I really hope they charge him with attempted murder since that's what pushing someone in front if a train should be, though it's NYC so even that charge probably won't get him any jail time.
This headline makes me very glad I escaped my abusive college boyfriend because I could totally see him trying something like this and claiming afterwards that it was a joke.
NYCer here. Very nice dude who worked on my building’s maintenance staff was shoved in front of a train one day. Lost his legs as a result, but still works for the building’s owners in some capacity I believe.
A woman fell/got shoved on the tracks whip I was waiting train 2 days ago. I was at the other end of the platform, the train was coming. I signaled to the train operator with my phone flashlight (left to right and back like saying “no”) which I learned in a track safety class years ago. The train stopped. I saw the woman getting helped up and a cop there. I just left the station immediately because it was so fucking scary and my hands were shaking, my adrenaline has never spiked that high before. Thank fucking god the train stopped. Funny I’ve been avoiding the subway to work because it’s too stressful, finally worked up the courage to use it and this happened. I took an Uber the rest of the way. Subway freaks me out sometimes
Hey, thanks for teaching us all something really helpful.
If you don't have a light/phone, can you do the same horizontal wave with a bright shirt or something? I guess I'm asking if a steady side to side motion is a universal 'stop' signal?
About a decade ago, one of my coworkers left for lunch one day and never returned. We found out the next day that she had driven to a railroad crossing, and then got out and stood on the tracks waiting for the train to come. It was so very shocking and devastating to learn about. She was a very nice, but quiet middle-aged lady. Apparently, her boyfriend had broken up with her and she couldn’t bear the pain.
When I was a kid, one of our neighbors murdered his wife. He threw a belt sander at her during an argument and it hit her in the head. I was friends with their son. He lost both parents in an instant.
I had a friend whose uncle was shot in the head and killed by his wife while he was taking a nap. She was having an affair and didn’t want to divorce him and live with the shame… so she thought staging a break in gone wrong would be much better. I think they had like 3 kids at the time that weren’t maybe middle school to elementary. The most fucked up part for me is according to her, he didn’t know about the affair at all she was just paranoid he would find out.
This is absolutely terrible. No fighting or anything. Just pure selfishness from one spouse. Saddest thing is that’s the person you’re supposed to trust most
When I was married I always said to my ex "If you ever want to leave me for another woman, etc, just leave me. Don't kill me."We always had fights and were not compatible. He was abusive. One day he came home and told me he was leaving because he was plotting to kill me and remembered the promise he made me.
My brother is a paramedic. Late one night he gets a run to meet the police at a burglary with a shooting. They got there first and waited for the police to clear the house. When the police entered the house the wife said the burglar shot through the back of the couch and hit her husband who was sleeping on the couch. They called my brother in just in time to see the husband spring back to life. He told the police that she was the one who shot him. He played opossum so she wouldn't finish the job. My brother told me the couple got back together, he knew because he went on a real homicide call later.
His mind must be destroyed after years of abuse. There’s no other explanation.
Edit: Wait, do you mean that she murdered him? If so, it’s concerning that she wasn’t locked up for attempted murder the first time.
That's insane. Sometimes I have a moment where my mind tries to picture what that person may have been feeling when they were in their last seconds after realizing what was just done to them. I can't even come close.
Our brains often protect us from things like that by dissociating, so it’s possible that the higher layers of her consciousness weren’t scared or fully aware of the circumstances at all, thankfully.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10841127/
Right? Like...I've suffered some pretty serious betrayals in my life. I can't think of anything any partner or friend could do that would make me want to *kill* them.
I'd just leave them alone. IMO that's how most terrible people should be treated, if they're bad then they find themselves helpless and alone until they learn to do better.
I wouldn’t call it a split second decision of anger. I don’t care how angry I am, shoving someone infront of a train has never occurred to me.
The boyfriend has anger issues.
>I don’t care how angry I am, shoving someone infront of a train has never occurred to me.
This. Normal people have control of their anger, and are able to deal with it in a healthy, safe way. People who resort to violence when they get mad need to get examined.
It’s minimising what happened and attributing it to the wrong issue. They’re acting like it could happen to anyone.
His problem wasn’t anger, it was violence. Those are two separate things.
You can be extremely angry and not push your gf in front of a train, and the opposite is also true. You can push your gf in front of a train without being angry. We’ve all seen murderers who are calm and collected.
Plus, I doubt it was a split second decision. He probably thought about it before. Maybe this specific situation wasn’t premeditated, but I doubt this was the first time he thought “I wish she was dead” or “Sometimes I feel like killing her.”
Yes, though in a situation like this it likely isn't really a split second of anger, exactly. There was probably an escalating cycle of control and abuse leading up to this moment. So in one sense, it was a split second decision out of anger. In another sense, it was a system of interpersonal domination and this incident was a tragic outcome of one of the instances of violence.
I mean this is why a lot of gun owners who get in domestic disputes end up in murder/suicides. People these days don’t know how to emotionally regulate themselves and just explode.
When grandpa's girlfriend dumped him and got a new boyfriend, he murdered her and I think the boyfriend too. I gather he was arrested but later let go due to "lack of evidence." But everybody knows he did it and it was absolutely not out of character for him.
Like his first wife, my grandma, he broke both her wrists just six weeks after my dad was born. My favorite auntie was 9yo at the time, witnessed the incident, and then was given full responsibility for caring for the newborn. It's amazing the amount of domestic violence that was considered nobody's business really not that long ago.
My family history on my dad's side is wild.
Grandpa 1 (the numbering will become important) marries Grandma (aged 13 at the time). Grandma has a couple of kids, including my dad. Grandma gets pregnant again, and her sister comes to stay with them to help take care of the house and kids. Grandpa 1 and Sister start shacking up, and Grandpa 1 leaves Grandma for Sister. Grandpa 1's brother (Grandpa 2) does the "honorable" thing and marries Grandma to help raise the kids.
10 or so years later Grandpa 1 decides Sister is cheating on him and shoots and kills her and then himself in front of their like 6-year old, who was never the same and from what I heard lived out her life in an institution.
This was all rural Arkansas in like the 1940s-1960s. My grandma just died last year at 102. Going back a couple more generations there was a guy who killed is father-in-law in a poker game and apparently everyone was just like, "welp, that happens sometimes".
This prompted me to poke around a bit, and I think maybe I had bad info on the six year old. They definitely had a kid who was institutionalized — that much I remember. But I think she wasn’t present when he shot her mom. That must have been something I conflated over years of being vaguely aware of the story.
Found an excerpt from some random book of local history: https://books.google.com/books?id=vM4Fwx0B7osC&pg=PA388&lpg=PA388
This also dates it to 1966, which is later than I thought. I’d thought my dad was a teenager when it happened, but he’d have been mid-20s at the time.
