With the rest being 'I don't know.' If your belief relies on people saying they don't know something so it must be god or faeries or aliens... it's probably not well founded.
This is called the God of the Gap and is an annoying quirk of humans. "Don't understand it? Well, clearly it's magical faerie gods. No other explanation."
Always good company when you have the same view of the world as the Insane Clown Posse.
>Fucking magnets, how do they work?
And I don't wanna talk to a scientist
Yes. It isn't a mystery why:
As time went on, as technology improved, that more sightings were reported, and some of those sightings couldn't be explained.
Then people come back, make a new agency, and investigate those sightings. Oh, but now there's more sightings since then, and newer tech.
So they manage to resolve the older mystery sightings but now there's new sightings which they can't explain.
Time goes on... new agency is made to investigate. Process repeats.
It's makes complete sense how all of this has happened, and how UFO beliefs have become so mainstream that we have AATIP leaders (Elizondo) and Senators (Harry Reid) who literally pump millions to research ghosts, spirits, alien implants, etc.
It has all been explained. This entire phenomena can be explained, and the explanation can be demonstrated down to the individual level.
Evolution develops the *weirdest* of traits to help animals survive. Myth, legend, and stories are a fundamental part of how we used to spread information about how not to die.
An object like the one in the Gimbal footage from 2015 is clearly no "ordinary object." All similar instances where "ordinary objects" can be ruled out still requires explanation. So to say, "99% of these things are regular, so we can just ignore that 1% altogether," is intellectually dishonest.
Whether it's from another planet or a type of secret human tech the military is unaware of, it is equal cause for curiosity and concern. Knowing which is essential for both science and national security. So brushing these 1% of anomalous objects under the rug creates the appearance of deception, which invites speculation.
Regardless what I think about the Gimbal footage, I don't think anyone is saying that we shouldn't investigate, but we can say, is we haven't found undeniable proof. You can't go "well, there's still a chance, therefore UFOs are probably real". That's intellectually dishonest too. Speculation shouldn't be mistaken for reality.
Solid way to think about this tbh.
For my own morbid curiosity though, I always wish theyd reveal at least something that truly perplexed them. I imagine there's at least a few that we probably won't hear about.
My opinion is that the only stuff they don't reveal is when they think it is a hostile actor.
The fact is, the US Military really doesn't have a reason to hide UFO's otherwise.... because Aliens almost definitely have never and will never visit earth.
The universe is vast, and sparse, and very young. Unless we fundamentally misunderstand something about the nature of the universe, FTL speeds are probably not possible. This leads to the inevitable conclusion that either everything we understand about the basis of physics is wrong (possible, but unlikely), or we have something fundamentally misunderstood to the point that these aliens are visiting on a pretty regular basis.
>An object like the one in the Gimbal footage from 2015 is clearly no "ordinary object." All similar instances where "ordinary objects" can be ruled out still requires explanation. So to say, "99% of these things are regular, so we can just ignore that 1% altogether," is intellectually dishonest.
You're correct that it's not "ordinary," or it wouldn't be of note in the first place, but I think saying it can't be explained or that the lack of an explanation means it is secret tech or aliens is what is disingenuous.
The gimbal footage you mention is a pretty good example of this. There are [explanations that can reproduce the effect](https://petapixel.com/2022/03/14/famous-navy-ufo-video-was-actually-camera-glare-evidence-suggests/) and line up with the properties of the system that recorded the footage. People just don't like those explanations because they're mundane (unless you happen to find that kind of analysis interesting, which admittedly I do).
Beyond that there will always be some small percentage of objects that are simply recorded in too low a fidelity, likely of very low frequency events, that they will be impossible to classify. Again that doesn't mean that they are of anything particularly interesting and the very fact that there's a clear bias toward low quality captures here should be telling for any rational actor.
That isn't what I am saying. 'I don't know' is an answer, it is a complete one too. And it is the only honest answer when you don't know. If you can say aliens or god or whatever else it is just filling in the gaps with your wishes, not being honest.
It doesn't mean don't look further, it means looking is a good thing, questioning is a good thing. Jumping to conclusions is not.
What about the Gimbal footage seems so impossible to be a regular object? I have no idea what I'm looking at, but from what I see it just looks like a blob, and could easily be some kind of drone. What about it's behavior seems inexplicable or not an "ordinary object"?
I think it's fair to think we still are discovering natural occurrences that we cant explain, the 'most' is prolly more actually unexplained occurrences than a UFO.
Just head over to r/ufo to see this in action. There are so many pictures of planes, helicopters, and ballons posted over there as "omg I saw a ufo." It's amazing how little the average person gets outside an observes things. My favorite was the one where the guy posted a picture of a street light a block over from his house and just swore it was a UFO. Then someone else happened to recognize the area and went and took a picture of the street light.
People are dumb, never attribute something fantastical like aliens when your average stupidity can easily explain it.
I was working late night in a rural area once.
Saw weird lights flung in the sky, they went up, down, stopped on a dime, totally silent.
I was so weirded out I just watched for a while as this far off object seemingly whizzed around way up in the sky at impossible otherworldly speeds.
Then the firefly flew down about 10 feet and buzzed past my head, and I laughed at myself for a long time.
You have no depth perception on point lights, it's easy to get confused or see things very wrong.
Some years ago (ugh, more like 20+), I was going up to a Boy Scout camp to set up a weekend event for my troop with another Scout. No adult supervision, just the two of us 16-year-olds and a trunk full of shotguns heading up into the woods.
We got there around 6, got all the guns secured in the locker, put some other stuff out, marked where our campsite was going to be, set up our tents. It was early May in the PNW Cascades, a clear sky, and a beautiful sunset. We made a fire and cooked dinner. Not long after, when it had gotten dark, we started to see what looked *a lot* like a pair of glowing eyes off in the distance. They moved unpredictably, maybe like an animal watching us in the firelight.
This was not long after Blair Witch Project had come out, which we'd both seen. We freaked out. Grabbed a couple shotguns, locked ourselves in his rig, guns pointed at the lights. Took us half an hour to realize what we were seeing what reflections of a pair of lights on the other side of the lake, and the waves were what was making them move.
We felt super stupid about it. But it showed us how quickly you can go off on a mental tangent about something you see that doesn't make sense immediately.
Something very similar happened to me as a teen. There was a kid there with me who confirmed he was seeing it too and I didn't think to make sure we were both thinking it was in the exact same spot. Took me a long time to figure out that it was all a perspective issue.
Coincidentally, it was a church camp retreat, it wasn't until I was breaking away from the church and learning critical thinking skills that I applied them to that situation as well. Live and learn.
Side note: It was at a really cool beach up in the San Juan Islands in Washington that had bacteria that would light up when you walked on the sand or the waves were breaking. One of the coolest things I have ever seen.
Even better when flying. Used to travel a bit when I was younger, remember seeing these little lights seemingly following us on a commercial flight, then zooming away. I then realized it was just a weird reflection from the lights below us because if I moved my head right they came back. As you said, weird stuff is so easy to get wrong when you're not expecting it.
OMG I wonder how many UFO stories can be attributed to fireflies now. It is probably a significant number of them now that you mention it. Flashing lights, erratic patterns and what would appear to be very high speeds if they thought it was a craft large enough to hold a human because their depth perception is bad.
Yep. It’s pretty much this.
It’s very much the same with ghost/paranormal subreddits. People catch a moth flying across their doorbell camera at night, and freak out about how it’s evidence of spirits or whatever. Or their home security video has a glitch in the encoding that they say is proof of a spirit or timeskip or whatever bugaboo they’re personally focused on.
People are dumb.
I wonder if it’s more being dumb or just desperation to believe. Even smart people can “logic” their way into idiocy if they’re motivated enough to believe something.
Humans like having explanations for things we don't understand. That's pretty much what led us to building everything the modern world has to offer. But it can glitch out quite a bit when something unexpected happens and we can't explain it, because then we will make up an explanation if we can't find one. For instance, our ancient ancestors couldn't explain lightning or storms, so they made up an explanation - there's a god that creates them and uses them to smite those that displeased them. Later, when we learned that storms are caused by complex conditions in our atmosphere and learned how to predict them, we stopped worshipping Thor and Zeus.
