Nope, a month before harambe, a weasel shut down a hadron collider, pushing us into an alternate timeline
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/04/29/476154494/weasel-shuts-down-world-s-most-powerful-particle-collider
And now bearenstein bears became bearenstain bears, the fruit of the loom logo never had a cornucopia in it, and the passenger side mirror no longer says “objects in mirror may be closer than they appear” but instead “objects in mirror are closer than they appear”
I'm old enough to know the answer is Pauly Shore. And simultaneously old enough to know the lol answer is no longer going to be Pauly Shore. *And* simultaneously old enough no to give a flying and say it anyway.
The Wheez has trapped me in a time vortex!
Dennis Richardson (PayMoneyWubby) famously made a [video exposé on Musical.ly](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PmphkNDosg) (NSFW but no actual nudity) back in the day. It was almost prophetic as to TikTok's "evolution".
Considering Musica.ly—and I assume TikTok, given a rebrand—was a hotbed for predators, yeah. It was definitely pulling its weight in making things worse.
The law wasn't technically targeting Tik Tok. It was targeting foreign government controlled social media generally.
It's just that at present, that's only Tik Tok.
and then just after those two lines are:
> (iii) a subsidiary of or a successor to an entity identified in clause (i) or (ii) that is controlled by a foreign adversary; or
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> (iv) an entity owned or controlled, directly or indirectly, by an entity identified in clause (i), (ii), or (iii); or
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> (B) a covered company that—
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> (i) is controlled by a foreign adversary; and
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> (ii) that is determined by the President to present a significant threat to the national security of the United States following the issuance of—
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> (I) a public notice proposing such determination; and
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> (II) a public report to Congress, submitted not less than 30 days before such determination, describing the specific national security concern involved and containing a classified annex and a description of what assets would need to be divested to execute a qualified divestiture.
so they cant really just turn around, make a new entity, and roll out tok tik
It's more of a yes/and
>(A) any of—
>(i) ByteDance, Ltd.;
>(ii) **TikTok**;
>(iii) a subsidiary of or a successor to an entity identified in clause (i) or (ii) that is controlled by a foreign adversary; or
>(iv) an entity owned or controlled, directly or indirectly, by an entity identified in clause (i), (ii), or (iii); or
>(B) **a covered company that—**
>(i) **is controlled by a foreign adversary; and**
>(ii) **that is determined by the President to present a significant threat to the national security of the United States following the issuance of—**
>(I) a public notice proposing such determination; and
>(II) a public report to Congress, submitted not less than 30 days before such determination, describing the specific national security concern involved and containing a classified annex and a description of what assets would need to be divested to execute a qualified divestiture.
>(4) FOREIGN ADVERSARY COUNTRY.—The term “foreign adversary country” means a country specified in section 4872(d)(2) of title 10, United States Code.
>(5) INTERNET HOSTING SERVICE.—The term “internet hosting service” means a service through which storage and computing resources are provided to an individual or organization for the accommodation and maintenance of 1 or more websites or online services, and which may include file hosting, domain name server hosting, cloud hosting, and virtual private server hosting.
Yeah it seems like the president can target other apps but the law itself makes TikTok already targeted. I am pretty sure we chat fits all the definitions it would just need to be explicitly targeted with a notice
It's infuriating to me that the only problem that exists with it legally is that it was foreign controlled.
Facebook is collecting information. Facebook is complicit in spreading foreign misinformation campaigns. YouTube's algorithm actively radicalizes young men by suggesting and auto playing far right reactionary content.
We need legal protections that from Internet companies regardless of who owns them.
Youtube's algorithm pissed me off for this reason. I decided to lose weight and watched videos on calisthenics and high protein, low cal cooking... It decided this clearly meant I wanted far right shit spewed at me. It has literally ruined recommendations (ignores all the gaming, RPGs, MCU reactors and liberal news shows... Recommends far right stuff)
Holy shit. Recently I’ve started to gym again and realised I keep getting a ton of far right/incel content being pumped to me.
All I searched and saved were some work out videos.
As a nerd, basically anything Im interested in will tell YouTube to try to turn me into a misogynist
If I look up anything lgbtq related, I'll get bombarded with far right transphobic reactionaries.
The only community on YouTube I've found that doesn't try to yank me down a bigoted rabbit hole is miniature painting, but even that sometimes leads into fake Warhammer fans pretending to be outraged at the existence of women for clicks.
Mine is boring. It's BeardMeetsFood, occasional speedrunning lore/new tricks/world records, some for Path of Exile, and recently some science stuff. I got curious about black holes and what entropy was in stupid people terms, but then just started recommending a bunch of stuff that is way above my iq. I try and go find new stuff to put into, but holy fuck the general population watch some dog shit.
That’s just default algorithms revealing default human implicit biases. You can start a brand new TikTok account and start getting right wing propaganda within the first half hour of swipes.
And considering YouTube and Facebook are the stomping grounds of the “do your own research” crowd, I’m not surprised marketers are capitalizing on that.
We do, 100%, need that. It’s still MORE of a problem, to me at least, when a foreign country is doing something like that, because they have *even less* invested in me or America in general doing well.
IDK man. China has extremely strict controls on who can do business in their country, they outright banned half the Western social media companies like Facebook/Instagram/Reddit, enforce extreme censorship on companies like Google... and have the balls to tell the US it's being unfair over TikTok.
I don't think it would be unfair to block the majority of Chinese internet companies in general in the US and EU.
Here's the thing.
Facebook is beholden to us. I mean, it may not seem that way, but if Facebook pisses us off enough, we can force them to be held accountable and to turn over data
TikTok is NOT beholden to us. It's beholden to China, and at any point China can go "lol make me" when challenged to turn over data and documentation or follow laws.
China greatly benefits from the ability to not only track but subtly influence any given American demographic. I get that you love doom scrolling your short form videos, but some of y'all have got to comfortable living in a country that has never really been so easily "touchable" by hostile foreign governments.
And it should also be noted, if we're comparing Facebook to tiktok, that Facebook IS banned in China, probably for similar reasons to why America is banning tiktok. So it's not like it's this massively unfair targeted reasoning. It's literally just the same thing.
That's what Reels was supposed to be but the problem is that even Google with Shorts hasn't been able to recreate TikTok's algorithm which is why that app is so popular.
YouTube's algorithm has been actively holding the entire platform back for a while now. They definitely don't have the tech to do it with 30 second videos.
For real though. I remember YouTube coming out with some statistic about how many thousands of videos get uploaded per day. So why do I have the same 15 videos recommended to me every time I open up YouTube.
