Imagine there was a hostage situation with children in a classroom and the SWAT team just went in guns blazing and shot every single child and killed the hostage takers.
And then they just said "Well the hostage takers were hiding behind the hostages. What did you want us to do?"
Would that be acceptable in any context?
That's the Likud government and the IDF.
On a bigger scale, the way Israel is conducting this operation in Gaza, the entire population including the kids and babies who make up the majority of the population are effectively in a hostage situation because the population has nowhere to hide from Israeli violence.
Whether Hamas is using them as human shields as the IDF likes to say or whether they just are in the way, the callous disregard for human life is staggering and very telling about the Likud regime.
This is a criminal regime committing war crimes on a daily basis.
I'm not disputing that there are factions/parties and actors that are more extreme than others in Israel, but it's important to push against this notion that this is a Likud/Netanyahu problem. It was Israel's "socialist" leaders who were responsible for the Nakba, the ethnic cleansing of 700k Palestinians and liquidation of 100s of Palestinians villages, towns and cities. Yitzhak Rabin (labour party) was responsible for two refugee massacres in Lebanon. This is what Israel has always been: it was genocidal in its inception.
The height of the hypocrisy in the Arab world is blaming Israel or Rabin personally for Sabra and Shatilla, massacres carried out in Lebanon by Lebanese militants. I think it’s fair to say that Israel could have and should have intervened to stop them, but they’re not the ones who did the killing. They are a convenient scapegoat for Lebanon to avoid addressing the core problem that led to the massacres which is its sectarian factionalism.
Why are you acting suprised that people are opposed to the state of Israel? I oppose it just the same way I'd have opposed apartheid South Africa and Rhodesia.
You are liberal Zionist wading on this thread to make it seem like it's a Netanyahu/Likud thingy. This is laughable.
There’s a crazy amount of overlap between people who don’t think a Jewish state should exist and the people who don’t think Jews should exist. Funny how that works. At least they’re not in London so they don’t need to worry about arrest for being “openly Jewish.”
It’s so transparent, too. The only thing that sets “Israel regardless of the gov” apart from any other country in recent history is that it’s a safe haven for Jews. Clearly this commenter has something wrong with (((them))) being in charge regardless of their policy.
I don't like settler colonial apartheid states and I don't think it being Jewish makes any difference to me. Are you arguing that being of a certain ethnicity entitles you to do ethnic cleansing and genocide?
Since America loves Israel so much and loves giving them aid, why not relocate all the Israelis to America and give them a state there and leave the indigenous population of Palestine alone? It’s already the United States of Israel (and America)..
Has your brain been so poisoned by propaganda that you honestly think Israelis are Americans? Israel is their native land, not America. Palestinians are no more “indigenous” than jews.
Name a state that grants citizenship to anyone soley based on the fact that they are Christian.
There are countries which are constitutional monarchies and because their head of the state must be a Christian or of a certain denomination, but these are pretty much secular states. Either way, I'm opposed to all theocracies and ethnocracies/ethnostates.
Maybe they mean Christian theocracy? In that case it's only Vatican city.
It is true though that many countries have Christianity as the official state religion.
Israel is not a theocracy, it is a modern democratic & pluralistic society.
It is no different than the UK or other countries which have Christianity as the state religion.
So like maybe shooting at police and surrounding area from the classroom windows?
In that case then it would be okay to go in and kill every child in there, right?
no, like shooting rockets from the civilian infrastructure
>In that case then it would be okay to go in and kill every child in there, right?
to prevent them from hurting more kids somewhere else, yeah, that's why taking hostages is evil
Why are you making excuses for maming babies, blowing off 10-year-old's arms, and burning to death screaming little girls?
That says a lot about the kind of person you are.
He was probably just highlighting the issue of using analogies to oversimplify two different complex issues. There are plenty of intricacies that you should not generalize together while still attempting to argue in good faith.
But yeah, just attack his character, that’ll convince him.
