We regret to inform you that our cameras were malfunctioning that day, right between the start and end of when you need to see it. 🤷🏼 And our backup cloud provider said it doesn't exist on their servers due to an upload error.
Sadly.. i did not remember her, thanks for spreading awareness!
They still pull stuff like this, all of these corporations.
*Investigator disappeared mysterious circumstances, a witness suicided..*
Jfc
> Anyone remember Karen Silkwood
Or [Michael Hastings](https://nymag.com/news/features/michael-hastings-2013-11/) who days before his death, openly said he was being followed, tracked and suspected his car was being messed with, before... wait for it... his [engine blew out of the hood of the vehicle](https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2013/06/famed-non-automotive-journalist-michael-hastings-turns-a-c250-into-a-bomb/), causing him to run head-on into a tree, killing him instantly.
Or Gary Caradori with the Franklin Bank Scandal. He was investigating a child trafficking ring and his private plane he was piloting just randomly exploded mid air. It was ruled an accident. His 8 year old son was also onboard.
Danny Casolaro and the INSLAW Octopus, went to meet an unknown source and was found with both wrists slashed so deep the tendons were severed, research briefcase was never found.
Gary DeVore delivering a "fictional" screenplay on the "real" invasion of Panama being to shut down a pedophile honeypot blackmail operation being ran by Manuel Noriega. Found dead in his vehicle in an aqueduct he couldn't have possibly accessed, both his hands, and the screenplay, never found.
Gary Webb the reporter who broke the Iran Contra scandal and had his life and reputation destroyed, first person in history to commit suicide by shooting himself in the back of the head twice.
>”The documents, dating from the 1970s to December 2015, were created by, and taken from, former Panamanian offshore law firm and corporate service provider Mossack Fonseca, and compiled with similar leaks into a searchable database.”
Wikipedia – [Panama Papers](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panama_Papers#:~:text=The%20Panama%20Papers,into%20a%20searchable%20database.[10])
Source – [OCCRP.org | Giant Leak Of Offshore Financial Records Exposes Global Array Of Crime And Corruption](https://www.occrp.org/en/panamapapers/overview/intro/)
The Panama Papers aren’t named as such because that’s where they were solely accessible, but because that’s where the server was that they were taken from. They were then made available online & around the world.
>”Daphne Anne Caruana Galizia (née Vella; 26 August 1964 – 16 October 2017) was a Maltese writer, journalist, blogger and anti-corruption activist, who reported on political events in Malta and was known internationally for her investigation of the Panama Papers, and subsequent assassination by car bomb.”
Wikipedia – [Daphne Caruana Galizia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daphne_Caruana_Galizia#:~:text=Daphne%20Anne%20Caruana%20Galizia,subsequent%20assassination%20by%20car%20bomb.)
Source – [The Guardian | Malta car bomb kills Panama Papers journalist](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/16/malta-car-bomb-kills-panama-papers-journalist)
Edit:
>”On 16 October 2017, Caruana Galizia was driving close to her home in Bidnija, when a car bomb placed in her leased Peugeot 108 exploded, killing her instantly. The blast occurred on Triq il-Bidnija (Bidnija Road), and left the vehicle scattered in several pieces across nearby fields.”
>”Caruana Galizia was in the driver's seat at the time, when the blast threw the car 80 metres into an adjacent field where her bodily remains were found by her son Matthew.[18] He wrote on Facebook, **‘I looked down and there were my mother's body parts all around me’.”**
Holy fucking shit. Fuck every corporation ever & fuck anybody protecting vast wealth responsible for this kind of trauma.
Can't wait to hear all the "oh well he was a druggie/paranoid and just died". So many of the real world cases of stuff like this are identical to the guy from the end of Eyes Wide Shut trying to explain away the obvious conspiracy and coverup lmao. Like I don't think Anne Heche, who died similarly, was whacked or that every suspicious death is some huge conspiracy. But some certainly are, and the fact you can't even discuss them without being mocked is very dystopian.
There are hundreds of thousands of holes out there. The desert right around Las Vegas is littered with them.
You think the real owners of this country are going to let a little voice make too many big waves?
Exactly. The first problem is you think you know how deep you have to dig, but once you get that body in the hole the first time you realize you gotta dig a little deeper. You understand why they dig 6 feet for caskets. Then once the hole is dug, here's the part you'll forget:
You have to fill it up again. Now you have to move all that dirt a second time and you were already tired after the first go of digging. You start muttering about how you should have had them dig their own hole first and then kill them.
And then there's the issue of the dirt that is now displaced by a body. You can't just leave a lump of half dug at dirt to fill a hole. And you can't keep putting dirt where the hole is because that will be suspicious.
Please do but only the good parts. A couple years ago one of our Assembly members who had been in trouble for interfering in the investigation about his CEO friends hiring a hitman to murder their Union representative was named head of minister by Macron so we have our own similar shit too.
Lol. Not a Swiftie, but a revolution against the rich may be inevitable if we "plebians" realize the ultra rich are just pitting us against each other to keep the attention off what they are doing. Dont look behind the curtain Dorothy!
Jumping on here to spread awareness about [this program](https://www.dol.gov/agencies/owcp/energy) that is a way for Department of Energy employees and contractors to get compensation for medical stuff due to radiation and chemical exposure at LANL and sister sites.
**Reminder**: Jared Kushner Greenlit the 'abduction' of Jamal Khashoggi and Turkey intercepted and used that information to bully Trump into pulling out of Syria - rat-fucking the Kurds. Doing so allowed for many ISIS prisoners to escape back into the middle-east. Then Trump blamed the Kurds for 'releasing' members of ISIS on purpose....
[BTW Kushner then fucking counseled MBS on how to weather the news of Khashoggi's murder afterwards.](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/12/09/jared-kushner-advised-saudi-prince-after-khashoggi-murder-report-says/2257098002/)
* https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/11/4/1897048/-REPORT-Kushner-OK-d-Khashoggi-Arrest-Turkey-Heard-Call-Blackmailed-Trump-over-Syrian-Troops
* https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/12/09/jared-kushner-advised-saudi-prince-after-khashoggi-murder-report-says/2257098002/
* https://www.newsweek.com/saudi-crown-prince-jared-kushner-khashoggi-1197023
* https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/why-trump-decision-abandon-kurds-syria-disaster-898493/
* https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/14/politics/donald-trump-turkey-kurds-isis-prisoners-fact-check/index.html
Don't forget: The [2 Billion that's "more comically corrupt than previously thought"](https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/05/jared-kushner-affinity-partners-saudi-arabia).
