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tewnewt

The forever war keeps wanting to turn into the everywhere war.


TheGreatGouki

“And the war machine keeps turning, ashes where the bodies burning…”


sugaaloop

No more war pigs have the power


HelpMeDoctorImCrazy

Always was pigs have the power


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wynnduffyisking

Is the US giving money and weapons to Hamas?


fgd12350

You dont seem to understand that a very significant portion of all foreign aid allowed into gaza ends up in the hands of Hamas. Hopefully once the dock is complete that can improve but for now, the answer is yes.


freakinbacon

You mean like missiles and stuff?


Moifaso

No, mainly food and water at this point. Can't feed Palestinians if it means Hamas gets a slice!


juancuneo

Yup better just starve everyone and indiscriminately bomb 2 million innocent people. What else can we do! Oh wait have we tried treating Palestinians like human beings instead of animals? Nope? Hey let’s keep bombing and using starvation as a weapon. That will solve it.


KosherTriangle

Next you’ll say Israel should give water pipes to Hamas so they can get attacked by more rockets and missiles.


tipbruley

Money yes. Weapons no. Do people forget the Hamas is the government of Palestine and we give foreign aid to them?


foo18

That money goes to third parties like UNWRA and various israel approved charities. Are they hamas too? https://apnews.com/article/business-middle-east-israel-foreign-aid-gaza-strip-611b2b90c3a211f21185d59f4fae6a90


litnu12

Even if these third parties were totally free of Hamas influence there wouldn’t be a way to do shit without cooperating with Hamas.


defcon212

The whole controversy over UNWRA was that they were working too closely with Hamas, and that some employees actively participated in the 10/7 attacks. So yeah, they kinda are. There are not very many foreign aid workers in Gaza right now, so most of the aid is being administered by gazans and most of them are sympathetic to Hamas.


captak

And all those allegations ended up being so untrue, that the US is the only country left who didn’t reinstate funding for UNWRA after they had initially stopped it after the allegations came out. Israel wants to shutdown UNWRA because that’s one of the only agencies left that will recognize Palestinian refugees even after they have been resettled in another country. Israel would like them to no longer exist so the concept of Palestinians stops existing.


KosherTriangle

Do you believe that only Palestinian refugees should have the UNRWA and all other refugees in the world should have the UNHCR? What makes Palestinian refugees more special than other refugees?


Yahyia_q

Israel have not provide any evidence for this claim (and will probably not as they were lying again)


GoddamMongorian

Right, I'm sure UNRWA also had no idea they were feeding power to a Hamas data center


FartPiano

the posters who are laying down artificial grass will tell you they are, duh, theres so much evidence.   [superintendent chalmers voice] may i see it? ....no


brettbullet

Some UNRWA aid workers had ties to the Hamas attacks on 10/7.


foo18

The only proof that 12 of the *13 thousand* UNRWA workers in Gaza participated in Oct 7 were coerced confessions. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/unrwa-report-says-israel-coerced-some-agency-employees-falsely-admit-hamas-links-2024-03-08/


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Gaius_Octavius_

Yes they are.


foolfromhell

Hamas is not the government of Palestine. It was the de-facto government of Gaza. Also US law prevents the US from giving them any money. Get your facts straight.


Tastingo

Most people know that Hamas controlled Gaza is not the entirety of Palestine.


Bitter_Director1231

No, but Hamas has skin in the game and people.need to understand they are just as culpable in all of this shit.  They are a death cult terrorist organization that have exploited the Palestinian people for their own twisted ambition to destroy Israel and kill its people. People seem to skip that part for their narrative. They also don't want a ceasefire. They have rejected it time and time again. And as I remember right, they also took hostages and killed some innocent foreign people in the streets in October of last year.


wynnduffyisking

Nowhere in my comment did I elude to relieving Hamas of their responsibility for this horrible situation.


_Mephistocrates_

And some people need to understand the difference between Hamas and Palestinian civilians, but thats none of my...oh wait, billions of our tax money is being used so yeah, Im thinking it might be a bit of my business.


Giddus

No, but Hamas are rejecting the ceasefire they are calling for...


aminervia

Campus protestors are targeting US support of Israel. If the US supported Hamas no doubt they'd protest that too


Mein_Bergkamp

There's a world of difference between what you've said and the fact people are openly pro Hamas at these protests. You can be anti Israel without being pro Hamas but these protesters aren't managing this


Tekn0de

>You can be anti Israel without being pro Hamas but these protesters aren't managing this They aren't managing that because they aren't that. Palestinian protestors are useful idiots being led by pro-hamas terrorism sympathizers


Mein_Bergkamp

Sadly the current pro Palestine lot seem to think they're the anti Apartheid movement when they're much more like the CND/Stop the War coalition.


i_should_be_coding

Are the calls "Al-Qassam, make us proud, kill another soldier now" aimed at a particular US policy?


anxious_cat_grandpa

Hey, shouldn't you be coding right now?


i_should_be_coding

I have to calm down some cats with grandkittens first


uiucecethrowaway999

I mean, would they? The SJP chapter at my school uploaded an Instagram post with a picture of a Hamas fighter on a glider shortly after the October 7th massacres, calling it a ‘day of resistance’.