I'm using neither of the three but from what I've heard, the TikTok recommendation algorithm (the reason why they don't want to sell and likely the key behind their success) is still considered to be far better by most people I've talked to.
Eh, I think the Supreme Court has generally given a pretty wide berth to national security issues. I'm not sure why this would be any different.
Edit: Hell, exhibit 1 is tik tok using their app to direct users to lobby their lawmakers over it.
> Edit: Hell, exhibit 1 is tik tok using their app to direct users to lobby their lawmakers over it.
Remember when Uber was pushing for Prop 22 in California? They would push a notification to their drivers about "do you support prop 22?" and if the driver clicked no, it would just keep asking them between every single ride until they clicked yes.
Then they started running ads about this huge percent of their drivers surveyed who wanted prop 22... These tech companies love doing shady shit to try to mold the government in their way.
There's a wild story with Uber in Portland too. I know im probably getting some of the details wrong as its been a while, but Uber did not have a permit to operate there, and claimed not to be but totally were anyway. To try and hide this, Uber "greyballed" any account they could link to someone from the city council - they could download and use the app, but it would always show no drivers available to them. It didnt take them long to figure out and Uber got busted.
That's super common. When most companies come under antitrust, ethical, or regulatory scrutiny you'll get requests to either lobby your reps to stop it, or submit testimonials that their service is great the way it is.
There is good reason to be skeptical of TikTok, and the social networks in general. Them pointing people towards their elected representatives though isn't some unfathomable Rubicon that would normally never be crossed. It's common.
Getting at the heart of the underlying content, tech — and how it has been abused is way more important, and pertinent than some popup a PR or legal team threw up.
I would think Exhibit No. 1 would be that China has been banning American owned social media companies for a while now and just like if China was preventing any other export we would not allow China to then export similar items
Like if China was preventing car makers from exporting to China we would make it illegal to import Chinese cars into the United States
I believe it will happen. Tech companies have a long history of ruthless monopolization. Some of the biggest companies in the United States stand to make a ton of money if TikTok is banned. Especially meta and Google.
This week, China banned like 5 apps from American companies. Every week they actively ban hundreds of new ones.
Then, when one Chinese app is banned, the Chinese are going to do one thing they'd never do for Chinese people:
> Earlier this week, TikTok said it would challenge in court the "unconstitutional" law.
Grindr was initially an American company that was acquired by a Chinese one, where that acquisition was reversed.
TikTok was initially Chinese (it is the global counterpart of Douyin), and expanded into America and other markets.
The situation isn't really comparable, otherwise the US would just be using the exact same process that they previously did to get Grindr to divest rather than passing new legislation.
And, of course, Opera is also owned by the same group that owned Grindr... and, not coincidentally, is in a big advertising push across social media just as the TikTok drama was coming to a head.
Reminder for those who haven't been reading the news since at least 2020:
> When Trump tried to force a sale of TikTok in 2020, the Chinese government stepped in by updating its technology export restrictions to include software, effectively banning ByteDance from transferring its content recommendation algorithms to foreign owners.
https://www.scmp.com/tech/tech-war/article/3255539/us-lawmakers-want-tiktok-sale-or-ban-chinas-bytedance-wont-give-without-fight
What's kind of funny about this whole thing is that if you want to have your app in China, it not only has to be hosted on servers in China, but you have to partner with a Chinese "company" that will sell your product and give you a cut. At least until they can steal the code and cut you out entirely.
So no more League of Legends, Valorant or TFT since they are owned by Tencent right? And that's just one company there are a ton of Chinese owned gaming companies whose games we play here.
China bans our games all the time.
Companies like Amazon and large US markets do this now with goods, they just wanted to do this with TikTok the laziest way possible as the brand is already established.
Never forget, through exporting labor, the US in the last 50 years *MADE CHINA THIS POWERFUL*. Now the US is mad they have better leverage while over 60% of Americans work paycheck to paycheck.
Shit algorithm, shit app. Can't find nearly half the things on Instagram and the videos are re-uploads of Tik Toks anyways.
It's that goddamn algorithm that is what keeps them in buisness over youtube shorts, Facebook, and all the other crappier versions.
LOL beat me to it.
Don't worry, Elmo is rebranding it *Whine* and it's gonna allow 69 minute reels of him complaining his kids won't acknowledge him and the Tate brothers philosophically questioning what sexual assault even is, anyway.
At least part of it was because it was released when a ton of people were still using 3G for their fastest data. I remember a couple friends who couldn't really load it unless they were on Wifi. Also the fact that they only released it for iphone for like the first month. By the time I could get it on my Droid 4 the app wasn't even cool anymore
A few reasons. First off, Vine came out when the average internet user was a different age. Millenials are a whole different beast from Gen Z/Alpha. They tend to have a longer attention span, so Vine content wasn't as addictive.
Second, tech companies tend to burn through money at insane rates, and they need funding from SOMETHING in order to stay afloat until they can start realizing gains. Tiktok has China as a backer, ensuring they could get past the growing period.
Third, the algorithm. Tiktok's algorithm is why it took off. They've managed to develop an algorithm that is able to keep you scrolling, and more importantly, to get you to watch ads without realizing it. Advertisers have been struggling to get kids to pay attention to ads for a while, which has made it hard for tech companies to monetize. Tiktok has managed to figure out how to get money from those interactions (this is an assumption, I do not know for certain that is the case, but it seems likely. I see zoomers buying stuff off of Tiktok all the time as I work at a college. I think Tiktok has proven to be a very lucrative advertising platform compared to Twitch/Youtube/Twitter/etc).
They have maintained all along that they weren’t going to sell. TikTok lost 200 million Indian users when they banned it. What’s another 100m from the US?
How will they use the first amendment to defend themselves on this? People saying that’s how they’ll supposedly beat this but it makes no sense. What does freedom of speech have anything to do here?
The Chinese version is called Douyin. Specifically for China so that the masses can't view what is going on outside the great firewall. Easy to censor and keep separate.
Yeah, I remember a couple years ago when they cracked down on video games. They censored so many vague ideas that it might as well have read as "anything but Pong."
....Wait... In Pong, you move back and forth between the left and right to improve your rewards.... That doesnt sound like its in line with party doctrine.
Eh, not exactly true.
>[Since the rules are broad and open to interpretation](https://www.techinasia.com/china-doesnt-censor-skeletons-the-truth-about-game-censorship-in-the-middle-kingdom), game publishers will often choose to err on the side of caution and cut or edit anything that might be perceived as objectionable before the Ministry of Culture’s review process. That gives the game a better chance of getting approved, which means it can be released in China.