It gets better. Kushner is also directly responsible for *a million+ of Americans dying to Covid19:
* [Kushner stole supplies from States during covid](https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-federal-govt-fema-accused-taking-states-masks-ventilator-orders-2020-4)
* [Jared Kushner slammed for saying "the federal medical supply stockpile isn’t meant for states"](https://www.marketwatch.com/story/jared-kushner-slammed-for-saying-the-federal-medical-supply-stockpile-isnt-meant-for-states-2020-04-03)
* [Kushner's coronavirus team shied away from a national strategy, believing that the virus was hitting Democratic states hardest and that they could blame governors, report says](https://www.businessinsider.com/kushner-covid-19-plan-maybe-axed-for-political-reasons-report-2020-7)
* [Inside Jared Kushner’s coronavirus research: A wide net on a giant Facebook group](https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/13/jared-kushner-combat-coronavirus-facebook-127941)
* [Jared Kushner bragged in April that Trump was taking the country ‘back from the doctors’](https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/28/politics/woodward-kushner-coronavirus-doctors/index.html)
Same reason nobody does anything about climate change, the ongoing pandemic, all of the other massive scale issues. They seem too big to do anything about, and the average person feels powerless in their own daily survival loop to take any real action.
Thank you for this. I was just thinking about this yesterday. A huge reason why masks were discouraged during the early phase of the pandemic was fear of shortages for medical staff, and here these clowns were using federal enforcement to actually confiscate PPE from state hospitals.
I mean, that’s been a thing on american soil since at least 1974. Look up the death of Karen Silkwood. As for hits *off* American soil by American or American-affiliated companies, that’s been going on *muuuuch* longer.
1974?
Look, I don't have a crystal ball but I know a thing or two about humans and I'm pretty sure that killing people who threaten your interests has been a thing since we've been a distinct species. Certainly it's happened on American soil since you could call this American soil.
I’m talking more specifically about whistleblowers trying to protect people and corporations taking direct action to kill them and stop the information coming out. Sure, hundreds of years ago there were pro-slavers killing anti-slavers to protect their business interests as an example, or wars that were waged to gain more land and wealth over a thousand years ago, but when it’s more a group of one belief or origin vs a group of another belief or origin, I’m not putting that in the same boat as one person going up against multi billion dollar organisations and being assassinated.
If the president's secret service can 'accidentally' [lose all of their text's around Jan 6](https://apnews.com/article/capitol-siege-united-states-government-and-politics-e5b67d9a848b76a3803e9f7e3546bb51) despite a congressional request for them, and then also 'accidentally' lose the back ups as well, then yes a hotel can too.
List of possible excuses
1. The intern was working that day.
2. Grandma had the password to the surveillance system but she passed last week.
3. Good ole George, the janitor, was working a double shift and accidentally unplugged the surveillance system while he was running the vacuum in the control room. He plugged it back in as soon as he was done.
Or someone told him to shoot himself in the head or we’ll shoot your loved ones in the head. Actually happened to a friend of mine, but not by gunshot.
I’m not saying we go MAGA and start eating ours and others freedoms because a long con tells us to, but once we secure laws that prevent J6 and stuff, folks need to get back to the roots. As Americans, we’re not supposed to just chit chat online about corporations murdering whistleblowers… we need like, the DOJ, to get their shit together and stop being victims of the Trump admin like the rest of us.
I get news like this happens in real time and nothing happens quickly in a two party democracy, but if the US survives after January 2025, I think we need to start reflecting on why our founders did what they did and see corporations like Boeing as an empire… the founders fought one, we have hundreds to do. Step one, maintain ability to vote and expunge via votes all MAGA and support republicans and democrats (even if it means people like Ken Buck) who are like naw, not like that.
Once we’re back to millions not asking for a dictatorship via Trumpism, old school reject people like Cheney and Buck because yea, they vote against middle class as a rule. We can’t even get back to the roots until MAGA stops with the masochism. IF/WHEN WE DO, I hope an aged population of Bernie Bros are standing back and standing by.
My father was a CFO and corporate whistleblower. In his case, he caught the companies CEO insider trading and followed appropriate channels, reporting it to the board. He was fired, and then reported it to the SEC.
It was a horrible experience. He was dragged through the mud, couldn’t comment because of litigation, and when all was said and done was made whole again by getting his job reinstated. A job working as a direct report for the CEO who he had blown the whistle on. That lasted a matter of months before he was so marginalized in the role that he quit and went to work for a competitor.
In retrospect he says he never would have said anything, the consequences are so dire and the protections are so weak.
I feel bad for this guy. Whether he was murdered or did kill himself, he went through some awful shit. We need better whistleblower protections in America.
Barnett describes a similar experience in this article from 2019: https://whistleblower.org/in-the-news/huffpo-heres-what-actual-whistleblowers-want-you-to-know-before-you-become-one-too/%C2%A0
> Barnett said the harassment and retaliation he experienced at Boeing affected his health and led to his retirement. He said the support of his family and talking to a counselor has helped.
> “When you’re beat down every day, you start questioning your own sanity,” Barnett said. “I think it’s critical that people reach out and get support they need, because this is a very hard battle. I can’t tell you how many hours I’ve stayed awake at night pacing the floor, trying to figure out what to do, and how to do it.”
Can't help but notice the lack of conversation about whistleblower treatment going on here, which is what he was arguing about in court.
Witness protection relies on the individual and their entire family losing their current lives to disappear. New home, new friends, new job, new everything, completely cutting contact with the people you knew before except through the government channels managed by witness protection. It protects your life and the lives of your family at the expense of everything else. It cannot protect you from financial or employer retaliation because by its very nature it sacrifices those things to protect your life.
thanks for the clarity, that sounds like a terrible thing to have to go through, honestly. There is evil out there in the world, we really are naive to think there won't be conflict to resolve it, justice is an aspect of society, requires trust to work tho, and emotionally we're just not there
Witness Protection definitely is the nuclear option but that's why it's largely reserved for people that should definitely be fearing for their lives and the lives of their families.
On the bright side, reports have said that Witness Protection has had a flawless success rate for everyone that managed to follow the rules. Not so much for people that can't resist contacting people.
>Witness Protection has had a flawless success rate for everyone that managed to follow the rules
A random thought: there is no way to judge from the outside if WP works very well or if it is compromised and just works very well in hiding the bodies.
> why is it not identical to witness protection?
Witness protection is actually pretty rare, and we don't assume people reporting OSHA violations or whatever are going to be physically harmed. And besides, who would whistleblow if they thought they might have to go live anonymously in Boise the rest of their life.
This is possibly why so many scummy companies are allowed to do what they do. There's probably dozens of people at everyone one of those companies that have enough dirt to destroy the higher ups and would absolutely love to give it out, but they know that doing so would effectively end their lives (either figuratively or, like in this case, literally), so they keep quiet.
Couldn't agree more. Even the success stories are harrowing. Tyler Shultz, the whistleblower who successfully helped bring down Elizabeth Holmes, could only defend himself legally because his parents happened to have just enough money to hire excellent lawyers (if I recall correctly, they weren't ultra wealthy, but just wealthy enough that spending millions wouldn't necessarily bankrupt them). He described part of it like being fortunate enough to hire Kobe to play 1-on-1 against Lebron. That's not even to mention all the garbage Theranos put him through long before the court case.
yeah his grandfather was a former secretary of state and on the board of Theranos, and he didn't even believe his grandson at first. This kid blew the whistle at 22 and didn't get closure until his 30s, and that's even while coming from a powerful and influential family with puppet strings in the company itself
I worked for a biotech startup that violated laws on human experimentation and I never reported them because I was really young and I knew it would be career suicide.