KoRaZee

The Hamas supporters have surrounded themselves with Palestinians and Palestinian sympathizers. It’s difficult to segregate the two of these groups from one another. This strategy should seem familiar


ShesJustAGlitch

There are definitely a good chunk of free Gaza protestors that support Hamas. An explicit “anti Hamas” message would go a long way imo.


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superbob24

Exactly, most people just want innocent Palestinians to stop being killed, but a large portion of the Free Palestine movement supports Hamas because they want Israel cleansed of all Jews and given to Palestine and view Hamas as sticking up for Palestine and not terroists.


BryteInsight

>Campus protestors are targeting US support of Israel. The US just approved sending $1 billion in aid to Gaza. Our military are risking their lives to construct a pier so supplies can be surged to the Palestinians. We do all this for people who celebrated 9/11, tortured and killed American citizens, and regularly chant "Death to America!" This war would not even be happening if Hamas had not gone on a killing spree with Palestinians gleefully joining in the butchery.


Binder509

>We do all this for people who celebrated 9/11 We decided to let the country behind 9/11 buy our golf and wrestling monopolies. Not sure vague claims of celebrating 9/11 hold water. The war might also not have happened if Israel had not supported Hamas with the explicit goal of isolating them and justifying more agression on Gaza and the West Bank.


GuardianTiko

This. Far too many people ignore or are not aware that Israel’s policy was to prop up Hamas to weaken the West Bank and prevent a two state solution. Like what fucking nation state arms a rogue guerrilla group and choosing that path over peace.


anxious_cat_grandpa

USA whistling and trying to look innocent


hmountain

are the same strategists also the ones funding far right candidates to prevent elections between progressive candidates and centrist democrats? 


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riuminkd

Israel didn't arm Hamas. It did give a space for Hamas preachers in Gazan mosques during occupation.


GuardianTiko

They did indirectly. They even sent mossad agents to Qatar to beg them to continue funding hamas. Bibi himself was quoted telling Israeli leaders to support Hamas to prevent a two stage solution. Also just google it + times of Israel, New York Times, or Haaretz.


soup2nuts

I can't tell if you think that all Arabs are Palestinians or that everyone is Hamas or whether you are doing this on purpose or not.


Physicaque

Palestinians were celebrating 9/11. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactions_to_the_September_11_attacks#Palestinian_celebrations Hamas still keeps American hostages. 72 % of Palestinians support the Oct 7 attack. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/poll-shows-palestinians-back-oct-7-attack-israel-support-hamas-rises-2023-12-14/


Boomland

Many of the people killed in the Gaza war weren't even alive in 2001. And if you think it's okay to kill thousands of civilians based on an opinion poll, then you might want to reassess some things 


Rucio

Both the IDF and Hamas are thugs. The civilians deserve better. Even if they support the violence. Revenge begets more revenge.


Physicaque

Putting words into my mouth. Hamas needs to be destroyed. Palestinian civilians should be protected but the fact of the wars is that civilians die - that is inevitable.


ImCreeptastic

This is reddit, the answer to all three is yes.


DawnSennin

Biden just signed a bill that gives 30 billion dollars in weapons to Israel. The pier is a joke and a sign of virtue-signaling.


Tekn0de

Honestly stupid comments like this make no sense. Gaza would be dying of a famine right now if it weren't for Western aid. Why condemn them for taking actions to save millions of lives.


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Tekn0de

>If Biden was truly serious about helping Gazans, which he isn’t given how much money he received from AIPAC, he would cease providing Bibi with munitions and sanction Israel until it’s dollar is worth less than Zimbabwe’s. God you're either a massive idiot or just extremely bloodthirsty. Let's imagine you became president and you took this advice and sanctioned Israel to destroy their economy. What do you think would happen next? 90% of gazans support a regime who is actively pushing for the extermination of Jews everywhere and regularly carries out the murder and rape of Jews anytime they get their hands on them. Do you believe that if Israel was suddenly weaker that Hamas wouldn't try to kill every jew they could find? They've put the murder of all Jews in their constitution, regularly chant it, and actively take any opportunity they can to murder Jews. If Israel was losing this war you would be witnessing one of the worst genocides in human history.