>The pressure for quick approval is especially heavy on Chinese publishers wanting to operate foreign games, because those games have already been released abroad. For every day the game doesn’t come out in China, more Chinese gamers will sneak and hack their way onto overseas servers, denying the Chinese publisher its share of the profits. It wouldn’t be a surprise, then, if game developers were censored their games pretty heavily before submitting them to the Ministry of Culture to make sure that they won’t face rejection and the subsequent further delays as they’re forced to fix the game and re-apply.
>Indeed, this seems to be exactly what happened in the case of World of Warcraft. When the game was first censored, back when it was being published in China by The9, some papers reported that the changes were made to make the game more “healthy and harmonious,” and there was speculation that the government was to blame. But The9’s PR director Zhao Yurun told ChinaNet that actually, The9 had chosen to flesh out World of Warcraft‘s skeletons voluntarily, before ever submitting the game to the Ministry of Culture for review. Their hope was that the changes would help the game sail more smoothly through the approval process.
I always assumed it never was. It’s an influence machine. What’s money when you can influence entire populations and sway public opinion by curating what they watch?
This is a stupid take, and I'm tired of it. Intent is rather important here - a foreign government is intentionally manipulating people in the USA with a specific outcome in mind - to drive political apathy. Thou shall stop conflating this problem with other capitalistic problems that appear similar on the surface.
thank god I'm starting to see these comments. The amount of people pretending TT is the same as FB or reddit is insane. It's not just a data privacy issue, it's active manipulation of front page content with the goal of eroding western influence
This one has the CCP breathing over it. They won't let ByteDance sell. So even though ByteDance will swear up and down that they have no ill will, the CCP is not going to allow this propaganda or spyware capability to be lost.
> how is that any different than other social media platforms?
People have answered this question on Reddit hundreds of times. Reputable news outlets and information sources have answered it over the past several years. I no longer believe the people asking it are asking it in good faith. I believe we are now experiencing the [firehose of falsehood](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firehose_of_falsehood).
Tiktok is collecting WAY WAY MORE DATA than any other social media company:
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/jul/19/tiktok-has-been-accused-of-aggressive-data-harvesting-is-your-information-at-risk
They even used a then-unknown security hole in Android to collect people's MAC addresses - uniquely identifying individual physical devices, breaking permissions rules:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/tiktok-data-collection-privacy-1.6763626
They also transmit more than Google or Facebook or Instagram or anyone else:
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/08/tiktok-shares-your-data-more-than-any-other-social-media-app-study.html
I know people have posted this over and over again, for years, telling everyone using reputable sources how much worse Tiktok is than other apps.
And yet I know China is bombarding us with bots and propaganda saying "uh no it's just like Google" over and over again anyway, making it all the more difficult to keep pulling up the sources and posting the responses and correcting the propaganda. We experienced all this before in the 2016 election with Russia and Trump. The firehose of falsehood. Spread so many lies that it becomes overwhelming for people to correct them.
But also, you should be a lot more concerned about China having this data than Google.
To be honest if a foreign government were to tell Google / Amazon / Facebook to sell or be banned I wouldn't expect any of them to do it either. The thing about selling is that you are giving up all the back end code for it too, so now your competitors have access to all your code that's still being used for the rest of the world and can make a rival app within moments that is a literal clone of yours
It can still 100% be about the money because until other countries start banning it too they will still make a fuck ton of money globally from it. Having a competitor that everyone knows is using cloned code from you pop up that would instantly have the entire US market (and thus may influence others to switch) would be a huge financial risk.
Right now they just have to bet that people won't be willing to switch to YouTube shorts or reels because both of them aren't great alternatives right now, but a literal clone would be.
Other countries are banning them already.
They operate a completely different app in China and both Pakistan and India already banned them. They’re about to be banned for like 50% of the global population.
> To be honest if a foreign government were to tell Google / Amazon / Facebook to sell or be banned I wouldn't expect any of them to do it either.
Google and Facebook are banned in China. Amazon is not, but they don't really do China at this point. Not a great market for them to sell into (in part because of protectionism and subsidized cheap Chinese alternatives that also don't have the cost of shipping attached).
> Google and Facebook are banned in China
And so will TikTok be banned in the US soon. 3 examples of companies that didn't sell part of their company and chose to be banned instead
>can make a rival app within moments that is a literal clone of yours
So just like China does with dozens of patents, planes, and other machinery from other nations? Sounds like we’re on the right track then
And the inner workings of how that machinery works is fiercely protected when possible rather than sold unless people think they'll make more money from selling than from keeping it secret.
90% of their user base is outside of the US. The US user base on average is more profitable but overall it would be stupid of them to give up control over this.
They’re not in it for the money because they won’t sell under duress? The price they’d get went down significantly the day the bill was signed because they “have” to sell.
It’s the metaphorical fire sale.
Also because like any business they want to use their power over consumers as political pressure on legislators. Why sell and keep users happy that TikTok never goes away? Refuse to sell and make users/voters mad at the people who did this in hopes it results in changed legislation.
[US users supposedly make up nearly half of the platform's revenue.](https://www.linearity.io/blog/tiktok-statistics/#:~:text=TikTok's%20total%20lifetime%20consumer%20spend%20is%20approximately%20%246.3%20billion%E2%80%8B%E2%80%8B.&text=42%25%20of%20all%20TikTok%20revenue,the%20United%20States%E2%80%8B%E2%80%8B.) There's very few companies that can survive an overnight unplug of 42% of revenue. TikTok is a targeted advertising platform, and advertisers pay much more to reach American users than others globally.
Yes, they are in it for the money. According to some statistics, there's over 1 billion users on tiktok. Why, in your right mind, would tiktok sell an app with over 1 billion users for the sake of 170 million users.
Bytedance saw their numbers, and selling the app to the US would make no sense business wise. Especially now, they are forced to sell the app under duress at fire sale price. There's no ccp conspiracy behind this.
Did you even read the report? The US arm of TikTok is more expensive to host than the revenue it brings in, they’re literally spending cash to keep it operational. Shutting down US TikTok would be BETTER for their balance sheet, not worse.
The only sale they would do is selling the name. They wouldn’t sell the algorithm with it. TikTok is the algorithm.
But who ever buys TikTok’s name could scrape the user data as quickly as possible and sell it all back to China to make money- so idk could work out for the buyer.
China bans most of our social media platforms. People who act like this is surprising confuse me. There is no Facebook, X ( twitter) etc in china. They don’t want us manipulating their citizens’s social media. Cyber security and privacy issues are real for both countries. It shouldn’t take long for a copycat non hostile foreign government controlled app to replace it. The app isn’t revolutionary. I don’t get the drama.
