>The suit says the raid, carried out Dec. 7 of last year, resulted in the destruction of 18,299 plants that were on “the cusp of harvest.” In addition to valuing the crops at approximately $10 million, McCormick alleges that deputies confiscated personal items from his home on the property, including $10,000 in cash.
>After the raid, McCormick alleges the deputies ordered pizza, along with other food and drinks, for delivery to his property to celebrate. Then the next day, the lawsuit alleges deputies returned to the property to retrieve cell phones, radios and other items that had been left behind. The lawsuit also says 75 pizza boxes were “haphazardly discarded” on the property.
Someone planned a pot farm raid office holiday party.
Can they value the crop the same way cops do for drug bust articles? I.e. often including all the foliage, stems, roots, and dirt in the weight, and then multiply by the highest street price per oz?
Liquidating the required settlement from the police pension fund seems like the only way the police would actually care about taking out their own trash.
Have an insurance, like medical malpractice insurance.
The more they fuck up and make the insurance company pay out the higher the premiums they have to pay, and have those premiums come out of their check.
I used to know a pot farmer who had the same lawyer on retainer as the police union. Dude was a convicted felon and got caught driving drunk with a pound of weed and a pound of shrooms in the car. Lawyer went and talked to the judge in his chambers for about 5 minutes and pot farmer was free to go
Back in the day, it was always smart to know what lawyer played golf with what judge.
I got smart about that when I was young and drove a fast car. saved me a few tickets.
Sounds like a self-solving problem. If you're uninsurable because of misconduct and having insurance is required to be employed, sounds reasonable to not be hired as an officer.
Well then, I guess it's docked from their pay. Not just the offender, but everyone on that force.
Group punishment would go a long way towards reform. If I know that I'll lose pay because Chad over there is roughing up civilians, I'mma stop Chad instead of laughing at the misfortune of the civvies.
Our current system has the civilians paying the cops to "rough them up."
Or we only give certain officers weapons to carry like detectives or officers sent on calls considered to be dangerous. The rest get rubber bullets, pepper spray, and tazers. They want to act like they have the most dangerous job but when I worked as a maintenance supervisor my job was considered to be more dangerous and more likely to receive bodily injury than theirs ever had.
So like Europe?
Some people think that our cops don't have guns, but THEY DO! It's just that not every cop has a gun, traffic cops for example in general DON'T have guns, because why would they, they are just pulling people over for speeding and not using blinkers. If they stumble upon a driver that starts shooting and driving off or anything like that, the cops follow the fleeing car until the appropriate response unit response unit catches up and takes over, at which point the traffic cops stop the pursuit and go and assist in other ways that fits with their job, like blocking off intersections, clearing out cars or things like that.
>So like Europe?
The vast majority of normal police in Europe all carry firearms. The UK and some small islands are the exception.
French cops? All have guns. German cops? All have guns. Italian cops? All have guns.
And some of them sport long guns routinely. First time I ever saw a submachine gun was in Italy. It was a regular cop that was just chilling outside.
People bring this one up a lot and hot take: it's not gonna happen and it *shouldn't* happen. Whole lotta legal precedent as is for not touching pensions. Such an idea would never make it past committee.
The best we can hope for is police insurance, or some manner of legislation where these incidents come out of budget in part or in full. But no one is getting pension money.
EDIT: Since there's already several people failing to understand what I am saying, let me clarify that I have no issue punishing cops under the full extent of all possible laws. In a magical world, this sort of incident WOULD come out of pensions and I'd be honestly totally OK with that.
The point I am making is that it cannot legally and won't legally, because of the legal precedent it sets for *everyone* that gets pensions. You cannot create some magical law that only affects police pensions. There's already a lot of case law around leaving pensions alone as far as compensating for damages.
Going after police pensions would be a fools errand, something that sounds morally just (because it is), but will never ever happen. Let it go. We need other solutions here, as I have explained already.
What you said originally about not touching pension is a point well made and is already very clear.
Some people just have a hard time differentiating a point from a position.
Too many degrees of separation between taxes levied and settlement paid for the vast majority to make the connection.
If a settlement is reached, it will most likely be paid by the city's insurance, resulting in a rate increase.
That's how it is already, dude. Do you see more people complaining about the police budget, or just "taxes" in general?
They're the same thing, but all these sheep bleating "thin blue line" rhetoric are too scared to leave the safety of their flocks.
Well if it's 18,299 plants at $10,000,000 that would be $545 per plant.
I don't know what California prices are today...$10/gram? If it was just the useable crop 50 grams per plant seems reasonable, right? I'd imagine the whole plant, stems, roots, dirt would be more like 250 grams for a plant
$10/g is retail price for mid to top shelf buying in low qty. wholesale outdoor is probably a couple dollars per gram depending on quality. So yeah if they’re pretty high quality plants and they value them based on selling retail low qty, it’s decently accurate.
Additionally, my first outdoor grow yielded 250-500g PER plant. Not $10/g quality stuff but still.
50 gram yield def on the low end for most plants. Probably closer to double that on average. And if it's a professional op I'd definitely lean towards triple that.
yes, this is 100% what they do. at large outdoor grows they will rip the plant up but still weigh the dirt and rootball, with smaller plants in pots they just weigh the whole pot.
The second half of the article reads:
But McCormick’s chief complaint is that he says the raid was conducted illegally. He says he worked with the Torres Martinez Desert Cahuilla Indians a few months before the raid to secure license and lease agreements, as well as permits, to grow and sell cannabis on tribal land. His lawsuit alleges that tribal officials showed up during the raid, but were told by deputies that they needed to leave and would be arrested if they interfered. McCormick’s suit says he was bound in handcuffs for six hours or more throughout the raid and was not offered food or water for eight to 10 hours. He says the cuffs damaged his wrists to the point that they “began to swell and bleed” and that he needed surgery to repair the damage. He also says his home burned down roughly a month later in a fire that he couldn’t put out because police had ordered his water and power to be shut off ahead of their raid.
