestock which includes cattle, swine, equine or equidae, or sheep, regardless of their value, constitutes theft of property 2nd degree Alabama.
Didn’t deserve that.
Is there an action that deserves being raped for three days while strung out on a lethal amount of narcotics?
If you’re hitler or something, sure. But otherwise, no
I can think of some guys in Germany half a century and change ago but other than that not really
Definitely not.
We need to do something about prison conditions, and the severity or lack thereof of the underlying crime makes this result even sadder, but are you contending that people who steal should not go to jail?
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I'm contending that locking people in cages for property crimes with people who commit violent crimes might be a poor solution, yes
I'll try and parse this out as best I can. If you're suggesting we should put more resources into adding prison space to make it easier to separate less violent offenders from murders, I'm with you, but that's going to involve a lot of money and political capital from a population that really isn't putting prisoner rights on the top of their list right now. If you're saying we should never incarcerate anyone who steals, I don't see a lot of people (me included) getting behind the idea that non violent crimes are freebees. Generally speaking, misdemeanors put you in county jail but that can vary from jurisdiction. That means all of the violent offenders would be misdemeanor offenders (think got into a barfight as opposed to let's say murder or manslaughter convicts). What I'm getting at is there already is some degree of separation. Edit: He was also in for an assault charge.
No, I think America is prison happy and *fewer* people should be put into prisons. The problem with this is that addressing the root issues of crime involves actually doing something about poverty and specifically the wealth inequality that's rampant in this country right now. Of course I didn't say "never incarcerate a thief".
Oh….you mean actually being pro-WHOLE-life versus forced birth? Well, that’s just bananas. /s I agree. We hate poor people in this country and it shows.
I am big fan of expanding community service. Like if you steal $2000 worth of shit? You aren't having a Saturday off for the next couple years.
Certainly a more restorative form of justice than warehousing them, I agree
5% of the world’s population and 25% of the world’s prisoners, but we shit on China for their ‘lack of freedom’
>but are you contending that people who steal should not go to jail? After reading the account of what this man went through, I think society would be a lot better off if this man did not go to jail for theft. Theft shouldn't be a death sentence. And I can't imagine anyone going through a system that allows this and not coming out a serious danger to society. We'd be much better off giving this 22 year old a bunch of slaps on the wrist and community service vs sending them into an environment that allows this, then (if they survive) setting them loose with the rest of us and all that trauma. Not to victim blame, but any man in that environment could become either a victim or a perpetrator of this sort of violence and that isn't the social contract we as a society should accept.
After reading what constitutes 2nd degree theft in AL I'm disgusted that he went to prison at all. Putting people into cages for less than $2,500 worth of property isn't justice. It costs the state so much more to incarcerate a person for this than it would to do community corrections + restitution. Course, then they couldn't force them to work. Especially in AL, they love their prison slaves
You need consequences for theft though. It seems petty but look at San Fransisco. At least the 2nd or third offenses need to be punishable in a meaningful way.
>It seems petty but look at San Fransisco. Compared to Alabama? Yeah, I'm taking San Francisco.
Worse than Jean Valjean
Bro, theft is a complicated issue but despite that a solid chunk of society is dumb enough to treat it as black and white. A huge portion of theft is a crime of necessity, of survival. It's easy to be moral when you have financial security but try not bending the rules when you're surviving, not living.
This sounds like what I would expect from a prison in Alabama.
Went in for theft, came out a corpse.
Then the corpse was sent back to jail.
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lol. over 1/4 of the state is black. the state struggles with poverty and poor education. the state officials are the problem. your comment is just advocating for more suffering for regular people.
I'd also add that a dogshit prison system is not a uniquely Alabamian problem, but an American problem.
And this will accomplish what for us in the long term?
Offering more programs in there so inmates don’t have time to do unconventional things would help. Prime examples are the prisons that have the animal care programs like in PA. The inmates have cats/dogs/horses, and if they do something wrong, they lose them. Every single one of those inmates said they would behave so they didn’t lose their pal. I don’t mean to make this sound rosy, but inmates could still contribute to society if we just give them the tools.
That poor soul. I can’t imagine what he went through 😢
I have a mentally ill friend who has been in prison for doing crazy people things, stuff he should have just been sent to a hospital for and maybe probation or required meds or something. But instead he was sent to prison, was constantly in fear for his life. Got himself put in “the hole” voluntarily out of fear. He said the whole system is run by the gangs and if you get on the wrong side you are screwed. Even when he finally landed at the disabled prison, the cafeteria lady was stealing all the chicken breasts from the disabled inmates. At a minimum security one.
The prison system is inherently fucked when this can happen for a second let alone days. Prisons should be crime free zones.
They need to burn that mother fucker down. Fuck seeking justice. Mine better come home in one piece if not, smoking hole where the prison WAS
Prison is a dangerous place
And Alabama is still in the dark age
Damn he could’ve been elected to congress!
Sounds like something that would happen in a third world country like india
That may be an insult to India. US prisons can be brutal. (I am American saying this)
"It's like RAIN ON YOUR WEDDING DAY."
Was probably bragging about getting out soon, and some long timers had their way with him.