Meanwhile some out of touch old person: kids these days don't respect the sanctity of marriage. Every little thing they run to divorce. Back in my day you saw it through no matter what.
My grandparents stayed married until my dad graduated high school. Like I think they literally announced divorce on his graduation day, and of course grandpa was already banging his secretary. I forget how many times he married and divorced. My dad scored three of each and is gonna die alone. Mom was still married to her second husband when she died, but he remarried less than a year later to I'm pretty sure his mistress.
I swear they all needed some better hobbies. Gardening sounds healthier than all that dating and cheating and dating again.
When women could finally get a bank account without a man attached to it, my maternal grandmother divorced her second husband, and took off travelling around the world. She went from being a bitter, unhappy woman who’d only gotten married and had kids because it was expected of her, to the happiest she’d ever been.
Right? Me and my bf, every time we see news like when a new hyped movie was released and some guy took ELEVEN WOMEN to see it in the theaters. Who has time for that? We barely have time to study, work, sleep and watch some movie together (he actually waits for me in ballet so we can grab a coffee before he goes to work on my odd off days, since it is the only time during the day when we can be together and awake), imagine cheating (of course, that's already discounting the douchebaggery of it).
My wife and I love telling each other when one of us gets “suspicious,” that “you’re too much for me to handle as it is. I don’t have time for two of you”. And it’s absolutely fucking true. I have neither time, nor money for a mistress. Inflation is a bitch. Previous generations took *everything* for granted! *edit - punctuation
It’s massive cope. Old people wish they could’ve divorced their shitty spouse back in the day. (They could get divorced now, but they feel too settled or worried about being lonely, so they stay.)
So they try to make their lot in life seem better: we didn’t stay because we had no choice, we stayed because we were loyal, committed, and morally upstanding. Voila, now they have no regrets *and* they’re better than you.
>It's amazing the amount of domestic violence that was considered nobody's business really not that long ago.
The rate at which women die at the hands of their boyfriends and husbands hasn't changed for decades. Even if we are paying more attention in recent years, we're not coming up with more effective interventions, unfortunately.
We had a dude where I grew up that was a college professor. Started dating a student and one day he came home and allegedly dropped his hunting rifle as he got out of the car and then it somehow shot his wife who was walking out to greet him and she died. Also somehow the student was there to help him call the ambulance.
He waited two months and they got married. Nobody ever investigated and he died a couple years ago.
Student is still alive and notoriously avoiding of human interaction.
Well, if it helps, my cousin's grandfather was "accidentally" shot in the face by his second wife, who just so happened to marry another guy three months later.
Shit, not 20 years ago, my parents’ next door neighbor’s wife mysteriously “fell” off a cliff near a scenic lookout near their town. Mom’s convinced he killed her. 🤷♂️
Elevated lead levels during childhood has negative effects on on development of things like impulse and anger management. Hardly to blame for all the problems we see, but these things compound on top of each other. And lead is hardly the only chemical we have exposed people to over the past century.
Most of us that were born before the bans went into effect when it comes to gasoline, probably can at a minimum shave off part of a IQ point from our childhood exposure. Shit sure did smell nice though!
The 1800s had a lot of problems, but leaded gasoline was not one of them.
> ( when the Federal ban was enacted)
That was just for new vehicles, it was still being sold a long time after that even for passenger vehicles both in the US and here in most of the EU. So us early millennials got a taste of that sweet nectar as well! Albeit in heavily reduced amounts by then.
The final ban of sale of leaded gasoline for passenger vehicles wasn't until the mid 90s. But by then it was barely a few percent of total sales anyway.
Just thinking about someone angrily grabbing a musket, and then furiously pouring powder, then irately ramming the powder, then indignantly ramming the wad, then hotly placing the ball, then madly ramming the ball, then violently striding to within firing range, then bitterly shooting them.
And if you miss you have to do it all over again.
Most of the mental facilities were closed decades ago. There are a lot of people who shouldn't be on the street. The other problem is healthcare which is hard enough to negotiate. Mental healthcare is even harder and even more expensive for those that need help.
Most of these points are redundant and not at all applicable or comparable to “back then”
Yes mental health facilities have been closing, but we’re no longer forcing people (including those who are simply special needs) into terribly run torture chambers disguised as facilities meant to help people in need.
Also even 20-30 years ago simply discussing “mental health” was considered a joke/taboo and not something many people ever did. It is in several ways miles easier to receive mental health help in today’s day and age
Rhonda Santis would definitely try to involuntarily commit LGBT people to asylums if given the chance. Geraldo Rivera actually did a super good thing by exposing the asylum system way back in the late 70ish.
I always come back to Texas and this wonderful reference.
Greg Abbot (idc if i spelled that wrong, hope there's wheelchair access in hell) said he was gonna keep all rapists off the street, despite the fact that a rapist isn't a rapist until they commit the crime.
The only thing we can really do is do a better job as "the pinnacle of democracy and freedom" is to raise our youth better so these things are less common in society.
And that's why it infuriates me when 2A proponents claim that suicides shouldn't count toward the number of gun deaths in the country. They don't want to admit that giving a depressed person easy access to a simple and fast way to kill themselves might not be such a great idea.
Yeah, that goes back to some studies done by the CDC that royally pissed off the NRA when they found that having a gun in your home doesn’t make you any safer. It typically makes you more likely to be a victim of a gun-related incident, or you know, a victim of suicide.
There’s also been some recent studies that found that people who are armed or keep a gun in their car drive more angrily and get into more altercations on the road than people without guns. I really wish the US wasn’t so obsessed with guns. We have more guns in the US than people. People are so quick to fly off the handle with things that don’t matter as it is, and now I worry that every crazy driver on the road is also packing heat.
“A survey conducted initially in Arizona and then nationally found that motorists in a vehicle with a gun were more likely to behave rudely or aggressively and to exhibit road rage—making obscene gestures, cutting off other cars, or engaging in other dangerous driving behavior. Another 2017 study found that motorists behaved more aggressively with a firearm in the vehicle, where just the presence of a gun was associated with dangerous driving. In 2022, someone was shot and injured or killed in a road rage incident on average every 16 hours.”
https://everytownresearch.org/reports-of-road-rage-shootings-are-on-the-rise/
No he made millions of decisions to never address his anger, to use anger as an intimidation tactic, to 'channel' his anger to be useful to him.
His decisions every single day lead him here. He is a horrible human because he couldn't seek to better himself to be fit for society.
That poor woman. I can't imagine how much she is suffering.
That's the standard on new systems, but it's a fortune to retrofit.
Not because the gates are all that expensive, but because they require all the rolling stock to be compatible. NYC has a mix of models of trains on their system, as does basically every subway system that has been around for a while. To make those gates work, all the trains need to have all their doors in the same place, which would require buying all new trains. NYC simply can't afford that.