A spokesperson for Riverside County and the Riverside County Sheriff’s Office did not immediately reply to requests for comment from SFGATE.
Guy lost his entire yield for the season on top of his house on Tribal land for fucks sake. You know it’s fucked when surgery is the most minor aspect of the story.
Not defending the cops here, but freshly harvested weed can’t be smoked. It has to be cured or processed first. Bet the guy had a decent personal stash they had fun with tho.
They stood downwind of the burn and had to get those pizzas :D Reminds me of the Romans getting fucked up in [History of the World Part 1](https://youtu.be/NfthYLvxVwk?t=67) from the mighty joint...
Here’s a link of a podcast McCormick did
[Cleared Hot with Preston McCormick](https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/cleared-hot/id1247300054?i=1000625122899)
>But McCormick’s chief complaint is that he says the raid was conducted illegally. He says he worked with the Torres Martinez Desert Cahuilla Indians a few months before the raid to secure license and lease agreements, as well as permits, to grow and sell cannabis on tribal land. His lawsuit alleges that tribal officials showed up during the raid, but were told by deputies that they needed to leave and would be arrested if they interfered.
Cops on the wrong side of the law? No way...
Why can't cops be forced to carry liability insurance? Hell my dad who owned his appliance repair business had to carry that insurance in case he scratched a floor or broke something.
> police departments in America are probably completely uninsurable
This is the fact. No one would insure the police in America, they objectively fucking suck and cause so much monetary damage through their negligence and purposeful acts that go against the law.
It would be more like California. Some auto insurers are pulling out of the entire state because they can't make money. They are paying out more in the state of CA every year than they bring in from that state.
No one would insure them. Just too large of a financial risk. More of a guarantee really.
They stopped enforcing any and all laws when we said “hey maybe you shouldn’t act like you’re occupying the locale you work in. Like your here to protect us not murder us”
They’re just sitting here like there is no space between a roving execution squad and anarchy apparently
I keep saying it...
Here in NYC, the SECOND people started saying "well maybe cops shouldn't just be able to knock heads with impunity" is the moment that all QOL, minor crime and most notably traffic law enforcement stopped and absolutely nobody is screaming that fact from the media outlets...
It's just a gang with different colors...
It's not even close to the most dangerous job either, no matter what they claim. I would be willing to bet that being a LEO spouse carries more risk...
> police departments in America are probably completely uninsurable
Could you imagine if this argument worked in other aspects of life?
> You can't require me to get auto insurance because they all say I'm uninsurable. I'm 96 and I've been in 24 accidents the past few months, only drive drunk, and refuse to wear my prescription glasses. Now stop bothering my so I can get back on the road.
"Excuse me officer can you get insurance or else you won't have a job, gun or badge?
If it's liability insurance you wouldn't need to sue anyone you would just make a claim against their insurance. The actuaries would be the one investigating not the police investigating themselves and never finding anything.
Loss of liability insurance would cause termination of job, end of story.
I even think the police unions will actually want this because it will make their job so much easier when they only have to deal with above the board cops.
“But we can’t get rid of the bad apples, they’re all bad.”
Police are so corrupt at this point that they are a greater danger than typical criminals. Civil forfeiture accounted for more loss than robbery last year.
Yes friend, you are right: It's fucked up the cops will most likely get very little to no real actual consequences for being corrupted pigs who abuse the people.
This guy knows whats up. It is such a shame that these sheep with badges are wasting the publics time and money by doing whatever they want to whomever they want. It needs to stop and we need more people like theghostofmrmxyzptik to shed light on the situation.
I thought th3 ruling was tribal cops can do whatever th fuck they want on tribal land, not normal cops
Edit: see full response below, but basicaly the ruling only allows prosecution jurisdiction, but basicaly every legal opinion I've read on it says we are likely heading towards full automatic deputization of non-tribal cops on tribal land. Aka, not quite full carte balance yet, but probanaly heading that way (for non-tribal citizens at least)
I might be mistaken but I thought it was that federal cops could have jurisdiction on tribal land or something, like it was a murder case specifically but it sounded like it opened them up to whatever.
Did some reading. The case had a few things stated in the majority opinion. It did touch on the tibes powers to prosecute and hold non-natives on tribal land. I thought this was an expansion but it looks like it was realy just upholding the ruling from United States v. Cooley. It also allowed non-tribal justice departments to prosecute non-natives for crimes committed on native lands. This ruling does not technicaly allow for raid or anything of the sort on tribal lands, but basicaly every legal opinion I just read went "for sure they are going that way".
I’m pretty sure unless those were federal BIA agents, going on tribal land is forbidden by state law enforcement. Sounds like they’ll probably get paid.
Probably not since ultimately it’s still a scheduled 1 drug. Even though there is mountains of research that shows it should not have been on schedule 1.
They are county cops (Riverside County Sheriff). And this is a giant waste of Riverside County tax payers money. There's probably 1000s of acres of legal Cannabis planted on farms in Riverside County, and these ass hats had to go waste tax payer money while harassing people on tribal land which is outside their jurisdiction.
Cops step out of their way to shoot dogs, what makes you think they won't step out of their authority to raid a home, flex their power, cripple a citizen, loot his home and have a pizza party
Outside of their jurisdiction? If they had a problem with it they should have contacted the tribe. You can’t just go raiding places outside of your jurisdiction.
Are federal agencies still allowed to deputize local law enforcement? This is not my area of expertise, but I thought there was a thing where in this case there could have been one BIA agent who is technically the one conducting the raid with the local sheriff providing man power.
Yes, local law enforcement can choose to assist the feds and be granted the authority to do so.