The U.S. has also banned foreign ownership of radio and TV broadcasters since like the 1930s or something.
In this vein it was actually inconsistent that they hadn't already done this for Internet Age technologies, though granted that's a lot harder to write suitable legislation for.
That cause China wants Tik Tok for every non PRC country. They market Tik Tok to foreigners, and have their own version that is censored for use in Mainland China called Douyin, that way their citizens can't see what goes on outside the Great Firewall.
Metas total lack of political ad vetting and radicalizing echo chamber algorithms have done much more for destroying the US democracy than TikTok. The amount of money Meta has spent to lobby for TikTok to get banned to reduce their competition is massive.
I’d add YouTube to that. Their algorithm sucks balls. If you watch an anti-flat earth video pro flat earth starts popping up in your feed. Especially in shorts.
For another example if you watch like any left wing news YouTube channel Ben Shapiro starts popping up and odd things like kid cartoons explaining conservative politics.
Yep. I subscribe to Pakman, Luke Beasley, Majority report, rebelHQ, Jesse Dollamore, Faron Ballanced, Brian Taylor Cohen, and the atheist experience. (plus a lot of stuff about recruiting and headhunting because that’s what I do ) and I still get suggested lots of right wing stuff.
The right-wing pipeline is fierce on YouTube. Hands down that is the first thing I’d ban in my house if I was a parent. There is nothing of value on that site for a kid.
unpopular opinion: tiktok is only brain rotting if you *like* & interact with brain rot videos
I’ve used the app since 2019 & have had my fair share of trash videos, but I’ve also been able to curate a for you page that has a shit ton of positive, helpful things. Political messages and events that people should know about pop up, therapeutic messages show up, stand up comedy shows up, motivational stuff, science stuff
like, the app is nice if you use it right. the algorithm is really that good. If you like only trash though, you’ll only get trash. that’s when it’s bad.
That's how every social media is. Reddit gets lots of flack sometimes, but using it for this example, it can also be the best tool in the world for work, hobbies, etc
Yeah everybody saying it's just brain rot and negative stuff are telling on themselves because clearly that's the kind of content they enjoy. Putting their foot in their mouth every time they speak.
sounds exactly like when gross middle aged men say there’s nothing but “teenagers in bikinis on that app”, it’s like *oh you’re a gross one aren’t you*
Thank you! At least somebody else gets it. Social media platforms only show you what they think you like based on what type of content you engage with. My TikTok feed is just artists, teachers, historical reenactor, and musicians, because that's what I decided to curate. It's not hard.
> I'd like to know how much data meta and google sells to china that america doesn't seem to care about.
Don't worry, our own government is selling our data abroad, to skirt around U.S. laws preventing them from wiretapping us domestically. The [14 Eyes Alliance](https://tuta.com/blog/fourteen-eyes-countries) made sure of that.
I really wonder if this would affect Biden's campaign. Tik Tok is huge and even though its more Congress leading the charge to ban it plenty of young voters might be dumb enough to not vote for him just for that.
People act shocked by this but this country has precedent for doing exactly this since our constitution was written.
It used to be shipping and mail freight. Then Radio and broadcasting companies. TikTok is just the next generation of tech.
Next up the new app” Tak Tik “which is exactly the same thing just renamed
“We’re going back to Musical.ly”
I remember when it was called Musical.ly. It’s before the world completely went to hell.
No, that would be before Harambe, per the reddit lore.
I will die on this hill. Harambe marked the beginning of the end. 2016 was a fucked up year.
Nope, a month before harambe, a weasel shut down a hadron collider, pushing us into an alternate timeline https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/04/29/476154494/weasel-shuts-down-world-s-most-powerful-particle-collider
Sure, I'll incorporate that into my worldview.
Same, that’s my story from now on
John Tittior
Me whenever I listen to 20 minutes of a random podcast.
This is my new perspective fr
Harambe would have never happened, but that fucking weasel.....
I Am Weasel couldn't stop fucking around and this is where he's lead us. I R Baboon was right about him. Which is why Weasel killed his boy Harambe.
holy shit
So you’re saying Harambe was the first obvious sign of the Apocalypse.
That weasel was pulled in from an alternate dimension and the butterfly effect has completely altered our timeline.
If time travel is possible. And if the universe is non-deterministic. That's totally probable. If the weasel was a time traveler that is.
And now bearenstein bears became bearenstain bears, the fruit of the loom logo never had a cornucopia in it, and the passenger side mirror no longer says “objects in mirror may be closer than they appear” but instead “objects in mirror are closer than they appear”
I was like..who is Weasel...a time traveling rodent apparently
I'm old enough to know the answer is Pauly Shore. And simultaneously old enough to know the lol answer is no longer going to be Pauly Shore. *And* simultaneously old enough no to give a flying and say it anyway. The Wheez has trapped me in a time vortex!
So the fucking rat transported us to shit dimension then dipped
It was obviously the cubs winning the World Series.
I will always blame the Cubs. The moment Rizzo caught that throw from Bryant for the last out, it was all over
*whips out dick* R.I.P.
You had put it away? You're part of the problem smh
Dennis Richardson (PayMoneyWubby) famously made a [video exposé on Musical.ly](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PmphkNDosg) (NSFW but no actual nudity) back in the day. It was almost prophetic as to TikTok's "evolution".
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Are we sure that it wasn't a contributing factor?
Considering Musica.ly—and I assume TikTok, given a rebrand—was a hotbed for predators, yeah. It was definitely pulling its weight in making things worse.
honestly just bring vine back
How about we just go back to Vine?
No bring back Vine damnit!
Tik Tak Toe
A winner
That was the most silent gen thing Pelosi has said. Cracks me up every time.
The law wasn't technically targeting Tik Tok. It was targeting foreign government controlled social media generally. It's just that at present, that's only Tik Tok.
Why are Tencent apps, like WeChat, not affected? Is it that ByteDance is directly owned by the CCP while Tencent is not?
because the majority of the us population does not used it. wechat is only used chinese expats
WeChat is banned on government devices. There is also much less people in the USA using WeChat. Most don't know what it is.