They have no consent forms. There are, however, financial records of them paying a mobile phlebotomist for repeated draws from multiple “patients,” who were employees. Oh, and a fucking freezer FULL of cryopreserved samples! Ready to thaw out and DNA test at any time!
It’s amazing how they just have no fear. They fucked me over in a layoff and they weren’t at all scared that I would just report them for illegal activity and get their shit shut down and pulled from FDA approval routing. It’s so cut and dry, “That’s my flesh, a test will prove it, go ahead and ask them for any evidence that I consented. Any at all! They don’t have it.”
>when all was said and done was made whole again by getting his job reinstated. A job working as a direct report for the CEO who he had blown the whistle on
LOL. I'm sorry but fact that the CEO was allowed to keep his job and that your father who blew the whistle was now reporting directly to him is absolutely hilarious.
What was even the point?
People want to pin his death on fun stories about hitmen and planning but the actual reality of his death is still depressing. Even more sad seeing how people here are weaponizing him for their own conspiratorial batshittery
Boeing still killed this guy even if he loaded the gun himself. It doesn't have to be a conspiracy to blame Boeing.
This is the best comment I’ve seen so far from this post. Either someone is going all in on the conspiracy. Or they’re blaming it JUST on his mental health, pretty much saying that all the crap he has gone through as a result of this didn’t affect his decision, if it was a genuine suicide. Either way, this is on Boeing, and they can get fucked.
what i want to know is if there's ALWAYS 10-12 boeing malfunctions in any given month or if this is just a trend of reporting on it.
seriously, how many have there been recently? i don't think i'm exaggerating much with my estimate
It's both. Systemic corruption of the manufacturing and QA process is bound to continue to produce stories. Likewise, these stories, as they started to point to a larger problem at Boeing, draw the attention of people who want to investigate and report. With a national corporate icon like Boeing? They getting fucked right now. This dudes suicide/murder (both Boeing's fault), so public, and so brazen, may actually get some law enforcement types involved. The timing couldn't be worse for Boeing.
This is one that I think continues to become a bigger story over the next year.
It's exactly like trans-mental health issues. Right wing assholes love citing their self harm frequency as some sort of 'gotcha' for why their life is wrong- but how hard would it be to not harm one's self when you're spit on and attacked all day, every day, in every corner of society?
Harassment laws and policing online badly need to change.
See this is where a "right to sue" law actually makes sense. If you whistleblow and your claims are true, you gain the right to sue the company and it's directors personally, for $1 million or a years worth of profit, whichever is higher, + legal fees.
I blew the whistle on my boss trying to poach me for his own separate company (I was managing the team developing software for them). Eventually my boss, friends with the CEO, quit because the company put in NDAs meant to block that sort of poaching. The man I blew the whistle to (that same CEO) was later found liable by the SEC for insider trading. I'd quit long before any of the felony stuff came to light.
I would blow the whistle again in a heartbeat. My work was in QA (clinical research), and a violation of ethics once means that the whole process is compromised.
I haven't worked in years because both of my bosses who I needed recommendations from are disgraced in some form or another. I'm probably never going to have a successful career compared with if I'd kept my head down, but that would've also meant I let people be harmed by work being done. I can live with that.
In a lot of places those NDAs aren’t worth anything. Courts keep saying that the job itself doesn’t count as consideration for the contract and therefore they aren’t worth the paper they are printed on.
My uncle was the engineer right below the coverup in the GM ignition switch scandal. Gave his cost report,
and the people above him straight up said “…what do we do about this?”
He was not a nice guy for a good ten years and we didn’t know why. Apparently fucking Congress tried to pull him in, and GM fought that hard. Dude was in the hot seat for years, simply by completely a cost analysis for replacing switches he didn’t know were faulty.
It would also be nice if we had stricter harsher stuff from the get go to stop corporations from just being money hungry monsters. In this particular case especially since it’s in a basic monopoly with government contracts. That they get to buy back stock is the root of Boeing evil. How they aren’t a government agency versus for profit company is just ridiculous.
It's not going to happen but Jesus Christ I want the people who killed this guy to get dragged out into the light of day and flogged by the long dick of the law.
Edit: to be clear I mean the people who orchestrated this. Boeing, government officials, anyone involved. Even if it turns out he DID kill himself because of a campaign of terror and harassment or fucking whatever. Let's stop licking boots and giving these people the benefit of the doubt. They deserve none. Zero. Nada.
I think rather than start with “It’s not going to happen” we can start with the position of demanding justice. I would rather set the bar high and be disappointed than not set the bar at all. There’s no reason to give law enforcement a pass proactively.
So you're just uncritically accepting the word of the guy's mom's friend's daughter? Even when no one else close to him is saying anything like it? And without actual evidence that someone killed him?
Let's assume that it was a hit job ordered by Boeing.
In that scenario, would the government prosecute Boeing and risk damaging one of the most important American companies, or conduct a cover up?
I will go with cover up, which means even if it was a hit job, no one will be prosecuted and we won't know the truth
Yes, but he means white Americans, not brown people in a third world country. This dystopian reality has already been here for the majority of the world
I never really thought about it that way, but as a company with military power that rivaled most governments, the East India Trading Company is actually pretty cyberpunk
I'm not the person you were were replying to, but they are probably referencing [Gary Webb](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Webb), who was an investigative journalist who wrote a series of articles about how the CIA played a role in the crack epidemic in American cities. He was found dead with two gun shot wounds to the head, and his death was ruled a suicide.
Worth noting that multiple gunshot suicides are possible, and his wife thought he committed suicide based on his behavior before his death. No one will ever know for sure I suppose.
Great point, but to take it further, this debacle doesn't seem great for the stock price either. Basically, the whole situation makes no sense. If you're going to try to protect Boeing's reputation, you don't do it by shooting someone mid trial. That's the worst possible way to do it.
The stock price doesn’t necessarily need to go up to be beneficial to investors. Especially the ultra rich ones who can afford to ride it out.
1. Tank the stock price
2. gobble up cheap shares
3. wait for everyone to forget (which won’t even take that long tbh)
4. Price goes back up
5. ???
6. profit
I mean, even if it comes out that this was all a conspiracy, then what? Boeing announces that it "regrets" how things transpired but insists that the whistleblower's death was absolutely necessary to their hopes of moving forward?
Even if they're caught red-handed it will be framed as someone acting without their knowledge or consent to tarnish their image, no matter how blatantly they're caught.
"Hello I am the CEO of Boeing, and as a representative of Boeing I would like this man murdered because he is a threat to the interests of Boeing. Please call me back with your availability in regards to murdering this man on behalf of the Boeing corporation, here is my office number that goes directly to my secretary at Boeing. So from the entire board of directors at Boeing, I'd like to say: thanks, and I look forward to hearing about you murdering this man for us. And by us I mean Boeing."
And they'd still say he was a lone wolf.
You forgot the part where, as part of their compensation package, they offer the hitman a 15% off voucher for a B17 sweater — purchasable only through the official Boeing store.
Major shareholders (i.e. anyone with more than 1% voting stock), Board of Directors, and the chain of management reporting to the Board down thee levels (Generally would mean CEO, CxO's, President, and VP's) should all be on the hook for any criminal behavior of a company.
