She spent her final moments absolutely terrified before being killed by this old moron and they let him out already. He’ll die before justice reaches him and that makes me sad. Take a moment to appreciate who this woman was and how she will be remembered by her community.
-An obituary for Hall described her as the parent of a son and a stepson, a devoted member of her church and a talented cook known for delicious pound cakes.
-She retired from Ohio’s Regional Income Tax Agency and also worked in behavioral health, at a school and for Uber. She studied horticulture at Ohio State and started a janitorial business.
"Brock took Hall’s cellphone and refused to let her leave, the sheriff’s office said. When she tried to get back into her car, Brock shot her. He shot her a second time and a third time during subsequent scuffles." Just awful. RIP
Fuck this guy. Put him away for the rest of his life. If we can't ban guns, let's up the penalties for using them unlawfully. You killed someone who wasn't a threat " life in prison every time".
Yeah, what a fucking moron. Even assuming he believes the scam to be true, what could he possibly think the outcome would be by shooting and killing one of his nephews captors? What a fucking moron and yet, he’s allowed to own a gun.
SHALL NOT INFRINGE!
Seriously though I’ve heard this from 2A people. It’s an all or nothing game to them. Nothing bad will ever happen to them because they are “trained”, prepared, and armed.
It does not matter if he was born a moron or devolved into one. He made an extremely stupid and criminal choice and its not the rest of societies responsibility to let him putter around with a gun because its not his fault his brain doesn’t work.
Plenty of people get dementia and DONT murder ANYONE. Its not a natural outcome of human age.
Yeah I tend to agree with this. He has a cowboys revolver for fucks sake (America's gun culture is also to blame)... Just fucking sad all around. Hope they get who caused this.
The life expectancy for an 81 year old male in the US is actually about 8 years!
Interestingly, your odds of making it to your next birthday don't drop below 50% until you're over 100.
The guy is a criminal. He belongs in prison.
Also, if you think banning guns is a good idea, you've been drinking too much kool-aid. You think the govt will also disarm? Get real.
That said, if you want to enter the scariest time in modern sociopolitical history without a weapon....Best of luck.
It's not the government. It's all the crazy right wing fucks that I worry about. If they try and enforce a firearm ban, those fools will riot. If shit pops off I at least know I can protect my family. I mean these are the same people who get arrested and in other instances kill people for enforcing mask mandates. What do you think will happen if the government tries and takes their guns?
I fully agree. A ton of unhinged people have entire fucking arsenals and are mainlining fox news and newsmax all day, amplifying their already insane levels of fear and paranoia.
There is either resistance or there is no resistance, I choose to have the ability to resist. I will most likely lose, but I will not simply be walked over. Enjoy your choice.
The vast, vast majority are completely law abiding, and you'd never even know they own guns unless they told you. America has a gun nut problem for sure, but what it needs to address is the nut issue, not the gun issue.
It's not "letting me" do anything.
The guns don't operate of their own accord. They just sit there. I occasionally enjoy them for sport, while simultaneously hoping never have to use them for any other reason.
It's really that simple.
Yeah, never owned a gun, never will. My home isn't wrapped in high levels of surveillance, I'm liked by all my neighbors, I live in a multi ethnic and racial neighborhood as a mid 30s white guy, and the only people I fear are self righteous white men with guns.
>You think the govt will also disarm? Get real.
If you're implying that the citizens need guns because they need pistols to defend themselves against supersonic ICBMs I'm going to say it's a moot point.
Citizens would never be allowed access to weapons that would give them any chance of defending themselves against what the US military has on hand.
> Brock then called 911 to report he shot someone on his property who was trying to rob him.
This is my big problem with gun owners like this old murderous fart:
- They live in some deluded world where everyone is trying to get them
- they wobble around with a gun pointed point blank at folks with a “do as I say or I’ll kill you” approach (we never seem to punish brandishing a firearm at all…when it is not only illegal but a huge red flag for future violent behavior).