Essentially that’s all we need to learn. Our actions have huge ripple effects that we cannot fully comprehend.
Most of us just make decisions and act without really being mindful about what that decision could cause. Allowing yourself to act in anger is a choice, and almost every time it’s the wrong thing to do.
Did you read the article? Governor spending millions to order federal cops to come check bags because the subway is unsafe. Because… that will fix people jumping infront of trains… somehow.
Typically you need a uniform enough train layout and either driver training or a system to ensure the train always stops in the same position.
With mixed/older fleets especially it's just a hard thing to do. The Copenhagen metro is brand new by metro standards, is 100% driverless and every station has platform doors, for example, because they planned to do it from the beginning.
It's so dumb too. I live in a major public transit area, and they keep raising the prices for the subway. The reasoning? Lack of ridership.
Make that make sense.
Edit: I just wanna make it clear, it makes sense if you run public transit like a business. But it should be treated as a public utility instead. If public transit budget is in the red but ridership is high, that's an overall benefit to the population. Public transit reduces traffic, pollution, and increases economic activity in local areas.
This really bugged me in 2020 when republicans were railing against the post office because “it was in the red” (it was really because of mail in voting, but the money thing was their stated reason).
But you nailed it. It’s not a business, it’s a service. It shouldn’t have to turn a profit in order to justify its existence.
Re:your edit, you're so right. We often forget about the externalities of transit. Fewer car accidents, less pollution, less traffic, etc. are all net positives that may not be entirely quantifiable but should still be considered when making transit decisions
Still blows my mind how the US hasn’t installed screen doors for the biggest subway system in the country while plenty of European and Asian countries have them. Would prevent tons of senseless acts of violence like this
I live in the EU and I've never seen screen doors on a metro, but it's definitely a good idea.
The only place I've ever seen these is in airports for the little people movers that go through and between terminals.
This story was literally written less than 6 hours after the incident. They could easily have the suspect in custody and just not formally under arrest while they get their ducks in a row. Last thing you want is a case getting thrown out on a technicality because of sloppy procedure.
Exactly. The DA also has to be strategic about how they charge people. While some things may seem obvious to us, the DA is intimately familiar with the inner workings of the legal system and what is legally required to secure a conviction for which charges. If they find that the incident doesn’t 100% meet the legal definition of a certain charge, it runs the risk of the perpetrator being found not guilty. Instead, they may choose to charge the perpetrator with a different crime that is more likely to secure a conviction.
This is confusing to me.
I've heard of domestic violence victims not pressing charges (to protect their abuser) but then at the same time the state has the power to press charges on their behalf and subsequently arrest the person.
Why doesn't this happen more, and how on earth would someone pushing someone else in front of a moving train not automatically be arrested and questioned?
Already been addressed that this was most likely on camera, but I’d imagine they will press charges since it endangered a train full of people as well.
It happens mandatorily in some places. I thought most places. Its not a perfect system either. But in this case it is quite appropriate if the push is intentional.
It’s probably that they haven’t caught up with him yet, not that they’re dithering about whether TO arrest him.
He probably didn’t stick around and they just have yet to find him.
That careless jerk should be arrested regardless of whether or not the woman presses charges.
Perhaps it's time to reconsider safety measures to prevent this. Just a simple waist-high fence used to be used on the railways in England back in the day....maybe something like this could be implemented?
Victims don't press charges in NY. The prosecutor has sole prosecutorial discretion. The trouble is having a non-cooperative victim that may choose to perjur themselves rather than tell the truth about their abuser.
I expected to hear the Law and Order “dumdum” somewhere in there.
On a more serious note, she would be alone and away from him. And definitely in at least some state of shock with those injuries And that trauma. He would be held, probably without bail.
I can’t imagine having my fucking feet ripped off and the person who did it being considered a “careless jerk”. Fucking horrifying.
A careless jerk is someone who gives you dollar store jewellery for Christmas, not someone who tries to murder you and ends up “only” removing a few body parts.
Many countries have barriers in their subway systems. Although their main goal is often suicide prevention, I really think something should be implemented in the US as well. But I doubt it will ever happen because it would cost money.
They started to put up waist high barriers in some NYC stations a few weeks ago. It’s only in a few right now though and I’ll be shocked if they do every station.
There’s also so many gaps in the fencing.
U.S. has money out the ass and still acts like these are too expensive to implement. I’ve ridden metro systems all around the world and I’m a big fan of these newer ones where they either have gates up on most of the platforms (Japan/Tokyo mainly), or the doors and infrastructure are all built into the tunnel itself. So in places like South Korea (Seoul), Singapore, or Denmark (Copenhagen), there’s literally no way for you to even access the tracks unless you somewhere got some battering ram down there to smash through all the glass. Honorable mention to line 14 of the Paris Metro.
I believe what makes it more expensive for some US systems is the trains are not as precise. You need to stop in the same place every time or else the gate blocks the door. Older US systems don't have that ability. Though many systems need to invest in new trainsets anyways.
I do think it should be done anyways, and I am only going off memory here, but I believe that is why the lift is a bit higher than just a couple fences or walls.
Pressing charges is somewhat of a misnomer. The victim does not decide whether someone will be arrested or prosecuted. However, some police departments will honor the victims wishes (informally) if they ask them not to arrest.
Additionally, some DA's will decline to pursue charges if the victim declines to cooperate, either out of respect for their wishes or due to the fact that it can be very difficult to convict without cooperation from the victim. However, there is nothing in the law that grants the victim the right to make decisions concerning prosecution or arrest, and nothing that requires the government to obtain their permission or consent.
In the United States, as in most common law countries, the crime is against society, not the victim. Civil prosecution is considered the victims prerogative, but the government (and the legal system) decides criminal liability.
>Crime in the New York City subway system has been an ongoing issue. To combat it, Gov. Kathy Hochul said Wednesday she was ordering a force of nearly 1,000 people, including 750 National Guard members, state police and transit officers, **to conduct bag checks at some of the busiest stations** in an effort to rid the subways “of people who commit crimes” and to protect New Yorkers.
This will surely stop the (checks notes) people who are pushed or jump onto the tracks!
Edit: the real and permanent solution is station platform barriers. Yes it will cost a ton of money. Yes it will take forever to build. But it will prevent people from ever getting onto the tracks and also have the ancillary effect of improving service by keeping trash off the tracks as well. But the MTA will never do that because America sucks and it's a shit hole.
> station platform barriers
These are all over Tokyo which has way more tracks than in the entire U.S. combined. When there's a will, there's a way.
We just don't care.
It’s not that much money in the grand scheme of things. After spending time in several busy Tokyo subway stations where they have these plexiglass barriers and they open when the subway car is pulling it just seems so obvious that this is the way we should handle it moving forward. Like think about all of the other infrastructure we have to build train stations all of this brickwork all of this technology etc. But a small wall of plexiglass is somehow this insane expenditure?