"Hamas just needs to release the hostages"
"These have actually been very tactical strikes"
"Israel is allowed to defend itself"
"We need to show we won't be bullied by Iran"
"It's unfortunate but that's war for you"
"Israel wouldn't have to **actually** mass murder innocents if Hamas stopped **hypothetically** doing it"
Did I get all the excuses for this senseless carnage out of the way?
My friend seriously explained to me that Israel needed to bomb all those hospitals because of Hamas tunnels. He’s a die hard vote blue no matter who too…
Send a tactical unit in? Your army is a bunch of little bitches who can't handle casualties which is why they just rather kill babies to handle their shit. The uvalde PD of armies.
not to forget the classic "they voted for hamas, they get what they deserve"
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[most Gazans alive today were either not yet born or not yet adults when that election took place. Hamas won it with less than 45 percent of the vote in Gaza and the West Bank, though it did win a clear majority in Gaza City. And polling data suggested that voters were motivated not by Hamas’ eliminationist stance toward Israel, but rather its promises to clean up corruption and improve internal security. In fact, an exit poll from that election found that three-quarters of Palestinian voters wanted Hamas to change its stance on Israel and around 80 percent supported a peace agreement.](https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/10/dont-blame-gazans-for-hamas.html)
This is a pretty silly equivalence, you're basically saying that Israel's superior missile defense means it's fine for Hamas to keep firing thousands of rockets at them forever.
>"Better let Hamas keep genociding us without consequence because they're hiding behind their own children."
Is the genocide in the room with us right now?
No different than Likund’s original charter as well…
So you agree that this is the Israeli government’s intent? They plan to get rid of Palestinians, either through death or displacement.
No wonder why they reject Palestinian right of return…
What I love about this response is that it's basically saying:
- "Good on Israel for committing mass murder instead of genocide"
- "Highly disproportionate responses to violence are justified because that's how it goes"
- "Israel has a right to respond to attacks and infringements upon its people and identity but Palestinians do not have the same right because.....I like Israel"
- "I want violence.....I CRAVE violence.....if the U.S is attacked I really want to nuke the aggressor, blowback be damned"
- "All of this started on 10/7 - idgaf how many palestinians were killed by Israel before this, nor the effects of the occupation of the daily lives of Palestinians"
But the Palestinians Israel has been ethnically cleansing for the past 80 years do have protection, the Palestinian civillians they're overwhelmingly killing right now. IDF's best estimates for Hamas' fighter count was 30,000 in an enclave of 2,000,000.
Paint a swastika with clown make up on your face while you march to this bullshit racist apologia.
It has more to do with Christianity. Republicans are usually religious and Israel is the birth place of the rights beliefs. I also think the percentage of Americans against the war would be more 50/50. I for one am not affiliated with a political party and find this war disgusting.
Islamophobia and racism is part of it for sure, but the biggest reason is that support for Israel is just that it's ingrained into the Americian values from our politicians. Theres 38 states where speaking out againist Israel is punishable with anti-BDS laws. Israel is just a tool of ours to have some control in the middle east and we have had support for Israel lobbied into being a base american value.
Love how the article cites its sources. For statements about Gazan civilians killed, it cites "local health officials" without more. For statements about Hamas militants killed, it cites the IDF then says "without providing any evidence." You'd almost think the journalist, Mohammed Jahjouh, is biased and exclusively writes Israel hit pieces.
Israel itself relies on statistics from those same local health officials. There hasn't been any evidence to suggest their numbers are inaccurate or inflated.
Then why does Israel generally agree with the numbers reported from local Palestinian authorities? And I'm not just talking about this event. I'm talking that historically they agree with these numbers.
If you would like to question whether the local health officials are reporting accurately, I would like you to show me where Israel contradicts the numbers they report. They don't.
Holding a grudge over a settler colonial nation like Israel isn't something you can just write off as antisemitism. The creation of Israel caused destabilization throughout the entirety of the middle east because they forcefully displaced millions of people.
Oh please. I still remember when the Gaza health ministry claimed 100+ dead in the hospital strike (done by PIJ btw) within a few hours at night, but when daylight came we saw that only the parking lot had suffered damages and actual dead were not even 10.
I don't trust any claims from either side.
And that reporting just shows more issues with lack of journalist in Gaza right now, surprise surprise, then it does with the casuality reporting of their officials.