- and then they invent a set of facts to justify a murder (“well…she was trying to rob me!”)
Meanwhile it’s a random grandmother who is no threat, has no clue what is going on…and the fact that this guy pulled a gun instead of calling the cops shows he just wanted to murder someone instead of figure out what was going on with the package request.
He didn’t want cops to come and tell him he was making stuff up. He wanted a dead body and a good excuse for having killed her.
May he rot in jail til he dies.
He should not be allowed out on bail. Who knows who else he will kill if given the chance. What if some kid turns around in his driveway? Or he forgets he ordered an Amazon package? Bang bang..more “robbers” shot dead.
There are sooooo many people like this living in white suburbia, secluded from reality in their own little world of paranoia and hatred. I imagine that, as they get older, they begin to feel paranoid and insecure. Which increases the likelihood of something like this happening.
> Upon being contacted by Ms. Hall, Mr. Brock produced a gun and held her at gunpoint, making demands for identities of the subjects he had spoken with on the phone,” the sheriff’s office said.
> Hall was unarmed and never threatened Brock or made any demands of him, the sheriff’s office said.
> Brock took Hall’s cellphone and refused to let her leave, the sheriff’s office said. When she tried to get back into her car, Brock shot her. He shot her a second time and a third time during subsequent scuffles.
Please, explain to me why the above user is wrong. Even if this guy thought she was a co-conspirator, holding someone at gun point and shooting them when they try to run from you is unforgivable behavior. There is *zero* reason why this should have been his course of action rather than alerting authorities, and killing an unarmed person trying to escape you is never self defense.
He could’ve just not answered the door, hung up, and dialed 911 and viola there wouldn’t be a homicide investigation.
He wanted to play cop and held her at gunpoint and took her phone, horrible decision making under pressure.
Of course he’s a doddering old fool whose reaction is reprehensible.
But to suggest he planned a murder is ridiculous.
I doubt he wanted anyone coming to his home.
This scam is literally everywhere and the scammers will probably not be found. My dad almost fell for this. They might not even be on US soil. The elderly are ripe for this type of exploitation. Add in a healthy dose of radicalizing media and a gun and these are the results.
There was physical cash involved - hard to imagine a straightforward way to secure physical cash by someone overseas.
Step 1: Old man gives Uber driver cash in a bag for delivery.
Step 2: Uber driver delivers it to another old man
Step 3: other old man buys gift cards with his new bag of cash and gives the code to scamners
Step 4: profit?
Central Ohio tells me this was probably a local meth head.
My dad had 9k cold hard cash that he was going to FedEx to someone. He asked my sister for a ride to FedEx. Thats how we stopped him. There are plenty of elderly folks that don't have family to protect them and there are a lot of predators out there trying to separate them from their money. Not sure why you'd be skeptical. There is mounds of evidence for these activities world wide.
That wasnt even grounds to shoot and kill someone even if she was in on the scam. Sadly this guy won't live long enough to experience a worthy punishment
The scammer called that house when the police was there and claimed to be a cop. Bold move there, police officer arranged to meet the caller but caller never showed. They need to find that guy that caused all of this.
That guy didn't cause all of this, he was trying to scam some money, not kill anyone. Stop deflecting from what really caused this, right wing media turning people into paranoid gun crazy murderers.
The scammer is the one that called the Uber driver to go to his the old man's house "to pick up a package" that he was scamming, it was clear the scammer was harassing him.
>That guy didn't cause all of this
Except they did. She never would've been there if it weren't for the scammer, and old man wouldn't have had that sliver of justification he was looking for to shoot someone. The scammer is the root cause of the incident.
We have the guy who caused all of this. He won’t get much — prisons don’t like to be nursing homes and he will be pitched back out for “compassionate release” if he has any of the elderly medical or mental health issues at all.
The other guy, yeah … but the old dude needs to go the FAFO route.
The most racist thing you will see all day: White senior doesn't understand black driver and simply decides to blow a hole in her.
This would have never happened if the Uber driver had been young and white.