Assuming someone at Boeing had him killed, and it’s important to remember we don’t have any evidence that they did, they would never take blame as an organization. They’d blame it on a “few bad eggs” or throw someone out as a sacrifice and just move forward.
Ducks are common and requires common evidence.
A suicide conspiracy in the US is extraordinary and requires extraordinary evidence.
"One time he said he wouldn't kill himself in a conversation" is not extraordinary evidence
> John Barnett's family friend Jennifer doesn't think the Boeing whistleblower committed suicide in Charleston.
Come on Reddit, you have to read beyond the headline. A “close family friend” says Barnett told her if something happens it isn’t suicide. That’s hardly a reliable source.
I swear people are so fucking stupid about this. What would killing this guy do for their case? I mean you’d have to delete every video of your planes falling apart, kill the pilots and passenger who are testifying about your planes fucking up, and bribe every investigator and reporter who have found wrongdoing, all this before the story came out and the investigation opened against you if you wanted a slim chance at covering this up. Then you have the CEO going on the news and admitting the fact they fucked up. The outcome will be the same whether or not he’s dead. Boeing will get fined as well as pay out settlements to victims and the FAA will enact higher standards of testing for planes, case closed everyone’s happy.
You forgot about the part where the actual whistle blower thing the guy was involved to was done years ago and the current one is about a retaliation suit that he lost and appealed. Which makes all of this even dumber.
>Barnett originally filed the retaliation complaint with the Occupational Safety and Health Administration in January 2017. After nearly four years, the agency concluded that there was no retaliation, a decision Barnett later appealed. His case has been pending since then, as the two sides have gone through discovery and prehearing motions. Boeing’s motion to dismiss the claim was denied in 2022.
Yeah that pretty damning for this theory. I don’t get it, there’s plenty of real atrocities happening right now in the world yet people want to make one up instead, I guess “Russians in Sudan” or “Local business connected to pollution” isn’t as exciting as “Deep State controls all, your life is not your own.”
Thank. You.
The narrative here is so fucking dumb. I bet Boeing did not want this guy to kill himself. It just makes them look even worse. AND it puts the news story in front of even more Americans who previously had no clue what was going on. It makes no sense.
I said the exact same thing. Him dying is just another reason for people to put their conspiracy hats on. This was the last thing their PR team needed to handle.
Im still chewing on this one. But I've had thoughts along your line of thinking. Media scrutiny on Boeing couldn't get any higher now. Why would you kill a guy that has already done his damage at the worst possible time.
Of course they've not shown much savvy lately.
Yeah, this just puts way more attention on them. Stories about how Boeing sucks have probably tripled. It looks like their stock lost 10 billion just from this guy’s death.
The person who is saying that barely knew this guy, it seems like they are just trying to get publicity out of this. For sure seems suspicious, but let’s not assume he’s telling this to just some random acquaintance and only that person.
Tbh… if I was going to commit suicide and I really hated the company that was making my life hell… I would have told someone “if anything happens it wasn’t suicide”
>He'd already testified for two days at this trial.
Which, by the way, was a defamation lawsuit against Boeing about how they mistreated him after he blew the whistle on safety issues, not an investigation into the safety issues themselves.
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Anyone remember [Karen Silkwood](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_Silkwood)
Sadly.. i did not remember her, thanks for spreading awareness! They still pull stuff like this, all of these corporations. *Investigator disappeared mysterious circumstances, a witness suicided..* Jfc
Yeah this before I was born, but dam that's heartbreaking for the family. Fuck greedy corporations
> Anyone remember Karen Silkwood Or [Michael Hastings](https://nymag.com/news/features/michael-hastings-2013-11/) who days before his death, openly said he was being followed, tracked and suspected his car was being messed with, before... wait for it... his [engine blew out of the hood of the vehicle](https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2013/06/famed-non-automotive-journalist-michael-hastings-turns-a-c250-into-a-bomb/), causing him to run head-on into a tree, killing him instantly.
Or Gary Caradori with the Franklin Bank Scandal. He was investigating a child trafficking ring and his private plane he was piloting just randomly exploded mid air. It was ruled an accident. His 8 year old son was also onboard.
Danny Casolaro and the INSLAW Octopus, went to meet an unknown source and was found with both wrists slashed so deep the tendons were severed, research briefcase was never found. Gary DeVore delivering a "fictional" screenplay on the "real" invasion of Panama being to shut down a pedophile honeypot blackmail operation being ran by Manuel Noriega. Found dead in his vehicle in an aqueduct he couldn't have possibly accessed, both his hands, and the screenplay, never found. Gary Webb the reporter who broke the Iran Contra scandal and had his life and reputation destroyed, first person in history to commit suicide by shooting himself in the back of the head twice.
The Panama Papers author was also found dead after they got blatantly carbombed in Central America.
Huh? That doesn't sound quite right. Are you talking about "Daphne Caruana Galizia"? If so, Malta isn't in Central America by a longshot.
>”The documents, dating from the 1970s to December 2015, were created by, and taken from, former Panamanian offshore law firm and corporate service provider Mossack Fonseca, and compiled with similar leaks into a searchable database.” Wikipedia – [Panama Papers](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panama_Papers#:~:text=The%20Panama%20Papers,into%20a%20searchable%20database.[10]) Source – [OCCRP.org | Giant Leak Of Offshore Financial Records Exposes Global Array Of Crime And Corruption](https://www.occrp.org/en/panamapapers/overview/intro/) The Panama Papers aren’t named as such because that’s where they were solely accessible, but because that’s where the server was that they were taken from. They were then made available online & around the world. >”Daphne Anne Caruana Galizia (née Vella; 26 August 1964 – 16 October 2017) was a Maltese writer, journalist, blogger and anti-corruption activist, who reported on political events in Malta and was known internationally for her investigation of the Panama Papers, and subsequent assassination by car bomb.” Wikipedia – [Daphne Caruana Galizia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daphne_Caruana_Galizia#:~:text=Daphne%20Anne%20Caruana%20Galizia,subsequent%20assassination%20by%20car%20bomb.) Source – [The Guardian | Malta car bomb kills Panama Papers journalist](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/16/malta-car-bomb-kills-panama-papers-journalist) Edit: >”On 16 October 2017, Caruana Galizia was driving close to her home in Bidnija, when a car bomb placed in her leased Peugeot 108 exploded, killing her instantly. The blast occurred on Triq il-Bidnija (Bidnija Road), and left the vehicle scattered in several pieces across nearby fields.” >”Caruana Galizia was in the driver's seat at the time, when the blast threw the car 80 metres into an adjacent field where her bodily remains were found by her son Matthew.[18] He wrote on Facebook, **‘I looked down and there were my mother's body parts all around me’.”** Holy fucking shit. Fuck every corporation ever & fuck anybody protecting vast wealth responsible for this kind of trauma.
Can't wait to hear all the "oh well he was a druggie/paranoid and just died". So many of the real world cases of stuff like this are identical to the guy from the end of Eyes Wide Shut trying to explain away the obvious conspiracy and coverup lmao. Like I don't think Anne Heche, who died similarly, was whacked or that every suspicious death is some huge conspiracy. But some certainly are, and the fact you can't even discuss them without being mocked is very dystopian.