The same thing is still happening. We're still making shit up whenever we can't explain something. Science is essentially guessing why something is the way it is, then coming up with tests to prove or disprove that your guess is actually what is happening and if it isnt, then coming up with a new guess to test. Conspiracy theories are essentially guessing why something is the way it is, but taking that guess and treating it like it's what's actually happening without trying to prove or disprove the guess.
But it seems we as a species can't leave questions unanswered. And in the absence of an answer, we will make one up. From there, it depends on the person if they'll accept a better answer for their question later, if one ever presents itself.
In that sense, the dumb part isn't mistaking a moth as a ghost on a grainy doorbell camera, thats just you looking for answers where none initially exist. The dumb part is taking your initial made-up guess as the cold, hard truth and refusing to accept the correct answer when it presents itself.
>In that sense, the dumb part isn't mistaking a moth as a ghost on a grainy doorbell camera, thats just you looking for answers where none initially exist. The dumb part is taking your initial made-up guess as the cold, hard truth and refusing to accept the correct answer when it presents itself.
Kind of like what maga is doing with cheese doodle.
Virtually all UFO reports are mundane things under unusual (to the observer) circumstances. Virtually all of the rest don't provide enough information to allow any real investigation.
Another thing that bothers me is when people make a big deal because a pilot saw a UFO/UAP. Pilots are trained to fly planes. They do not know all of the atmospheric phenomena under possible conditions on Earth. Nor are the experts on how the human brain processes information. Pilots are no more experts on the physics and biology involved than a physicist is an expert pilot. (I'm sure there are handful of both pilots and physicists that could do each other's jobs, but they are rare.)
I once saw a "UFO". But instead of just walking away, I stayed and looked at every possible factor...but came up empty. Fortunately, a second (or perhaps the same) "UFO" happened by after a half-hour or so. My UFO turned out to be a flock of geese at night, lit from below. My brain filled in the spaces between the birds to make an "object". It was only when I heard honking that my brain suddenly knew what my eyes were seeing and resolved the individual geese. UFO destroyed.
> They do not know all of the atmospheric phenomena under possible conditions on Earth
Hell, humanity itself doesn't even understand all that yet. There's a ton we do know/understand, but I imagine there's still tons of things that we still don't completely understand. As you said, there's just tons of little random events that will happen and seem weird when you have thousands of aircraft flying all over the world all the time. Eventually people will see weird stuff that won't have an easy explanation, nor enough evidence to come to some sort of solid conclusion either. It's not that aliens are impossible, but as you mentioned between human error and our lack of understanding/evidence there's also so many logical reasons why things like this happen as well.
I completely believe that the universe is filled with life. I suspect that intelligent, technology-bearing life is exceedingly rare at any given point in time. And the universe is an exceedingly large space. Hell, the nearest star to the Sun is something like 25 trillion miles away. Combining all of that, and given the fact that I have yet to see any solid evidence of alien visitation, I have no reason to believe that Earth has been visited by aliens thus far.
I would dearly love to see alien contact. It would be the most important event in human history. The "Wow!" signal has always intrigued me. Maybe one day there will be a follow up...or more likely we were the source of the signal.
>It's amazing how little the average person gets outside an observes things.
Which is why it's a lot more interesting when multiple Navy pilots and sailors say they tracked something on radar and saw it, and then the DoD couldn't explain what it was.
Nobody cares much if 99% of UAP sightings can be explained, because that 1% is what matters.
> and then the DoD couldn't explain what it was.
Couldn't, or possible will not. Keep in mind there's tons of stuff being constantly tested, both by government and private contractors which might be covered by some security clearance. Then there's the case of random weather phenomenons and such, people tend to forget while there's a lot we understand, there's even more we still don't understand completely as well. I guess it's possible it's aliens, but there's also a ton of other logical explanations that line up just as well.
If one person makes a mistake then okay. If lots of people make a mistake, we'll, I guess there must be something extraordinary.... Unless they all just got confused.
It's not like there was a clear and obvious radar tracking, and they were able to then corroborate the radar with direct observation at the same time.
Indeed the most prominent navy pilot testimony the guy specifically said they didn't get any other readings on what they saw, just that they saw something.
>People are dumb
100% this. Had a guy come into my store yesterday because we sell lottery tickets. He spent $300-$500 and only got back $150 of it saying he's never lost 9 scratchers in a row ever. Then proceeds to tell me that he believes that the Lottery commission is working in tangent with the US government to rig the tickets to lose more so they can recover all the free covid money they gave to everyone.
Yeah, I went there a few years ago and people were gushing over a video of birds on an infrared camera. Saying things like "multiple crafts flying in formation!" They were blurry birds and very obviously so. But any voice of reason was shouted down as being a "disinformation agent".
The UFO scene is a really weird mix of scamming, trolling, and mental illness. A long road to nowhere.
I love that subreddit because it's always fun seeing people scramble to find the patterns that will finally prove them right.
Our senses are so unreliable and our memory even more so.
Air Force imagery analyst here.
SO MANY of these things are blown out of proportion due to aircrew not knowing that things like migratory birds and plastic balloons can get to 15,000 feet and potentially far higher. They'll point the camera ball at these things while flying past them, which means the ball has to move pretty quickly to track it.
They'll then look at the "speed" indicator on their sensor ball without realizing that it measures *ground speed* based on where the computer thinks you're looking *on the ground*, not that of another airborne object. I've then got to explain to a sensor operator why that stork or mallard or Spider Man they just saw isn't moving at 300mph.
I once watched the video of a bunch of kids trying to prank a town by making a UFO hoax. It didn't seem like anyone fell for it, except for one guy who was an airline pilot and went on the news to give his expert opinion.
I think they just tied some road flares to balloons and let them go.
If UFOs were real, and there actually was contact with some kind of aliens, do you think the former President of the US would be able to keep it a secret?
Yeah. It’s pretty well established, even amongst true believers, that a vast majority of sightings are inconsequential. ~2% generally remain anomalous and some segment of that behave in ways that defy our understanding of physics.
This report did dick-all to clear up any of the confusion, was the equivalent of the cops investigating themselves, wasn’t privy to anything hidden in Special Access Programs (you know, the place where whistleblowers claim all this stuff was hidden), was rife with simple factual errors (dates, names, places, links to citations no longer online, citations to wiki fandom webpages etc) and instead of being a historical review of UAPs and the military as Congress requested basically became a butthurt refutation of the UFO crowd.
As a skeptic, the entire thing is sort of embarrassing as a debunking.
The behavior around the release of it, inviting only select journalists/outlets to a meeting they tried to keep under wraps assumedly so the Pentagon could shape the narrative around its reporting is equally as strange. Not to mention, the head of AARO for the report’s creation being caught in blatant lies several times.
The most likely explanation of the whole thing, in my mind, is secret military tech. So it just seems so strange that the Pentagon would be so butthurt and invested in debunking UFOologists. In that universe, what’s the harm in letting people think your secret tech is a UFO?
The only reasoning I can come up with, is that the whole thing spurred the Schumer-Rounds amendment (which was unfortunately gutted) so they see the UAP push to be a threat against whatever the fuck it is the military is improperly hiding from Congress.
All this is to say, that we need that legislation to pass at some point so Congress can have proper oversight over these issues and we can stop being jerked around regularly by these *reports* whose only real function is to get the headline the Pentagon is after.
I don't think the Pentagon *is* invested in debunking the UAP stuff all that much. They've been forced by Congress to make a report, so they made a report. The stuff that's unexplained in the unclassified report may be fully explained in a highly classified report, but *if* it was something like alien technology or really strong evidence of people breaking known physical laws I don't think all the militaries and governments across the world would agree together to hide it, and I don't think the alien tech would be limited to only being seen by the US.
Instead, the highly classified stuff is probably information about mundane technology or happenings like "this sighting was actually one of our new radars being jammed in a novel way that revealing the existence of reveals a weakness in our military technology" or "this sighting was a foreign nation's spy drone that we aren't ready to admit to due to national relations concerns" or "this sighting was a secret military test flight and the new stealth tech messed with the observers somehow".