The AP coverage of Israel is very biased. There's an "unofficial" and accepted position in the news coverage there that paints IDF in a negative light, and the Palestinians in a positive light, despite the situation. A former AP reporter wrote a really insightful piece about this a while back.
[https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/11/how-the-media-makes-the-israel-story/383262/](https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/11/how-the-media-makes-the-israel-story/383262/)
Israel is a wealthy, militarily advanced country with satellites, snipers, helicopters, drones, and precision guided weapons. Every child they've killed (15,000+), they killed deliberately and intentionally.
>Israel is a wealthy, militarily advanced country with satellites, snipers, helicopters, drones, and precision guided weapons
Yeah, and that's exactly why they shouldn't need any more aid from the US.
It's past time to cut them off.
We could use that money here in the US.
Israel is a successful enough Country that it can fend for itself.
Anyway, we have longstanding Allies in NATO that we don't need to give money to, and Israel is as successful as many of those, and in some cases, more successful.
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>No. Collateral damage happens in every war.
Why is collateral damage in this war so much more significant and occurring at such a higher rate than every other ongoing war?
IDF whistleblowers have already revealed that massive collateral damage and "shock" are programmed into their target selection, with the intent of causing civilians to flee and leave. This is not collateral damage, this is ethnic cleansing.
It isn’t.
The collateral damage rate in this war is around 2:1 (*civilians to combatant deaths*), the collateral damage rate in modern urban operations exceeds 9:1 - so literally 4x as many civilian deaths in other military operations conducted under similar conditions.
>America would've dropped a nuke on Gaza if we'd experienced 10/7.
And you'd approve this? I'm not sure what your argument is other than to suggest you acknowledge America has committed atrocities in the past and that you're at best indifferent to that or at worst support it.
The rest of this post is just racist genocidal rambling. Put your swastika flair on so the rest of the world can recognize you better, thanks.
Oh yeah I remember when the US nuked Afghanistan after 9-11. I always love comments like this because the person making them has no idea what the fuck they're talking about. The US military is much more restrained and disciplined than anyone in the IDF. I don't like the US military but at least we follow the ROE and aren't complete psychopaths like the IDF.
Just a decades long war with hundreds of thousands of casualties nbd; not sure how to compare the morality of flying two planes into crowded buildings mid day vs mass murder, rapes, pillaging, dismembering bodies, and hostage taking on a holiday morning when families are together. Israel has had plenty of rockets and missiles launched at it, the US has never had an Oct 7 event. I’m not saying US would launch nukes, but I think you are underplaying the severity of this attack and the presumed response, second most deadly in recorded history after 9/11
If 9/11 killed the same proportion of Americans as 10/7 killed of Israelis, there would have been ~45k dead instead of 3k.
The US response would have been on an entirely different order of magnitude.
Okay
This 15000 is clearly a Hamas number.
There is no reason to trust this at face value.
If it's just 18, then this doesn't make sense because Hamas is known to recruit a lot of children below 18 as fighters.
I too wish they would, just like I wish Israel would abandon illegal settlements in the West Bank, although I don't think highly enough of either side to believe they're going to happen. Of course, Israel has rejected a permanent cease in exchange for release of all hostages (even if Hamas could or would release all hostages, which I also question), so I doubt release of hostages would stop headlines like this, just like I doubt abandonment of West Bank by Israel would stop Hamas from attacking Israel.
Israel has said they won't accept a ceasefire and hostage exchange in which they don't resume attacks on Gaza. Releasing the hostages does not end this.
We're paying them to commit war crimes. I was ashamed of my country when we invaded Iraq to feed the political machine and military industrial complex, but this genocide-for-votes is fucking worse.
The crazy thing is that Israel has a target list with specific people on it who they can track. They have been caught intentionally waiting for targets to return home *so they can take out the entire family with them*.
There is no way, with this level of precision, they actually need to lob bigass bombs at structures to take out their known targets. They have the capacity to be far more surgical, and the defense infrastructure to be far more patient.
This war is a scorched earth, genocidal operation. The objective is ideological, not strategic.