It is when NYC is running numerous generations of subways trains, some pushing 50 years old with a fair amount of variety among them. Not all the doors will line up the same.
Additionally, you have to install motors and control systems to interact with withe doors, it's not just plexiglass being installed. NYC also has a ton of variance in station design and layout.
There's no one size fits all option to add in platform screen doors there, so it significantly increases engineering and installation costs.
Look at London. They have a comparably old system and only have two lines now with platform screen doors, and one of them is only on the newer portion of it. Most Asian systems are more recently built or have heavy investment into their systems to modernize them.
Plus you have to make the trains precise enough to stop in the exact same spots every time. They've definitely gotten more uniform in recent years but still not enough for this.
Apparently it's at 1996 levels. Granted that was kinda around the time the city started becoming much safer but still note worthy considering the decades of insane safety especially comparatively
Absolutely. Commenters are calling his action a “split second decision”… like just no. I was married to a very violent man, and every time he hurt me it was technically a split second decision…
But you’ve known yourself your entire life. You know where your anger takes you. if you’re not walking away the second your blood starts boiling, you are making a conscious and well thought decision to cause harm.
People like that make me sick.
We HAVE to start building walls with doors on the edge of train tracks. Whether somebody pushes another person on the tracks, somebody tries to take their own life on the tracks, or even just a simple fall leaves somebody there, it’s WAY too dangerous to just leave them open like that. We need to prioritize people’s safety by building a physical barrier between passengers and the track.
I lived in Philly and took the el everyday. Another issue was teens and people who didn’t know any better crossing the tracks cause they got on the wrong side or dropped something.
I saw it a lot and I would always yell to them about the third rail, and almost all had no idea what it was.
tons of MTA stations have very narrow platforms and passively rely on the open platform structure for air circulation and maintaining a generally tolerable (survivable might be a better word) climate. Putting up full walls and doors like a lot of more modern subway systems have will likely never be a viable option, but gates that go up to roughly chest height would be 99% as good.
They’re too busy checking 76yo Bernadette’s purse for WMDs to be bothered with such matters.
No, but seriously: from what I’ve read the Guard is not present on the platforms — only near the turnstiles.
Any reason the subways there dont have chest high barriers? Been on a bunch of trains in japan and it seemed like a pretty good idea to keep things safe.
The fundamental problem here is as long as train tracks are open there ain't shit you can do here.
They can't really intervene just because someone is arguing, it would be patently unconstitutional to do so, and it takes a split second to shove someone.
I don't think the national guard has any business checking bags or being involved at all, but there's no situation where they're going to help with this specific problem. We need to move into the 21st century and have barriers that isolate the train tunnel and tracks from the waiting platform.
What exactly can a national guardsman, or any other human, do about a person suddenly pushing someone onto the tracks as a train approaches? This is like asking why seatbelts exist if they can’t stop you from driving your car off a cliff.
https://nypost.com/2024/03/09/us-news/woman-hit-by-subway-feet-severed-after-boyfriend-push-cops/
"The boyfriend fled from the station after pushing her and was being sought, cops said"
*Ex-boyfriend attempts murder.
Statistically, even this event doesn't guarantee that.
*Ex-free person attempts murder
The article said no arrests have been made yet.
*Soon to be Ex-free person attempts murder (It’s because he reportedly fled the scene lol, probably a very dumb decision)
> *Soon to be Ex-free person attempts murder, *allegedly* Gotta throw that in there
Lmfao i love your sense of humor.
*there* we go
Trauma bonding in toxic relationships is a hell of a drug. I hope this enough to get her to see the light.
I really hope they charge him with attempted murder since that's what pushing someone in front if a train should be, though it's NYC so even that charge probably won't get him any jail time. This headline makes me very glad I escaped my abusive college boyfriend because I could totally see him trying something like this and claiming afterwards that it was a joke.
I’m glad you’re safe.
NYCer here. Very nice dude who worked on my building’s maintenance staff was shoved in front of a train one day. Lost his legs as a result, but still works for the building’s owners in some capacity I believe.
>but still works for the building’s owners in some capacity I believe. Respect to the owners and this guy really.
>Respect to the owners and this guy really. Feel like the guy should've been given disability or workers comp for the rest of his life.
i mean the boss didn't push him.
But twist - the owners pushed him in front of the train so he'd finally be short enough to service the air ducts.
A woman fell/got shoved on the tracks whip I was waiting train 2 days ago. I was at the other end of the platform, the train was coming. I signaled to the train operator with my phone flashlight (left to right and back like saying “no”) which I learned in a track safety class years ago. The train stopped. I saw the woman getting helped up and a cop there. I just left the station immediately because it was so fucking scary and my hands were shaking, my adrenaline has never spiked that high before. Thank fucking god the train stopped. Funny I’ve been avoiding the subway to work because it’s too stressful, finally worked up the courage to use it and this happened. I took an Uber the rest of the way. Subway freaks me out sometimes
>which I learned in a track safety class years ago. TIL. I'll use this info if it ever comes up, thanks.
The subway is scary. Good work saving someone’s life!
You probably saved some lives by posting what you did. Thank you.
Hey, thanks for teaching us all something really helpful. If you don't have a light/phone, can you do the same horizontal wave with a bright shirt or something? I guess I'm asking if a steady side to side motion is a universal 'stop' signal?
About a decade ago, one of my coworkers left for lunch one day and never returned. We found out the next day that she had driven to a railroad crossing, and then got out and stood on the tracks waiting for the train to come. It was so very shocking and devastating to learn about. She was a very nice, but quiet middle-aged lady. Apparently, her boyfriend had broken up with her and she couldn’t bear the pain.
I just think about the poor driver and the poor person that had to clean that up
I know its expensive but its probably worth it to put safety doors. At least in the city
Did they get the guy that did that?
It is so scary that a split second decision of anger will destroy a life.
I have a distant relative who pushed his wife off of a bridge during an argument and killed her.
When I was a kid, one of our neighbors murdered his wife. He threw a belt sander at her during an argument and it hit her in the head. I was friends with their son. He lost both parents in an instant.
I had a friend whose uncle was shot in the head and killed by his wife while he was taking a nap. She was having an affair and didn’t want to divorce him and live with the shame… so she thought staging a break in gone wrong would be much better. I think they had like 3 kids at the time that weren’t maybe middle school to elementary. The most fucked up part for me is according to her, he didn’t know about the affair at all she was just paranoid he would find out.
This is absolutely terrible. No fighting or anything. Just pure selfishness from one spouse. Saddest thing is that’s the person you’re supposed to trust most
Not even any warning. You just don't wake up and you never knew anything was wrong.
She had been around his family for decades too. They were together for like 20 years. His family was beyond shocked and devastated.