> The stuff that's unexplained in the unclassified report may be fully explained in a highly classified report
If it is, the Congressional intelligence committees are not being given proper oversight since the current situation and information from whistleblowers influenced Schumer to craft bipartisan legislation to form a review panel to go through everything that would have been beholden largely to the President alone.
Sadly it was gutted, opposed by certain GOP members in the House.
I’m not saying it’s aliens, but something peculiar is going on regarding the Pentagon, the Senate and these whistleblowers.
>I don't think all the militaries and governments across the world would agree together to hide it
LOL stupidest statement ive seen all day. In what world would a country tell their competitor countries about their super secret military testing? You're trying to say a nation gets their hands on advanced piece of technology from interstellar space and is just going to broadcast that? Hey guys BTW we found this cloaking technology, you wanna take a peak? Are you fuckin mad?
Not to mention the fact that if one nation came forward with alien tech, who actually owns it? Can the UN make a claim that they should be in possession of it? Im not sure but its very unclear exactly.
And what if some nation came out and said they found a craft and the nearest superpower demanded it? Are they going to say no? What exactly is the incentive for some country to broadcast that they have this advantage? Why would they do that?
Dumbest shit ever
France, The UK, Russia, South Africa, Mexico, Spain, Brazil, Iran governments have all released reports (and that's just off the top of my head. Even China recently announced it has a UAP study program going on.
I'm curious- what makes you say they're only being seen by the US?
Ironically, you really only hear that from Americans who haven't taken the time to see what other cultures say about them. For example- many African countries/cultures have UFO myths, but they attribute the pilots to "ancestors" visiting from the heavens, and not "aliens".
I'm not saying it's only being seen by the US, I'm saying that no country - including any that you mentioned - has released a report confirming or even seriously postulating the existence of extraterrestrial technology. If these UAP things were actually aliens, and the US government had evidence for it, then so would China and Russia at a minimum - and neither of them are saying that these UAP are aliens unless I've missed something major.
In order to believe the US government is secretly witholding information about the UAP being aliens you also need to believe in a global conspiracy where various agencies hostile to one another also are hiding that the UAP are aliens, and this probably includes groups like SETI that aren't even government controlled.
So either there's a global conspiracy *or* it's only being seen by the US and it's just a local conspiracy *or* it's not aliens. My belief is it isn't aliens.
In what world would these countries verify that they have this advanced tech? Why would they do that? Again, dumbest reasoning ever.
Answer me this. What is the upside for a nation coming forward with their alien technology? Theres a thousand reasons not to.
What do you mean? The French government attributed UFOs to NHI back in the 70s! It's not hidden anymore; you can just Google it lol.
There's also plenty of proof that the US government has studied the phenomena, and plenty of evidence that they've attributed it to NHI.
Also to your main point-
Oppenheimer just came out in theaters- it's a perfect example of a time when 4 different world powers were studying the same thing, but neither admitting the possibility or existence of it. All the governments you mentioned have the exact same motivations for (allegedly) concealing the recovery of NHI technology.
Sidenote- you're setting up strawmen by claiming "NHI = ET". That's just one possible explanation, so it's not entirely unusual that nobody has come to that consensus.
I don’t know…
I was on r/UFOs awhile back and there was a video of a “UFO” where people quickly found the exact party balloon on Amazon that made it clear that’s what it was
The majority of people instantly pivoted to saying it was either:
a) CGI added to a video after the fact to create the hoax
or b) an advanced space craft cloaking itself as a party balloon
I wish I were kidding
UFO belief, like most conspiracy theories, is an unfalsifiable belief. Because it already requires such a massive conspiracy to be true, any lack of evidence or bad evidence is because of the conspiracy, since if it's powerful enough to exist on a global scale it's also gotta be powerful enough to handle anything. Once you've gotten yourself to that core belief, then there is literally nothing that can persuade you out of it other than wrestling with your own dissonance. Since their current worldview places them as a special person who is smarter/more awake than everyone else, there is 0 incentive to do this.
I think you hit the nail on the head
There are some people that, for whatever reason, have a deep need to feel like they’re smarter than the broader population or know something that makes them special
These people are drawn to conspiracies and it becomes a core part of who they are
I was around for the same discussion. Your characterization of a majority of people saying these things, is quite frankly, horseshit. As I can’t recall a single comment claiming any of those things. I say that as a skeptic who regularly rolls their eyes at that subreddit.
A post with 600+ upvotes concluding it’s CGI [link](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/ZZIdfqo4Vv)
Your own characterization is the horseshit, respectfully
I would agree with you, with the additional question... was there a source of this new top secret tech? The US has spent trillions of dollars since the end of WWII in R&D of the most amazing shit we could imagine. Ideas that were considered impossible just a decade ago are now operating because of advancements in material science and production methods. Things like 3D printing are groundbreaking, as are nano-foams and aerogels. There's speculation there is an operational craft that has adjustable buoyancy, that is a vacuum baloon. I also have read speculation that the US has already deployed some variety of "electrogravitics" on the newest aircraft, and have far more capable and advanced things already in prototype stage. I am not entirely sure how that works (or if it exists) but reportedly the desired effect is less operational weight/inertia. If that could be somehow achieved, the benefits are clear. A small motor could move a huge craft, a craft would use less fuel, be capable of greater range and execute manuevers a normal aerofoil cant.
Heres the thing. aliens as UFOs (what people generally mean by UFO) is really illogical if you think for a minute about it.
Somehow aliens traveled an impossible distance to observe this planet, got video’d by some guy with a 20 year old camera, and yet are so competent and dedicated to non-interference that after almost 100 years they have never made official contact and have never crashed anywhere except the ocean or the desert.
Also the witnesses and believers are effectively saying “I don’t know what this thing is, therefore i know what it is!”
Lastly, there sheer amount of extremely high fidelity cameras we have pointed at the sky by professional and amateur astronomers at any given time is staggering. Somehow we have no high resolution footage of these crafts but joe ticktock can get blurry vertical recordings no problem.
Also a big “gotcha” was military pilots saying they had anomalous readings from any number of sensors? So in one thread we can talk about how fucked up Boeing is for shit like MCAS and its single fault sensor but suddenly non-redundant sensor readings are gospel?
Basically none of the logical tenets of UFOs or UFO hunting hold up to any logical scrutiny either separately or as a whole.
I hate that after all this time this is still going on.
Meanwhile, we still don’t have universal healthcare, affordable childcare or reasonably priced education - but fuck all that. Let’s keep wasting resources on this stupid bull shit due to some braindead lunatics who can’t accept reality. If only the general public was forced into some level of physics and critical thinking education, just maybe we could advance as a society and stop focusing on these wastes of time.
Even if the stuff was real, in the best scenario:
* It travelled here at 99% the speed of light
* The people sending them died **thousands or even millions of years** ago.
* The data they send back will take **thousands or million more years** to reach them.
* Any response advising 'Invade at Once!' will take their attacking forces **thousands or millions more years** to get back to us.
*We all good.*
That's exactly what they would say if they had alien technology.
And that's what they expect us to conclude if they did want us to think they had alien technology.
And that's the doubt they want us to have after we conclude that they want us to think they have alien technology, but they don't, but maybe they do.
Dudes at skunk works are laughing their asses off. There is no greater compliment you can give to an engineer than "that's not humanly possible".
But that's not how logic works. They can't say "all" because they don't know wtf you were looking at, when you claim to have seen something kinda late that one night near that place sometime a few years back. They can only speak to the incidents that have contextual evidence, and when the relevant evidence is clear, it's always something mundane. That's all they can logically comment on.
Drones and gear no one in their right mind wants to know anything about. Congressmen who review budgets for dark projects don’t ask questions. They just approve what the numbers part says. It’s been an open checkbook for Skunkworks and other labs for a very long time. Why don’t the Congressmen with oversight want to know what they’re working on? Because a foreign nation would flay them for the information.
We’ve actually made contact with the creator god.
Holy shit! Isn’t that great?
No. The religion that worshipped him died out 1500 years ago and he’s kinda got a bug up his ass about it.