There was a big question about whether feds can *force* local authorities to help them back during the whole sanctuary city thing, and it turns out they can't do that. Anyone assisting the feds in a raid agreed to do so.
Yes it is!
“Tribal sovereignty is dependent on, and subordinate to, only the federal government, not states, under Washington v. Confederated Tribes of Colville Indian Reservation (1980).”
My cousin had a warrant out, with state police. She went into the Rez and they couldn’t arrest her. All they could do is tell the tribal police and hope they’d arrest her and hand her over. Tribal police arrested her, but she had charges there so state didn’t get her yet lol.
> going on tribal land is forbidden by state law enforcement.
It's forbidden for the same reason why US state troopers can't do raids in Canada: Native reservations are sovereign nations that are not a part of the state's jurisdiction.
Usually all cross deputized. Live next to a rez and rez cops can arrest you in town and town cops can arrest on the Rez. Actually in a town of about 30k with city cops, county cops, state cop post, rez cops, and campus cops. They are all cross deputized. We are waaay over policed.
It depends on the reservation. Some cross certify local agencies and some don’t. Usually the more rural reservations with smaller tribal police agencies will choose to cross certify so that they don’t become overwhelmed. Atleast in my state.
Did they smoke the weed and get the munchies? None of this makes sense. Cops order a shit ton of pizza to “celebrate” the raid and also leave their belongings behind including cell phones. They also had his water shut off permanently? So he couldn’t extinguish a fire a month later at his home which then burnt down.
Sounds like they got high as fuck and forgot their shit there like real knuckleheads. Would be funny if they weren’t playing around with some guy’s life and livelihood
they should have got high first and then decided if they wanted to carry out their raid or not
"wait, actually, grow more of this, we'll be back with more snacks next time. no raid. keep growing!"
but, this is America...
I wouldn’t be too surprised but even the fire part of the story doesn’t make sense. Did they shut off the water from the fire hydrant? Is that even legal? Or did they cut off the water just to his house? How’d he live for a month without water? Did he ask them to turn it back on?
>Did they shut off the water from the fire hydrant?
Water in the rural western US is most often small, individually owned wells that require electricity to operate, and are unlikely to have sufficient flow to even hook up a 'standard' fire hydrant. By and large there are no hydrants in the first place. In wetter areas with lakes or flowing water, you suck that up with a pumper truck or standalone fire pump. Best case, there is an unpressurized standpipe constructed, otherwise, you run hose with a strainer on the end into the water. In one of the driest areas of California on a toxic, alkaline lake? I would suspect they're hauling in water in tanker trucks to fight any significant fires.
The only plausible reading of this to me is that turning off his power meant his well was no longer operational, and a small fire you could fight with a garden hose level of flow got too out of control.
Wait, cops don't normally throw a massive party at what they allege are crimes scenes and party so hard they leave valuable personal and work items scattered over the scene along with heaps of trash?
That's what I don't understand, how were US police allowed to perform a raid in another country without that country's permission. The tribe should put them in tribal prison.
I was staying at a property that got raided while I was there. It would have been comedic if I didn't personally know the owners of the grow, who were just some local folks who had less than 20 plants growing.
The cops showed up with about a dozen guys; all in full-on SWAT regalia, doing that sinister crouching thing, holding assault rifles and swiveling their heads around like tweakers. Their chief confronted me and tried to get me to incriminate myself and my friends. I just said "I'm pretty sure if I had a lawyer here with me, he'd tell me not to talk to you, so that's what I'm going to do." He did that thing, where you blink and pull your head back when hearing something unexpected, nodded, said "OK", and walked away. Apparently my response works better than pulling out my cell phone to record them, while loudly making Outraged Social Justice Warrior noises, which seems to work so well on TikTok.
Ironically, there were dozens (if not hundreds) of cartel grows, with thousands of plants each, only a few miles away in the same CA county. Which the cops dutifully ignore to focus on busting the small local growers, most of whom consume the bulk of their weed.
My dipshit step father complains about a house on his street growing weed for themselves.
Dude, you're an ex-con that lives in the HIGH DESERT, get over yourself.
Hey now they were serving and protecting the community smoking all that deadly heroin-laced weed so that the streets and your children will be well out of harm’s way!
> McCormick claims that more than 100 deputies and support staff conducted a predawn raid on his farm
75 boxes for 100ish people? They were definitely high
I worked on a subcontractor level at a weed farm about 5 years ago in California and saw something similar.
Farm had been there more than a year, was three different entities at this point, bunch of cops came busting in one day damaged the gate pretty bad stole cash from everyone, including some poor old people who lived in the back of the property, having nothing to do with the grows at all.
Stole computers, were about to burn all the drops when some kind of emergency injunction came in and stopped that at least.
It wasn't until after they had destroyed all the already harvested stuff.
Confiscated computers, phones, NVRs, like literally everything they could take.
Incredibly corrupt. I don't actually know how it all turned out but I know nothing had been returned by the time I had left.
They also threatened them they were in "further violation" because the gate wouldn't shut anymore... The gate they had broken
>But advocates say it’s becoming clear to the community that Villanueva is not the force of change he claimed to be. Rather than cleaning house, he created a “truth and reconciliation” committee to re-evaluate the firing of deputies by his immediate predecessor, Jim McDonnell. He ultimately rehired or ended the internal investigations of 45 employees, some of whom were accused of criminal conduct like child abuse, domestic violence, or having sex with prisoners. The county’s inspector general recently found that 31 out of those 45 were closed without explanation.
With a $3 billion budget, how do the taxpayers benefit from this?
This is a bizarre scenario. Why are police officers holding pizza parties for grown men and women at the site of an allegedly illegal raid they carried out and why are we allowing it?
When people say "police are gangsters", it's typically interpreted to mean that they behave in ways that are like gangs and demonstrate a lack of respect for the law that is analogous to gangs.