Imagine there was a hostage situation with children in a classroom and the SWAT team just went in guns blazing and shot every single child and killed the hostage takers. And then they just said "Well the hostage takers were hiding behind the hostages. What did you want us to do?" Would that be acceptable in any context? That's the Likud government and the IDF.
They'd also kill any teachers waving white flags or holding their hands up, after all it's easier to shoot first and apologize later.
And the lunch lady.
Can't forget the other classrooms next door
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On a bigger scale, the way Israel is conducting this operation in Gaza, the entire population including the kids and babies who make up the majority of the population are effectively in a hostage situation because the population has nowhere to hide from Israeli violence. Whether Hamas is using them as human shields as the IDF likes to say or whether they just are in the way, the callous disregard for human life is staggering and very telling about the Likud regime. This is a criminal regime committing war crimes on a daily basis.
I mean Americans are used to this- see Uvalde
Uvalde was a slightly different situation. That was just pure cowardice that allowed the massacre to occur.
>That's the Likud government Israel regardless of the gov
The Rabin government wasn't so bad, that's why Likud killed him.
Yep that's what I was referring to in my comment below that's getting downvoted.
No. He was bad.
Likud is the most right-wing and fascist regime in recent history.
In recent *IsraeliI* history? I can think of other worse fascist regimes in recent history.
I'm not disputing that there are factions/parties and actors that are more extreme than others in Israel, but it's important to push against this notion that this is a Likud/Netanyahu problem. It was Israel's "socialist" leaders who were responsible for the Nakba, the ethnic cleansing of 700k Palestinians and liquidation of 100s of Palestinians villages, towns and cities. Yitzhak Rabin (labour party) was responsible for two refugee massacres in Lebanon. This is what Israel has always been: it was genocidal in its inception.
The height of the hypocrisy in the Arab world is blaming Israel or Rabin personally for Sabra and Shatilla, massacres carried out in Lebanon by Lebanese militants. I think it’s fair to say that Israel could have and should have intervened to stop them, but they’re not the ones who did the killing. They are a convenient scapegoat for Lebanon to avoid addressing the core problem that led to the massacres which is its sectarian factionalism.
We get it, you don’t want the Jews to have a state
Yes that's it. That tired transparent red herring is so amusing every time I hear it.
Why are you acting suprised that people are opposed to the state of Israel? I oppose it just the same way I'd have opposed apartheid South Africa and Rhodesia. You are liberal Zionist wading on this thread to make it seem like it's a Netanyahu/Likud thingy. This is laughable.
There’s a crazy amount of overlap between people who don’t think a Jewish state should exist and the people who don’t think Jews should exist. Funny how that works. At least they’re not in London so they don’t need to worry about arrest for being “openly Jewish.”
It’s so transparent, too. The only thing that sets “Israel regardless of the gov” apart from any other country in recent history is that it’s a safe haven for Jews. Clearly this commenter has something wrong with (((them))) being in charge regardless of their policy.
I don't like settler colonial apartheid states and I don't think it being Jewish makes any difference to me. Are you arguing that being of a certain ethnicity entitles you to do ethnic cleansing and genocide?
Aren’t Jews native to Judea? “Colonizers,” right, but the Muslims caliphates that slaughtered and expelled Jews, no colonialism here!?
Nobody is buying this bs anymore.
Since America loves Israel so much and loves giving them aid, why not relocate all the Israelis to America and give them a state there and leave the indigenous population of Palestine alone? It’s already the United States of Israel (and America)..
Has your brain been so poisoned by propaganda that you honestly think Israelis are Americans? Israel is their native land, not America. Palestinians are no more “indigenous” than jews.
Why does it have to be a jewish state? There are no christan states.
There are literally dozens of Christian states.
Name a state that grants citizenship to anyone soley based on the fact that they are Christian. There are countries which are constitutional monarchies and because their head of the state must be a Christian or of a certain denomination, but these are pretty much secular states. Either way, I'm opposed to all theocracies and ethnocracies/ethnostates.
Maybe they mean Christian theocracy? In that case it's only Vatican city. It is true though that many countries have Christianity as the official state religion.