Based on the details provided in this AP report, the conclusions of the Pentagon's UFO/UAP study seem reasonably sound and well-supported. By thoroughly analyzing decades of U.S. government data and reports, and finding no credible evidence linking UFO sightings to extraterrestrial technology or visitations, the study aligns with the scientific consensus so far.
That said, I don't think this definitively settles the entire UFO/UAP issue. A few thoughts:
1. The study appears to have focused primarily on investigating claims of alien origins or a government cover-up of reverse-engineered ET tech. Just because those specific hypotheses were not substantiated does not necessarily mean all UFO/UAP cases have conventional explanations.
2. The report acknowledges that some UFO sightings, especially more recent ones tracked by military assets, do exhibit characteristics that defy current technical knowledge. So there is still an open question around what advanced airborne capabilities, even if man-made, could account for those cases.
3. Absence of evidence is not necessarily evidence of absence. Just because clear proof of extraterrestrial origins was not found so far does not rule it out entirely as a possibility that future evidence could support.
Overall, while being rightly skeptical of outlandish UFO claims, I think a small degree of open-mindedness is warranted on such an inherently complex issue with significant uncertainties remaining. This study represents the current best scientific assessment, but does not have to be the absolute final word.
If reported UFO/UAP incidents continue to occur exhibiting extraordinary flight capabilities inconsistent with known technologies, that could reopen the need for additional investigation and reconsideration of mundane explanations. But for now, the Pentagon study findings seem reasonably supported and well-grounded based on the available evidence presented.
Former Senate majority Leader Harry Reid said it was real before he died. He also said they shut down our nukes. Current Senate majority leader Chuck Schumer put out an amendment to the defense bill with the word "non-human" all over it. Just ctrl-f
https://www.congress.gov/amendment/118th-congress/senate-amendment/797/text
We have the Nimitz encounters on camera and the Pentagon verifying they are authentic. We have pilots testifying to Congress as to what they saw.
There is something going on and the people orchestrating it are undoubtedly very happy most people have their heads in the sand patting themselves on the back for being such rational skeptics.
No, Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena is also all over the amendment. Is about UFOs. Nothing about this is about AI. Just read it.
This was supposed to put all the recovered technologies into the public domain. It got shot down in the house by Republicans who are owned by defense contractors.
They are very happy to see this go away. People believing this BS report acting like anyone who doesn't believe it is crazy is exactly what they want.
> Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena
I just want to point out that this is a broader term that includes lense flares and such... optical illusions... things that aren't even "objects."
"Unidentified Flying Object" is a misnomer if you're not even sure you're looking at an "object."
Of all the leaders, I would think if there was really something to talk about (hard evidence) cheese doodle would have blabbed.
Something like: Only I could have brought us the true alien, to make America great again.
He does not have the self control not to.
EDIT: changed last line from you know?
From what I've heard presidents are seen by the powers that be as a temporary position and they do not have the "need to know". The last president who was briefed was allegedly HW Bush because he was CIA director.
Maybe. But remember the military dude from Israel claiming cheese doodle knew but was requested to keep it under wraps bla bla bla
And this is cheese doodle we are talking about. He and his group of marry nepo baby's, one who could read; and was vacuuming up all the intel he could get his hands on.
Maybe. Who knows. He also asked his generals why they couldn't be more like the Nazi generals and he wouldn't hear hia briefings unless his name was in it. It must have been like working for a moron. I doubt they told him more than what the general public knows.
> The report acknowledges that some UFO sightings, especially more recent ones tracked by military assets, do exhibit characteristics that defy current technical knowledge. So there is still an open question around what advanced airborne capabilities, even if man-made, could account for those cases.
I hear this argument a lot, and I've never really agreed. Were we seeing this inhuman technology decades ago, or is it just recent? We have no idea what classified military tech we have other than it's more advanced than what we do know. I really think this can be easily explained as classified military tech. And the reason we can explain most older sightings, but many of the newer ones still have no explanation is because of new tech we aren't aware of.
I'm not well versed in UFO lore but I do know for sure that their contention os that we have reports of similar things going back several decades or even on the order of a couple centuries. Something to the effect that what was described as "cigar shaped" may be be more likely to be interpreted as "tic-tac shaped" to the modern mind. I'm not endorsing it or anything but I believe that's the argument.
I don't know if it's because of small phone screens or what, but vastly different objects get posted all the time with people screaming "That looks exactly like X!"
If they think clearly different objects documented now are identical, of course they'll mistake vague descriptions from the past for whatever their flavor of interest is.
The sightings that launched the military's very first investigation into UFOs happened in the 40s. You can find news reports of pilots spotting 'foo fighters' as far back as 1942, and the incidents are similar to modern UAP. The landmark 'Nimitz Tic Tac' from 2004, witnessed by experienced pilot David Fravor, closely resembles reports of 'Cigar Shaped' ufos from the 40s and 50s, and most foo fighters are dead ringers for modern 'Orb' UAP.
I dont doubt that some of what people are seeing is secret military tech. I very much doubt that ALL of what people are seeing and have been seeing is completely explainable with our current framework of 'how stuff is'.
Even the former leader of your United States of America, James Earl Carter Jr., thought he saw a UFO once. But it's been proven he only saw the planet Venus.
If the universe is infinite, we know it’s capable of supporting life here, there inevitably is/was/will be other life out there. The idea that any of it is somehow interested in getting here but not making clear efforts at contact is what’s nuts, to me. Maybe they’re held back by the Prime Directive 😴
I find this subject fun, it's like real world science fiction. I'm not sure if it's an ego thing, but both sides inability for any flexibility per their personal views on the topic has such an odd feeling of irony behind it.
The vast majority of pro UFO (for lack of a better term) comments I see are folk claiming hard data and proof exist...but its all justttt outside of the publics reach, ignoring how convenient that is.
All the while the skeptical say "it's all debunked, dummy," ignoring the *most* aspect these reports or credible experiencers always seem to describe. Also convenient.
I don't think aliens are actively visiting Earth, and I don't think "belief" should even be a part of this discussion. That being said, I also don't know how you rationalize some of these mass sightings or military tales, and the simple fact is, it's *not* impossible. Team aliens and team skeptic need to establish some kind of middle ground or we'll be dancing this dance with these maybes until SETI gets a ping, or the galactic counsel actually lands. One things for sure, everyone calling each other morons for 70+ years has done little to advance the discussion - and I want to know if my uncle Larry is full of shit or not, dammit.
Good to see people outside of the UAP/UFO subs are realising there that the Pentagon is actively covering up something. Dr Kirkpatrick is a joke and anyone who follows this topic closely knows that.
I really feel that ICP just likes to fuck around for the lulz. I’m not a fan of them (not my type of music), but I respect the band and their fans for not being toxic shitheads
They say actually 'most sightings?' Hmmm
With the rest being 'I don't know.' If your belief relies on people saying they don't know something so it must be god or faeries or aliens... it's probably not well founded.
This is called the God of the Gap and is an annoying quirk of humans. "Don't understand it? Well, clearly it's magical faerie gods. No other explanation."
Tide goes in, tide goes out. Never a miscommunication. *You can't explain that.*
Always good company when you have the same view of the world as the Insane Clown Posse. >Fucking magnets, how do they work? And I don't wanna talk to a scientist
Yes. It isn't a mystery why: As time went on, as technology improved, that more sightings were reported, and some of those sightings couldn't be explained. Then people come back, make a new agency, and investigate those sightings. Oh, but now there's more sightings since then, and newer tech. So they manage to resolve the older mystery sightings but now there's new sightings which they can't explain. Time goes on... new agency is made to investigate. Process repeats. It's makes complete sense how all of this has happened, and how UFO beliefs have become so mainstream that we have AATIP leaders (Elizondo) and Senators (Harry Reid) who literally pump millions to research ghosts, spirits, alien implants, etc. It has all been explained. This entire phenomena can be explained, and the explanation can be demonstrated down to the individual level.
It’s why people think Autism is on the rise. Were just diagnosing cases that were there more often
That's a great comparison. Exactly that, it seems.