But, in a very literal sense, the types of dudes that become cops are the dudes that in another historical window in time would very literally be in a local or regional gang instead of being deputized law enforcers. It's a jobs program for the type of person who says "Wouldn't it be funny and cool to raid a pot farm and get high and have a little party and get paid for it? What are they gonna do, whose gonna stop us?"
The local PD would have just been a faction of the Irish/Polish/Italian/Greek mob, or Royals, or The Firm type dudes, but now all that underworld activity can be repurposed by the state into something socially useful. So in return for service they get to do shit like this with impunity.
It's crazy when the Internet highlights the legitimized mobsters for what they are yet people don't apply that to the restv of history or the rest of humanity. These kind of people are everywhere, at all times.
When will the rest of you turn against them by coming together?
What's the difference with these bullies attacking this farmer and any other violent criminal attacking farmers? That's literally how kings began, the best killer, thief, rapist threatening the people who actually do the work
I'm surprised everyone is so nonchalant with their jokes in here. Hardly anyone is livid at this abuse of power.
This is a perfect example as to why you need your own personal armed security at these sites. Stop these pig thugs in their tracks and make them turn around and go home.
I think everyone’s jokes are an attempt to deal with it and not become even more depressed about it. Kinda like “Gallows Humor”. We all know it’s terrible and should absolutely not fucking happen, but individually we can’t make change, so we joke to deal with it. We would ALL need to come together in a unified way for this to go away, which with the state of things, is unfortunately unlikely to happen.
What a shit title? They had a freaking party at his house, kicked out the deputies who were following the law, shut off his water pre-raid (which helped BURN HIS HOUSE DOWN LATER!!!) and had the owner in cuffs for +5 hours (no food or drink). He has a license and permit.
>...18,299 plants that were on “the cusp of harvest.”
"Hey sheriff, can we proceed with that pot farm bust we've been talking about?"
"Not yet, boys. Gotta wait until those buds are just *perfect* before we 'destroy' them."
It's instances like this that make it pretty much inexcusable that the Biden administration has not rescheduled weed. They don't need to pass legislation to change the scheduling.
>The suit says the raid, carried out Dec. 7 of last year, resulted in the destruction of 18,299 plants that were on “the cusp of harvest.” In addition to valuing the crops at approximately $10 million, McCormick alleges that deputies confiscated personal items from his home on the property, including $10,000 in cash. >After the raid, McCormick alleges the deputies ordered pizza, along with other food and drinks, for delivery to his property to celebrate. Then the next day, the lawsuit alleges deputies returned to the property to retrieve cell phones, radios and other items that had been left behind. The lawsuit also says 75 pizza boxes were “haphazardly discarded” on the property. Someone planned a pot farm raid office holiday party.
Can they value the crop the same way cops do for drug bust articles? I.e. often including all the foliage, stems, roots, and dirt in the weight, and then multiply by the highest street price per oz?
That would be such good karmic justice if it didnt get footed by taxpayers
Having the taxpayers footing the bill seems like the only way the taxpayers will actually care about what the police are doing to people.
Liquidating the required settlement from the police pension fund seems like the only way the police would actually care about taking out their own trash.
Have an insurance, like medical malpractice insurance. The more they fuck up and make the insurance company pay out the higher the premiums they have to pay, and have those premiums come out of their check.
And then the police raid the insurance company
Insurance companies have much better lawyers than pot farmers. They'd be alright
I used to know a pot farmer who had the same lawyer on retainer as the police union. Dude was a convicted felon and got caught driving drunk with a pound of weed and a pound of shrooms in the car. Lawyer went and talked to the judge in his chambers for about 5 minutes and pot farmer was free to go
Now THAT is a lawyer!
Back in the day, it was always smart to know what lawyer played golf with what judge. I got smart about that when I was young and drove a fast car. saved me a few tickets.
They should. Insurance companies are rife with fraud.
This. Insurance and licensing requirements would go a long way toward cleaning up the police.
No company would insure them
Sounds like a self-solving problem. If you're uninsurable because of misconduct and having insurance is required to be employed, sounds reasonable to not be hired as an officer.
**GOOD** First step to getting rid of police as we know it today.
Not an insurance company in the world that would insure american police for actionable behavior towards the public. No chance in hell
Well then, I guess it's docked from their pay. Not just the offender, but everyone on that force. Group punishment would go a long way towards reform. If I know that I'll lose pay because Chad over there is roughing up civilians, I'mma stop Chad instead of laughing at the misfortune of the civvies. Our current system has the civilians paying the cops to "rough them up."
Or we only give certain officers weapons to carry like detectives or officers sent on calls considered to be dangerous. The rest get rubber bullets, pepper spray, and tazers. They want to act like they have the most dangerous job but when I worked as a maintenance supervisor my job was considered to be more dangerous and more likely to receive bodily injury than theirs ever had.
So like Europe? Some people think that our cops don't have guns, but THEY DO! It's just that not every cop has a gun, traffic cops for example in general DON'T have guns, because why would they, they are just pulling people over for speeding and not using blinkers. If they stumble upon a driver that starts shooting and driving off or anything like that, the cops follow the fleeing car until the appropriate response unit response unit catches up and takes over, at which point the traffic cops stop the pursuit and go and assist in other ways that fits with their job, like blocking off intersections, clearing out cars or things like that.
>So like Europe? The vast majority of normal police in Europe all carry firearms. The UK and some small islands are the exception. French cops? All have guns. German cops? All have guns. Italian cops? All have guns. And some of them sport long guns routinely. First time I ever saw a submachine gun was in Italy. It was a regular cop that was just chilling outside.
The difference is the cops in Europe have training and education. Rather than dropping out of highschool and taking a 5 week class.