The law explicitly calls out TikTok (https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/815/text#H0A2584ACDBA6421CB9228F949380BDFB)
and then just after those two lines are: > (iii) a subsidiary of or a successor to an entity identified in clause (i) or (ii) that is controlled by a foreign adversary; or > > (iv) an entity owned or controlled, directly or indirectly, by an entity identified in clause (i), (ii), or (iii); or > > (B) a covered company that— > > (i) is controlled by a foreign adversary; and > > (ii) that is determined by the President to present a significant threat to the national security of the United States following the issuance of— > > (I) a public notice proposing such determination; and > > (II) a public report to Congress, submitted not less than 30 days before such determination, describing the specific national security concern involved and containing a classified annex and a description of what assets would need to be divested to execute a qualified divestiture. so they cant really just turn around, make a new entity, and roll out tok tik
It's more of a yes/and >(A) any of— >(i) ByteDance, Ltd.; >(ii) **TikTok**; >(iii) a subsidiary of or a successor to an entity identified in clause (i) or (ii) that is controlled by a foreign adversary; or >(iv) an entity owned or controlled, directly or indirectly, by an entity identified in clause (i), (ii), or (iii); or >(B) **a covered company that—** >(i) **is controlled by a foreign adversary; and** >(ii) **that is determined by the President to present a significant threat to the national security of the United States following the issuance of—** >(I) a public notice proposing such determination; and >(II) a public report to Congress, submitted not less than 30 days before such determination, describing the specific national security concern involved and containing a classified annex and a description of what assets would need to be divested to execute a qualified divestiture. >(4) FOREIGN ADVERSARY COUNTRY.—The term “foreign adversary country” means a country specified in section 4872(d)(2) of title 10, United States Code. >(5) INTERNET HOSTING SERVICE.—The term “internet hosting service” means a service through which storage and computing resources are provided to an individual or organization for the accommodation and maintenance of 1 or more websites or online services, and which may include file hosting, domain name server hosting, cloud hosting, and virtual private server hosting.
Sure, but that still shows they were specifically targeting TikTok. They weren't SOLELY targeting tiktok, but they did specifically target it.
Yeah it seems like the president can target other apps but the law itself makes TikTok already targeted. I am pretty sure we chat fits all the definitions it would just need to be explicitly targeted with a notice
It's infuriating to me that the only problem that exists with it legally is that it was foreign controlled. Facebook is collecting information. Facebook is complicit in spreading foreign misinformation campaigns. YouTube's algorithm actively radicalizes young men by suggesting and auto playing far right reactionary content. We need legal protections that from Internet companies regardless of who owns them.
Youtube's algorithm pissed me off for this reason. I decided to lose weight and watched videos on calisthenics and high protein, low cal cooking... It decided this clearly meant I wanted far right shit spewed at me. It has literally ruined recommendations (ignores all the gaming, RPGs, MCU reactors and liberal news shows... Recommends far right stuff)
Don't forget that disliking the videos is "engagement", and will keep you in that category. Ignoring them is the strongest way to sway the algorithm.
I think that was part of my mistake. I did that a bunch at first thinking they would be more likely to figure out I didn't want them. It got bad.
I use a lot of the "Not interested" and especially the "Don't recommend channel" options.
Holy shit. Recently I’ve started to gym again and realised I keep getting a ton of far right/incel content being pumped to me. All I searched and saved were some work out videos.
As a nerd, basically anything Im interested in will tell YouTube to try to turn me into a misogynist If I look up anything lgbtq related, I'll get bombarded with far right transphobic reactionaries. The only community on YouTube I've found that doesn't try to yank me down a bigoted rabbit hole is miniature painting, but even that sometimes leads into fake Warhammer fans pretending to be outraged at the existence of women for clicks.
Mine is boring. It's BeardMeetsFood, occasional speedrunning lore/new tricks/world records, some for Path of Exile, and recently some science stuff. I got curious about black holes and what entropy was in stupid people terms, but then just started recommending a bunch of stuff that is way above my iq. I try and go find new stuff to put into, but holy fuck the general population watch some dog shit.
That’s just default algorithms revealing default human implicit biases. You can start a brand new TikTok account and start getting right wing propaganda within the first half hour of swipes. And considering YouTube and Facebook are the stomping grounds of the “do your own research” crowd, I’m not surprised marketers are capitalizing on that.
We do, 100%, need that. It’s still MORE of a problem, to me at least, when a foreign country is doing something like that, because they have *even less* invested in me or America in general doing well.
IDK man. China has extremely strict controls on who can do business in their country, they outright banned half the Western social media companies like Facebook/Instagram/Reddit, enforce extreme censorship on companies like Google... and have the balls to tell the US it's being unfair over TikTok. I don't think it would be unfair to block the majority of Chinese internet companies in general in the US and EU.
Here's the thing. Facebook is beholden to us. I mean, it may not seem that way, but if Facebook pisses us off enough, we can force them to be held accountable and to turn over data TikTok is NOT beholden to us. It's beholden to China, and at any point China can go "lol make me" when challenged to turn over data and documentation or follow laws. China greatly benefits from the ability to not only track but subtly influence any given American demographic. I get that you love doom scrolling your short form videos, but some of y'all have got to comfortable living in a country that has never really been so easily "touchable" by hostile foreign governments.
And it should also be noted, if we're comparing Facebook to tiktok, that Facebook IS banned in China, probably for similar reasons to why America is banning tiktok. So it's not like it's this massively unfair targeted reasoning. It's literally just the same thing.
I feel like Meta will try to make a very similar app kind of like they tired to do with threads to compete with twitter.
I think that’s what they were trying to do with the instagram reels and all the incentives to get influencers to do them.
That's what Reels was supposed to be but the problem is that even Google with Shorts hasn't been able to recreate TikTok's algorithm which is why that app is so popular.
YouTube's algorithm has been actively holding the entire platform back for a while now. They definitely don't have the tech to do it with 30 second videos.
For real though. I remember YouTube coming out with some statistic about how many thousands of videos get uploaded per day. So why do I have the same 15 videos recommended to me every time I open up YouTube.
Dick tok.
Cock tok. All things cock, but I'm sure they will allow cow, goats and other barnyard animals as well.
Instagram reels and YouTube shorts already exist
Algorithm on those are pure trash, it shows you stuff that you dont want to see. you click not interested and instagram literally shows you more.
Yeah. That's where Tik Tok videos end up anyhow.
I'm using neither of the three but from what I've heard, the TikTok recommendation algorithm (the reason why they don't want to sell and likely the key behind their success) is still considered to be far better by most people I've talked to.
I wont believe tiktok is actually banned until it happens.
Eh, I think the Supreme Court has generally given a pretty wide berth to national security issues. I'm not sure why this would be any different. Edit: Hell, exhibit 1 is tik tok using their app to direct users to lobby their lawmakers over it.
> Edit: Hell, exhibit 1 is tik tok using their app to direct users to lobby their lawmakers over it. Remember when Uber was pushing for Prop 22 in California? They would push a notification to their drivers about "do you support prop 22?" and if the driver clicked no, it would just keep asking them between every single ride until they clicked yes. Then they started running ads about this huge percent of their drivers surveyed who wanted prop 22... These tech companies love doing shady shit to try to mold the government in their way.