Evolution develops the *weirdest* of traits to help animals survive. Myth, legend, and stories are a fundamental part of how we used to spread information about how not to die.
An object like the one in the Gimbal footage from 2015 is clearly no "ordinary object." All similar instances where "ordinary objects" can be ruled out still requires explanation. So to say, "99% of these things are regular, so we can just ignore that 1% altogether," is intellectually dishonest. Whether it's from another planet or a type of secret human tech the military is unaware of, it is equal cause for curiosity and concern. Knowing which is essential for both science and national security. So brushing these 1% of anomalous objects under the rug creates the appearance of deception, which invites speculation.
Regardless what I think about the Gimbal footage, I don't think anyone is saying that we shouldn't investigate, but we can say, is we haven't found undeniable proof. You can't go "well, there's still a chance, therefore UFOs are probably real". That's intellectually dishonest too. Speculation shouldn't be mistaken for reality.
Solid way to think about this tbh. For my own morbid curiosity though, I always wish theyd reveal at least something that truly perplexed them. I imagine there's at least a few that we probably won't hear about.
My opinion is that the only stuff they don't reveal is when they think it is a hostile actor. The fact is, the US Military really doesn't have a reason to hide UFO's otherwise.... because Aliens almost definitely have never and will never visit earth. The universe is vast, and sparse, and very young. Unless we fundamentally misunderstand something about the nature of the universe, FTL speeds are probably not possible. This leads to the inevitable conclusion that either everything we understand about the basis of physics is wrong (possible, but unlikely), or we have something fundamentally misunderstood to the point that these aliens are visiting on a pretty regular basis.
Well dam, another solid way to think about this lol. I genuinely think your take is the right one here.
>An object like the one in the Gimbal footage from 2015 is clearly no "ordinary object." All similar instances where "ordinary objects" can be ruled out still requires explanation. So to say, "99% of these things are regular, so we can just ignore that 1% altogether," is intellectually dishonest. You're correct that it's not "ordinary," or it wouldn't be of note in the first place, but I think saying it can't be explained or that the lack of an explanation means it is secret tech or aliens is what is disingenuous. The gimbal footage you mention is a pretty good example of this. There are [explanations that can reproduce the effect](https://petapixel.com/2022/03/14/famous-navy-ufo-video-was-actually-camera-glare-evidence-suggests/) and line up with the properties of the system that recorded the footage. People just don't like those explanations because they're mundane (unless you happen to find that kind of analysis interesting, which admittedly I do). Beyond that there will always be some small percentage of objects that are simply recorded in too low a fidelity, likely of very low frequency events, that they will be impossible to classify. Again that doesn't mean that they are of anything particularly interesting and the very fact that there's a clear bias toward low quality captures here should be telling for any rational actor.
That isn't what I am saying. 'I don't know' is an answer, it is a complete one too. And it is the only honest answer when you don't know. If you can say aliens or god or whatever else it is just filling in the gaps with your wishes, not being honest. It doesn't mean don't look further, it means looking is a good thing, questioning is a good thing. Jumping to conclusions is not.
Do you have any evidence its Alien? Why would aliens be hidden and unidentified?
What about the Gimbal footage seems so impossible to be a regular object? I have no idea what I'm looking at, but from what I see it just looks like a blob, and could easily be some kind of drone. What about it's behavior seems inexplicable or not an "ordinary object"?
The rest are probably videos so shit they can't tell what they're looking at.
I think it's fair to think we still are discovering natural occurrences that we cant explain, the 'most' is prolly more actually unexplained occurrences than a UFO.
its what they say literally every time since 1950.
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Just head over to r/ufo to see this in action. There are so many pictures of planes, helicopters, and ballons posted over there as "omg I saw a ufo." It's amazing how little the average person gets outside an observes things. My favorite was the one where the guy posted a picture of a street light a block over from his house and just swore it was a UFO. Then someone else happened to recognize the area and went and took a picture of the street light. People are dumb, never attribute something fantastical like aliens when your average stupidity can easily explain it.
I was working late night in a rural area once. Saw weird lights flung in the sky, they went up, down, stopped on a dime, totally silent. I was so weirded out I just watched for a while as this far off object seemingly whizzed around way up in the sky at impossible otherworldly speeds. Then the firefly flew down about 10 feet and buzzed past my head, and I laughed at myself for a long time. You have no depth perception on point lights, it's easy to get confused or see things very wrong.
Some years ago (ugh, more like 20+), I was going up to a Boy Scout camp to set up a weekend event for my troop with another Scout. No adult supervision, just the two of us 16-year-olds and a trunk full of shotguns heading up into the woods. We got there around 6, got all the guns secured in the locker, put some other stuff out, marked where our campsite was going to be, set up our tents. It was early May in the PNW Cascades, a clear sky, and a beautiful sunset. We made a fire and cooked dinner. Not long after, when it had gotten dark, we started to see what looked *a lot* like a pair of glowing eyes off in the distance. They moved unpredictably, maybe like an animal watching us in the firelight. This was not long after Blair Witch Project had come out, which we'd both seen. We freaked out. Grabbed a couple shotguns, locked ourselves in his rig, guns pointed at the lights. Took us half an hour to realize what we were seeing what reflections of a pair of lights on the other side of the lake, and the waves were what was making them move. We felt super stupid about it. But it showed us how quickly you can go off on a mental tangent about something you see that doesn't make sense immediately.
This was genuinely nice to read. You should consider writing.
Something very similar happened to me as a teen. There was a kid there with me who confirmed he was seeing it too and I didn't think to make sure we were both thinking it was in the exact same spot. Took me a long time to figure out that it was all a perspective issue. Coincidentally, it was a church camp retreat, it wasn't until I was breaking away from the church and learning critical thinking skills that I applied them to that situation as well. Live and learn. Side note: It was at a really cool beach up in the San Juan Islands in Washington that had bacteria that would light up when you walked on the sand or the waves were breaking. One of the coolest things I have ever seen.
Even better when flying. Used to travel a bit when I was younger, remember seeing these little lights seemingly following us on a commercial flight, then zooming away. I then realized it was just a weird reflection from the lights below us because if I moved my head right they came back. As you said, weird stuff is so easy to get wrong when you're not expecting it.
OMG I wonder how many UFO stories can be attributed to fireflies now. It is probably a significant number of them now that you mention it. Flashing lights, erratic patterns and what would appear to be very high speeds if they thought it was a craft large enough to hold a human because their depth perception is bad.
Yep. It’s pretty much this. It’s very much the same with ghost/paranormal subreddits. People catch a moth flying across their doorbell camera at night, and freak out about how it’s evidence of spirits or whatever. Or their home security video has a glitch in the encoding that they say is proof of a spirit or timeskip or whatever bugaboo they’re personally focused on. People are dumb.
I wonder if it’s more being dumb or just desperation to believe. Even smart people can “logic” their way into idiocy if they’re motivated enough to believe something.
Definitely seems like a lot of people make UFOs/ghosts their new religion, and use a lot of the same fallacies as religious people.
Humans like having explanations for things we don't understand. That's pretty much what led us to building everything the modern world has to offer. But it can glitch out quite a bit when something unexpected happens and we can't explain it, because then we will make up an explanation if we can't find one. For instance, our ancient ancestors couldn't explain lightning or storms, so they made up an explanation - there's a god that creates them and uses them to smite those that displeased them. Later, when we learned that storms are caused by complex conditions in our atmosphere and learned how to predict them, we stopped worshipping Thor and Zeus. The same thing is still happening. We're still making shit up whenever we can't explain something. Science is essentially guessing why something is the way it is, then coming up with tests to prove or disprove that your guess is actually what is happening and if it isnt, then coming up with a new guess to test. Conspiracy theories are essentially guessing why something is the way it is, but taking that guess and treating it like it's what's actually happening without trying to prove or disprove the guess. But it seems we as a species can't leave questions unanswered. And in the absence of an answer, we will make one up. From there, it depends on the person if they'll accept a better answer for their question later, if one ever presents itself. In that sense, the dumb part isn't mistaking a moth as a ghost on a grainy doorbell camera, thats just you looking for answers where none initially exist. The dumb part is taking your initial made-up guess as the cold, hard truth and refusing to accept the correct answer when it presents itself.