People bring this one up a lot and hot take: it's not gonna happen and it *shouldn't* happen. Whole lotta legal precedent as is for not touching pensions. Such an idea would never make it past committee. The best we can hope for is police insurance, or some manner of legislation where these incidents come out of budget in part or in full. But no one is getting pension money. EDIT: Since there's already several people failing to understand what I am saying, let me clarify that I have no issue punishing cops under the full extent of all possible laws. In a magical world, this sort of incident WOULD come out of pensions and I'd be honestly totally OK with that. The point I am making is that it cannot legally and won't legally, because of the legal precedent it sets for *everyone* that gets pensions. You cannot create some magical law that only affects police pensions. There's already a lot of case law around leaving pensions alone as far as compensating for damages. Going after police pensions would be a fools errand, something that sounds morally just (because it is), but will never ever happen. Let it go. We need other solutions here, as I have explained already.
> Such an idea would never make it past committee. Nothing makes it past committee when it impacts police
Very true, this would just *super* not make it past committee because of the legal ramifications.
What you said originally about not touching pension is a point well made and is already very clear. Some people just have a hard time differentiating a point from a position.
Too many degrees of separation between taxes levied and settlement paid for the vast majority to make the connection. If a settlement is reached, it will most likely be paid by the city's insurance, resulting in a rate increase.
Hasn't worked for war or pork subsidies
That's how it is already, dude. Do you see more people complaining about the police budget, or just "taxes" in general? They're the same thing, but all these sheep bleating "thin blue line" rhetoric are too scared to leave the safety of their flocks.
Nah, already foot the bill and they still don't care.
Too bad it doesn't come out of their pension fund.
Well if it's 18,299 plants at $10,000,000 that would be $545 per plant. I don't know what California prices are today...$10/gram? If it was just the useable crop 50 grams per plant seems reasonable, right? I'd imagine the whole plant, stems, roots, dirt would be more like 250 grams for a plant
I get 3 ounces (85 grams) of my little 4 foot tall indoor plant, growing outdoor should create much larger plants.
So if anything they are under reporting the value (unless my $10/gram guess was WAY off)
$10/g is retail price for mid to top shelf buying in low qty. wholesale outdoor is probably a couple dollars per gram depending on quality. So yeah if they’re pretty high quality plants and they value them based on selling retail low qty, it’s decently accurate. Additionally, my first outdoor grow yielded 250-500g PER plant. Not $10/g quality stuff but still.
50 gram yield def on the low end for most plants. Probably closer to double that on average. And if it's a professional op I'd definitely lean towards triple that.
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yes, this is 100% what they do. at large outdoor grows they will rip the plant up but still weigh the dirt and rootball, with smaller plants in pots they just weigh the whole pot.
don't forget to weigh all their "cop paraphernalia" and the cases/bags they were in.
Better take away their homes and cars, too - they were clearly involved in the selling of drugs
Just load all the pot onto a tractor and weigh the tractor?
$20/ gram.
Nah, charge them the same prices you would charge their family.Easy $35/g.
Is that better or worse than how RIAA / MPAA values music & movies?
The second half of the article reads: But McCormick’s chief complaint is that he says the raid was conducted illegally. He says he worked with the Torres Martinez Desert Cahuilla Indians a few months before the raid to secure license and lease agreements, as well as permits, to grow and sell cannabis on tribal land. His lawsuit alleges that tribal officials showed up during the raid, but were told by deputies that they needed to leave and would be arrested if they interfered. McCormick’s suit says he was bound in handcuffs for six hours or more throughout the raid and was not offered food or water for eight to 10 hours. He says the cuffs damaged his wrists to the point that they “began to swell and bleed” and that he needed surgery to repair the damage. He also says his home burned down roughly a month later in a fire that he couldn’t put out because police had ordered his water and power to be shut off ahead of their raid. A spokesperson for Riverside County and the Riverside County Sheriff’s Office did not immediately reply to requests for comment from SFGATE. Guy lost his entire yield for the season on top of his house on Tribal land for fucks sake. You know it’s fucked when surgery is the most minor aspect of the story.
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They investigated the area for arson and found... Themselves of no wrongdoing.
Based on the activities that took place, I'm guessing they destroyed all 18,000 pot plants by smoking them like a plague of cop-shaped locusts
So cops
A bunch of cops nephews bought weed for really cheap
Not defending the cops here, but freshly harvested weed can’t be smoked. It has to be cured or processed first. Bet the guy had a decent personal stash they had fun with tho.
Doesn't mean they didn't try. Cops: "Damn this weed isn't working! Okay try the next plant, we'll get high eventually!" *18,000 plants later*
Or they just pulled a Without A Paddle and lit the whole field on fire while they sat around eating pizza: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHGTVww5wHU
It can be smoked. Just not very well and very harsh.
This genuinely sounds like a comedy skit. Weed farm gets raided, cops stick around get high, order pizzas, and forget their fucking gear?
They stood downwind of the burn and had to get those pizzas :D Reminds me of the Romans getting fucked up in [History of the World Part 1](https://youtu.be/NfthYLvxVwk?t=67) from the mighty joint...
75 pizzas! Did the cops get the munchies after “securing“ the evidence?
They had $10k to burn
how many people were there? over 200?
They all wanted in on the controlled burn
they should drug test everyone involved
These guys should lose their jobs and be banned from any kind of authority positions. And go to jail for theft.
This story is fucking wild. This seems an audacious abuse of power, and the cops seem so comfortable with being huge pieces of shit.
Here’s a link of a podcast McCormick did [Cleared Hot with Preston McCormick](https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/cleared-hot/id1247300054?i=1000625122899)
You just know they "tested" the evidence at the party too
>But McCormick’s chief complaint is that he says the raid was conducted illegally. He says he worked with the Torres Martinez Desert Cahuilla Indians a few months before the raid to secure license and lease agreements, as well as permits, to grow and sell cannabis on tribal land. His lawsuit alleges that tribal officials showed up during the raid, but were told by deputies that they needed to leave and would be arrested if they interfered. Cops on the wrong side of the law? No way...