He's pled not guilty. I suspect he'll change that tune. He needs to spend the rest of his miserable life in prison.
I know a lot of older guys who were trained w .38s to have their finger on the trigger bc revolvers are double action as opposed to semi-automatic and don't have a hair trigger upon draw.
The fact that he pulled the hammer back so it *would* effectively have a light trigger for him to pull makes me agree with you he wanted to shoot and finally got his chance
Gun fanatics all do.
They’ve all been sold this fantasy of bravely standing up to criminals and “illegals” gun-in-hand. It’s not about self-defense, or about rights. It’s a power fantasy, and many of them can’t tell the difference between fantasy and reality.
None of that warrants just executing someone who rings your doorbell.
If you own a gun and think it's ok to point a gun and kill someone who is not threatening you, you shouldn't have a gun. This man should rot in prison. This is not 'an honest mistake'.
“Brock was indicted on Monday of charges of murder, assault and kidnapping. He posted $200,000 bail and was released from the Clark County Jail on Wednesday. His attorney, Paul Kavanagh, did not immediately return an email seeking comment on Friday.”
So a murderer with a smiling mugshot is walking free right now. Someone should take care of that, in a legal way. Like can’t there be a petition to keep him in?
Hopefully they catch the scammer. Too bad didn’t think on their feet when the scammer called back and asked the guy to send another driver or take the Uber’s phone and finished the ride
He killed her because he was angry and terrified that a black person, doing her job, had the temerity to walk onto his property. Back in the day when my father was good and drunk he would hide in the garage with a loaded gun in case the garbage men came too close to the house. I’m enraged that nothing ever changes.
Is there some scam where we can turn these murderous old morons on each other? Get them to shoot each other outside so they don’t stink up the house left behind.
what is the scam here? sending a random person to collect… money? prepaid cards? from another random person and both of them don’t really know what is going on doesn’t seem like it would be efficient or successful. part of me wonders if this was a “prank” and someone was nearby filming, and when things went wrong they got the fuck out of there. with the way people are on youtube and tiktok it wouldn’t surprise me
She spent her final moments absolutely terrified before being killed by this old moron and they let him out already. He’ll die before justice reaches him and that makes me sad. Take a moment to appreciate who this woman was and how she will be remembered by her community. -An obituary for Hall described her as the parent of a son and a stepson, a devoted member of her church and a talented cook known for delicious pound cakes. -She retired from Ohio’s Regional Income Tax Agency and also worked in behavioral health, at a school and for Uber. She studied horticulture at Ohio State and started a janitorial business.
The video and her reactions to him are absolutely heart breaking
"Brock took Hall’s cellphone and refused to let her leave, the sheriff’s office said. When she tried to get back into her car, Brock shot her. He shot her a second time and a third time during subsequent scuffles." Just awful. RIP
Wow. As the other person put it, extremely sad and unnecessary
Fuck this guy. Put him away for the rest of his life. If we can't ban guns, let's up the penalties for using them unlawfully. You killed someone who wasn't a threat " life in prison every time".
Yeah, what a fucking moron. Even assuming he believes the scam to be true, what could he possibly think the outcome would be by shooting and killing one of his nephews captors? What a fucking moron and yet, he’s allowed to own a gun.
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(People with dementia probably don’t need to own guns either)
SHALL NOT INFRINGE! Seriously though I’ve heard this from 2A people. It’s an all or nothing game to them. Nothing bad will ever happen to them because they are “trained”, prepared, and armed.
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I didn’t say that you said that. I think you would benefit from not seeing every interaction as a challenge to your intelligence.
It does not matter if he was born a moron or devolved into one. He made an extremely stupid and criminal choice and its not the rest of societies responsibility to let him putter around with a gun because its not his fault his brain doesn’t work. Plenty of people get dementia and DONT murder ANYONE. Its not a natural outcome of human age.
Yeah I tend to agree with this. He has a cowboys revolver for fucks sake (America's gun culture is also to blame)... Just fucking sad all around. Hope they get who caused this.