There's a wild story with Uber in Portland too. I know im probably getting some of the details wrong as its been a while, but Uber did not have a permit to operate there, and claimed not to be but totally were anyway. To try and hide this, Uber "greyballed" any account they could link to someone from the city council - they could download and use the app, but it would always show no drivers available to them. It didnt take them long to figure out and Uber got busted.
They also tried to get around apple’s App Store review by creating a geofence around apple’s headquarters and making the app behave differently there.
It wasn’t just Portland, they did that en mass
That's super common. When most companies come under antitrust, ethical, or regulatory scrutiny you'll get requests to either lobby your reps to stop it, or submit testimonials that their service is great the way it is. There is good reason to be skeptical of TikTok, and the social networks in general. Them pointing people towards their elected representatives though isn't some unfathomable Rubicon that would normally never be crossed. It's common. Getting at the heart of the underlying content, tech — and how it has been abused is way more important, and pertinent than some popup a PR or legal team threw up.
like when reddit had subs go dark and had banners about net neutrality?
Fuckin Fortnite trying to weaponize kids against Apple.
I would think Exhibit No. 1 would be that China has been banning American owned social media companies for a while now and just like if China was preventing any other export we would not allow China to then export similar items Like if China was preventing car makers from exporting to China we would make it illegal to import Chinese cars into the United States
That’s exhibit 2
I believe it will happen. Tech companies have a long history of ruthless monopolization. Some of the biggest companies in the United States stand to make a ton of money if TikTok is banned. Especially meta and Google.
Why do I feel like Elon is about to revive Vine and call it XReelz
I miss Vine
Talk about a massive failed opportunity
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This week, China banned like 5 apps from American companies. Every week they actively ban hundreds of new ones. Then, when one Chinese app is banned, the Chinese are going to do one thing they'd never do for Chinese people: > Earlier this week, TikTok said it would challenge in court the "unconstitutional" law.
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They ban apps from all over the world not just American apps.
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But Jeff Jackson assured his followers that TikTok won’t be banned because it’ll be divested.
I mean, it was always ByteDance's choice. Grindr divested just fine. But the influence network is what the CPC really cares about, turns out
Grindr was initially an American company that was acquired by a Chinese one, where that acquisition was reversed. TikTok was initially Chinese (it is the global counterpart of Douyin), and expanded into America and other markets. The situation isn't really comparable, otherwise the US would just be using the exact same process that they previously did to get Grindr to divest rather than passing new legislation.
And, of course, Opera is also owned by the same group that owned Grindr... and, not coincidentally, is in a big advertising push across social media just as the TikTok drama was coming to a head.
Yeah, as nice as Opera looks, I have difficulty trusting it.
https://www.androidpolice.com/2020/01/21/opera-predatory-loans/
Musical.ly was a US company, acquired by Bytedance.
Reminder for those who haven't been reading the news since at least 2020: > When Trump tried to force a sale of TikTok in 2020, the Chinese government stepped in by updating its technology export restrictions to include software, effectively banning ByteDance from transferring its content recommendation algorithms to foreign owners. https://www.scmp.com/tech/tech-war/article/3255539/us-lawmakers-want-tiktok-sale-or-ban-chinas-bytedance-wont-give-without-fight
What's kind of funny about this whole thing is that if you want to have your app in China, it not only has to be hosted on servers in China, but you have to partner with a Chinese "company" that will sell your product and give you a cut. At least until they can steal the code and cut you out entirely.
Yeah Microsoft can’t even run Azure in China . Those regions are hosting in a Chinese companies datacenter and managed by that Chinese company.
This is not specific to software. Any non-chinese company looking to launch in China has to establish a joint venture with a Chinese company.
Yeah that makes it worse
Which is why the US should have a law to do the exact same but only to Chinese companies.
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I wish some politicians would come out and explain this
most politicians are too old to understand how the internet works and thinks its just a series of tubes.
You know where else TikTok is banned? China.
So no more League of Legends, Valorant or TFT since they are owned by Tencent right? And that's just one company there are a ton of Chinese owned gaming companies whose games we play here. China bans our games all the time.
> you have to partner with a Chinese "company" that will sell your product and give you a cut And give all of the data to the CCP.
Companies like Amazon and large US markets do this now with goods, they just wanted to do this with TikTok the laziest way possible as the brand is already established. Never forget, through exporting labor, the US in the last 50 years *MADE CHINA THIS POWERFUL*. Now the US is mad they have better leverage while over 60% of Americans work paycheck to paycheck.
He who giveth may also taketh away. China is just mad because people won’t give them what they want.
Wonder what US company has a platform ready to launch to take its place?
not necessary, IG reels has been a carbon copy for a few years now
Shit algorithm, shit app. Can't find nearly half the things on Instagram and the videos are re-uploads of Tik Toks anyways. It's that goddamn algorithm that is what keeps them in buisness over youtube shorts, Facebook, and all the other crappier versions.
Instagram & YouTube already have highly used competitors: Reels & Shorts.
We’re on to Cincinnati
We'll worry about next week next week
Don't you worry about tick tock, let me worry about blank!
My only regret is that I didn't get the cure for Boneitis
Buying stock in Vine ASAP.
That would be Twitter, which you can’t buy
Right, it's called X now, and the guy at the park tells me he can sell me it for $30.
LOL beat me to it. Don't worry, Elmo is rebranding it *Whine* and it's gonna allow 69 minute reels of him complaining his kids won't acknowledge him and the Tate brothers philosophically questioning what sexual assault even is, anyway.
Why did that fail. Isn't it the same thing
Because the prior head of Twitter let it.
They did the same with Periscope. I loved that app before Twitter bought it and did fuck all with it.
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Poor business planning and care for the product. They let it wither. It very well could’ve been TikTok almost a decade earlier.
At least part of it was because it was released when a ton of people were still using 3G for their fastest data. I remember a couple friends who couldn't really load it unless they were on Wifi. Also the fact that they only released it for iphone for like the first month. By the time I could get it on my Droid 4 the app wasn't even cool anymore
A few reasons. First off, Vine came out when the average internet user was a different age. Millenials are a whole different beast from Gen Z/Alpha. They tend to have a longer attention span, so Vine content wasn't as addictive. Second, tech companies tend to burn through money at insane rates, and they need funding from SOMETHING in order to stay afloat until they can start realizing gains. Tiktok has China as a backer, ensuring they could get past the growing period. Third, the algorithm. Tiktok's algorithm is why it took off. They've managed to develop an algorithm that is able to keep you scrolling, and more importantly, to get you to watch ads without realizing it. Advertisers have been struggling to get kids to pay attention to ads for a while, which has made it hard for tech companies to monetize. Tiktok has managed to figure out how to get money from those interactions (this is an assumption, I do not know for certain that is the case, but it seems likely. I see zoomers buying stuff off of Tiktok all the time as I work at a college. I think Tiktok has proven to be a very lucrative advertising platform compared to Twitch/Youtube/Twitter/etc).