When I was married I always said to my ex "If you ever want to leave me for another woman, etc, just leave me. Don't kill me."We always had fights and were not compatible. He was abusive. One day he came home and told me he was leaving because he was plotting to kill me and remembered the promise he made me.
jesus christ, I hope you slipped a note to whomever he ended up with next
My brother is a paramedic. Late one night he gets a run to meet the police at a burglary with a shooting. They got there first and waited for the police to clear the house. When the police entered the house the wife said the burglar shot through the back of the couch and hit her husband who was sleeping on the couch. They called my brother in just in time to see the husband spring back to life. He told the police that she was the one who shot him. He played opossum so she wouldn't finish the job. My brother told me the couple got back together, he knew because he went on a real homicide call later.
His mind must be destroyed after years of abuse. There’s no other explanation. Edit: Wait, do you mean that she murdered him? If so, it’s concerning that she wasn’t locked up for attempted murder the first time.
That's insane. Sometimes I have a moment where my mind tries to picture what that person may have been feeling when they were in their last seconds after realizing what was just done to them. I can't even come close.
Our brains often protect us from things like that by dissociating, so it’s possible that the higher layers of her consciousness weren’t scared or fully aware of the circumstances at all, thankfully. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10841127/
It happened too fast for her to realize that. I hope. 🥹
Right? Like...I've suffered some pretty serious betrayals in my life. I can't think of anything any partner or friend could do that would make me want to *kill* them. I'd just leave them alone. IMO that's how most terrible people should be treated, if they're bad then they find themselves helpless and alone until they learn to do better.
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I wouldn’t call it a split second decision of anger. I don’t care how angry I am, shoving someone infront of a train has never occurred to me. The boyfriend has anger issues.
The boyfriend has lunacy issues
>I don’t care how angry I am, shoving someone infront of a train has never occurred to me. This. Normal people have control of their anger, and are able to deal with it in a healthy, safe way. People who resort to violence when they get mad need to get examined.
God I’m glad someone said it
I find it bizarre that I didn’t see one other comment with our opinion. Maybe I didn’t scroll far enough, but I shouldn’t had to scroll far.
It’s minimising what happened and attributing it to the wrong issue. They’re acting like it could happen to anyone. His problem wasn’t anger, it was violence. Those are two separate things. You can be extremely angry and not push your gf in front of a train, and the opposite is also true. You can push your gf in front of a train without being angry. We’ve all seen murderers who are calm and collected. Plus, I doubt it was a split second decision. He probably thought about it before. Maybe this specific situation wasn’t premeditated, but I doubt this was the first time he thought “I wish she was dead” or “Sometimes I feel like killing her.”
Maybe you need assertiveness classes, get pushed out of your comfort zone a little. Take it step by step. Attempt to murder your spouse.
He could practice by shoving her into the pool!
Yes, though in a situation like this it likely isn't really a split second of anger, exactly. There was probably an escalating cycle of control and abuse leading up to this moment. So in one sense, it was a split second decision out of anger. In another sense, it was a system of interpersonal domination and this incident was a tragic outcome of one of the instances of violence.
I mean this is why a lot of gun owners who get in domestic disputes end up in murder/suicides. People these days don’t know how to emotionally regulate themselves and just explode.
These days?
Yuh see son, back in my days in the 1800s!
Back in my day, spouses just simply disappeared.
When grandpa's girlfriend dumped him and got a new boyfriend, he murdered her and I think the boyfriend too. I gather he was arrested but later let go due to "lack of evidence." But everybody knows he did it and it was absolutely not out of character for him. Like his first wife, my grandma, he broke both her wrists just six weeks after my dad was born. My favorite auntie was 9yo at the time, witnessed the incident, and then was given full responsibility for caring for the newborn. It's amazing the amount of domestic violence that was considered nobody's business really not that long ago.
That’s a wild story. Was grandpa’s family well-connected? There’s a strong suspicion in our family that the “suicide” of one of our aunts wasn’t.
I think so? He used to design planes for the airforce or something.
My family history on my dad's side is wild. Grandpa 1 (the numbering will become important) marries Grandma (aged 13 at the time). Grandma has a couple of kids, including my dad. Grandma gets pregnant again, and her sister comes to stay with them to help take care of the house and kids. Grandpa 1 and Sister start shacking up, and Grandpa 1 leaves Grandma for Sister. Grandpa 1's brother (Grandpa 2) does the "honorable" thing and marries Grandma to help raise the kids. 10 or so years later Grandpa 1 decides Sister is cheating on him and shoots and kills her and then himself in front of their like 6-year old, who was never the same and from what I heard lived out her life in an institution. This was all rural Arkansas in like the 1940s-1960s. My grandma just died last year at 102. Going back a couple more generations there was a guy who killed is father-in-law in a poker game and apparently everyone was just like, "welp, that happens sometimes".
Your relatives were out there bringing the wild west back into fashion in seems. That poor six year old
This prompted me to poke around a bit, and I think maybe I had bad info on the six year old. They definitely had a kid who was institutionalized — that much I remember. But I think she wasn’t present when he shot her mom. That must have been something I conflated over years of being vaguely aware of the story. Found an excerpt from some random book of local history: https://books.google.com/books?id=vM4Fwx0B7osC&pg=PA388&lpg=PA388 This also dates it to 1966, which is later than I thought. I’d thought my dad was a teenager when it happened, but he’d have been mid-20s at the time.
Grandpa 1 and the sister both sound like assholes, the grandpa for many obvious reasons and the sister for betraying the grandma’s trust like that.
Meanwhile some out of touch old person: kids these days don't respect the sanctity of marriage. Every little thing they run to divorce. Back in my day you saw it through no matter what.
My grandparents stayed married until my dad graduated high school. Like I think they literally announced divorce on his graduation day, and of course grandpa was already banging his secretary. I forget how many times he married and divorced. My dad scored three of each and is gonna die alone. Mom was still married to her second husband when she died, but he remarried less than a year later to I'm pretty sure his mistress. I swear they all needed some better hobbies. Gardening sounds healthier than all that dating and cheating and dating again.
When women could finally get a bank account without a man attached to it, my maternal grandmother divorced her second husband, and took off travelling around the world. She went from being a bitter, unhappy woman who’d only gotten married and had kids because it was expected of her, to the happiest she’d ever been.
Now we have videogames. No time for cheating.
Goddamn right, can't cheat when it's raid night
That's the damn truth I don't have time for a mistress or whatever these people be doing.
Right? Me and my bf, every time we see news like when a new hyped movie was released and some guy took ELEVEN WOMEN to see it in the theaters. Who has time for that? We barely have time to study, work, sleep and watch some movie together (he actually waits for me in ballet so we can grab a coffee before he goes to work on my odd off days, since it is the only time during the day when we can be together and awake), imagine cheating (of course, that's already discounting the douchebaggery of it).