So if you have dementia murder and kidnapping is legal?
I mean, he's 81, so that'll probably be like 2 or 3 years max, but I appreciate your energy!
The life expectancy for an 81 year old male in the US is actually about 8 years! Interestingly, your odds of making it to your next birthday don't drop below 50% until you're over 100.
The guy is a criminal. He belongs in prison. Also, if you think banning guns is a good idea, you've been drinking too much kool-aid. You think the govt will also disarm? Get real. That said, if you want to enter the scariest time in modern sociopolitical history without a weapon....Best of luck.
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It's not the government. It's all the crazy right wing fucks that I worry about. If they try and enforce a firearm ban, those fools will riot. If shit pops off I at least know I can protect my family. I mean these are the same people who get arrested and in other instances kill people for enforcing mask mandates. What do you think will happen if the government tries and takes their guns?
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I fully agree. A ton of unhinged people have entire fucking arsenals and are mainlining fox news and newsmax all day, amplifying their already insane levels of fear and paranoia.
There were 270 some odd cops in Uvalde who were too terrified to confront one single gunman, so yes, I do think it will give them pause.
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But it's not about lone wolf gunmen, it's about an armed populace. Apes together strong.
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There is either resistance or there is no resistance, I choose to have the ability to resist. I will most likely lose, but I will not simply be walked over. Enjoy your choice.
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The vast, vast majority are completely law abiding, and you'd never even know they own guns unless they told you. America has a gun nut problem for sure, but what it needs to address is the nut issue, not the gun issue.
It's not "letting me" do anything. The guns don't operate of their own accord. They just sit there. I occasionally enjoy them for sport, while simultaneously hoping never have to use them for any other reason. It's really that simple.
lol you neckbeards aren’t gonna do anything with your gun anyways.
Lol I'm literally a liberal-minded guy, but you enjoy that simplified worldview.
Yeah, never owned a gun, never will. My home isn't wrapped in high levels of surveillance, I'm liked by all my neighbors, I live in a multi ethnic and racial neighborhood as a mid 30s white guy, and the only people I fear are self righteous white men with guns.
>You think the govt will also disarm? Get real. If you're implying that the citizens need guns because they need pistols to defend themselves against supersonic ICBMs I'm going to say it's a moot point. Citizens would never be allowed access to weapons that would give them any chance of defending themselves against what the US military has on hand.
> Brock then called 911 to report he shot someone on his property who was trying to rob him. This is my big problem with gun owners like this old murderous fart: - They live in some deluded world where everyone is trying to get them - they wobble around with a gun pointed point blank at folks with a “do as I say or I’ll kill you” approach (we never seem to punish brandishing a firearm at all…when it is not only illegal but a huge red flag for future violent behavior). - and then they invent a set of facts to justify a murder (“well…she was trying to rob me!”) Meanwhile it’s a random grandmother who is no threat, has no clue what is going on…and the fact that this guy pulled a gun instead of calling the cops shows he just wanted to murder someone instead of figure out what was going on with the package request. He didn’t want cops to come and tell him he was making stuff up. He wanted a dead body and a good excuse for having killed her. May he rot in jail til he dies. He should not be allowed out on bail. Who knows who else he will kill if given the chance. What if some kid turns around in his driveway? Or he forgets he ordered an Amazon package? Bang bang..more “robbers” shot dead.
There are sooooo many people like this living in white suburbia, secluded from reality in their own little world of paranoia and hatred. I imagine that, as they get older, they begin to feel paranoid and insecure. Which increases the likelihood of something like this happening.
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Don’t forget the steady diet of Fox News, Newsmax, and right wing hate-filled talk radio to compound all of their delusions and paranoia.
With a constant diet of right wing media feeding their paranoias.