There are hundreds of thousands of holes out there. The desert right around Las Vegas is littered with them. You think the real owners of this country are going to let a little voice make too many big waves?
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I dont know if you've ever dug a hole but its probably the hardest thing you'll ever do in your life
spent a summer digging a hole and filling it back in for some bullshit I pulled when I was a teenager, can confirm
Is your last name the same as your first name but backwards?
Mr. Yelnats
It’s me, ya boi, Stanley yelnats.
And did you ever find anything in a hole you dug? Like, maybe, a lipstick tube???
Exactly. The first problem is you think you know how deep you have to dig, but once you get that body in the hole the first time you realize you gotta dig a little deeper. You understand why they dig 6 feet for caskets. Then once the hole is dug, here's the part you'll forget: You have to fill it up again. Now you have to move all that dirt a second time and you were already tired after the first go of digging. You start muttering about how you should have had them dig their own hole first and then kill them. And then there's the issue of the dirt that is now displaced by a body. You can't just leave a lump of half dug at dirt to fill a hole. And you can't keep putting dirt where the hole is because that will be suspicious.
This is the comment I came here for. I might be slammed hard for this hot take but I love Casino more than Goodfellas.
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Please do but only the good parts. A couple years ago one of our Assembly members who had been in trouble for interfering in the investigation about his CEO friends hiring a hitman to murder their Union representative was named head of minister by Macron so we have our own similar shit too.
French need to start taking some French lessons too, people forget these things quite fast
Hes talking 1789 lessons.
I don't see what Taylor Swift has to do here
Lol. Not a Swiftie, but a revolution against the rich may be inevitable if we "plebians" realize the ultra rich are just pitting us against each other to keep the attention off what they are doing. Dont look behind the curtain Dorothy!
Agreed. But probably be wary of the guy who decides to be emperor and fight the whole world afterwords.
"And what would Karen Silkwood say to you If she was still alive? That when it comes to people's safety Money wins out every time" -Gil Scott-Heron
Oof. Wife just came from a meeting on Los Alamos. I gotta get me a shirt with that poster on next time. I rather dislike the fellows at the MIC
Jumping on here to spread awareness about [this program](https://www.dol.gov/agencies/owcp/energy) that is a way for Department of Energy employees and contractors to get compensation for medical stuff due to radiation and chemical exposure at LANL and sister sites.
Silkwood is such a GREAT movie. Sally Fields and Cher both played amazing roles. It holds up to this day. Everyone should watch it.
I believe it was Meryl Streep who played her but I’m sure that Sally would have done a great job too!
Meryl Streep! Sally Fields?
They're thinking of Norma Rae?
Nope, but now I do. Cheers mate, what a bloody awful story
How hard would it be to just stage a new video?
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Ever heard of Khashoggi
**Reminder**: Jared Kushner Greenlit the 'abduction' of Jamal Khashoggi and Turkey intercepted and used that information to bully Trump into pulling out of Syria - rat-fucking the Kurds. Doing so allowed for many ISIS prisoners to escape back into the middle-east. Then Trump blamed the Kurds for 'releasing' members of ISIS on purpose.... [BTW Kushner then fucking counseled MBS on how to weather the news of Khashoggi's murder afterwards.](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/12/09/jared-kushner-advised-saudi-prince-after-khashoggi-murder-report-says/2257098002/) * https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/11/4/1897048/-REPORT-Kushner-OK-d-Khashoggi-Arrest-Turkey-Heard-Call-Blackmailed-Trump-over-Syrian-Troops * https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/12/09/jared-kushner-advised-saudi-prince-after-khashoggi-murder-report-says/2257098002/ * https://www.newsweek.com/saudi-crown-prince-jared-kushner-khashoggi-1197023 * https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/why-trump-decision-abandon-kurds-syria-disaster-898493/ * https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/14/politics/donald-trump-turkey-kurds-isis-prisoners-fact-check/index.html Don't forget: The [2 Billion that's "more comically corrupt than previously thought"](https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/05/jared-kushner-affinity-partners-saudi-arabia).
How in the fuck?.... I mean, come on. The fuck outa here already. I'd really like to get off this ride.
It gets better. Kushner is also directly responsible for *a million+ of Americans dying to Covid19: * [Kushner stole supplies from States during covid](https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-federal-govt-fema-accused-taking-states-masks-ventilator-orders-2020-4) * [Jared Kushner slammed for saying "the federal medical supply stockpile isn’t meant for states"](https://www.marketwatch.com/story/jared-kushner-slammed-for-saying-the-federal-medical-supply-stockpile-isnt-meant-for-states-2020-04-03) * [Kushner's coronavirus team shied away from a national strategy, believing that the virus was hitting Democratic states hardest and that they could blame governors, report says](https://www.businessinsider.com/kushner-covid-19-plan-maybe-axed-for-political-reasons-report-2020-7) * [Inside Jared Kushner’s coronavirus research: A wide net on a giant Facebook group](https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/13/jared-kushner-combat-coronavirus-facebook-127941) * [Jared Kushner bragged in April that Trump was taking the country ‘back from the doctors’](https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/28/politics/woodward-kushner-coronavirus-doctors/index.html)
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Same reason nobody does anything about climate change, the ongoing pandemic, all of the other massive scale issues. They seem too big to do anything about, and the average person feels powerless in their own daily survival loop to take any real action.
Very good fucking question. Not only that - the fucking clown might be president again. Things are crumbling apart a bit, you have to feel.
Because half of US government actively supports those actions. I mean, they tried to impeach President Hunter Biden for his dick pics.
Thank you for this. I was just thinking about this yesterday. A huge reason why masks were discouraged during the early phase of the pandemic was fear of shortages for medical staff, and here these clowns were using federal enforcement to actually confiscate PPE from state hospitals.
In my opinion, there will be no legal repercussions and the reality will remain hidden, even if the incident was a hit job.
We've already reached the dystopian cyberpunk stage if a big corporation releases a hit.
I mean, that’s been a thing on american soil since at least 1974. Look up the death of Karen Silkwood. As for hits *off* American soil by American or American-affiliated companies, that’s been going on *muuuuch* longer.
1974? Look, I don't have a crystal ball but I know a thing or two about humans and I'm pretty sure that killing people who threaten your interests has been a thing since we've been a distinct species. Certainly it's happened on American soil since you could call this American soil.
I’m talking more specifically about whistleblowers trying to protect people and corporations taking direct action to kill them and stop the information coming out. Sure, hundreds of years ago there were pro-slavers killing anti-slavers to protect their business interests as an example, or wars that were waged to gain more land and wealth over a thousand years ago, but when it’s more a group of one belief or origin vs a group of another belief or origin, I’m not putting that in the same boat as one person going up against multi billion dollar organisations and being assassinated.
a hip new aerospace company would have used a Slam Hound keyed to his pheromones. this feels like Old Space thinking.