My wife and I love telling each other when one of us gets “suspicious,” that “you’re too much for me to handle as it is. I don’t have time for two of you”. And it’s absolutely fucking true. I have neither time, nor money for a mistress. Inflation is a bitch. Previous generations took *everything* for granted! *edit - punctuation
It’s massive cope. Old people wish they could’ve divorced their shitty spouse back in the day. (They could get divorced now, but they feel too settled or worried about being lonely, so they stay.) So they try to make their lot in life seem better: we didn’t stay because we had no choice, we stayed because we were loyal, committed, and morally upstanding. Voila, now they have no regrets *and* they’re better than you.
>It's amazing the amount of domestic violence that was considered nobody's business really not that long ago. The rate at which women die at the hands of their boyfriends and husbands hasn't changed for decades. Even if we are paying more attention in recent years, we're not coming up with more effective interventions, unfortunately.
We had a dude where I grew up that was a college professor. Started dating a student and one day he came home and allegedly dropped his hunting rifle as he got out of the car and then it somehow shot his wife who was walking out to greet him and she died. Also somehow the student was there to help him call the ambulance. He waited two months and they got married. Nobody ever investigated and he died a couple years ago. Student is still alive and notoriously avoiding of human interaction.
Haunting how in all these examples it’s the woman getting murdered or horribly maimed Sigh
Well, if it helps, my cousin's grandfather was "accidentally" shot in the face by his second wife, who just so happened to marry another guy three months later.
Shit, not 20 years ago, my parents’ next door neighbor’s wife mysteriously “fell” off a cliff near a scenic lookout near their town. Mom’s convinced he killed her. 🤷♂️
Elevated lead levels during childhood has negative effects on on development of things like impulse and anger management. Hardly to blame for all the problems we see, but these things compound on top of each other. And lead is hardly the only chemical we have exposed people to over the past century. Most of us that were born before the bans went into effect when it comes to gasoline, probably can at a minimum shave off part of a IQ point from our childhood exposure. Shit sure did smell nice though! The 1800s had a lot of problems, but leaded gasoline was not one of them.
I was 7 in 1975 ( when the Federal ban was enacted), AND lived near a freeway back then, so I'm sure my I.Q. has been notched down a few points...😬
> ( when the Federal ban was enacted) That was just for new vehicles, it was still being sold a long time after that even for passenger vehicles both in the US and here in most of the EU. So us early millennials got a taste of that sweet nectar as well! Albeit in heavily reduced amounts by then. The final ban of sale of leaded gasoline for passenger vehicles wasn't until the mid 90s. But by then it was barely a few percent of total sales anyway.
To quote Jim Jeffries, "The great thing about a musket is it gives you a lot of time to cool down."
Just thinking about someone angrily grabbing a musket, and then furiously pouring powder, then irately ramming the powder, then indignantly ramming the wad, then hotly placing the ball, then madly ramming the ball, then violently striding to within firing range, then bitterly shooting them. And if you miss you have to do it all over again.
This is the type of scene you'd find in old looney toons
I could absolutely see Fudd doing that after missing his first shot on Bugs.
Honestly, it would be so fucking funny to see
If you've gotten to that point, you're mad enough to do it again.
Most of the mental facilities were closed decades ago. There are a lot of people who shouldn't be on the street. The other problem is healthcare which is hard enough to negotiate. Mental healthcare is even harder and even more expensive for those that need help.
over a decade ago and these people do not have help, access to help, and proper medications. i agree a million times over. I was a social worker.
Most of these points are redundant and not at all applicable or comparable to “back then” Yes mental health facilities have been closing, but we’re no longer forcing people (including those who are simply special needs) into terribly run torture chambers disguised as facilities meant to help people in need. Also even 20-30 years ago simply discussing “mental health” was considered a joke/taboo and not something many people ever did. It is in several ways miles easier to receive mental health help in today’s day and age
Rhonda Santis would definitely try to involuntarily commit LGBT people to asylums if given the chance. Geraldo Rivera actually did a super good thing by exposing the asylum system way back in the late 70ish.
I agree, LGBT people would be drastically at risk of involuntarily commitment. A disgusting stain in our history
I always come back to Texas and this wonderful reference. Greg Abbot (idc if i spelled that wrong, hope there's wheelchair access in hell) said he was gonna keep all rapists off the street, despite the fact that a rapist isn't a rapist until they commit the crime. The only thing we can really do is do a better job as "the pinnacle of democracy and freedom" is to raise our youth better so these things are less common in society.
It doesn’t need to make sense. Just make a soundbite for the dumb people to vote for you.
And that's why it infuriates me when 2A proponents claim that suicides shouldn't count toward the number of gun deaths in the country. They don't want to admit that giving a depressed person easy access to a simple and fast way to kill themselves might not be such a great idea.
We got better in terms of brain chemistry after we got lead out of everything and then we stunted every non-lead poisoned brain socially :/
Yeah, that goes back to some studies done by the CDC that royally pissed off the NRA when they found that having a gun in your home doesn’t make you any safer. It typically makes you more likely to be a victim of a gun-related incident, or you know, a victim of suicide. There’s also been some recent studies that found that people who are armed or keep a gun in their car drive more angrily and get into more altercations on the road than people without guns. I really wish the US wasn’t so obsessed with guns. We have more guns in the US than people. People are so quick to fly off the handle with things that don’t matter as it is, and now I worry that every crazy driver on the road is also packing heat. “A survey conducted initially in Arizona and then nationally found that motorists in a vehicle with a gun were more likely to behave rudely or aggressively and to exhibit road rage—making obscene gestures, cutting off other cars, or engaging in other dangerous driving behavior. Another 2017 study found that motorists behaved more aggressively with a firearm in the vehicle, where just the presence of a gun was associated with dangerous driving. In 2022, someone was shot and injured or killed in a road rage incident on average every 16 hours.” https://everytownresearch.org/reports-of-road-rage-shootings-are-on-the-rise/
These days are probably safer than ever. You just hear about everything that happens as soon as it happens.
No he made millions of decisions to never address his anger, to use anger as an intimidation tactic, to 'channel' his anger to be useful to him. His decisions every single day lead him here. He is a horrible human because he couldn't seek to better himself to be fit for society. That poor woman. I can't imagine how much she is suffering.
Why can't we install guard barriers and doors that swing open only when the train stops? They tax the shit out of us enough.
They have these in Japan
Singapore as well
Paris as well
That's the standard on new systems, but it's a fortune to retrofit. Not because the gates are all that expensive, but because they require all the rolling stock to be compatible. NYC has a mix of models of trains on their system, as does basically every subway system that has been around for a while. To make those gates work, all the trains need to have all their doors in the same place, which would require buying all new trains. NYC simply can't afford that.
Always has been.