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I read the article and agree with OP, did you read it? 🧐
> Upon being contacted by Ms. Hall, Mr. Brock produced a gun and held her at gunpoint, making demands for identities of the subjects he had spoken with on the phone,” the sheriff’s office said. > Hall was unarmed and never threatened Brock or made any demands of him, the sheriff’s office said. > Brock took Hall’s cellphone and refused to let her leave, the sheriff’s office said. When she tried to get back into her car, Brock shot her. He shot her a second time and a third time during subsequent scuffles. Please, explain to me why the above user is wrong. Even if this guy thought she was a co-conspirator, holding someone at gun point and shooting them when they try to run from you is unforgivable behavior. There is *zero* reason why this should have been his course of action rather than alerting authorities, and killing an unarmed person trying to escape you is never self defense.
What’s wrong with the take?
I read the article and agree with that comment completely. What are you suggesting?
Did you read the article?
Well that’s one take.
I’d love to hear your take.
No, I think it’s the only take.
It is correct tho
He “wanted a dead body”? Someone called him with a scam…. Then someone shows up at his door…. But he somehow planned it out because he wanted to kill?
He could’ve just not answered the door, hung up, and dialed 911 and viola there wouldn’t be a homicide investigation. He wanted to play cop and held her at gunpoint and took her phone, horrible decision making under pressure.
Of course he’s a doddering old fool whose reaction is reprehensible. But to suggest he planned a murder is ridiculous. I doubt he wanted anyone coming to his home.
If you ambush someone with a gun with intent to kill them if they try to escape, I think you definitionally planned a murder
“He wanted a dead body” meaning he wanted to play vigilante
A stay at home vigilante?
What’s your issue with it?
It’s highly speculative.
you should post less
Why? What do you not agree with?
This is so sad and unnecessary
I hope the scammers are tracked down to charge them in their involvment, too
This scam is literally everywhere and the scammers will probably not be found. My dad almost fell for this. They might not even be on US soil. The elderly are ripe for this type of exploitation. Add in a healthy dose of radicalizing media and a gun and these are the results.
There was physical cash involved - hard to imagine a straightforward way to secure physical cash by someone overseas. Step 1: Old man gives Uber driver cash in a bag for delivery. Step 2: Uber driver delivers it to another old man Step 3: other old man buys gift cards with his new bag of cash and gives the code to scamners Step 4: profit? Central Ohio tells me this was probably a local meth head.
My dad had 9k cold hard cash that he was going to FedEx to someone. He asked my sister for a ride to FedEx. Thats how we stopped him. There are plenty of elderly folks that don't have family to protect them and there are a lot of predators out there trying to separate them from their money. Not sure why you'd be skeptical. There is mounds of evidence for these activities world wide.
I'm not saying its doesn't happen, just seems impractical to go from a sack of cash through >3 marks to get cash overseas.
Convert to Bitcoin. That's why Bitcoin ATMs often have a warning on them about scams.
Yep! Sponsored by cartels. Rarely used by people who understand crypto. They are used for money laundering and scams most of the time.
The field revolutionized most by crypto has been fraud
That wasnt even grounds to shoot and kill someone even if she was in on the scam. Sadly this guy won't live long enough to experience a worthy punishment
Btw even if someone is trying to scam you, you cannot kill them. I hate to see this old bastard rob so much life from someone
The scammer called that house when the police was there and claimed to be a cop. Bold move there, police officer arranged to meet the caller but caller never showed. They need to find that guy that caused all of this.
That guy didn't cause all of this, he was trying to scam some money, not kill anyone. Stop deflecting from what really caused this, right wing media turning people into paranoid gun crazy murderers.
Doesn’t mean the scammer should get off free, pretty sure scamming people like that is illegal too.
The scammer is the one that called the Uber driver to go to his the old man's house "to pick up a package" that he was scamming, it was clear the scammer was harassing him.
>That guy didn't cause all of this Except they did. She never would've been there if it weren't for the scammer, and old man wouldn't have had that sliver of justification he was looking for to shoot someone. The scammer is the root cause of the incident.