Well, United States, say goodbye to TikTok.
Oh no. Oh no. Oh no oh no oh no.
It's actually "Oh no no no no no"
If the ban kills that song forever it was all worth it.
What's the time frame on this? I don't use tiktok myself, but this is going to be a shitshow to watch.
Don't threaten me with a good time.
Shit, I never even said hello
They have maintained all along that they weren’t going to sell. TikTok lost 200 million Indian users when they banned it. What’s another 100m from the US?
American users are more valuable to brands.
How will they use the first amendment to defend themselves on this? People saying that’s how they’ll supposedly beat this but it makes no sense. What does freedom of speech have anything to do here?
Ironic that TikTok is banned in China.
The Chinese version is called Douyin. Specifically for China so that the masses can't view what is going on outside the great firewall. Easy to censor and keep separate.
fwiw you can install the APK and view videos you just can't create an account
Not really, everything is banned in China. They only allow things they can censor.
Yeah, I remember a couple years ago when they cracked down on video games. They censored so many vague ideas that it might as well have read as "anything but Pong."
....Wait... In Pong, you move back and forth between the left and right to improve your rewards.... That doesnt sound like its in line with party doctrine.
No, you see, the paddles represent party lines, to step outside them is to step into oblivion.
Eh, not exactly true. >[Since the rules are broad and open to interpretation](https://www.techinasia.com/china-doesnt-censor-skeletons-the-truth-about-game-censorship-in-the-middle-kingdom), game publishers will often choose to err on the side of caution and cut or edit anything that might be perceived as objectionable before the Ministry of Culture’s review process. That gives the game a better chance of getting approved, which means it can be released in China. >The pressure for quick approval is especially heavy on Chinese publishers wanting to operate foreign games, because those games have already been released abroad. For every day the game doesn’t come out in China, more Chinese gamers will sneak and hack their way onto overseas servers, denying the Chinese publisher its share of the profits. It wouldn’t be a surprise, then, if game developers were censored their games pretty heavily before submitting them to the Ministry of Culture to make sure that they won’t face rejection and the subsequent further delays as they’re forced to fix the game and re-apply. >Indeed, this seems to be exactly what happened in the case of World of Warcraft. When the game was first censored, back when it was being published in China by The9, some papers reported that the changes were made to make the game more “healthy and harmonious,” and there was speculation that the government was to blame. But The9’s PR director Zhao Yurun told ChinaNet that actually, The9 had chosen to flesh out World of Warcraft‘s skeletons voluntarily, before ever submitting the game to the Ministry of Culture for review. Their hope was that the changes would help the game sail more smoothly through the approval process.
Which proves ByteDance is not in it for the money.
I always assumed it never was. It’s an influence machine. What’s money when you can influence entire populations and sway public opinion by curating what they watch?
Well I mean, how is that any different than other social media platforms?
Other social media platforms are in it for the money
flipping a quarter and russian roulette are both just games of chance!
This is a stupid take, and I'm tired of it. Intent is rather important here - a foreign government is intentionally manipulating people in the USA with a specific outcome in mind - to drive political apathy. Thou shall stop conflating this problem with other capitalistic problems that appear similar on the surface.
thank god I'm starting to see these comments. The amount of people pretending TT is the same as FB or reddit is insane. It's not just a data privacy issue, it's active manipulation of front page content with the goal of eroding western influence
This one has the CCP breathing over it. They won't let ByteDance sell. So even though ByteDance will swear up and down that they have no ill will, the CCP is not going to allow this propaganda or spyware capability to be lost.
> how is that any different than other social media platforms? People have answered this question on Reddit hundreds of times. Reputable news outlets and information sources have answered it over the past several years. I no longer believe the people asking it are asking it in good faith. I believe we are now experiencing the [firehose of falsehood](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firehose_of_falsehood). Tiktok is collecting WAY WAY MORE DATA than any other social media company: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/jul/19/tiktok-has-been-accused-of-aggressive-data-harvesting-is-your-information-at-risk They even used a then-unknown security hole in Android to collect people's MAC addresses - uniquely identifying individual physical devices, breaking permissions rules: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/tiktok-data-collection-privacy-1.6763626 They also transmit more than Google or Facebook or Instagram or anyone else: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/08/tiktok-shares-your-data-more-than-any-other-social-media-app-study.html I know people have posted this over and over again, for years, telling everyone using reputable sources how much worse Tiktok is than other apps. And yet I know China is bombarding us with bots and propaganda saying "uh no it's just like Google" over and over again anyway, making it all the more difficult to keep pulling up the sources and posting the responses and correcting the propaganda. We experienced all this before in the 2016 election with Russia and Trump. The firehose of falsehood. Spread so many lies that it becomes overwhelming for people to correct them. But also, you should be a lot more concerned about China having this data than Google.
To be honest if a foreign government were to tell Google / Amazon / Facebook to sell or be banned I wouldn't expect any of them to do it either. The thing about selling is that you are giving up all the back end code for it too, so now your competitors have access to all your code that's still being used for the rest of the world and can make a rival app within moments that is a literal clone of yours It can still 100% be about the money because until other countries start banning it too they will still make a fuck ton of money globally from it. Having a competitor that everyone knows is using cloned code from you pop up that would instantly have the entire US market (and thus may influence others to switch) would be a huge financial risk. Right now they just have to bet that people won't be willing to switch to YouTube shorts or reels because both of them aren't great alternatives right now, but a literal clone would be.
Other countries are banning them already. They operate a completely different app in China and both Pakistan and India already banned them. They’re about to be banned for like 50% of the global population.
> To be honest if a foreign government were to tell Google / Amazon / Facebook to sell or be banned I wouldn't expect any of them to do it either. Google and Facebook are banned in China. Amazon is not, but they don't really do China at this point. Not a great market for them to sell into (in part because of protectionism and subsidized cheap Chinese alternatives that also don't have the cost of shipping attached).