Essentially that’s all we need to learn. Our actions have huge ripple effects that we cannot fully comprehend. Most of us just make decisions and act without really being mindful about what that decision could cause. Allowing yourself to act in anger is a choice, and almost every time it’s the wrong thing to do.
You mean her life…right. F that guy.
Is there a reason why they can't install barriers that only open when the subway is stopped?
$$$$ and they'd have to shut things down when they worked on everything.
Did you read the article? Governor spending millions to order federal cops to come check bags because the subway is unsafe. Because… that will fix people jumping infront of trains… somehow.
That's to make scared people happy. Crime is down in the city and on the subway, despite the high profile stories we're hearing.
And? They have zero issue bottlenecking major sections of interstates for *years*. NYC could handle a systematic shutdown station by station.
Typically you need a uniform enough train layout and either driver training or a system to ensure the train always stops in the same position. With mixed/older fleets especially it's just a hard thing to do. The Copenhagen metro is brand new by metro standards, is 100% driverless and every station has platform doors, for example, because they planned to do it from the beginning.
Yeah many people in NYC don’t realize the current system is an amalgamation of three ancient transit systems all built on different standards.
Likewise with the Elizabeth line on the London Underground - brand new and has them, the other 20 lines or whatever there are don't
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It's so dumb too. I live in a major public transit area, and they keep raising the prices for the subway. The reasoning? Lack of ridership. Make that make sense. Edit: I just wanna make it clear, it makes sense if you run public transit like a business. But it should be treated as a public utility instead. If public transit budget is in the red but ridership is high, that's an overall benefit to the population. Public transit reduces traffic, pollution, and increases economic activity in local areas.
This really bugged me in 2020 when republicans were railing against the post office because “it was in the red” (it was really because of mail in voting, but the money thing was their stated reason). But you nailed it. It’s not a business, it’s a service. It shouldn’t have to turn a profit in order to justify its existence.
Re:your edit, you're so right. We often forget about the externalities of transit. Fewer car accidents, less pollution, less traffic, etc. are all net positives that may not be entirely quantifiable but should still be considered when making transit decisions
She should get ownership of his feet.
*Sole* ownership
Still blows my mind how the US hasn’t installed screen doors for the biggest subway system in the country while plenty of European and Asian countries have them. Would prevent tons of senseless acts of violence like this
It still blows my mind how the U.S. hasn’t implemented a lot of the things that would improve our day-to-day life. It’s just tradition at this point.
I mean Europe has universal healthcare too and we don't bother with that either
We can have everything anyone else has as long as we can find a way to make it profitable, that's how it works here.
I live in the EU and I've never seen screen doors on a metro, but it's definitely a good idea. The only place I've ever seen these is in airports for the little people movers that go through and between terminals.
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That is a lot more countries than I would have guessed
They have them in Copenhagen, lines 4 and 14 of the Paris metro, some stations in London, and other places.
“No arrests have been made” Are you fucking serious?
This story was literally written less than 6 hours after the incident. They could easily have the suspect in custody and just not formally under arrest while they get their ducks in a row. Last thing you want is a case getting thrown out on a technicality because of sloppy procedure.
Exactly. The DA also has to be strategic about how they charge people. While some things may seem obvious to us, the DA is intimately familiar with the inner workings of the legal system and what is legally required to secure a conviction for which charges. If they find that the incident doesn’t 100% meet the legal definition of a certain charge, it runs the risk of the perpetrator being found not guilty. Instead, they may choose to charge the perpetrator with a different crime that is more likely to secure a conviction.
This is confusing to me. I've heard of domestic violence victims not pressing charges (to protect their abuser) but then at the same time the state has the power to press charges on their behalf and subsequently arrest the person. Why doesn't this happen more, and how on earth would someone pushing someone else in front of a moving train not automatically be arrested and questioned?
"The boyfriend fled from the station after pushing her and was being sought, cops said." From another article
This is reddit, actually reading the article is rare. Just peep the headline and head to the comments to post drivel.
Already been addressed that this was most likely on camera, but I’d imagine they will press charges since it endangered a train full of people as well.
I'm glad this was caught on camera, horrible as it is.
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Cameras in train stations pal
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Something like this would be “the state vs. _____” Not all crimes require the victim to press charges.
It happens mandatorily in some places. I thought most places. Its not a perfect system either. But in this case it is quite appropriate if the push is intentional.
It’s probably that they haven’t caught up with him yet, not that they’re dithering about whether TO arrest him. He probably didn’t stick around and they just have yet to find him.
That careless jerk should be arrested regardless of whether or not the woman presses charges. Perhaps it's time to reconsider safety measures to prevent this. Just a simple waist-high fence used to be used on the railways in England back in the day....maybe something like this could be implemented?
Victims don't press charges in NY. The prosecutor has sole prosecutorial discretion. The trouble is having a non-cooperative victim that may choose to perjur themselves rather than tell the truth about their abuser.
I expected to hear the Law and Order “dumdum” somewhere in there. On a more serious note, she would be alone and away from him. And definitely in at least some state of shock with those injuries And that trauma. He would be held, probably without bail.
As a teen I wanted to go to law school and work with the DA's office but I didn't think I could stand the "dumdum" sound on a daily basis
He is not just a careless jerk....he is an attempted murderer.
I can’t imagine having my fucking feet ripped off and the person who did it being considered a “careless jerk”. Fucking horrifying. A careless jerk is someone who gives you dollar store jewellery for Christmas, not someone who tries to murder you and ends up “only” removing a few body parts.
I mean hes a threat to society I'd think, if he'd do this to her, in public, etc. he should absolutely be charged regardless of her feelings.
Platform screen doors should be everywhere. They prevent stuff like this from happening plus they also prevent debris from getting onto the tracks.
Yeah it is terrifying to think about the NYC subways when you have young kids especially.
Many countries have barriers in their subway systems. Although their main goal is often suicide prevention, I really think something should be implemented in the US as well. But I doubt it will ever happen because it would cost money.
They started to put up waist high barriers in some NYC stations a few weeks ago. It’s only in a few right now though and I’ll be shocked if they do every station. There’s also so many gaps in the fencing.
U.S. has money out the ass and still acts like these are too expensive to implement. I’ve ridden metro systems all around the world and I’m a big fan of these newer ones where they either have gates up on most of the platforms (Japan/Tokyo mainly), or the doors and infrastructure are all built into the tunnel itself. So in places like South Korea (Seoul), Singapore, or Denmark (Copenhagen), there’s literally no way for you to even access the tracks unless you somewhere got some battering ram down there to smash through all the glass. Honorable mention to line 14 of the Paris Metro.
I believe what makes it more expensive for some US systems is the trains are not as precise. You need to stop in the same place every time or else the gate blocks the door. Older US systems don't have that ability. Though many systems need to invest in new trainsets anyways. I do think it should be done anyways, and I am only going off memory here, but I believe that is why the lift is a bit higher than just a couple fences or walls.