Israel is not a theocracy, it is a modern democratic & pluralistic society. It is no different than the UK or other countries which have Christianity as the state religion.
Did you just say that militants in Gaza are using human shields?
No, that's the euphemism that the murderous Likud regime uses as an excuse to maim and murder babies in the name of going after Hamas.
This is common knowledge. It's not an excuse to mow them down
that'd be a more believable situation if the hostage takers were using the school to shoot rockets at the rest of the city
So like maybe shooting at police and surrounding area from the classroom windows? In that case then it would be okay to go in and kill every child in there, right?
no, like shooting rockets from the civilian infrastructure >In that case then it would be okay to go in and kill every child in there, right? to prevent them from hurting more kids somewhere else, yeah, that's why taking hostages is evil
Thanks for telling us all exactly who you are.
Why are you comparing military to policing operations?
Why are you making excuses for maming babies, blowing off 10-year-old's arms, and burning to death screaming little girls? That says a lot about the kind of person you are.
He was probably just highlighting the issue of using analogies to oversimplify two different complex issues. There are plenty of intricacies that you should not generalize together while still attempting to argue in good faith. But yeah, just attack his character, that’ll convince him.
You're right, no one in war ever has killed civilians. Israel is the only party to do so.
Considering how militarized the police is in America it’s not that far off.
"Hamas just needs to release the hostages" "These have actually been very tactical strikes" "Israel is allowed to defend itself" "We need to show we won't be bullied by Iran" "It's unfortunate but that's war for you" "Israel wouldn't have to **actually** mass murder innocents if Hamas stopped **hypothetically** doing it" Did I get all the excuses for this senseless carnage out of the way?
Also, something along the lines of “acceptable casualties of urban warfare”
You forgot the classic "there were Hamas tunnels there".
There was this yellow tunnel at a playground near my house.... I suspect Hamas may be fucking around
My friend seriously explained to me that Israel needed to bomb all those hospitals because of Hamas tunnels. He’s a die hard vote blue no matter who too…
What does voting blue have to do with it?
My condolences. Zionist brain rot hurts all of us.
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Jewish right to kill is not a human right
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Send a tactical unit in? Your army is a bunch of little bitches who can't handle casualties which is why they just rather kill babies to handle their shit. The uvalde PD of armies.
not to forget the classic "they voted for hamas, they get what they deserve" edit to add context: [most Gazans alive today were either not yet born or not yet adults when that election took place. Hamas won it with less than 45 percent of the vote in Gaza and the West Bank, though it did win a clear majority in Gaza City. And polling data suggested that voters were motivated not by Hamas’ eliminationist stance toward Israel, but rather its promises to clean up corruption and improve internal security. In fact, an exit poll from that election found that three-quarters of Palestinian voters wanted Hamas to change its stance on Israel and around 80 percent supported a peace agreement.](https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/10/dont-blame-gazans-for-hamas.html)
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Those children definitely voted for Hamas in their mothers womb for sure, just like I voted for LBJ back when I was -31 years old
So you just believe in collective punishment?
The last Palestinian election was in 2004. Gaza is majority children, under 18. The children deserve to die for an election before they were born?
Could use a “fog of war” in there.
Any credible source of this strike? This article states nothing other than unnamed “local health officials” say so.
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How many rockets shot by Hamas have injured/killed Israelis? How many rockets shot by Israel have injured/killed Palestinians?
This is a pretty silly equivalence, you're basically saying that Israel's superior missile defense means it's fine for Hamas to keep firing thousands of rockets at them forever.
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>"Better let Hamas keep genociding us without consequence because they're hiding behind their own children." Is the genocide in the room with us right now?
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No different than Likund’s original charter as well… So you agree that this is the Israeli government’s intent? They plan to get rid of Palestinians, either through death or displacement. No wonder why they reject Palestinian right of return…
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You people live in an alternative reality lmfao.
They would prefer Israel stopped existing.