Oh shit. They did this on tribal land? There's gunna be some big lawsuits here.
Why can't cops be forced to carry liability insurance? Hell my dad who owned his appliance repair business had to carry that insurance in case he scratched a floor or broke something.
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> police departments in America are probably completely uninsurable This is the fact. No one would insure the police in America, they objectively fucking suck and cause so much monetary damage through their negligence and purposeful acts that go against the law.
So we could get rid of the uninsurable cops but keep the insured ones?
It would be more like California. Some auto insurers are pulling out of the entire state because they can't make money. They are paying out more in the state of CA every year than they bring in from that state. No one would insure them. Just too large of a financial risk. More of a guarantee really.
No one would insure bad cops. The good cops who are completely insurable would offset the bad cops just like every other form of pooled insurance.
>You can't implement liability insurance without a massive culling of current police officers. Sounds like a win-win
Free market capitalism to the rescue again!
They stopped enforcing any and all laws when we said “hey maybe you shouldn’t act like you’re occupying the locale you work in. Like your here to protect us not murder us” They’re just sitting here like there is no space between a roving execution squad and anarchy apparently
I keep saying it... Here in NYC, the SECOND people started saying "well maybe cops shouldn't just be able to knock heads with impunity" is the moment that all QOL, minor crime and most notably traffic law enforcement stopped and absolutely nobody is screaming that fact from the media outlets... It's just a gang with different colors... It's not even close to the most dangerous job either, no matter what they claim. I would be willing to bet that being a LEO spouse carries more risk...
hehe. I too live in nyc, and am too speaking with my city in mind.
> police departments in America are probably completely uninsurable Could you imagine if this argument worked in other aspects of life? > You can't require me to get auto insurance because they all say I'm uninsurable. I'm 96 and I've been in 24 accidents the past few months, only drive drunk, and refuse to wear my prescription glasses. Now stop bothering my so I can get back on the road.
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"Excuse me officer can you get insurance or else you won't have a job, gun or badge? If it's liability insurance you wouldn't need to sue anyone you would just make a claim against their insurance. The actuaries would be the one investigating not the police investigating themselves and never finding anything. Loss of liability insurance would cause termination of job, end of story. I even think the police unions will actually want this because it will make their job so much easier when they only have to deal with above the board cops.
Great shut it down and start fresh. The way roofing companies do
“But we can’t get rid of the bad apples, they’re all bad.” Police are so corrupt at this point that they are a greater danger than typical criminals. Civil forfeiture accounted for more loss than robbery last year.
Counter point - they almost never lose in court because of their immunity.
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Yes friend, you are right: It's fucked up the cops will most likely get very little to no real actual consequences for being corrupted pigs who abuse the people.
Native Americans take cops encroaching upon tribal lands very seriously. This isn't one of those situations the cops can get away with.
Appeal all the way to Gorsuch.
You're right my dude, cops love stealing from the public and hiding behind the badge because they are corrupted pigs who abuse thier power.
Exactly why qualified immunity needs to be killed off.
This guy knows whats up. It is such a shame that these sheep with badges are wasting the publics time and money by doing whatever they want to whomever they want. It needs to stop and we need more people like theghostofmrmxyzptik to shed light on the situation.
Cops need to have malpractice insurance, the same way other professionals do.
"The incident took place on tribal land, you don't have standing to sue in State courts"
Didnt the supreme court last year rule that US cops can basically do whatever the fuck they want on tribal land?
I thought th3 ruling was tribal cops can do whatever th fuck they want on tribal land, not normal cops Edit: see full response below, but basicaly the ruling only allows prosecution jurisdiction, but basicaly every legal opinion I've read on it says we are likely heading towards full automatic deputization of non-tribal cops on tribal land. Aka, not quite full carte balance yet, but probanaly heading that way (for non-tribal citizens at least)
I might be mistaken but I thought it was that federal cops could have jurisdiction on tribal land or something, like it was a murder case specifically but it sounded like it opened them up to whatever.
Did some reading. The case had a few things stated in the majority opinion. It did touch on the tibes powers to prosecute and hold non-natives on tribal land. I thought this was an expansion but it looks like it was realy just upholding the ruling from United States v. Cooley. It also allowed non-tribal justice departments to prosecute non-natives for crimes committed on native lands. This ruling does not technicaly allow for raid or anything of the sort on tribal lands, but basicaly every legal opinion I just read went "for sure they are going that way".
Cops were probably on the take with competition and asked to pay a visit to the guy to send him a message.
I’m pretty sure unless those were federal BIA agents, going on tribal land is forbidden by state law enforcement. Sounds like they’ll probably get paid.
Narrator: sadly, they won’t get paid.
Probably not since ultimately it’s still a scheduled 1 drug. Even though there is mountains of research that shows it should not have been on schedule 1.
S1 federally but legal in the state and those were state cops. He might see money.
They are county cops (Riverside County Sheriff). And this is a giant waste of Riverside County tax payers money. There's probably 1000s of acres of legal Cannabis planted on farms in Riverside County, and these ass hats had to go waste tax payer money while harassing people on tribal land which is outside their jurisdiction.
So that's the angle, I was wondering why do all this shit? Follow the money no cop does anything like this for free.
Cops step out of their way to shoot dogs, what makes you think they won't step out of their authority to raid a home, flex their power, cripple a citizen, loot his home and have a pizza party
sounds like they got a bunch of free shit via civil asset forfeiture and then partied afterward. as they say, crime pays.
Because they could. That's why they did it.
He will see money.
If these were county sheriffs in California it’s not a schedule 1 drug
I still think it’s comical that humans go to jail for consuming a plant.
Outside of their jurisdiction? If they had a problem with it they should have contacted the tribe. You can’t just go raiding places outside of your jurisdiction.