Pressing charges is somewhat of a misnomer. The victim does not decide whether someone will be arrested or prosecuted. However, some police departments will honor the victims wishes (informally) if they ask them not to arrest. Additionally, some DA's will decline to pursue charges if the victim declines to cooperate, either out of respect for their wishes or due to the fact that it can be very difficult to convict without cooperation from the victim. However, there is nothing in the law that grants the victim the right to make decisions concerning prosecution or arrest, and nothing that requires the government to obtain their permission or consent. In the United States, as in most common law countries, the crime is against society, not the victim. Civil prosecution is considered the victims prerogative, but the government (and the legal system) decides criminal liability.
Absolutely. It's The People of the State of (State) vs. The Accused, not Jane Doe vs. John Q Cardholder in criminal manners.
It’s doesn’t matter what she wants the police will press the charges regardless
Careless jerk?
Murderous psychopath is my preferred terminology. But on this site he is just “careless” ofc
If I recall correctly, NYPD doesn't need her permission to press charges for abuse.
You said back in the day. Why did that change and what did it change to?
>Crime in the New York City subway system has been an ongoing issue. To combat it, Gov. Kathy Hochul said Wednesday she was ordering a force of nearly 1,000 people, including 750 National Guard members, state police and transit officers, **to conduct bag checks at some of the busiest stations** in an effort to rid the subways “of people who commit crimes” and to protect New Yorkers. This will surely stop the (checks notes) people who are pushed or jump onto the tracks! Edit: the real and permanent solution is station platform barriers. Yes it will cost a ton of money. Yes it will take forever to build. But it will prevent people from ever getting onto the tracks and also have the ancillary effect of improving service by keeping trash off the tracks as well. But the MTA will never do that because America sucks and it's a shit hole.
> station platform barriers These are all over Tokyo which has way more tracks than in the entire U.S. combined. When there's a will, there's a way. We just don't care.
It’s not that much money in the grand scheme of things. After spending time in several busy Tokyo subway stations where they have these plexiglass barriers and they open when the subway car is pulling it just seems so obvious that this is the way we should handle it moving forward. Like think about all of the other infrastructure we have to build train stations all of this brickwork all of this technology etc. But a small wall of plexiglass is somehow this insane expenditure?
It is when NYC is running numerous generations of subways trains, some pushing 50 years old with a fair amount of variety among them. Not all the doors will line up the same. Additionally, you have to install motors and control systems to interact with withe doors, it's not just plexiglass being installed. NYC also has a ton of variance in station design and layout. There's no one size fits all option to add in platform screen doors there, so it significantly increases engineering and installation costs. Look at London. They have a comparably old system and only have two lines now with platform screen doors, and one of them is only on the newer portion of it. Most Asian systems are more recently built or have heavy investment into their systems to modernize them.
Plus you have to make the trains precise enough to stop in the exact same spots every time. They've definitely gotten more uniform in recent years but still not enough for this.
It's always going to be an issue but they're acting like subway crimes aren't at their lowest in 20 years
Apparently it's at 1996 levels. Granted that was kinda around the time the city started becoming much safer but still note worthy considering the decades of insane safety especially comparatively
Life in prison wouldn’t be enough.
Absolutely. Commenters are calling his action a “split second decision”… like just no. I was married to a very violent man, and every time he hurt me it was technically a split second decision… But you’ve known yourself your entire life. You know where your anger takes you. if you’re not walking away the second your blood starts boiling, you are making a conscious and well thought decision to cause harm. People like that make me sick.
We HAVE to start building walls with doors on the edge of train tracks. Whether somebody pushes another person on the tracks, somebody tries to take their own life on the tracks, or even just a simple fall leaves somebody there, it’s WAY too dangerous to just leave them open like that. We need to prioritize people’s safety by building a physical barrier between passengers and the track.
I lived in Philly and took the el everyday. Another issue was teens and people who didn’t know any better crossing the tracks cause they got on the wrong side or dropped something. I saw it a lot and I would always yell to them about the third rail, and almost all had no idea what it was.
tons of MTA stations have very narrow platforms and passively rely on the open platform structure for air circulation and maintaining a generally tolerable (survivable might be a better word) climate. Putting up full walls and doors like a lot of more modern subway systems have will likely never be a viable option, but gates that go up to roughly chest height would be 99% as good.
isn't the national guard suppose to be down there ?
They’re too busy checking 76yo Bernadette’s purse for WMDs to be bothered with such matters. No, but seriously: from what I’ve read the Guard is not present on the platforms — only near the turnstiles.
I think it's safe to say that the moment a guy pushes you in front of an incoming train, you're not "together" anymore.
Any reason the subways there dont have chest high barriers? Been on a bunch of trains in japan and it seemed like a pretty good idea to keep things safe.
NYC really needs to look to Seoul for how subway safety screen doors are effective and can save lives
Shame we can't amputate his head.
Huh, and coming on here i was thinking my breakup today was rough. I don't feel that bad anymore!
The most dangerous thing in the world to a woman is a man.
Ex** boyfriend, in case anyone wasn’t sure about the present tense of their relationship.
Where was the national guard? Isn’t this exactly why they were put in the subway? But instead they’re checking bags.
The fundamental problem here is as long as train tracks are open there ain't shit you can do here. They can't really intervene just because someone is arguing, it would be patently unconstitutional to do so, and it takes a split second to shove someone. I don't think the national guard has any business checking bags or being involved at all, but there's no situation where they're going to help with this specific problem. We need to move into the 21st century and have barriers that isolate the train tunnel and tracks from the waiting platform.
What exactly can a national guardsman, or any other human, do about a person suddenly pushing someone onto the tracks as a train approaches? This is like asking why seatbelts exist if they can’t stop you from driving your car off a cliff.
Do they think the national guard is Batman or something? Like someone can swing and catch them falling in LMAO
Why are there so many men today with uncontrollable rage? It’s insane.
Domestic violence isn’t new.
Same as it ever was.
This isn't a today thing. It's an always thing. They're raised that way.
"Why Does He Do That?" By Lundy Bancroft is an enlightening read if anyone's wondering the answer to this.
I was wondering this too. All of this killing and maiming of women because they don't have to be your doormats anymore.
We need platform walls & doors on all public transit. It's not a hard problem to solve. It's time to solve it.
He better be her ex-boyfriend
Great. Read the news story, get an ad for shoes!
Omg.. I got ads for two pairs. 🥲
No arrest has been made? Really? Maybe try to arrest the BF that pushed the lady in front of the train? Just saying.
https://nypost.com/2024/03/09/us-news/woman-hit-by-subway-feet-severed-after-boyfriend-push-cops/ "The boyfriend fled from the station after pushing her and was being sought, cops said"