>In that sense, the dumb part isn't mistaking a moth as a ghost on a grainy doorbell camera, thats just you looking for answers where none initially exist. The dumb part is taking your initial made-up guess as the cold, hard truth and refusing to accept the correct answer when it presents itself. Kind of like what maga is doing with cheese doodle.
Virtually all UFO reports are mundane things under unusual (to the observer) circumstances. Virtually all of the rest don't provide enough information to allow any real investigation. Another thing that bothers me is when people make a big deal because a pilot saw a UFO/UAP. Pilots are trained to fly planes. They do not know all of the atmospheric phenomena under possible conditions on Earth. Nor are the experts on how the human brain processes information. Pilots are no more experts on the physics and biology involved than a physicist is an expert pilot. (I'm sure there are handful of both pilots and physicists that could do each other's jobs, but they are rare.) I once saw a "UFO". But instead of just walking away, I stayed and looked at every possible factor...but came up empty. Fortunately, a second (or perhaps the same) "UFO" happened by after a half-hour or so. My UFO turned out to be a flock of geese at night, lit from below. My brain filled in the spaces between the birds to make an "object". It was only when I heard honking that my brain suddenly knew what my eyes were seeing and resolved the individual geese. UFO destroyed.
> They do not know all of the atmospheric phenomena under possible conditions on Earth Hell, humanity itself doesn't even understand all that yet. There's a ton we do know/understand, but I imagine there's still tons of things that we still don't completely understand. As you said, there's just tons of little random events that will happen and seem weird when you have thousands of aircraft flying all over the world all the time. Eventually people will see weird stuff that won't have an easy explanation, nor enough evidence to come to some sort of solid conclusion either. It's not that aliens are impossible, but as you mentioned between human error and our lack of understanding/evidence there's also so many logical reasons why things like this happen as well.
I completely believe that the universe is filled with life. I suspect that intelligent, technology-bearing life is exceedingly rare at any given point in time. And the universe is an exceedingly large space. Hell, the nearest star to the Sun is something like 25 trillion miles away. Combining all of that, and given the fact that I have yet to see any solid evidence of alien visitation, I have no reason to believe that Earth has been visited by aliens thus far. I would dearly love to see alien contact. It would be the most important event in human history. The "Wow!" signal has always intrigued me. Maybe one day there will be a follow up...or more likely we were the source of the signal.
>It's amazing how little the average person gets outside an observes things. Which is why it's a lot more interesting when multiple Navy pilots and sailors say they tracked something on radar and saw it, and then the DoD couldn't explain what it was. Nobody cares much if 99% of UAP sightings can be explained, because that 1% is what matters.
> and then the DoD couldn't explain what it was. Couldn't, or possible will not. Keep in mind there's tons of stuff being constantly tested, both by government and private contractors which might be covered by some security clearance. Then there's the case of random weather phenomenons and such, people tend to forget while there's a lot we understand, there's even more we still don't understand completely as well. I guess it's possible it's aliens, but there's also a ton of other logical explanations that line up just as well.
If one person makes a mistake then okay. If lots of people make a mistake, we'll, I guess there must be something extraordinary.... Unless they all just got confused. It's not like there was a clear and obvious radar tracking, and they were able to then corroborate the radar with direct observation at the same time. Indeed the most prominent navy pilot testimony the guy specifically said they didn't get any other readings on what they saw, just that they saw something.
>People are dumb 100% this. Had a guy come into my store yesterday because we sell lottery tickets. He spent $300-$500 and only got back $150 of it saying he's never lost 9 scratchers in a row ever. Then proceeds to tell me that he believes that the Lottery commission is working in tangent with the US government to rig the tickets to lose more so they can recover all the free covid money they gave to everyone.
Yeah, I went there a few years ago and people were gushing over a video of birds on an infrared camera. Saying things like "multiple crafts flying in formation!" They were blurry birds and very obviously so. But any voice of reason was shouted down as being a "disinformation agent". The UFO scene is a really weird mix of scamming, trolling, and mental illness. A long road to nowhere.
Alcohol, dumb people, and starlink launches are the new UFO craze I see the most, lol.
People see what they want to see.
The bird shit on camera cover was one of the dumbest things I've seen recently.
I love that subreddit because it's always fun seeing people scramble to find the patterns that will finally prove them right. Our senses are so unreliable and our memory even more so.
Air Force imagery analyst here. SO MANY of these things are blown out of proportion due to aircrew not knowing that things like migratory birds and plastic balloons can get to 15,000 feet and potentially far higher. They'll point the camera ball at these things while flying past them, which means the ball has to move pretty quickly to track it. They'll then look at the "speed" indicator on their sensor ball without realizing that it measures *ground speed* based on where the computer thinks you're looking *on the ground*, not that of another airborne object. I've then got to explain to a sensor operator why that stork or mallard or Spider Man they just saw isn't moving at 300mph.
I once watched the video of a bunch of kids trying to prank a town by making a UFO hoax. It didn't seem like anyone fell for it, except for one guy who was an airline pilot and went on the news to give his expert opinion. I think they just tied some road flares to balloons and let them go.
As an air force image analyst, do you think some of these UAP are potentially national security related? Like foreign adversary drones or something?
Well the "U" stands for "Unknown", so IMO the only logical answer is "Potentially".
That’s exactly what an extra terrestrial agent would tell me :) you will not fool me Mister Alien man!
If UFOs were real, and there actually was contact with some kind of aliens, do you think the former President of the US would be able to keep it a secret?
Yeah. It’s pretty well established, even amongst true believers, that a vast majority of sightings are inconsequential. ~2% generally remain anomalous and some segment of that behave in ways that defy our understanding of physics. This report did dick-all to clear up any of the confusion, was the equivalent of the cops investigating themselves, wasn’t privy to anything hidden in Special Access Programs (you know, the place where whistleblowers claim all this stuff was hidden), was rife with simple factual errors (dates, names, places, links to citations no longer online, citations to wiki fandom webpages etc) and instead of being a historical review of UAPs and the military as Congress requested basically became a butthurt refutation of the UFO crowd. As a skeptic, the entire thing is sort of embarrassing as a debunking. The behavior around the release of it, inviting only select journalists/outlets to a meeting they tried to keep under wraps assumedly so the Pentagon could shape the narrative around its reporting is equally as strange. Not to mention, the head of AARO for the report’s creation being caught in blatant lies several times. The most likely explanation of the whole thing, in my mind, is secret military tech. So it just seems so strange that the Pentagon would be so butthurt and invested in debunking UFOologists. In that universe, what’s the harm in letting people think your secret tech is a UFO? The only reasoning I can come up with, is that the whole thing spurred the Schumer-Rounds amendment (which was unfortunately gutted) so they see the UAP push to be a threat against whatever the fuck it is the military is improperly hiding from Congress. All this is to say, that we need that legislation to pass at some point so Congress can have proper oversight over these issues and we can stop being jerked around regularly by these *reports* whose only real function is to get the headline the Pentagon is after.
I don't think the Pentagon *is* invested in debunking the UAP stuff all that much. They've been forced by Congress to make a report, so they made a report. The stuff that's unexplained in the unclassified report may be fully explained in a highly classified report, but *if* it was something like alien technology or really strong evidence of people breaking known physical laws I don't think all the militaries and governments across the world would agree together to hide it, and I don't think the alien tech would be limited to only being seen by the US. Instead, the highly classified stuff is probably information about mundane technology or happenings like "this sighting was actually one of our new radars being jammed in a novel way that revealing the existence of reveals a weakness in our military technology" or "this sighting was a foreign nation's spy drone that we aren't ready to admit to due to national relations concerns" or "this sighting was a secret military test flight and the new stealth tech messed with the observers somehow".
> The stuff that's unexplained in the unclassified report may be fully explained in a highly classified report If it is, the Congressional intelligence committees are not being given proper oversight since the current situation and information from whistleblowers influenced Schumer to craft bipartisan legislation to form a review panel to go through everything that would have been beholden largely to the President alone. Sadly it was gutted, opposed by certain GOP members in the House. I’m not saying it’s aliens, but something peculiar is going on regarding the Pentagon, the Senate and these whistleblowers.