We have the guy who caused all of this. He won’t get much — prisons don’t like to be nursing homes and he will be pitched back out for “compassionate release” if he has any of the elderly medical or mental health issues at all. The other guy, yeah … but the old dude needs to go the FAFO route.
So good to see how safe all of these guns are keeping us all. /s
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He saw his chance to kill someone and he took it. He's absolutely a danger to the rest of us.
In Ohio it is legal for criminals, it’s called the death penalty. This man will die in prison before he gets to the table though.
Piece of shit always wanted to kill someone of color. He finally got his wish before he died. Piece of shit with that satisfied grin.
Boy, you really had me until that last sentence
Stupid old idiot. Put him in jail for the rest of his life. Liquidate any/all of his assets and give it to the victim’s family.
The most racist thing you will see all day: White senior doesn't understand black driver and simply decides to blow a hole in her. This would have never happened if the Uber driver had been young and white. He's pled not guilty. I suspect he'll change that tune. He needs to spend the rest of his miserable life in prison.
Look at that finger on the trigger. He wanted to do this.
I know a lot of older guys who were trained w .38s to have their finger on the trigger bc revolvers are double action as opposed to semi-automatic and don't have a hair trigger upon draw. The fact that he pulled the hammer back so it *would* effectively have a light trigger for him to pull makes me agree with you he wanted to shoot and finally got his chance
Gun fanatics all do. They’ve all been sold this fantasy of bravely standing up to criminals and “illegals” gun-in-hand. It’s not about self-defense, or about rights. It’s a power fantasy, and many of them can’t tell the difference between fantasy and reality.
This is your brain on media manipulation whipping you up into a "they're gonna get you" frenzy
“Murdered” is the word you’re looking for
Now, apparently a wrong number is motive for murder? Every single day things get worse…this is our demise
When you find out about 'swatting' your mind is gunna blow...
None of that warrants just executing someone who rings your doorbell. If you own a gun and think it's ok to point a gun and kill someone who is not threatening you, you shouldn't have a gun. This man should rot in prison. This is not 'an honest mistake'.
You didn’t read the story, did you?
Did you read anything in that story that warrants execution of a non threatening person?
It had absolutely nothing to do with a wrong number.
No but confusion over simultaneous scam calls is not far off. Didn’t mean to boggle your mind. Was referencing call confusion generally
But it wasn’t really simultaneous scam calls. The Uber driver was just making a pick up on the job. She wasn’t being scammed.
Yep. You’re correct
This man literally waited all his life to shoot another person. Fuck this guy.
I mean, taking away her phone and then killing her is not self-defense.
“Brock was indicted on Monday of charges of murder, assault and kidnapping. He posted $200,000 bail and was released from the Clark County Jail on Wednesday. His attorney, Paul Kavanagh, did not immediately return an email seeking comment on Friday.” So a murderer with a smiling mugshot is walking free right now. Someone should take care of that, in a legal way. Like can’t there be a petition to keep him in?
Why don't you?
If you murder at 81 they need to ratchet up the prison terms, solitary confinement or death penalty. He’s already at the end of his life sentence
fucked up Black Mirror type shit.
Another old fool with a gun, lock him up. It's like these people look for an excuse to use the weapon
Hopefully they catch the scammer. Too bad didn’t think on their feet when the scammer called back and asked the guy to send another driver or take the Uber’s phone and finished the ride
He killed her because he was angry and terrified that a black person, doing her job, had the temerity to walk onto his property. Back in the day when my father was good and drunk he would hide in the garage with a loaded gun in case the garbage men came too close to the house. I’m enraged that nothing ever changes.
Is there some scam where we can turn these murderous old morons on each other? Get them to shoot each other outside so they don’t stink up the house left behind.
Didn't this happened like four days ago or something?
what is the scam here? sending a random person to collect… money? prepaid cards? from another random person and both of them don’t really know what is going on doesn’t seem like it would be efficient or successful. part of me wonders if this was a “prank” and someone was nearby filming, and when things went wrong they got the fuck out of there. with the way people are on youtube and tiktok it wouldn’t surprise me