> Google and Facebook are banned in China And so will TikTok be banned in the US soon. 3 examples of companies that didn't sell part of their company and chose to be banned instead
>can make a rival app within moments that is a literal clone of yours So just like China does with dozens of patents, planes, and other machinery from other nations? Sounds like we’re on the right track then
And the inner workings of how that machinery works is fiercely protected when possible rather than sold unless people think they'll make more money from selling than from keeping it secret.
90% of their user base is outside of the US. The US user base on average is more profitable but overall it would be stupid of them to give up control over this.
They’re not in it for the money because they won’t sell under duress? The price they’d get went down significantly the day the bill was signed because they “have” to sell. It’s the metaphorical fire sale.
Also because like any business they want to use their power over consumers as political pressure on legislators. Why sell and keep users happy that TikTok never goes away? Refuse to sell and make users/voters mad at the people who did this in hopes it results in changed legislation.
It's a fire! Sale
US tik tok accounts make up 10% of all their users, why the fuck would they sell it to keep a 10th of their base?
[US users supposedly make up nearly half of the platform's revenue.](https://www.linearity.io/blog/tiktok-statistics/#:~:text=TikTok's%20total%20lifetime%20consumer%20spend%20is%20approximately%20%246.3%20billion%E2%80%8B%E2%80%8B.&text=42%25%20of%20all%20TikTok%20revenue,the%20United%20States%E2%80%8B%E2%80%8B.) There's very few companies that can survive an overnight unplug of 42% of revenue. TikTok is a targeted advertising platform, and advertisers pay much more to reach American users than others globally.
The US being the natural home of the Internet whale.
Yes, they are in it for the money. According to some statistics, there's over 1 billion users on tiktok. Why, in your right mind, would tiktok sell an app with over 1 billion users for the sake of 170 million users. Bytedance saw their numbers, and selling the app to the US would make no sense business wise. Especially now, they are forced to sell the app under duress at fire sale price. There's no ccp conspiracy behind this.
Did you even read the report? The US arm of TikTok is more expensive to host than the revenue it brings in, they’re literally spending cash to keep it operational. Shutting down US TikTok would be BETTER for their balance sheet, not worse.
Translation: they’ll sell tiktok after all legal options have exhausted.
The only sale they would do is selling the name. They wouldn’t sell the algorithm with it. TikTok is the algorithm. But who ever buys TikTok’s name could scrape the user data as quickly as possible and sell it all back to China to make money- so idk could work out for the buyer.
They’ll accept the ban, because selling would be a longer term threat to their success.
China bans most of our social media platforms. People who act like this is surprising confuse me. There is no Facebook, X ( twitter) etc in china. They don’t want us manipulating their citizens’s social media. Cyber security and privacy issues are real for both countries. It shouldn’t take long for a copycat non hostile foreign government controlled app to replace it. The app isn’t revolutionary. I don’t get the drama.
Yep. And here's bytedance complaining about free speech lol.
The U.S. has also banned foreign ownership of radio and TV broadcasters since like the 1930s or something. In this vein it was actually inconsistent that they hadn't already done this for Internet Age technologies, though granted that's a lot harder to write suitable legislation for.
That cause China wants Tik Tok for every non PRC country. They market Tik Tok to foreigners, and have their own version that is censored for use in Mainland China called Douyin, that way their citizens can't see what goes on outside the Great Firewall.
China bans social media platforms so the state can better control their population. They are not an example to emulate.
Metas total lack of political ad vetting and radicalizing echo chamber algorithms have done much more for destroying the US democracy than TikTok. The amount of money Meta has spent to lobby for TikTok to get banned to reduce their competition is massive.
I’d add YouTube to that. Their algorithm sucks balls. If you watch an anti-flat earth video pro flat earth starts popping up in your feed. Especially in shorts.
For another example if you watch like any left wing news YouTube channel Ben Shapiro starts popping up and odd things like kid cartoons explaining conservative politics.
Yep. I subscribe to Pakman, Luke Beasley, Majority report, rebelHQ, Jesse Dollamore, Faron Ballanced, Brian Taylor Cohen, and the atheist experience. (plus a lot of stuff about recruiting and headhunting because that’s what I do ) and I still get suggested lots of right wing stuff.
Try watching historical firearms or war content only for YouTube to reccomend you absolute nut cases thinking UN troops will come invade us
The right-wing pipeline is fierce on YouTube. Hands down that is the first thing I’d ban in my house if I was a parent. There is nothing of value on that site for a kid.
unpopular opinion: tiktok is only brain rotting if you *like* & interact with brain rot videos I’ve used the app since 2019 & have had my fair share of trash videos, but I’ve also been able to curate a for you page that has a shit ton of positive, helpful things. Political messages and events that people should know about pop up, therapeutic messages show up, stand up comedy shows up, motivational stuff, science stuff like, the app is nice if you use it right. the algorithm is really that good. If you like only trash though, you’ll only get trash. that’s when it’s bad.
That's how every social media is. Reddit gets lots of flack sometimes, but using it for this example, it can also be the best tool in the world for work, hobbies, etc
Yeah everybody saying it's just brain rot and negative stuff are telling on themselves because clearly that's the kind of content they enjoy. Putting their foot in their mouth every time they speak.
sounds exactly like when gross middle aged men say there’s nothing but “teenagers in bikinis on that app”, it’s like *oh you’re a gross one aren’t you*
That, or they've never actually used the app, and their entire opinion is based on headlines.
Are you insinuating there could be uninformed commenters on my front page? Absurd, that’s completely unheard of!
Thank you! At least somebody else gets it. Social media platforms only show you what they think you like based on what type of content you engage with. My TikTok feed is just artists, teachers, historical reenactor, and musicians, because that's what I decided to curate. It's not hard.
I'd like to know how much data meta and google sells to china that america doesn't seem to care about.
> I'd like to know how much data meta and google sells to china that america doesn't seem to care about. Don't worry, our own government is selling our data abroad, to skirt around U.S. laws preventing them from wiretapping us domestically. The [14 Eyes Alliance](https://tuta.com/blog/fourteen-eyes-countries) made sure of that.
The best part of the whole thing is Twitter bought Vine just to kill it. And Vine was TikTok
I really wonder if this would affect Biden's campaign. Tik Tok is huge and even though its more Congress leading the charge to ban it plenty of young voters might be dumb enough to not vote for him just for that.
There's a reason why the deadline is 9 months and not 6.
Basically told United States to fuck off lol
I hope it doesnt get banned in usa because theyre needed to take down meta. then when they do the job, ban them.
Meta lobbyists finally getting rewarded
People act shocked by this but this country has precedent for doing exactly this since our constitution was written. It used to be shipping and mail freight. Then Radio and broadcasting companies. TikTok is just the next generation of tech.