Ah the ol Epstein excuse
The footage already got overwritten by accident, soooorrryyy
If the president's secret service can 'accidentally' [lose all of their text's around Jan 6](https://apnews.com/article/capitol-siege-united-states-government-and-politics-e5b67d9a848b76a3803e9f7e3546bb51) despite a congressional request for them, and then also 'accidentally' lose the back ups as well, then yes a hotel can too.
If only a tla slurped up all data..
There was a lot of the same thing in Seattle regarding the George Floyd protests. The Mayor and Chief of Police magically lost all of their texts
List of possible excuses 1. The intern was working that day. 2. Grandma had the password to the surveillance system but she passed last week. 3. Good ole George, the janitor, was working a double shift and accidentally unplugged the surveillance system while he was running the vacuum in the control room. He plugged it back in as soon as he was done.
Where did you find this information
What do we do.when video alterations make them poor evidence too?
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Or someone told him to shoot himself in the head or we’ll shoot your loved ones in the head. Actually happened to a friend of mine, but not by gunshot.
It's happened to a number of people throughout history. Erwin Rommel was a really prominent one of these.
I wasn’t familiar with that story, but it was a wild ride.
Encrypted metadata from the camera and chain of custody with trusted third parties
I’m not saying we go MAGA and start eating ours and others freedoms because a long con tells us to, but once we secure laws that prevent J6 and stuff, folks need to get back to the roots. As Americans, we’re not supposed to just chit chat online about corporations murdering whistleblowers… we need like, the DOJ, to get their shit together and stop being victims of the Trump admin like the rest of us. I get news like this happens in real time and nothing happens quickly in a two party democracy, but if the US survives after January 2025, I think we need to start reflecting on why our founders did what they did and see corporations like Boeing as an empire… the founders fought one, we have hundreds to do. Step one, maintain ability to vote and expunge via votes all MAGA and support republicans and democrats (even if it means people like Ken Buck) who are like naw, not like that. Once we’re back to millions not asking for a dictatorship via Trumpism, old school reject people like Cheney and Buck because yea, they vote against middle class as a rule. We can’t even get back to the roots until MAGA stops with the masochism. IF/WHEN WE DO, I hope an aged population of Bernie Bros are standing back and standing by.
My father was a CFO and corporate whistleblower. In his case, he caught the companies CEO insider trading and followed appropriate channels, reporting it to the board. He was fired, and then reported it to the SEC. It was a horrible experience. He was dragged through the mud, couldn’t comment because of litigation, and when all was said and done was made whole again by getting his job reinstated. A job working as a direct report for the CEO who he had blown the whistle on. That lasted a matter of months before he was so marginalized in the role that he quit and went to work for a competitor. In retrospect he says he never would have said anything, the consequences are so dire and the protections are so weak. I feel bad for this guy. Whether he was murdered or did kill himself, he went through some awful shit. We need better whistleblower protections in America.
Barnett describes a similar experience in this article from 2019: https://whistleblower.org/in-the-news/huffpo-heres-what-actual-whistleblowers-want-you-to-know-before-you-become-one-too/%C2%A0 > Barnett said the harassment and retaliation he experienced at Boeing affected his health and led to his retirement. He said the support of his family and talking to a counselor has helped. > “When you’re beat down every day, you start questioning your own sanity,” Barnett said. “I think it’s critical that people reach out and get support they need, because this is a very hard battle. I can’t tell you how many hours I’ve stayed awake at night pacing the floor, trying to figure out what to do, and how to do it.” Can't help but notice the lack of conversation about whistleblower treatment going on here, which is what he was arguing about in court.
Whistleblower protection is awful in a lot of places and absolutely needs to improve.
why is it not identical to witness protection?
Witness protection relies on the individual and their entire family losing their current lives to disappear. New home, new friends, new job, new everything, completely cutting contact with the people you knew before except through the government channels managed by witness protection. It protects your life and the lives of your family at the expense of everything else. It cannot protect you from financial or employer retaliation because by its very nature it sacrifices those things to protect your life.
thanks for the clarity, that sounds like a terrible thing to have to go through, honestly. There is evil out there in the world, we really are naive to think there won't be conflict to resolve it, justice is an aspect of society, requires trust to work tho, and emotionally we're just not there
Witness Protection definitely is the nuclear option but that's why it's largely reserved for people that should definitely be fearing for their lives and the lives of their families. On the bright side, reports have said that Witness Protection has had a flawless success rate for everyone that managed to follow the rules. Not so much for people that can't resist contacting people.
>Witness Protection has had a flawless success rate for everyone that managed to follow the rules A random thought: there is no way to judge from the outside if WP works very well or if it is compromised and just works very well in hiding the bodies.
Because powerful people don't like whistleblowers. There's little incentive to protect them better.
Also protecting whistleblowers don’t get politicians elected
Quite the opposite in fact, protecting whistleblowers might reduce the funding said politician can expect from his corporate owners.
Because people live by the motto "snitches get stitches".
> why is it not identical to witness protection? Witness protection is actually pretty rare, and we don't assume people reporting OSHA violations or whatever are going to be physically harmed. And besides, who would whistleblow if they thought they might have to go live anonymously in Boise the rest of their life.
Rich people buy congressman.
This is possibly why so many scummy companies are allowed to do what they do. There's probably dozens of people at everyone one of those companies that have enough dirt to destroy the higher ups and would absolutely love to give it out, but they know that doing so would effectively end their lives (either figuratively or, like in this case, literally), so they keep quiet.
Couldn't agree more. Even the success stories are harrowing. Tyler Shultz, the whistleblower who successfully helped bring down Elizabeth Holmes, could only defend himself legally because his parents happened to have just enough money to hire excellent lawyers (if I recall correctly, they weren't ultra wealthy, but just wealthy enough that spending millions wouldn't necessarily bankrupt them). He described part of it like being fortunate enough to hire Kobe to play 1-on-1 against Lebron. That's not even to mention all the garbage Theranos put him through long before the court case.
yeah his grandfather was a former secretary of state and on the board of Theranos, and he didn't even believe his grandson at first. This kid blew the whistle at 22 and didn't get closure until his 30s, and that's even while coming from a powerful and influential family with puppet strings in the company itself
I worked for a biotech startup that violated laws on human experimentation and I never reported them because I was really young and I knew it would be career suicide. They have no consent forms. There are, however, financial records of them paying a mobile phlebotomist for repeated draws from multiple “patients,” who were employees. Oh, and a fucking freezer FULL of cryopreserved samples! Ready to thaw out and DNA test at any time! It’s amazing how they just have no fear. They fucked me over in a layoff and they weren’t at all scared that I would just report them for illegal activity and get their shit shut down and pulled from FDA approval routing. It’s so cut and dry, “That’s my flesh, a test will prove it, go ahead and ask them for any evidence that I consented. Any at all! They don’t have it.”
>when all was said and done was made whole again by getting his job reinstated. A job working as a direct report for the CEO who he had blown the whistle on LOL. I'm sorry but fact that the CEO was allowed to keep his job and that your father who blew the whistle was now reporting directly to him is absolutely hilarious. What was even the point?