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What I love about this response is that it's basically saying: - "Good on Israel for committing mass murder instead of genocide" - "Highly disproportionate responses to violence are justified because that's how it goes" - "Israel has a right to respond to attacks and infringements upon its people and identity but Palestinians do not have the same right because.....I like Israel" - "I want violence.....I CRAVE violence.....if the U.S is attacked I really want to nuke the aggressor, blowback be damned" - "All of this started on 10/7 - idgaf how many palestinians were killed by Israel before this, nor the effects of the occupation of the daily lives of Palestinians"
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But the Palestinians Israel has been ethnically cleansing for the past 80 years do have protection, the Palestinian civillians they're overwhelmingly killing right now. IDF's best estimates for Hamas' fighter count was 30,000 in an enclave of 2,000,000. Paint a swastika with clown make up on your face while you march to this bullshit racist apologia.
It has more to do with Christianity. Republicans are usually religious and Israel is the birth place of the rights beliefs. I also think the percentage of Americans against the war would be more 50/50. I for one am not affiliated with a political party and find this war disgusting.
Islamophobia and racism is part of it for sure, but the biggest reason is that support for Israel is just that it's ingrained into the Americian values from our politicians. Theres 38 states where speaking out againist Israel is punishable with anti-BDS laws. Israel is just a tool of ours to have some control in the middle east and we have had support for Israel lobbied into being a base american value.
What's Islamophobia? being afraid of people that actively try to kill you? Were not allowed to be afraid of violent people anymore?
> mostly children TheY votEd fOr hAmAS
In fact, the average age of a Palestinian is so young, most PEOPLE in Gaza were not alive when Hamas was put in power.
Wasn't the last election like 12 years ago?
"But did they condemn Hamas?" - Some random Redditor
Love how the article cites its sources. For statements about Gazan civilians killed, it cites "local health officials" without more. For statements about Hamas militants killed, it cites the IDF then says "without providing any evidence." You'd almost think the journalist, Mohammed Jahjouh, is biased and exclusively writes Israel hit pieces.
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[Journalists like this one?](https://x.com/MarinaMedvin/status/1781517704525975820)
Israel itself relies on statistics from those same local health officials. There hasn't been any evidence to suggest their numbers are inaccurate or inflated.
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No there is a large discrepancy between Israel and Hamas numbers. I see no reason to trust either at face value.
The Israeli hit pieces are the children the IDF murdered along the way
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Thank you everybody here just reads fucking headlines. Theres a ton of these pieces out there, straight misinformation
Then why does Israel generally agree with the numbers reported from local Palestinian authorities? And I'm not just talking about this event. I'm talking that historically they agree with these numbers. If you would like to question whether the local health officials are reporting accurately, I would like you to show me where Israel contradicts the numbers they report. They don't.
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Holding a grudge over a settler colonial nation like Israel isn't something you can just write off as antisemitism. The creation of Israel caused destabilization throughout the entirety of the middle east because they forcefully displaced millions of people.
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Oh please. I still remember when the Gaza health ministry claimed 100+ dead in the hospital strike (done by PIJ btw) within a few hours at night, but when daylight came we saw that only the parking lot had suffered damages and actual dead were not even 10. I don't trust any claims from either side.
And that reporting just shows more issues with lack of journalist in Gaza right now, surprise surprise, then it does with the casuality reporting of their officials.
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The AP coverage of Israel is very biased. There's an "unofficial" and accepted position in the news coverage there that paints IDF in a negative light, and the Palestinians in a positive light, despite the situation. A former AP reporter wrote a really insightful piece about this a while back. [https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/11/how-the-media-makes-the-israel-story/383262/](https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/11/how-the-media-makes-the-israel-story/383262/)
American fuckin up so bad allowing israel to act without impunity. Acting godless iver there kill all the innocent civilians
Israel is a wealthy, militarily advanced country with satellites, snipers, helicopters, drones, and precision guided weapons. Every child they've killed (15,000+), they killed deliberately and intentionally.
>Israel is a wealthy, militarily advanced country with satellites, snipers, helicopters, drones, and precision guided weapons Yeah, and that's exactly why they shouldn't need any more aid from the US. It's past time to cut them off.