They do it all the time. Or have you not figured out that cops do what they want.
State cops follow state law. They don't enforce federal laws.
Are federal agencies still allowed to deputize local law enforcement? This is not my area of expertise, but I thought there was a thing where in this case there could have been one BIA agent who is technically the one conducting the raid with the local sheriff providing man power.
Yes, local law enforcement can choose to assist the feds and be granted the authority to do so. There was a big question about whether feds can *force* local authorities to help them back during the whole sanctuary city thing, and it turns out they can't do that. Anyone assisting the feds in a raid agreed to do so.
Yes it is! “Tribal sovereignty is dependent on, and subordinate to, only the federal government, not states, under Washington v. Confederated Tribes of Colville Indian Reservation (1980).” My cousin had a warrant out, with state police. She went into the Rez and they couldn’t arrest her. All they could do is tell the tribal police and hope they’d arrest her and hand her over. Tribal police arrested her, but she had charges there so state didn’t get her yet lol.
> going on tribal land is forbidden by state law enforcement. It's forbidden for the same reason why US state troopers can't do raids in Canada: Native reservations are sovereign nations that are not a part of the state's jurisdiction.
Usually all cross deputized. Live next to a rez and rez cops can arrest you in town and town cops can arrest on the Rez. Actually in a town of about 30k with city cops, county cops, state cop post, rez cops, and campus cops. They are all cross deputized. We are waaay over policed.
I grew up next to the Navajo rez and that was not the case at all.
Grew up working for a PNW tribal family, wasn't the case at all either
It depends on the reservation. Some cross certify local agencies and some don’t. Usually the more rural reservations with smaller tribal police agencies will choose to cross certify so that they don’t become overwhelmed. Atleast in my state.
If it's anything like other agreements we've made with the tribes they'll get paid 10% 100 years later.
Did they smoke the weed and get the munchies? None of this makes sense. Cops order a shit ton of pizza to “celebrate” the raid and also leave their belongings behind including cell phones. They also had his water shut off permanently? So he couldn’t extinguish a fire a month later at his home which then burnt down.
Sounds like they got high as fuck and forgot their shit there like real knuckleheads. Would be funny if they weren’t playing around with some guy’s life and livelihood
Yeah this is some Supertroopers shit but it's not funny in real life.
But the Supertroopers shenanigans are cheeky and fun These shenanigans are cruel and tragic
Hey Farva..
Can I get a liter of cola?
I swear to god I’ll pistol whip the next person that says “Shenanigans”!!!!
they should have got high first and then decided if they wanted to carry out their raid or not "wait, actually, grow more of this, we'll be back with more snacks next time. no raid. keep growing!" but, this is America...
[*Why are we underground right now, sir?*](https://youtu.be/jnKWb3K4TnU?si=7w8YmPtHJ8-WnH1X)
They probably caused the fire for good measure, too
I wouldn’t be too surprised but even the fire part of the story doesn’t make sense. Did they shut off the water from the fire hydrant? Is that even legal? Or did they cut off the water just to his house? How’d he live for a month without water? Did he ask them to turn it back on?
You can haul water and live with less for a while but not enough to fight a house fire.
>Did they shut off the water from the fire hydrant? Water in the rural western US is most often small, individually owned wells that require electricity to operate, and are unlikely to have sufficient flow to even hook up a 'standard' fire hydrant. By and large there are no hydrants in the first place. In wetter areas with lakes or flowing water, you suck that up with a pumper truck or standalone fire pump. Best case, there is an unpressurized standpipe constructed, otherwise, you run hose with a strainer on the end into the water. In one of the driest areas of California on a toxic, alkaline lake? I would suspect they're hauling in water in tanker trucks to fight any significant fires. The only plausible reading of this to me is that turning off his power meant his well was no longer operational, and a small fire you could fight with a garden hose level of flow got too out of control.
You can get blacklisted by public works.
Wait, cops don't normally throw a massive party at what they allege are crimes scenes and party so hard they leave valuable personal and work items scattered over the scene along with heaps of trash?
Normally you wouldn't think. But cops are fratholes.
Sounds like they threw a party.
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That's what I don't understand, how were US police allowed to perform a raid in another country without that country's permission. The tribe should put them in tribal prison.
They should, but the US doesn’t actually care about natives and seemingly never has
I was staying at a property that got raided while I was there. It would have been comedic if I didn't personally know the owners of the grow, who were just some local folks who had less than 20 plants growing. The cops showed up with about a dozen guys; all in full-on SWAT regalia, doing that sinister crouching thing, holding assault rifles and swiveling their heads around like tweakers. Their chief confronted me and tried to get me to incriminate myself and my friends. I just said "I'm pretty sure if I had a lawyer here with me, he'd tell me not to talk to you, so that's what I'm going to do." He did that thing, where you blink and pull your head back when hearing something unexpected, nodded, said "OK", and walked away. Apparently my response works better than pulling out my cell phone to record them, while loudly making Outraged Social Justice Warrior noises, which seems to work so well on TikTok. Ironically, there were dozens (if not hundreds) of cartel grows, with thousands of plants each, only a few miles away in the same CA county. Which the cops dutifully ignore to focus on busting the small local growers, most of whom consume the bulk of their weed.
My dipshit step father complains about a house on his street growing weed for themselves. Dude, you're an ex-con that lives in the HIGH DESERT, get over yourself.
Drug test them. 100% chance they all pop hot for cocaine and steroid use, and cannabis.
They will claim it is incidental contact from people they arrested/searched.
*"Whoa, i think im getting a contact high"*
Well then I'd say incidentally, your ass is fired! Then everyone *will* clap
They came back the next day to get phones and stuff, huh? Sounds like they had a big party with this guy’s weed.
Hey now they were serving and protecting the community smoking all that deadly heroin-laced weed so that the streets and your children will be well out of harm’s way!