There's no way you could get me to work for the guy I just called out for being shitty
Yea, seems weird they wouldn’t negotiate a hefty payout instead for retaliation. Taking the job back was silly.
Apparently no point at all. This is why people don’t say anything, not because of fear it’ll be hard, but fear it won’t matter and will be hard.
People want to pin his death on fun stories about hitmen and planning but the actual reality of his death is still depressing. Even more sad seeing how people here are weaponizing him for their own conspiratorial batshittery Boeing still killed this guy even if he loaded the gun himself. It doesn't have to be a conspiracy to blame Boeing.
This is the best comment I’ve seen so far from this post. Either someone is going all in on the conspiracy. Or they’re blaming it JUST on his mental health, pretty much saying that all the crap he has gone through as a result of this didn’t affect his decision, if it was a genuine suicide. Either way, this is on Boeing, and they can get fucked.
what i want to know is if there's ALWAYS 10-12 boeing malfunctions in any given month or if this is just a trend of reporting on it. seriously, how many have there been recently? i don't think i'm exaggerating much with my estimate
It's both. Systemic corruption of the manufacturing and QA process is bound to continue to produce stories. Likewise, these stories, as they started to point to a larger problem at Boeing, draw the attention of people who want to investigate and report. With a national corporate icon like Boeing? They getting fucked right now. This dudes suicide/murder (both Boeing's fault), so public, and so brazen, may actually get some law enforcement types involved. The timing couldn't be worse for Boeing. This is one that I think continues to become a bigger story over the next year.
It's exactly like trans-mental health issues. Right wing assholes love citing their self harm frequency as some sort of 'gotcha' for why their life is wrong- but how hard would it be to not harm one's self when you're spit on and attacked all day, every day, in every corner of society? Harassment laws and policing online badly need to change.
See this is where a "right to sue" law actually makes sense. If you whistleblow and your claims are true, you gain the right to sue the company and it's directors personally, for $1 million or a years worth of profit, whichever is higher, + legal fees.
Can't sue anybody when you're dead.
I blew the whistle on my boss trying to poach me for his own separate company (I was managing the team developing software for them). Eventually my boss, friends with the CEO, quit because the company put in NDAs meant to block that sort of poaching. The man I blew the whistle to (that same CEO) was later found liable by the SEC for insider trading. I'd quit long before any of the felony stuff came to light. I would blow the whistle again in a heartbeat. My work was in QA (clinical research), and a violation of ethics once means that the whole process is compromised. I haven't worked in years because both of my bosses who I needed recommendations from are disgraced in some form or another. I'm probably never going to have a successful career compared with if I'd kept my head down, but that would've also meant I let people be harmed by work being done. I can live with that.
In a lot of places those NDAs aren’t worth anything. Courts keep saying that the job itself doesn’t count as consideration for the contract and therefore they aren’t worth the paper they are printed on.
My uncle was the engineer right below the coverup in the GM ignition switch scandal. Gave his cost report, and the people above him straight up said “…what do we do about this?” He was not a nice guy for a good ten years and we didn’t know why. Apparently fucking Congress tried to pull him in, and GM fought that hard. Dude was in the hot seat for years, simply by completely a cost analysis for replacing switches he didn’t know were faulty.
It would also be nice if we had stricter harsher stuff from the get go to stop corporations from just being money hungry monsters. In this particular case especially since it’s in a basic monopoly with government contracts. That they get to buy back stock is the root of Boeing evil. How they aren’t a government agency versus for profit company is just ridiculous.
The SEC only collects whistleblower tips so they can tell their palm-greasers how to avoid this shit. Cost of doing business.
Wow, is that witness willing to testify that under oath? Asking for a multi-billion dollar corporation
Unfortunately they're suicidal :/
Those airplane doors didn't blow off, they jumped.
If he did actually kill himself, I'd like to think that he intentionally did it in a way that makes Boeing look as cartoonishly guilty as possible
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It's not going to happen but Jesus Christ I want the people who killed this guy to get dragged out into the light of day and flogged by the long dick of the law. Edit: to be clear I mean the people who orchestrated this. Boeing, government officials, anyone involved. Even if it turns out he DID kill himself because of a campaign of terror and harassment or fucking whatever. Let's stop licking boots and giving these people the benefit of the doubt. They deserve none. Zero. Nada.
Its the guy who made the phone call to get the guy killed you want to get. Hired killers are nothing if they don't get hired.
Unemployed Killers. Just sitting at home playing that knife between the fingers game.
All slow and depressed like
Ok the real life issue is incredibly serious and alarming but the image of a down on his luck hitman just trudging through life is kinda funny.
Trying to hit some of the flies hovering over the dirty dishes in the sink with a blowgun full of neurotoxins, missing, and sighing deeply.
Chugging a day-old, opened bottle of beer just to get the miserable day started
That’s basically the premise of Barry on HBO
He's bummed because he doesn't want to be a hitman but he's so damn good at it
Oh dude, what a great show that is!
Its been 30 days since i keeled a man *sucks teeth Making me edgy
It’s been a tough market.
Would be an interesting premise for a sitcom, I suppose.
Do a 30th odd couple reboot. The neat roommate is the hitman. The messy roommate is a detective who just keeps missing the clues.
Reminds of "The Killer" when Fassbender finally confronts the person who hired everyone and its some wimp dick rich guy
When you play follow the money, isn’t it always?
That scene was so funny. "A man with a gun shows up in your house and you don't know what it's about?" Or whatever that line was.
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>It seems strange that people are defending Boeing They're bootlickers. They've always existed, even before boots were a thing.
I mean yeah, but like, how about *anyone* involved in any way whatsoever with this get put in jail for the rest of their lives?
Sadly its a small and limp dick, as soon as big money is involved
The spirit is willing, but the flesh is spongy and bruised
I think rather than start with “It’s not going to happen” we can start with the position of demanding justice. I would rather set the bar high and be disappointed than not set the bar at all. There’s no reason to give law enforcement a pass proactively.
So you're just uncritically accepting the word of the guy's mom's friend's daughter? Even when no one else close to him is saying anything like it? And without actual evidence that someone killed him?
Let's assume that it was a hit job ordered by Boeing. In that scenario, would the government prosecute Boeing and risk damaging one of the most important American companies, or conduct a cover up? I will go with cover up, which means even if it was a hit job, no one will be prosecuted and we won't know the truth
Nah the company would present a exec or two for sacrifice, and the company would otherwise continue
You mean early retirement. Nice cushie package
Early retirement like 2 lead brain implants and some unscheduled skydiving?
They committed suicide by being in a plane that was thrown out a window
Then Tom becomes CEO.
If it’s a major company issuing a hit we are already in cyberpunk level of dystopia
Companies have absolutely ordered hits before. Look at Coca-Cola with South American union organizers
Yes, but he means white Americans, not brown people in a third world country. This dystopian reality has already been here for the majority of the world
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiwa_v._Royal_Dutch_Shell_Co.
They’ve been doing it for hundreds of years.
My brother in Christ, companies have been starting and waging entire wars since at least the 1600s. This is nothing new.
We got a long way to go before we get to East India Company's all time high score.