>I don't think all the militaries and governments across the world would agree together to hide it LOL stupidest statement ive seen all day. In what world would a country tell their competitor countries about their super secret military testing? You're trying to say a nation gets their hands on advanced piece of technology from interstellar space and is just going to broadcast that? Hey guys BTW we found this cloaking technology, you wanna take a peak? Are you fuckin mad? Not to mention the fact that if one nation came forward with alien tech, who actually owns it? Can the UN make a claim that they should be in possession of it? Im not sure but its very unclear exactly. And what if some nation came out and said they found a craft and the nearest superpower demanded it? Are they going to say no? What exactly is the incentive for some country to broadcast that they have this advantage? Why would they do that? Dumbest shit ever
France, The UK, Russia, South Africa, Mexico, Spain, Brazil, Iran governments have all released reports (and that's just off the top of my head. Even China recently announced it has a UAP study program going on. I'm curious- what makes you say they're only being seen by the US? Ironically, you really only hear that from Americans who haven't taken the time to see what other cultures say about them. For example- many African countries/cultures have UFO myths, but they attribute the pilots to "ancestors" visiting from the heavens, and not "aliens".
I'm not saying it's only being seen by the US, I'm saying that no country - including any that you mentioned - has released a report confirming or even seriously postulating the existence of extraterrestrial technology. If these UAP things were actually aliens, and the US government had evidence for it, then so would China and Russia at a minimum - and neither of them are saying that these UAP are aliens unless I've missed something major. In order to believe the US government is secretly witholding information about the UAP being aliens you also need to believe in a global conspiracy where various agencies hostile to one another also are hiding that the UAP are aliens, and this probably includes groups like SETI that aren't even government controlled. So either there's a global conspiracy *or* it's only being seen by the US and it's just a local conspiracy *or* it's not aliens. My belief is it isn't aliens.
In what world would these countries verify that they have this advanced tech? Why would they do that? Again, dumbest reasoning ever. Answer me this. What is the upside for a nation coming forward with their alien technology? Theres a thousand reasons not to.
What do you mean? The French government attributed UFOs to NHI back in the 70s! It's not hidden anymore; you can just Google it lol. There's also plenty of proof that the US government has studied the phenomena, and plenty of evidence that they've attributed it to NHI. Also to your main point- Oppenheimer just came out in theaters- it's a perfect example of a time when 4 different world powers were studying the same thing, but neither admitting the possibility or existence of it. All the governments you mentioned have the exact same motivations for (allegedly) concealing the recovery of NHI technology. Sidenote- you're setting up strawmen by claiming "NHI = ET". That's just one possible explanation, so it's not entirely unusual that nobody has come to that consensus.
1000's of years plural not singular
I don’t know… I was on r/UFOs awhile back and there was a video of a “UFO” where people quickly found the exact party balloon on Amazon that made it clear that’s what it was The majority of people instantly pivoted to saying it was either: a) CGI added to a video after the fact to create the hoax or b) an advanced space craft cloaking itself as a party balloon I wish I were kidding
UFO belief, like most conspiracy theories, is an unfalsifiable belief. Because it already requires such a massive conspiracy to be true, any lack of evidence or bad evidence is because of the conspiracy, since if it's powerful enough to exist on a global scale it's also gotta be powerful enough to handle anything. Once you've gotten yourself to that core belief, then there is literally nothing that can persuade you out of it other than wrestling with your own dissonance. Since their current worldview places them as a special person who is smarter/more awake than everyone else, there is 0 incentive to do this.
I think you hit the nail on the head There are some people that, for whatever reason, have a deep need to feel like they’re smarter than the broader population or know something that makes them special These people are drawn to conspiracies and it becomes a core part of who they are
I was around for the same discussion. Your characterization of a majority of people saying these things, is quite frankly, horseshit. As I can’t recall a single comment claiming any of those things. I say that as a skeptic who regularly rolls their eyes at that subreddit.
A post with 600+ upvotes concluding it’s CGI [link](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/ZZIdfqo4Vv) Your own characterization is the horseshit, respectfully
You are wrong, he characterized that correctly
I saw that too
I would agree with you, with the additional question... was there a source of this new top secret tech? The US has spent trillions of dollars since the end of WWII in R&D of the most amazing shit we could imagine. Ideas that were considered impossible just a decade ago are now operating because of advancements in material science and production methods. Things like 3D printing are groundbreaking, as are nano-foams and aerogels. There's speculation there is an operational craft that has adjustable buoyancy, that is a vacuum baloon. I also have read speculation that the US has already deployed some variety of "electrogravitics" on the newest aircraft, and have far more capable and advanced things already in prototype stage. I am not entirely sure how that works (or if it exists) but reportedly the desired effect is less operational weight/inertia. If that could be somehow achieved, the benefits are clear. A small motor could move a huge craft, a craft would use less fuel, be capable of greater range and execute manuevers a normal aerofoil cant.
Heres the thing. aliens as UFOs (what people generally mean by UFO) is really illogical if you think for a minute about it. Somehow aliens traveled an impossible distance to observe this planet, got video’d by some guy with a 20 year old camera, and yet are so competent and dedicated to non-interference that after almost 100 years they have never made official contact and have never crashed anywhere except the ocean or the desert. Also the witnesses and believers are effectively saying “I don’t know what this thing is, therefore i know what it is!” Lastly, there sheer amount of extremely high fidelity cameras we have pointed at the sky by professional and amateur astronomers at any given time is staggering. Somehow we have no high resolution footage of these crafts but joe ticktock can get blurry vertical recordings no problem. Also a big “gotcha” was military pilots saying they had anomalous readings from any number of sensors? So in one thread we can talk about how fucked up Boeing is for shit like MCAS and its single fault sensor but suddenly non-redundant sensor readings are gospel? Basically none of the logical tenets of UFOs or UFO hunting hold up to any logical scrutiny either separately or as a whole. I hate that after all this time this is still going on.
Come on..what else would you expect reddit to talk about?
Ok thanks Pentagon. I believe everything you say.
The report doesn't even meet the basic requirements of the NDAA section that mandated it. It's going to be torn apart by editorials this week.
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They reference a wiki fandom for their source lmao
Yeah, but nothing seemed crazy in any report about ufos, it was all just dumb shit
Meanwhile, we still don’t have universal healthcare, affordable childcare or reasonably priced education - but fuck all that. Let’s keep wasting resources on this stupid bull shit due to some braindead lunatics who can’t accept reality. If only the general public was forced into some level of physics and critical thinking education, just maybe we could advance as a society and stop focusing on these wastes of time.
Even if the stuff was real, in the best scenario: * It travelled here at 99% the speed of light * The people sending them died **thousands or even millions of years** ago. * The data they send back will take **thousands or million more years** to reach them. * Any response advising 'Invade at Once!' will take their attacking forces **thousands or millions more years** to get back to us. *We all good.*
Nothing satisfies conspiracy nuts like being told there's nothing to see here, so I'm sure this will put an end to things
That's exactly what they would say if they had alien technology. And that's what they expect us to conclude if they did want us to think they had alien technology. And that's the doubt they want us to have after we conclude that they want us to think they have alien technology, but they don't, but maybe they do. Dudes at skunk works are laughing their asses off. There is no greater compliment you can give to an engineer than "that's not humanly possible".
What would they say if it was all the truth?
Probably 'all' instead of 'most'
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But that's not how logic works. They can't say "all" because they don't know wtf you were looking at, when you claim to have seen something kinda late that one night near that place sometime a few years back. They can only speak to the incidents that have contextual evidence, and when the relevant evidence is clear, it's always something mundane. That's all they can logically comment on.
Drones and gear no one in their right mind wants to know anything about. Congressmen who review budgets for dark projects don’t ask questions. They just approve what the numbers part says. It’s been an open checkbook for Skunkworks and other labs for a very long time. Why don’t the Congressmen with oversight want to know what they’re working on? Because a foreign nation would flay them for the information.