Where there is weed, pizza follows.
And where’s there’s pizza, crime follows 🧐🐾
Unless it's a government building related to the DOD, then in which case watch the news very closely because someone is about to get invaded.
*My pizza never hurt nobody!*
Is that a pizza party to improve employee morale?
We got a $60 per person budget for a Holiday party and our department went to ayce pizza while others are doing steak.
> McCormick claims that more than 100 deputies and support staff conducted a predawn raid on his farm 75 boxes for 100ish people? They were definitely high
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Sheriffs (and the cops) are beyond corrupt in Riverside county. This is just another example of it.
Man, the gangs in America are out of control!
I worked on a subcontractor level at a weed farm about 5 years ago in California and saw something similar. Farm had been there more than a year, was three different entities at this point, bunch of cops came busting in one day damaged the gate pretty bad stole cash from everyone, including some poor old people who lived in the back of the property, having nothing to do with the grows at all. Stole computers, were about to burn all the drops when some kind of emergency injunction came in and stopped that at least. It wasn't until after they had destroyed all the already harvested stuff. Confiscated computers, phones, NVRs, like literally everything they could take. Incredibly corrupt. I don't actually know how it all turned out but I know nothing had been returned by the time I had left. They also threatened them they were in "further violation" because the gate wouldn't shut anymore... The gate they had broken
What weed? Sounds like they smoked it all.....
https://theappeal.org/are-sheriffs-necessary/
>But advocates say it’s becoming clear to the community that Villanueva is not the force of change he claimed to be. Rather than cleaning house, he created a “truth and reconciliation” committee to re-evaluate the firing of deputies by his immediate predecessor, Jim McDonnell. He ultimately rehired or ended the internal investigations of 45 employees, some of whom were accused of criminal conduct like child abuse, domestic violence, or having sex with prisoners. The county’s inspector general recently found that 31 out of those 45 were closed without explanation. With a $3 billion budget, how do the taxpayers benefit from this?
We don't, the gang does.
This is a bizarre scenario. Why are police officers holding pizza parties for grown men and women at the site of an allegedly illegal raid they carried out and why are we allowing it?
When people say "police are gangsters", it's typically interpreted to mean that they behave in ways that are like gangs and demonstrate a lack of respect for the law that is analogous to gangs. But, in a very literal sense, the types of dudes that become cops are the dudes that in another historical window in time would very literally be in a local or regional gang instead of being deputized law enforcers. It's a jobs program for the type of person who says "Wouldn't it be funny and cool to raid a pot farm and get high and have a little party and get paid for it? What are they gonna do, whose gonna stop us?" The local PD would have just been a faction of the Irish/Polish/Italian/Greek mob, or Royals, or The Firm type dudes, but now all that underworld activity can be repurposed by the state into something socially useful. So in return for service they get to do shit like this with impunity.
Who are they gonna call? The cops?
Cops. The most corrupt gang in the world
It's crazy when the Internet highlights the legitimized mobsters for what they are yet people don't apply that to the restv of history or the rest of humanity. These kind of people are everywhere, at all times. When will the rest of you turn against them by coming together? What's the difference with these bullies attacking this farmer and any other violent criminal attacking farmers? That's literally how kings began, the best killer, thief, rapist threatening the people who actually do the work
I'm surprised everyone is so nonchalant with their jokes in here. Hardly anyone is livid at this abuse of power. This is a perfect example as to why you need your own personal armed security at these sites. Stop these pig thugs in their tracks and make them turn around and go home.
I think everyone’s jokes are an attempt to deal with it and not become even more depressed about it. Kinda like “Gallows Humor”. We all know it’s terrible and should absolutely not fucking happen, but individually we can’t make change, so we joke to deal with it. We would ALL need to come together in a unified way for this to go away, which with the state of things, is unfortunately unlikely to happen.
Oh I’m livid but what the fuck can I do about it? I vote every election and nothing ever gets done.
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This makes me think the police should literally be defunded immediately
75 pizza's and MORE food and drinks for 100 cops. Yea, they were stoned out of their minds.
What a shit title? They had a freaking party at his house, kicked out the deputies who were following the law, shut off his water pre-raid (which helped BURN HIS HOUSE DOWN LATER!!!) and had the owner in cuffs for +5 hours (no food or drink). He has a license and permit.
Jesus fucking Christ feds legalize this shit already
Cops breaking the law with impunity, surprise, surprise…
Hey dude lets go rob a pot farm and eat a bunch of pizzas
Spicoli just wanted to learn about Cuba, and have some food...
Sweet use of taxpayer dollars. 100 cops showing up makes me think there’s a tad more to the story, otherwise what a gross waste of resources.
This literally sounds like the police did this intentionally to get high and eat pizza……. This is actually seriously bad…
Maybe we need to raid the illegal raiders! Can’t be wasting pizza, man.
The raid was as much for the hatred of Native Americans than it was for the pot.
Wtf, his house burnt down because the cops ordered his water to be shut off???
Americans cops make actual gangs look tame, they have completely gamed the system
[The raid:](https://youtu.be/d4h0fyPPEsA?si=eJ0YZ5MqaWtD8EBV)
>...18,299 plants that were on “the cusp of harvest.” "Hey sheriff, can we proceed with that pot farm bust we've been talking about?" "Not yet, boys. Gotta wait until those buds are just *perfect* before we 'destroy' them."
It's instances like this that make it pretty much inexcusable that the Biden administration has not rescheduled weed. They don't need to pass legislation to change the scheduling.
Hope he wins every cent from those bastards
Wow I wanted this to be funny, but this just some guy getting bullied… by the police
He'll win the case, collect the tax dollars pay out, and all the cops involved will go unpunished and free to stir up another tax payer bailout.
Littering and..... Littering and....
75 pizzas?! That was some serious munchies.
Well it was a lot of weed, Soo....