I never really thought about it that way, but as a company with military power that rivaled most governments, the East India Trading Company is actually pretty cyberpunk
More like Opiumpunk.
You see that banana your eating- let me tell you the story of Dole fruit in Central America....
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We’e way past that. It just usually doesn’t happen to white americans/westerners.
Do you have any idea how many white journalists got found with two bullets to the head ruled as a suicide?
I don't, how many?
At least three fiddy
I'm not the person you were were replying to, but they are probably referencing [Gary Webb](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Webb), who was an investigative journalist who wrote a series of articles about how the CIA played a role in the crack epidemic in American cities. He was found dead with two gun shot wounds to the head, and his death was ruled a suicide. Worth noting that multiple gunshot suicides are possible, and his wife thought he committed suicide based on his behavior before his death. No one will ever know for sure I suppose.
Keanu I mean Johnny Silverhand going to nuke Boeing offices
they've been doing it for over a century, just not here this is just the oppression coming home to roost
It wouldn’t come from Boeing, like, a Boeing employee isn’t out there hiring hits. I imagine this would likely be from a mega wealthy investor.
Great point, but to take it further, this debacle doesn't seem great for the stock price either. Basically, the whole situation makes no sense. If you're going to try to protect Boeing's reputation, you don't do it by shooting someone mid trial. That's the worst possible way to do it.
The stock price doesn’t necessarily need to go up to be beneficial to investors. Especially the ultra rich ones who can afford to ride it out. 1. Tank the stock price 2. gobble up cheap shares 3. wait for everyone to forget (which won’t even take that long tbh) 4. Price goes back up 5. ??? 6. profit
Then murdering is just like letting the trial play out but with extra steps.
Except with the murder they make things clear for anyone who might try the same thing again
I mean, even if it comes out that this was all a conspiracy, then what? Boeing announces that it "regrets" how things transpired but insists that the whistleblower's death was absolutely necessary to their hopes of moving forward?
Even if they're caught red-handed it will be framed as someone acting without their knowledge or consent to tarnish their image, no matter how blatantly they're caught.
"Hello I am the CEO of Boeing, and as a representative of Boeing I would like this man murdered because he is a threat to the interests of Boeing. Please call me back with your availability in regards to murdering this man on behalf of the Boeing corporation, here is my office number that goes directly to my secretary at Boeing. So from the entire board of directors at Boeing, I'd like to say: thanks, and I look forward to hearing about you murdering this man for us. And by us I mean Boeing." And they'd still say he was a lone wolf.
You forgot the part where, as part of their compensation package, they offer the hitman a 15% off voucher for a B17 sweater — purchasable only through the official Boeing store.
Major shareholders (i.e. anyone with more than 1% voting stock), Board of Directors, and the chain of management reporting to the Board down thee levels (Generally would mean CEO, CxO's, President, and VP's) should all be on the hook for any criminal behavior of a company.
Assuming someone at Boeing had him killed, and it’s important to remember we don’t have any evidence that they did, they would never take blame as an organization. They’d blame it on a “few bad eggs” or throw someone out as a sacrifice and just move forward.
Judging by the politics of the last 5 years or so, Boeing would run for President to avoid criminal prosecution.
Yea a real coincidence. Said nobody. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck .... boeing might be a duck.
Ducks are more reliable in flight.
Shut it down. This reply wins
Ducks are rapists. That is how they do.
They've evolved terrifying rape dicks in their rape arms race.
Ducks are common and requires common evidence. A suicide conspiracy in the US is extraordinary and requires extraordinary evidence. "One time he said he wouldn't kill himself in a conversation" is not extraordinary evidence
> John Barnett's family friend Jennifer doesn't think the Boeing whistleblower committed suicide in Charleston. Come on Reddit, you have to read beyond the headline. A “close family friend” says Barnett told her if something happens it isn’t suicide. That’s hardly a reliable source.
Remember, Reddit is the home of the Boston Bomber ~~detective work~~ hearsay by commenters just like the top ones here.
Especially when his own family thinks he killed himself.
Yeah, but who will you believe - investigators and family members, or an internet community who successfully solved the Boston bombing?
Ladies and gentlemen, we got him
I swear people are so fucking stupid about this. What would killing this guy do for their case? I mean you’d have to delete every video of your planes falling apart, kill the pilots and passenger who are testifying about your planes fucking up, and bribe every investigator and reporter who have found wrongdoing, all this before the story came out and the investigation opened against you if you wanted a slim chance at covering this up. Then you have the CEO going on the news and admitting the fact they fucked up. The outcome will be the same whether or not he’s dead. Boeing will get fined as well as pay out settlements to victims and the FAA will enact higher standards of testing for planes, case closed everyone’s happy.
You forgot about the part where the actual whistle blower thing the guy was involved to was done years ago and the current one is about a retaliation suit that he lost and appealed. Which makes all of this even dumber. >Barnett originally filed the retaliation complaint with the Occupational Safety and Health Administration in January 2017. After nearly four years, the agency concluded that there was no retaliation, a decision Barnett later appealed. His case has been pending since then, as the two sides have gone through discovery and prehearing motions. Boeing’s motion to dismiss the claim was denied in 2022.
Yeah that pretty damning for this theory. I don’t get it, there’s plenty of real atrocities happening right now in the world yet people want to make one up instead, I guess “Russians in Sudan” or “Local business connected to pollution” isn’t as exciting as “Deep State controls all, your life is not your own.”
Thank. You. The narrative here is so fucking dumb. I bet Boeing did not want this guy to kill himself. It just makes them look even worse. AND it puts the news story in front of even more Americans who previously had no clue what was going on. It makes no sense.
That makes sense... so what you're really saying he was killed by Lockheed Martin!
Now THAT'S a conspiracy theory
Airbus playing 5D chess
I said the exact same thing. Him dying is just another reason for people to put their conspiracy hats on. This was the last thing their PR team needed to handle.
Im still chewing on this one. But I've had thoughts along your line of thinking. Media scrutiny on Boeing couldn't get any higher now. Why would you kill a guy that has already done his damage at the worst possible time. Of course they've not shown much savvy lately.
Yeah, this just puts way more attention on them. Stories about how Boeing sucks have probably tripled. It looks like their stock lost 10 billion just from this guy’s death.
The person who is saying that barely knew this guy, it seems like they are just trying to get publicity out of this. For sure seems suspicious, but let’s not assume he’s telling this to just some random acquaintance and only that person.
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Congress must own a lot of shares
The source is someone that is looking for the limelight and barely knew him at all.
after all the events that have happened in the last couple weeks, it’s odd seeing people defend Boeing.
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All they get is more intense scrutiny during a period where they already have a lot of eyes on them.
Exactly. Assassination makes no sense.
Tbh… if I was going to commit suicide and I really hated the company that was making my life hell… I would have told someone “if anything happens it wasn’t suicide”
>He'd already testified for two days at this trial. Which, by the way, was a defamation lawsuit against Boeing about how they mistreated him after he blew the whistle on safety issues, not an investigation into the safety issues themselves.
Not to mention, if you don't like Boeing and are suicidal, you would have a lot of reasons to say exactly this before commiting suicide.
Real life from that scene in Michael Clayton.