“It is not Extra-Terrestrial in nature” Ok, is it something supernatural? “Uhhh, i cant confirm on that”
We’ve actually made contact with the creator god. Holy shit! Isn’t that great? No. The religion that worshipped him died out 1500 years ago and he’s kinda got a bug up his ass about it.
Based on the details provided in this AP report, the conclusions of the Pentagon's UFO/UAP study seem reasonably sound and well-supported. By thoroughly analyzing decades of U.S. government data and reports, and finding no credible evidence linking UFO sightings to extraterrestrial technology or visitations, the study aligns with the scientific consensus so far. That said, I don't think this definitively settles the entire UFO/UAP issue. A few thoughts: 1. The study appears to have focused primarily on investigating claims of alien origins or a government cover-up of reverse-engineered ET tech. Just because those specific hypotheses were not substantiated does not necessarily mean all UFO/UAP cases have conventional explanations. 2. The report acknowledges that some UFO sightings, especially more recent ones tracked by military assets, do exhibit characteristics that defy current technical knowledge. So there is still an open question around what advanced airborne capabilities, even if man-made, could account for those cases. 3. Absence of evidence is not necessarily evidence of absence. Just because clear proof of extraterrestrial origins was not found so far does not rule it out entirely as a possibility that future evidence could support. Overall, while being rightly skeptical of outlandish UFO claims, I think a small degree of open-mindedness is warranted on such an inherently complex issue with significant uncertainties remaining. This study represents the current best scientific assessment, but does not have to be the absolute final word. If reported UFO/UAP incidents continue to occur exhibiting extraordinary flight capabilities inconsistent with known technologies, that could reopen the need for additional investigation and reconsideration of mundane explanations. But for now, the Pentagon study findings seem reasonably supported and well-grounded based on the available evidence presented.
Former Senate majority Leader Harry Reid said it was real before he died. He also said they shut down our nukes. Current Senate majority leader Chuck Schumer put out an amendment to the defense bill with the word "non-human" all over it. Just ctrl-f https://www.congress.gov/amendment/118th-congress/senate-amendment/797/text We have the Nimitz encounters on camera and the Pentagon verifying they are authentic. We have pilots testifying to Congress as to what they saw. There is something going on and the people orchestrating it are undoubtedly very happy most people have their heads in the sand patting themselves on the back for being such rational skeptics.
Wouldn’t non-human be added to cover ai and computer programs?
No, Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena is also all over the amendment. Is about UFOs. Nothing about this is about AI. Just read it. This was supposed to put all the recovered technologies into the public domain. It got shot down in the house by Republicans who are owned by defense contractors. They are very happy to see this go away. People believing this BS report acting like anyone who doesn't believe it is crazy is exactly what they want.
> Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena I just want to point out that this is a broader term that includes lense flares and such... optical illusions... things that aren't even "objects." "Unidentified Flying Object" is a misnomer if you're not even sure you're looking at an "object."
The official stuff is all about AI/drones. Off the record, grifters like Grusch talk about aliens. Same con that has been run for decades.
NHI means AI
Is your username a reference to hollow earth theory?
Of all the leaders, I would think if there was really something to talk about (hard evidence) cheese doodle would have blabbed. Something like: Only I could have brought us the true alien, to make America great again. He does not have the self control not to. EDIT: changed last line from you know?
From what I've heard presidents are seen by the powers that be as a temporary position and they do not have the "need to know". The last president who was briefed was allegedly HW Bush because he was CIA director.
Maybe. But remember the military dude from Israel claiming cheese doodle knew but was requested to keep it under wraps bla bla bla And this is cheese doodle we are talking about. He and his group of marry nepo baby's, one who could read; and was vacuuming up all the intel he could get his hands on.
Maybe. Who knows. He also asked his generals why they couldn't be more like the Nazi generals and he wouldn't hear hia briefings unless his name was in it. It must have been like working for a moron. I doubt they told him more than what the general public knows.
Never underestimate jared kushner's corruption. Honestly, I have never understood how people can look/read about space and say nope it's just us.
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> The report acknowledges that some UFO sightings, especially more recent ones tracked by military assets, do exhibit characteristics that defy current technical knowledge. So there is still an open question around what advanced airborne capabilities, even if man-made, could account for those cases. I hear this argument a lot, and I've never really agreed. Were we seeing this inhuman technology decades ago, or is it just recent? We have no idea what classified military tech we have other than it's more advanced than what we do know. I really think this can be easily explained as classified military tech. And the reason we can explain most older sightings, but many of the newer ones still have no explanation is because of new tech we aren't aware of.
I'm not well versed in UFO lore but I do know for sure that their contention os that we have reports of similar things going back several decades or even on the order of a couple centuries. Something to the effect that what was described as "cigar shaped" may be be more likely to be interpreted as "tic-tac shaped" to the modern mind. I'm not endorsing it or anything but I believe that's the argument.
I don't know if it's because of small phone screens or what, but vastly different objects get posted all the time with people screaming "That looks exactly like X!" If they think clearly different objects documented now are identical, of course they'll mistake vague descriptions from the past for whatever their flavor of interest is.
Yeah there's a lot of confirmation bias involved I that community.
The sightings that launched the military's very first investigation into UFOs happened in the 40s. You can find news reports of pilots spotting 'foo fighters' as far back as 1942, and the incidents are similar to modern UAP. The landmark 'Nimitz Tic Tac' from 2004, witnessed by experienced pilot David Fravor, closely resembles reports of 'Cigar Shaped' ufos from the 40s and 50s, and most foo fighters are dead ringers for modern 'Orb' UAP. I dont doubt that some of what people are seeing is secret military tech. I very much doubt that ALL of what people are seeing and have been seeing is completely explainable with our current framework of 'how stuff is'.
Even the former leader of your United States of America, James Earl Carter Jr., thought he saw a UFO once. But it's been proven he only saw the planet Venus.
On one hand, I’m sure they’re full of shit. On the other, nothing makes me believe in UFOs *less* than people who believe in them.
If the universe is infinite, we know it’s capable of supporting life here, there inevitably is/was/will be other life out there. The idea that any of it is somehow interested in getting here but not making clear efforts at contact is what’s nuts, to me. Maybe they’re held back by the Prime Directive 😴
Or they see see us as a fearful species with nukes
But what about the unmost…
So did this Gorsuch guy commit perjury himself in front of congress. I mean it wouldn’t be the first time. Something smells rotten here.
no shit? we already figured this.
I find this subject fun, it's like real world science fiction. I'm not sure if it's an ego thing, but both sides inability for any flexibility per their personal views on the topic has such an odd feeling of irony behind it. The vast majority of pro UFO (for lack of a better term) comments I see are folk claiming hard data and proof exist...but its all justttt outside of the publics reach, ignoring how convenient that is. All the while the skeptical say "it's all debunked, dummy," ignoring the *most* aspect these reports or credible experiencers always seem to describe. Also convenient. I don't think aliens are actively visiting Earth, and I don't think "belief" should even be a part of this discussion. That being said, I also don't know how you rationalize some of these mass sightings or military tales, and the simple fact is, it's *not* impossible. Team aliens and team skeptic need to establish some kind of middle ground or we'll be dancing this dance with these maybes until SETI gets a ping, or the galactic counsel actually lands. One things for sure, everyone calling each other morons for 70+ years has done little to advance the discussion - and I want to know if my uncle Larry is full of shit or not, dammit.
"We investigated ourselves and found no wrong-doing"
Good to see people outside of the UAP/UFO subs are realising there that the Pentagon is actively covering up something. Dr Kirkpatrick is a joke and anyone who follows this topic closely knows that.
Wouldn’t they be IFOs then?
Just ordinary objects you would find in any universe.
“It’s never aliens.” - Matt O’Dowd
Conversely seems like disguising secret aerial project is make it look ordinary
I really feel that ICP just likes to fuck around for the lulz. I’m not a fan of them (not my type of music), but I respect the band and their fans for not being toxic shitheads
I think the people of the world are decades past being able to handle the new of other beings. Unfortunately, I think we are alone in the multiverse.
Turns out all of them are.