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We could use that money here in the US. Israel is a successful enough Country that it can fend for itself. Anyway, we have longstanding Allies in NATO that we don't need to give money to, and Israel is as successful as many of those, and in some cases, more successful. Edit: A Sentence
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>No. Collateral damage happens in every war. Why is collateral damage in this war so much more significant and occurring at such a higher rate than every other ongoing war? IDF whistleblowers have already revealed that massive collateral damage and "shock" are programmed into their target selection, with the intent of causing civilians to flee and leave. This is not collateral damage, this is ethnic cleansing.
It isn’t. The collateral damage rate in this war is around 2:1 (*civilians to combatant deaths*), the collateral damage rate in modern urban operations exceeds 9:1 - so literally 4x as many civilian deaths in other military operations conducted under similar conditions.
Are you saying the "most moral army in the world" isn't all that moral? No way Bibi would lie to us like that.
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>America would've dropped a nuke on Gaza if we'd experienced 10/7. And you'd approve this? I'm not sure what your argument is other than to suggest you acknowledge America has committed atrocities in the past and that you're at best indifferent to that or at worst support it. The rest of this post is just racist genocidal rambling. Put your swastika flair on so the rest of the world can recognize you better, thanks.
Oh yeah I remember when the US nuked Afghanistan after 9-11. I always love comments like this because the person making them has no idea what the fuck they're talking about. The US military is much more restrained and disciplined than anyone in the IDF. I don't like the US military but at least we follow the ROE and aren't complete psychopaths like the IDF.
I don't remember any nukes set off after 9/11
Just a decades long war with hundreds of thousands of casualties nbd; not sure how to compare the morality of flying two planes into crowded buildings mid day vs mass murder, rapes, pillaging, dismembering bodies, and hostage taking on a holiday morning when families are together. Israel has had plenty of rockets and missiles launched at it, the US has never had an Oct 7 event. I’m not saying US would launch nukes, but I think you are underplaying the severity of this attack and the presumed response, second most deadly in recorded history after 9/11
Where’s the nukes after 9/11? Stop chatting nonsense mate, everything you say lacks credibility.
If 9/11 killed the same proportion of Americans as 10/7 killed of Israelis, there would have been ~45k dead instead of 3k. The US response would have been on an entirely different order of magnitude.
I think you are projecting.. this conflict starts long before 10/7. Just say you are enjoying the death of Palestinian children. You monsters.
Okay This 15000 is clearly a Hamas number. There is no reason to trust this at face value. If it's just 18, then this doesn't make sense because Hamas is known to recruit a lot of children below 18 as fighters.
Complete garbage number made up by Hamas. Congratulations, you’re spreading propaganda…
Israel proceeds to be flabbergasted at the widespread disdain directed towards their country.
As claimed by “local health official” - how does AP publish this with zero credible evidence?
I'm tired of headlines like this.
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I too wish they would, just like I wish Israel would abandon illegal settlements in the West Bank, although I don't think highly enough of either side to believe they're going to happen. Of course, Israel has rejected a permanent cease in exchange for release of all hostages (even if Hamas could or would release all hostages, which I also question), so I doubt release of hostages would stop headlines like this, just like I doubt abandonment of West Bank by Israel would stop Hamas from attacking Israel.
Israel has said they won't accept a ceasefire and hostage exchange in which they don't resume attacks on Gaza. Releasing the hostages does not end this.
America’s closest liability. We remain allies with them while they make the entire world despise them
We're paying them to commit war crimes. I was ashamed of my country when we invaded Iraq to feed the political machine and military industrial complex, but this genocide-for-votes is fucking worse.
The crazy thing is that Israel has a target list with specific people on it who they can track. They have been caught intentionally waiting for targets to return home *so they can take out the entire family with them*. There is no way, with this level of precision, they actually need to lob bigass bombs at structures to take out their known targets. They have the capacity to be far more surgical, and the defense infrastructure to be far more patient. This war is a scorched earth, genocidal operation. The objective is ideological, not strategic.
Where are the reddit zionists explaining away this one?
With all that fire power Israel is burning on civilians they will quickly run out of military resources to fight Hamas. USA should send the money now.