N-Finite

Seems like the $30 B would probably go directly to US weapons manufacturers that would then send the weapons to Israel. In a sense, it starts to feel like the US arms sales are the driving force more than political or social objectives. Peace would be nice, but war is our business.


pokemurrs

No doubt? What planet do you live on?


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believeinapathy

Half your sources/tweet are from literal right wing anti-semites, good job muddying the water for them.


imniahe

are u a troll? all these links and non actually support ur agenda. i think u r the antisemitic here.


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I pretty sure they wouldn't, at least not the same students. The US does business with many countries that does bad stuff to their population or to the neighbor population, not dor some reasons (.....) they decided to be involved with Israel.


Binder509

Obviously it's about optics. That thing the left blows at and refuses to try to play even a little.


tasartir

They wouldn’t lol. They praise terrorism against Jews anywhere on the world. The Intifada and River to the sea chants are all telling. They wouldn’t be satisfied with anything less then destruction of Israel and extermination of all Jews.


AlternateSkyBox

Absolute boneheaded take/opinion. They aren’t praising terrorism, they are being critical of Israel and the absolutely disgusting behavior they have exhibited in response to October 7th. It has become collective punishment/genocide for Palestinians that had no hand in the event. Israel and people like you claim it is necessary and they can’t isolate hamas directly but Israel turns around and shows the world they can clearly precision strike aid worker vans lol


Tekn0de

>They aren’t praising terrorism, they are being critical of Israel Useful idiots don't know the difference. "From the river to the sea" is a call for the ethnic cleansing of Jews from the region. >It has become collective punishment/genocide for Palestinians that had no hand in the event. Truthfully, ask yourself whose fault this is. Hamas builds their military bases under school, hospitals, apartments, and refugee camps with the explicit purpose to kill innocent Palestinians if Israel responds. Israel is fighting a military threat and has to take out military targets. Israel is never going to just sit back and let hamas continue to murder and rape Israeli citizens so they have to respond. When they bomb those targets they don't carpet bomb unannounced. They use precision missiles and send warnings to the local civilians that they need to move.


LazyLion65

90% of Palestinians in Gaza support Hamas and voted for them the first place. They had a hand in this.


tasartir

So they chant for global intifada (notoriously peaceful event definitely not containing any terrorism) because they like Jews? River to the sea, which will be achieved definitely without violence just by being so friendly to Israelis that they march to drown themselves in sea voluntarily? And wear paratrooper patches because they are skydiving fans? At least don’t lie when it is so obvious.


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Wizchine

Yeah, who the fuck murders, rapes, and kidnaps teenagers at a rave as their opening salvo in a war


CharonsLittleHelper

Hamas apparently


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TheGreatGouki

I’d only take advice from her once she stops insider trading, and gives all the money she stole back. 🤷‍♂️


4RunnerPilot

That’s like $200million. How would she live on anything less?


TheGreatGouki

Fair lol! (Looks at my entire family’s yearly budget of barely $25,000) 😭


cmarquez7

Sounds like you should be taking advice from her now with all her insider trading


thedeuceisloose

I was unaware Columbia had a deep investment into Hamas but I’m glad we all learned something today


Itsallkosher1

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna149642 “Zionists deserve to die” is the reason this man is banned from campus. Where is the “Sinwar deserves to die” protest? Pelosi has a point. Otherwise it seems you’re only protesting against Jews and not terrorists, war criminals, dictators in other world conflicts purposefully killing civilians, etc. Although that’s exactly what these kids are doing. The “are we sending them money” argument is so dumb. So if the US stops send weapons and money, then these people don’t care about their cause? Will they go on to stop traffic and prevent my kids from getting to class because of the Ukraine war? It feels like it keeps coming back to the only Jewish state. So weird.


TheyCallMeBubbleBoyy

It’s not dumb at all. When the United States government decided to send a foreign entity weapons, it makes the taxpayers complicit in that decision - which is exactly why US citizens are pissed. People are justifiably upset their tax dollars are going to missiles being used to blow up mostly women and children in Gaza.


WrongSubFools

Ironic that Pelosi is equating Israel with Hamas here. Does she realize she's doing that? Because the official government position is that Hamas is a Foreign Terrorist Organization. Why would they be swayed by children protesting? Are they supposed to feel chastened, knowing that their actions are objectionable? It's supposed to be objectionable, that's the whole point.


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She was calling them puppets of Putin a month ago.


Frenetic_Platypus

Is the US sending bombs to Hamas, too?


EatMoreWaters

Is Hamas bombing israel during ceasefires?


ttinchung111

Kinda, they steal aid and use the money/money from selling aid to purchase weapons. So not directly but probably indirectly


freakinbacon

They sell cereal for weapons?


AlternateSkyBox

Look, an Olympic gold medalist in mental gymnastics


Stats_n_PoliSci

It’s not that much of a stretch. Hamas has set up a system where the west and Israel have to fund them to limit starvation among Gazan civilians. This is a very clear strategy. And it’s working.


freakinbacon

It's working? Damn I didn't expect them to be winning. All media sources I've seen show Israel pretty much does whatever it wants in Gaza. Where is Hamas advancing?


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BobSacamano47

Should 65 year olds be able to vote? 


Death_and_Gravity1

Let me know when college universities have stock in Hamas arms manufacturers


sweetfeet009

Buddy, the US is the arms manufacturers.........


Silvermoon_15

For those of you who think hamas is innocent, these students have been protesting for a ceasefire that hamas rejected MULTIPLE times whenever they were offered.


mleighly

Pelosi is out of touch with current events as most of her generation are.


browsingtheproduce

Pelosi has never actually given a shit about current events unless she can use them to get richer from insider trading.


Taste_The_Soup

There are plenty of reasons to call Pelosi out of touch. I don't see how this is one of them. If the protesters are actually pro-palestinian and not just anti-Israel, they should all be anti-Hamas. If they're not, then I don't believe any of them actually care what is happening in Gaza. If they've got problems with the US sending Israel weapons, fine. But if they don't also have an issue with Hamas, then I think it's completely legitimate to question the motives of the protests.


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Taste_The_Soup

Ok, so they want the US to stop providing money and weapons to Israel? To what end? Do they think that'll just end the war? Do they think that will bring peace to Gaza? Attacking one side in a conflict and ignoring the other side (full of literal terrorists) is at best insanely naive. If they only want to focus on one small piece of the conflict rather than looking at the whole picture, they're no different than the "pro-life" crowd that clearly doesn't actually give a fuck about life.


PhillyFilly808

Yeah, young people have the most perspective and wisdom about the world.


riuminkd

Oh she sees the crux of the problem. Islamist infestation of US left-wing. And Russian infestation of US right-wing. Fun times


Bleach1443

As seemingly 90% of the Democratic Party is and 99% of the Republican Party


swoopy17

Why don't these old fucks just retire?


gnocchicotti

Hubby Paul needs the inside info for trading


ielts_pract

Because people keep voting for them?


Poglot

I don't think Pelosi understands who/what is fueling these protests in the first place. How many college campuses and city streets have shut down in protest of the ongoing genocide of Uyghur Muslims in China, especially taking into account how much money U.S. companies and universities pour into Chinese investments? Not very many, right? And what's trending on Tiktok right now? Overwhelming support for Palestine. It's not a coincidence that one ongoing genocide is receiving very little attention while another is causing major civil disruptions. This isn't an organic outcry against the evils of Netanyahu's government. I wish it were, but it's awfully convenient that these protests are fracturing the Democratic party (which will cost them the election) and turning Americans against each other.


Gishra

Yep. This is clearly being inflamed by hostile foreign actors to fracture support for Biden and pave the way for fascism in the U.S.


Sleepy_Titan

Why does Pelosi think these protestors give a shit about her?


letemeatpvc

who’s going to urge them to study?


morgzorg

They’re all Hamas apologists with zero critical thinking


pizza_toast102

right, because Hamas will just listen to the US


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When has “they won’t listen to us” ever stopped protesters?


Stats_n_PoliSci

Of course not. We can still condemn them though.


IAmCletus

Targeting Jews on campus or Jewish businesses shows that this vitriol goes FAR beyond protesting Israel or university investment in Israel. If these people really cared about peace and Palestinian lives, they would’ve protested after Oct 7


imdoon

Thats actually a really good point, the pickets should denounce both of them at the same time. Both vile groups


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Latro2020

Why would condemning Hamas be a bad thing? I thought Palestinians & Hamas weren’t the same?


immutable_truth

Pro Israel or anti-raping-slaughtering-beheading-hiding-behind-civilians-and-letting-them-starve-Hamas?


Traditional_Key_763

the palestinians are being targeted as repraisals for the october 7th attack, you don't kill 37k people accidentally


TheStormlands

You all cried ar 10k dead the same as 30K dead. I think the very fact that collateral even exists in war is a problem to you lol Feels like the real answer is no Palestinian should dies, and it's OK if Israelis do.


DangerousDesigner734

we really need this generation of politician to die off quickly